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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3061
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:06:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple. Why should I? Everything is the same as before. Oh god. |
Salvos Rhoska
849
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:07:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public. And? Your point? ------------ |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
517
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:07:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:It wouldn't be about teaching CCP a lesson. It would be about cleaning up EVE and helping CCP do it.
How noble of you. I am sure CCP appreciates your offer to help and will be in touch very soon. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
372
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:08:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Kinis Deren wrote: If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.
Define: "Decency" in this context.
Whatever CCP says it is. |
Kaius Fero
12
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:09:00 -
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I think everybody misunderstood CCP. Scamming people out of game is totally legit and legal now! Personally I'm very happy with the response as I had the misconception that only "light" scams are allowed.. like selling a plex and also request another 2 plex. Now that I know there is no limit and we are allowed to scam people out of the game, I'm in with full steam. Starting tomorrow I will create a scam alt and do serious business.
This is glorious.. it will bring a lot of new people to the game. Personally I know a few dudes whom may be very interested in this "game" and they know few tricks. The only thing I will not do is the mayo game.. except is the victim is a female :P
Thanks CCP! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5525
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:10:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:It also means the author of the blog that started this whole mess going could also be banned for harassment, considering that no one's permission was asked and even the "victim" suffered because if it. This is ridiculous, and you should feel ridiculous for posting it. Except, of course, that the blog did more to harass the victim than the bonus room did. Perhaps you missed his public discussion of the issue? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
372
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:10:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple. Why should I?
Just in case you step over the CCP defined line - I thought that would be obvious tbh.
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mkint
1123
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:11:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:Dear CCP Falcon,
How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?
I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.
How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.
I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.
So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ? In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.
In other words, if someone gets murdered IRL because of in-game events, CCP not only condones, but squarely files it in the "someone else's problem" column. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
48
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 -
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... Why did we have to lock the old thread when the same arguments and trolling are in this thread? Now we will have 2 identical 450+ page threads of nonsense instead of 1 900 page thread of nonsense. The fact that we are already upto page 20 in this particular thread makes me think we are looking at threadzilla 2.
Just because its a different thread doesn't mean we aren't beating the hell out of the same dead horse.
As to all you people saying that your quitting? I call troll-bait >.> In 2 weeks you'll be back... You know you will. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4551
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:13:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:I guess If I have a question for CCP.
Where exactly is the line? The line is where they decide to draw it. Their game. Their rules. Remember how cranky all the noob gankers got when CCP refused to state a specific line? They are being smart here. If they declare a line, then some psychopath will figure out how to weasel around it. CCP is making the right call. Mr Epeen
I agree with the internet ***** on this.
For a lot of people, and that "certain" kind of player for whom if I use that "path" word they flock to rail against (doth protesting too much?) gaming around a given line of conduct IS there game and it would not matter if this was internet space ships, or cars, or even an MMO version of angry birds or something - they will find ways to greif and act coy about it trying to turn the blame on everybody else.
CCP leaving the line open and not clearly defined keeps that certain kind of player in check. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
53
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:15:00 -
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Long live the Bonus Room
KWAS is now recruiting!-á Incursion Running, L4 Missions, Orca boosts for mining, and small gang WH PvE/PvP |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:15:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
People please read the OP before you post... The key word here is existing . This means no change and for a good reason. Change was not needed.
RL harassment and scamming is already against the EULA. I think that's the way it should be. If someone harrasses a player based on some RL issue he has that person should be dealt with harshly. For example if you ridicule someone for being overweight and living in their mother's basement... This is a personal attack and totally unacceptable. Now if I say "You suck at ship fitting... Why would you put Light missile launchers on a Raven" this is an in game critique and should be acceptable.
What seems to be an issue is many people can't separate RL from "In game". If you're getting seriously upset over something that happened in game perhaps that person needs a break from video games to put things in perspective. Sure I'm upset when I lose a few billion ISK... That lasts for a few minutes and doesn't involve any tears on my part. More like "Crap that was really really dumb on my part". Not "OMG OMG OMG what is he doing... Wait don't do that... Why is this happening to me???"
Many of the posters asking for some change remind me of gun control supporters in the US. "Lets make new gun control laws so we can stop the killings". Of course no killer wants be charged with carrying a firearm because he might get 5 years in prison... Now those pesky murder charges where he could get the death penalty are no biggie though lol |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:15:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Riot Girl wrote:fudface wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this. from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in. +1 CCP looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with. Accounts are always suspended when they're under investigation so gg Ripar Teg for using your position to prevent another player from being able to play eve. I think there's something in the EULA about that too. His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
249
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:18:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Shizuken wrote:His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Who said anything about his position on the CSM? I was referring mainly to his blog and his influence over other players, though for a CSM member to be involved in such a spiteful personal campaign to try to get votes is just creepy.
