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Khan D'Amarr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:53:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Khan D'Amarr wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Malcanis wrote:
"I guess you have to draw the line at the point where the victim starts to lose emotional control, and that's a different place for everyone and every situation. And there has to be a willingness to recognize that line and honor it with humane behavior. I don't get a sense from Erotica's recording that there was any intent in ever doing that. Not one bit."
So Mittani should have been banned in this environment is what youre saying. Also; any time someone ganks a miner and the miner rages, they ganker will be banned? That meets that emotional requirement that this seems to need. That will change this game HUGELY if true He was banned in this environment. 3 months or so iirc So Telling someone to go off themselves is worth 3 months, While making a snide remark about someones speech impairment is worth a perma? Please tell me more about how thats even remotely fair... Kinda the point was looking at thank you
From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4558
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:55:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
So Erotic is just 3 months banned, not permabanned then?
Maybe.
Hang on to your little johnny for the next three months for the definitive answer.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
47
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:55:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Khan D'Amarr wrote:
Different situation entirely so I have no idea.
Ya, **** someone off, permaban, try to get them to kill themselves, 3 months. Seems legit
One time incident versus repeat offender. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2121
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:56:00 -
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What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.
Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5533
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Fair enough. Well spoken.
I"m absolutely sure some knuckleheads will try to cite this case after "losing emotional control" to get compensation for a gank or war dec (which will be unsuccessful of course).
I'm a bit concerned about people throwing a fit just to force a person to back away from a scam or prank... but hopefully that flexibility built into CCP's official stance will keep people from abusing it as a "you can't touch me" card.
Unsurprisingly, we also raised this issue. Let's just say that anyone attempting to use this ruling for metagaming is going to be very unsatisfied with the results. They'll probably complain about it for months in the forums of whatever MMO they go on to play next.
I think in many people heads they are suddenly hearing that awful noise the needle makes when you rip it across the record.
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Salvos Rhoska
852
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:59:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.
Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.
Yeah, I'm fully guilty of this. Been deliberately rationing my forum time now to ensure I get some gametime in too :D
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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:59:00 -
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Khan D'Amarr wrote:
From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.
Yet about 100 pages ago, I asked for someone to link that recording as proof... Oddly enough im still waiting for said links. Also Goons arent know for their trustworthiness either. When it comes to believing Ero, or someone from goons, its really a coin flip for me >.>
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2843
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:01:00 -
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Indeed. It's fairly safe to say that I've grown. Do I agree that people should harass, insult and bully other people? No, I most certainly do not. But CCP have made it 100% clear that people should HTFU. Now they pull a complete 180 on that, not to protect an individual, but to buckle to public pressure. The individual in question, Sohkar, even stated in no uncertain terms his position. To quote him directly:sokhar wrote:I dont think erotica 1 should be banned but just because of that i dont think what he did was 100% right but i choose to do what i did and i said what i said he didnt tell me to say it. Source
If CCP want to make a ruling outlawing behaviour like this, they have my full support, but they must CLEARLY define where they want their line drawn, and they shouldn't retroactively apply the rules. The should also reassure us that third party sourced information will need to be fully verified through their own sources, not just accepted as is.
Further to all of that, I'd point out to the public that both sides have the ability to end it at any point. The responsibility shouldn't fall on just one side.
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Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc.
279
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
The CSM has a unanimous position on this. CCP have fully satisfied us that they are acting according to the existing TOS & EULA and that erotica1 was fairly treated according to the existing rules.
Normally I would find this reassuring but in this case it was one of the CSM members who raised the lynch mob, long after the event in question occurred. It also appears from his comments that his initial approach to CCP was rebuffed and he took to his blog to raise public opinion to force CCP to take the action it did.
I'm pretty sure we didn't elect a CSM to represent themselves and their personal delicate feelings. And then to tell us, no, we can't say what was done or decided or any of the process.., but trust us.
For me, that day is over.
BBB
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Jebediah Phoenix
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:02:00 -
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So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance now? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14632
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Khan D'Amarr wrote:
From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.
Yet about 100 pages ago, I asked for someone to link that recording as proof... Oddly enough im still waiting for said links. Also Goons arent know for their trustworthiness either. When it comes to believing Ero, or someone from goons, its really a coin flip for me >.>
Mynnna is a sufficiently authoritative source for me.
If you're really concerned, get an alt into goonswarm and check. it's not that hard.
