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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2895
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:24:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?
I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.
How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.
I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.
So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ? HTFU.
I don't see you telling Sokhar to "HTFU"? Why the hypocrisy, friend lucas? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1740
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:28:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?
I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.
How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.
I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.
So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?
Call the KGB imo. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
636
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:29:00 -
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Best read of nothing in a while. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4547
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:29:00 -
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DNSBLACK wrote:Zappity wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.
Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.
But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.
So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.
Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.
But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you. I support this position. Also well written
That IS well-written. The wording alone tells me I should stick to comic books.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4548
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:31:00 -
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I see the groveling sycophants are all here. Where is the psychotic? Did I miss his post, somehow?
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:32:00 -
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For those wanting an IN DEPTH look at the Bonus Room (I try to keep bias at a minimum, feel free to call me out) you can right here:
http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room |
fudface
ACME-INC
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:33:00 -
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Agata Matahari wrote:Cedric deBouilard wrote:so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?
I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech that's the riddle in the dark.
if ero posts then we have our answer. |
Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:34:00 -
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Lulz at ccps response/non response |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
322
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:35:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I see the groveling sycophants are all here. Where is the psychotic? Did I miss his post, somehow? Mr Epeen
I think he is out ot the sandbox. |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:38:00 -
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Thanks for the disclosure.
Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought. ------------ |
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
334
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:39:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more.
Many alts? I know he has a few accounts, and I personally know of 5 of his characters across three accounts (four characters which can be easily found with online research). Yet I have never seen Ero use alts to accomplish his goals. He admitted to using one to advertise his isk doubling, but the vast majority of the time he pulls other players as references. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:42:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Thanks for the disclosure. Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought.
What exactly do you mean?
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
168
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:43:00 -
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Danalee wrote:embrel wrote:Danalee wrote:
People in your position should be a lot more carefull in calling other players real-life scumbags for things they clearly don't understand... I feel.
D.
Ah yeah the righteous indignation of Kristalll, who I think to remember, admitted to running a channel called Kristallnacht... Don't speak in riddles man/woman! What do you mean? Do take care, I'm allmost feeling harassed. D. Edit: the united states holocaust museum would like to have a word with you by the way
I mean post 6105 in the epic thread. Apologies should I have misinterpreted that or the reasons why one would choose such a name. |
Xonus Calimar
CaeIum Incognitum
16
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:44:00 -
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Kinda sad I didn't finish reading the threadnought before posts started vanishing. Looking forward to finishing what is there though.
Glad to know that there are edges to the sandbox. Also glad that it takes a really long time to reach them. Everyone needs space to work their own content into the game, but there is a limit. |
Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:45:00 -
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Hey look, I'm making a serious comment!
Whilst the recording and the distress it displays is upsetting to a degree, at the same time I don't want to live in a virtual nanny state. I get enough of that IRL thanks, and I play this game to escape that.
I don't want anyone to have an IRL sad, short of punching the desk following my having dissected their hauler. I don't want anyone to turn off the PC at the end of the night and go to bed thinking about how stupid they've been either, short of learning from their mistakes and laughing at their ineptitude.
If EVE, or any other game, makes you angry, depressed or rageful, then it's time to stop and get help. You have issues. Simple as that. Switch it off and address the cause.
Eve is real? I'm afraid not, and if you think it is, you're putting far, far too much into it... and I'm betting there are areas of your life you should seriously look at closely, because I'm almost certain you're neglecting something, or someone.
I love you all, but I love your isk more x |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:47:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Thanks for the disclosure. Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought. What exactly do you mean?
I mean the entire scam is full pants-on-head ********. ------------ |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
4683
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:47:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?
I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.
How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.
I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.
So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?
In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2820
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?
I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.
How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.
I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.
So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ? HTFU. I don't see you telling Sokhar to "HTFU"? Why the hypocrisy, friend lucas? Well Sokhar should, and as far as I can see, has. And the point is not that Tyrant specifically should HTFU, it's more of a point that CCPs very own response to peoples upsets used to be HTFU.
Different people have different levels of tolerance, which lead them to cry at various levels. If you could convince me to cover myself in mayo, and do a video of me singing Britney Spears songs in a high pitched voice while you threw every insult in the sun at me, I'd still not come back crying about how I was a victim. Conversely, some people fly off the handle when you blow up a cruiser describing at length how you've ruined their life and should be burned at the stake for crimes so horrid. If CCP are to respond it needs to be with clearly defined boundaries. They can't tell some people to HTFU while protecting others with arbitrarily drawn distinctions.
Personally I think they should stand by their previous convictions and tell people to HTFU. If people can't figure out it's a game and want to put themselves into these positions, then that's their problem. Nobody I've seen has been threatened or forced into coopearting, they've all done it through choice, so they are not victims, they are morons, plain and simple. At any point they could have walked away but their own greed blinded their judgement. In this particular situation, the user chose to stay connected to a comms where people were insulting him and could easily have hit that little button marked "disconnect". So yes, I stand by my HTFU. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kristalll wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Thanks for the disclosure. Full pants-on-head ********. As I thought. What exactly do you mean? I mean the entire scam is full pants-on-head ********.
I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16948
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 -
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I would like to think there is a chance, that all this witch hunting melodrama will stop now.
I highly doubt it, looking at some of the posts from out great and wonderful Moralists. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
750
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:50:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.
Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.
But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.
So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.
Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.
But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you. Trebor, is freedom of speech inviolate or are you one of those that believes in 'hate speech'?
You see, for many of us we see freedoms like free speech and sandbox as absolute. Free speech laws were created to protect impolite speech, not polite speech. You cannot hamper freedom of speech with pansied 'hate speech' laws or equivocations that neuter it, without the cost of infringing on the base freedom itself.
