Please feel free to discuss this statement in this thread, however please also be aware of the forum rules, and our rules on discussion of warnings and bans.

Above all, lets keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks again.

Go cry more noob lol.
And **** yeah I'll give my stuff away :)
To all the nice people I know of course

And it would be his fault for not taking his meds as he was ordered by his physician. CRAZY PEOPLE ARE CRAZY how do we have anything to do with that?

I understand the statement not to discuss particular cases/bans/etc. However, given that many obviously don't find this announcement to be entirely clear, perhaps we can get some clear examples of what would be considered punishable offenses? I, and I'm sure everyone would agree that not every case can or will be cut and paste situations, that each case can not be planned for. However, just a few examples to help the readers better understand where your minds are at in addressing this would be cool.

I understand the statement not to discuss particular cases/bans/etc. However, given that many obviously don't find this announcement to be entirely clear, perhaps we can get some clear examples of what would be considered punishable offenses? I, and I'm sure everyone would agree that not every case can or will be cut and paste situations, that each case can not be planned for. However, just a few examples to help the readers better understand where your minds are at in addressing this would be cool.

so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?

I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=332182&p=380

post #7584

See this is the part with problems. How you FEEL about it doesn't matter. It plainly wasn't harassment (or torture, btw) based on all definitions.

You don't know that for sure, though, because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases, so they won't tell you either way. If you quit now, you're doing it without knowing for sure what CCP will do or have done.

Rather than argue the point with your relentlessly disingenuous and tasteless self, i would simply advise you that everything you post will be viewed in that post-meltdown light.
Maybe once you've goaded someone to end themselves, without that being the aim of course, just a bit of fun, maybe then you can comfort yourself with some version of victim blaming. Or maybe the guilt will eat you down to the bone.

Rather than argue the point with your relentlessly disingenuous and tasteless self, i would simply advise you that everything you post will be viewed in that post-meltdown light.
Maybe once you've goaded someone to end themselves, without that being the aim of course, just a bit of fun, maybe then you can comfort yourself with some version of victim blaming. Or maybe the guilt will eat you down to the bone.

And you might be absolutely right thing is it's always like that :)
I make games myself and while I'm not a supercorp I use every single input I can get to make people enjoy it.
I answer questions as they are asked. Clear, because it's simple and leaves no room for speculation and in this case we all kinda needed that. Scammers so they can go on hard on people and those noobs that will fall for it.
As of now it's exactly like it was before and only thing that will change is people will not post recorded **** back :)

Firstly, that thread is locked. The moderation has been done. Secondly, I don't think you understand the definition of a personal attack. That was merely a witty method of addressing your demonstrable mouth-frothing blood lust for Ero. Maybe if you consider it a personal attack it's because of that little voice inside your head called a 'guilty conscience'.

Just like ID Software feels horribly about how they are responsible for releasing Doom and causing columbine to happen.

I thought you wrote 'shots' instead of 'shocks' there for a second. And because of that, I did three shots of Johnny Blue Label. I really shouldn't be shooting Blue Label, it's too damn expensive for that. Excuse me while I get a proper glass for it.

Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team

Like i said: disingenuous and tasteless.

Aftershocks is a brand of shot-liquer here so thats doubly confusing lol

Go inject reading comprehension.

I believe, in all honesty, if everyone right now could sit down and have a drink together, and avoid getting into a punch up over who gets to take Riot Girl home, I reckon we'd all have a great time, Ero supporters, dissenters, and neutrals alike.

CCP: Define harassment. What are the core litmus tests for crossing twixt grey area, into 'harassment'?

Given the ambiguous nature of the term 'harassment', and the 380 page threadnaught where it was debated, what still remains to be heard in clear terms is how CCP defines harassment, ideally out of game.

Does it include *initiating* conversations with a victim, as opposed to 'accepting'?
Does it include some form of repetition, as opposed to single instance of asshattery?
Does the pursuit of ISK/Assets (vs pure abuse) lean away from harassment?
etc...

Sadly, your formal notation on 'harrassment' is so ambiguous that people can drive a truck through it, or more accurately simply not KNOW honestly when they are harassing someone (IN YOUR EYES) in the fricken sandbox.

p.s.
Did you miss that fricken 380 page threadnaught on Erotica1 entirely? Christ.

F

I don't see how not. On my stream you got to hear me and all the other agents be as genuine as we could possibly be.

Yes, if I was the catalyst that caused someone to kill people, I'd feel a bit guilty. But if that catalyst is causing the person to lose internet spaceship in a game that is literally about losing, killing, and taking internet spaceships, how is that my FAULT?

What about when someone kills themselves because they went AFK and their mission navy raven died in a mission? Whose fault is it then?

I always enjoy vexatious reporting. It reminds me of the dozens of vexatious threats of litigation I receive on a daily basis.

go back to having a "General Discussion".

No, I'm selling my toons to convert them to ISK, giving ISK to my friends so they can continue doing what they like and I quit.
It's actually that simple.

Sometimes in life you disagree with things and you can either choke it up or move. Nothing extraordinary here.
My point is sometimes you need to make a statement or set a rule that will be clear to all and in best interest of the whole community.
CCP goes vague again and that's where my road parts.
I don't have that MANY accounts but it's something and while I'm sure it won't make a difference to them it will to me. I stood to my principle and honestly whatever you do in life that's how you should go through it.
I'm here for quite a while now but I know this is just a game and never really looked at it in any other way. One of many out there. :)

Good luck to all and wish you all the best. :)

Good point. All I have is one of these little gag bottles of wine I got for valentines day. Bottoms up!



I'm so very scared right now.....

you know... most people tend to feel when it's starting to be funny no longer...

I bullied and got bullied in school and most of the time I knew quite well...