Ohh please! Stop with the BS already. My boots are only so high.
Your contention here makes no sense. If you werent referring to his CSM status then he is still justified in speaking out on issues surrounding Eve. There is nothing wrong in bringing issues to light for open discussion.
I think your real gripe, which you cant really argue without looking weak, is that there are more people out there than you thought that find this type of behavior unacceptable, and that for once on these forums we have been louder and more convincing than people like you. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:19:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote: Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.
This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation!
If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:20:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I agree with the internet ***** on this.
For a lot of people, and that "certain" kind of player for whom if I use that "path" word they flock to rail against (doth protesting too much?) gaming around a given line of conduct IS there game and it would not matter if this was internet space ships, or cars, or even an MMO version of angry birds or something - they will find ways to greif and act coy about it trying to turn the blame on everybody else.
CCP leaving the line open and not clearly defined keeps that certain kind of player in check.
Except nobody knows what part of the Bonus Room was the issue (assuming Erotica WAS banned). There are lots of things VERY similar that don't differ in any meaningful way that are regular occurrences throughout New Eden.
I think if you listen to the Sohkar bonus recording in earnest, you'll discover what is wrong with the entire thing. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
331
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:20:00 -
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I feel cyberbullied by the constant back and forth in these threads. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:20:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: Erotica 1 reports that he cannot log into his account and believes himself to have been banned. He says he has had no communication with CCP explaining if its temporary or permanent. He also says
"I do regret that CCP did not provide me one iota of guidance as I repeatedly requested in forums regarding bonus rounds and the like. I have been handed a rather long rope (the sandbox) to metaphorically hang myself with. "
So, it may be that everyone is now safe from having someone talk them into giving them their Eve stuff and then making fun of them when they do it. Eve is saved.
BBB
You forgot that it's pretty much guaranteed CCP saw the Bonus Room article on Miner Bumping ages ago. |
Kaius Fero
12
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:21:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: Erotica 1 reports that he cannot log into his account and believes himself to have been banned. He says he has had no communication with CCP explaining if its temporary or permanent. He also says
"I do regret that CCP did not provide me one iota of guidance as I repeatedly requested in forums regarding bonus rounds and the like. I have been handed a rather long rope (the sandbox) to metaphorically hang myself with. "
So, it may be that everyone is now safe from having someone talk them into giving them their Eve stuff and then making fun of them when they do it. Eve is saved.
BBB That's a shame :( I was really looking to do a glory hole with him (no mayo tho)). Ero dude.. I feel ya :( |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4552
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:21:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I agree with the internet ***** on this.
For a lot of people, and that "certain" kind of player for whom if I use that "path" word they flock to rail against (doth protesting too much?) gaming around a given line of conduct IS there game and it would not matter if this was internet space ships, or cars, or even an MMO version of angry birds or something - they will find ways to greif and act coy about it trying to turn the blame on everybody else.
CCP leaving the line open and not clearly defined keeps that certain kind of player in check.
Except nobody knows what part of the Bonus Room was the issue (assuming Erotica WAS banned). There are lots of things VERY similar that don't differ in any meaningful way that are regular occurrences throughout New Eden.
Right but the property owners don't care. They have established what is acceptable and if an issue is raised they will judge the case given the existing evidence (the case) and the existing rules (the law).
Now I know the socipaths are going to be angry for a bit and I already see people saying they are going to petition every little thing.
Therefore let me offer my time and services to CCP in this thread in helping with petition reviews. I know that small minority is going to try to make themselves look like the entire player base with mouse clicks, so dumping their petitions may well be enjoyable knowing what kind of people are sending it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:22:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Shizuken wrote:His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Who said anything about his position on the CSM? I was referring mainly to his blog and his influence over other players, though for a CSM member to be involved in such a spiteful personal campaign to try to get votes is just creepy. Ohh please! Stop with the BS already. My boots are only so high. Your contention here makes no sense. If you werent referring to his CSM status then he is still justified in speaking out on issues surrounding Eve. There is nothing wrong in bringing issues to light for open discussion. I think your real gripe, which you cant really argue without looking weak, is that there are more people out there than you thought that find this type of behavior unacceptable, and that for once on these forums we have been louder and more convincing than people like you.