Selfsame, who the frack are you to say how Erotica1 should play his game? I say his game, because the bonus round was very much IN GAME.
At it's core Sohkar willingly took part in a bonus round on Teamspeak (and hung in there) in the context of EvE meta gameplay, in pursuit of moar EvE assets (or their recovery). That is IN GAME Trebor.
He was not negotiating for frequent flyer miles, or losing his blob because he couldn't solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he lost his blob while metagaming for EvE ISK/assets! In game.
Now remember, you said 'douchebaggery in-game 'OK', and 'douchebaggery out-of-game NOT OK', but I insist Sohkar's bonus round was very much in game.
tldr; Let's cut to the chase, you don't *like* what Erotica1 did and like all liberal pansies before you who selfsame invented 'hate speech' laws to infringe on freedom of speech laws when your feelings got hurt, you would see the EvE sandbox continue to crumble over time with little nerfs here and there...
Well I reject that, I reject you, so will shoot another innocent carebear in the face (in game of course) in your honor. That is MY EvE. +1 added to the Kill-It-Forward queue, and may GOD have mercy on your soul.
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Would you like to know more? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2820
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:52:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more. Many alts? I know he has a few accounts, and I personally know of 5 of his characters across three accounts (four characters which can be easily found with online research). Yet I have never seen Ero use alts to accomplish his goals. He admitted to using one to advertise his isk doubling, but the vast majority of the time he pulls other players as references. Apparently we aren't allowed our own opinions so if we don't wants Erotica to be permabanned and die in a pit, then we must obviously be alts.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16948
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:53:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more. Many alts? I know he has a few accounts, and I personally know of 5 of his characters across three accounts (four characters which can be easily found with online research). Yet I have never seen Ero use alts to accomplish his goals. He admitted to using one to advertise his isk doubling, but the vast majority of the time he pulls other players as references. Apparently we aren't allowed our own opinions so if we don't wants Erotica to be permabanned and die in a pit, then we must obviously be alts. Confirming both Lucas and I, are alts of Ero. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
53
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:53:00 -
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So, anonymous conversations on Teamspeak are now considered 'real life?'
Is CCP now in the business of insuring that EVE players do not 'have an unpleasant experience' outside of EVE?
'Outside of EVE' does not equal 'real life'. Many seem confused by this.
Because 'an anonymous unpleasant experience' is all it was for the bonus room participant. At no point are the participant's true identities or whereabouts made public.
Yet CCP jumps to the "victim's" rescue anyway. Because having an unpleasant experience in Eve (or TS) might cause a few people to quit the game....
Welcome to the kindler, gentler, more sustainable and peanut-allergen-free EVE. Now, with 100% less 'cyberbullying'.
"Cyberbullying" - what idiocy. Would have hoped the people running EVE would be smart enough not to buy into rank nonsense pushed in trendy journals by aggrieved social scientists. |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
367
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:57:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.
Read it again. I disagree |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:57:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people. I absolutely acknowledge that it is genius that Erotica1 has managed to convince people to not only voluntarily surrender all their assets, but full API. That is an amazing achievement, and I applaud it.
But the Bonus Room? Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. ------------ |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3049
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:57:00 -
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Kinda mad I'm not enjoying my ban like everyone told me I would... Oh god. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16952
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. You must have much knowledge in this regard. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:59:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:So, anonymous conversations on Teamspeak are now considered 'real life?'
Is CCP now in the business of insuring that EVE players do not 'have an unpleasant experience' outside of EVE?
'Outside of EVE' does not equal 'real life'. Many seem confused by this.
Because 'an anonymous unpleasant experience' is all it was for the bonus room participant. At no point are the participant's true identities or whereabouts made public.
Yet CCP jumps to the "victim's" rescue anyway. Because having an unpleasant experience in Eve (or TS) might cause a few people to quit the game....
Welcome to the kindler, gentler, more sustainable and peanut-allergen-free EVE. Now, with 100% less 'cyberbullying'.
"Cyberbullying" - what idiocy. Would have hoped the people running EVE would be smart enough not to buy into rank nonsense pushed in trendy journals by aggrieved social scientists.
Technically CCP hasn't gone to the "victims" defense as that would assume the Bonus Room is harassment.
BTW: Full Disclosure article: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
46
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:00:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?
I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.
How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.
I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.
So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ? HTFU. I don't see you telling Sokhar to "HTFU"? Why the hypocrisy, friend lucas? Well Sokhar should, and as far as I can see, has. And the point is not that Tyrant specifically should HTFU, it's more of a point that CCPs very own response to peoples upsets used to be HTFU. Different people have different levels of tolerance, which lead them to cry at various levels. If you could convince me to cover myself in mayo, and do a video of me singing Britney Spears songs in a high pitched voice while you threw every insult in the sun at me, I'd still not come back crying about how I was a victim. Conversely, some people fly off the handle when you blow up a cruiser describing at length how you've ruined their life and should be burned at the stake for crimes so horrid. If CCP are to respond it needs to be with clearly defined boundaries. They can't tell some people to HTFU while protecting others with arbitrarily drawn distinctions. Personally I think they should stand by their previous convictions and tell people to HTFU. If people can't figure out it's a game and want to put themselves into these positions, then that's their problem. Nobody I've seen has been threatened or forced into coopearting, they've all done it through choice, so they are not victims, they are morons, plain and simple. At any point they could have walked away but their own greed blinded their judgement. In this particular situation, the user chose to stay connected to a comms where people were insulting him and could easily have hit that little button marked "disconnect". So yes, I stand by my HTFU.
This the last time I'll say this. Whatever medium people use there responsible for what they broadcast. What your saying equates to anyone has the right to outside or on Facebook insult people for hours on end or hound every post they make without repercussion ad the victims can walk away or block them. I dare you to try that |
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