Let's be clear. Nobody really has an issue with Ripard bringing the issue more attention. What people have a problem with is the fact his post was nothing but sensationalism at it's grandest. He deliberately blows the entire thing out of proportion. |
Moja Hinken
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:23:00 -
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Kaius Fero wrote:I think everybody misunderstood CCP. Scamming people out of game is totally legit and legal now! Personally I'm very happy with the response as I had the misconception that only "light" scams are allowed.. like selling a plex and also request another 2 plex. Now that I know there is no limit and we are allowed to scam people out of the game, I'm in with full steam. Starting tomorrow I will create a scam alt and do serious business.
This is glorious.. it will bring a lot of new people to the game. Personally I know a few dudes whom may be very interested in this "game" and they know few tricks. The only thing I will not do is the mayo game.. except is the victim is a female :P
Thanks CCP!
Hell Yeah bro!! I wonder how twisted I can take this and get away with it. Now that I know there is no limits. What do you all think?? Could I get someone to kill thereself irl??? As long as I do it indirectly and stay in CCP rules I should be alright! When his family is crying at his grave I can point and laugh "Your son just got EVE'd". Gonna start today in jita recruiting likely mentally disturbed candidates for my pyschological abuse. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3137
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:23:00 -
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What the hell do you pods expect CCP to do? There's no way they could write a firm policy on this. The ONLY thing they can do is take these things on a case-by-case basis. It's just not as cut and dry and some of you think.
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Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:24:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Bayonnefrog wrote: Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.
This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation! If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room
And this is what the Ero 1 apologists fall back on if someone calls them on it. The fact is that Ripard described in detail and put into context what goes on in the Bonus Room, specifically the one with Sohkar in it, and how wrong it is. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
48
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:26:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote: Erotica 1 reports that he cannot log into his account and believes himself to have been banned. He says he has had no communication with CCP explaining if its temporary or permanent. He also says
"I do regret that CCP did not provide me one iota of guidance as I repeatedly requested in forums regarding bonus rounds and the like. I have been handed a rather long rope (the sandbox) to metaphorically hang myself with. "
So, it may be that everyone is now safe from having someone talk them into giving them their Eve stuff and then making fun of them when they do it. Eve is saved.
BBB You forgot that it's pretty much guaranteed CCP saw the Bonus Room article on Miner Bumping ages ago.
^^^^^^^^^ This^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Its the point I've been trying to make sense page 300 or so. Why now and not then? And I assume the other guys account is suspended as well? It would have to be because he broke rules too if CCP is now trying to police TS servers...
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
745
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:26:00 -
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Why is it so hard for many posters to separate RL from a game?
I'll be the first to admit I don't have much of a RL but I know the difference! |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:26:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Right but the property owners don't care. They have established what is acceptable and if an issue is raised they will judge the case given the existing evidence (the case) and the existing rules (the law).
Now I know the socipaths are going to be angry for a bit and I already see people saying they are going to petition every little thing.
Therefore let me offer my time and services to CCP in this thread in helping with petition reviews. I know that small minority is going to try to make themselves look like the entire player base with mouse clicks, so dumping their petitions may well be enjoyable knowing what kind of people are sending it.
Except they didn't establish was is acceptable. Because nobody knows what the issue was that made this unnacceptable.
And you're against an outspoken minority? Yet supported this? I think that's hypocrisy. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3065
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:27:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple. Why should I? Just in case you step over the CCP defined line - I thought that would be obvious tbh. I can take care of myself, thanks.
Oh god. |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:27:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Shizuken wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Shizuken wrote:His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Who said anything about his position on the CSM? I was referring mainly to his blog and his influence over other players, though for a CSM member to be involved in such a spiteful personal campaign to try to get votes is just creepy. Ohh please! Stop with the BS already. My boots are only so high. Your contention here makes no sense. If you werent referring to his CSM status then he is still justified in speaking out on issues surrounding Eve. There is nothing wrong in bringing issues to light for open discussion. I think your real gripe, which you cant really argue without looking weak, is that there are more people out there than you thought that find this type of behavior unacceptable, and that for once on these forums we have been louder and more convincing than people like you. Let's be clear. Nobody really has an issue with Ripard bringing the issue more attention. What people have a problem with is the fact his post was nothing but sensationalism at it's grandest. He deliberately blows the entire thing out of proportion.
How else do you want him to bring attention to it? What would you change about his post specifically? He accurately described exactly what goes on! |
Anslo
Scope Works
4610
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:28:00 -
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Posting back and forth on this will literally go no where. So, I got an idea;
How about a good old fashioned in game fleet vs fleet grudge match to work out the rage?
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