1 Kings 12:11
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Khan D'Amarr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.
Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking. Yeah, I'm fully guilty of this. Been deliberately rationing my forum time now to ensure I get some gametime in too :D
Read a lot of the thread, you were a trooper. You are the energizer bunny of the E1 scandal.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2121
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Minerbumping.com is saying E1 has been permabanned.
Maybe he could sing some songs and do a bit of reading to win back the right to play in the Bonus Room?
Assuming he has indeed been perma-banned.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
1103
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
The CSMs been a joke since the beginning lol the whole REASON for it in the first place was to go to Iceland and watchdog CCP so that another T20 couldnt happen. That was impossible to start with lol
I would never disagree with that. Ever. Make a thread about it and I'll join in. But this thread is about something else entirely. Mr Epeen I was extremely concerned to make sure that erotica1 got due process. You may recall that I took considerable heat for speaking up for his right to fair treatment. After considerable dialogue with CCP's community team (that was the 2 days when we all went quiet and were "doing nothing") I came away fully satisfied that CCP's intended action was fair, justified and within their previously stated rules.
Due process...more than a year after the offending act began. Well, CCP's judicial system is still swifter than Italy, I suppose.
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Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:So Telling someone to go off themselves is worth 3 months, While making a snide remark about someones speech impairment is worth a perma? Please tell me more about how thats even remotely fair...
That's all you thought was going on in the Bonus Room? This is way beyond sniping at ONE guy over a speech impediment. It's a course of conduct. A pattern of deliberating effing with people to the point that they melt down.
Edit: And to your point elsewhere in the thread about the non-existence of the episode where a victim (client??) was asked to dribble mayonnaise on himself: https://soundcloud.com/philip-smith-24/erotica-1-customer |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14638
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Jebediah Phoenix wrote:So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys.
No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far.
If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution.
1 Kings 12:11
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Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel
The G0dfathers
652
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:04:00 -
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SKINE DMZ wrote:Thanks CCP, of course we all disagree with actual real life harassment, however "harassment" on a virtual Teamspeak server... not so sure what to think of the people who let that happen to them.
Its not about ppl that let that happen to them its about the ppl that do it and take advantage, bully's and sociopaths, just because someone maybe be daft or unfortunate enough to let it happen doesn't mean someone should do it to them...
and what the f*** is a virtual TS server (in this context)????
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
813
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:05:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.
Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.
All the "meta" aspects of the game are more entertaining. EVE on its surface is a terribly uninteresting game. But when you have a collision of personas and narratives, and the meta game is being played in forums, news sites, comms what have you. Thats when the real beauty of EVE is on display.
This game is more about cultivating a persona and finding your place in the universe than it will ever be about shooting red crosses, or mining rocks...because frankly limiting yourself to just that you may as well play minecraft alone in your room.
EVEs beauty is the meta, not its gameplay. |
Kaius Fero
14
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jebediah Phoenix wrote:So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys. No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far. If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution.
You think is problem if I stalk you? Is all about love after all :( And your wife... :P |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
50
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Khan D'Amarr wrote:
From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.
Yet about 100 pages ago, I asked for someone to link that recording as proof... Oddly enough im still waiting for said links. Also Goons arent know for their trustworthiness either. When it comes to believing Ero, or someone from goons, its really a coin flip for me >.> Mynnna is a sufficiently authoritative source for me. If you're really concerned, get an alt into goonswarm and check. it's not that hard.
Sure, like no one has ever heard of the goon recruitment scam, You must think I'm an idiot don't you. Proof or GTFO |
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Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:07:00 -
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The OP is well and clearly stated. Other actions beyond that are not really my business; I have confidence that future situations will be dealt with appropriately, if not necessarily in accordance with my wishes.
I am going to go buy some PLEX right now, and further promise to buy pretty spaceship models as soon as CCP can produce them. A company with brains, heart and courage is welcome to my money. |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
200
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:07:00 -
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When I read this dev post, my first impression was that it is a denunciation of the bonus room activities. But it isn't. It's a strongly worded but generic condemnation of harassment.
To me it is very clear that Erotica1's shenanigans are harassment. But this is not so clear to other players. My personal opinion doesn't matter that much, but CCP's does. Sadly, the post is silent on that. The dev post therefore provides very little guidance, and does not address the issue at hand. |
Jebediah Phoenix
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
4
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jebediah Phoenix wrote:So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys. No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far. If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution.
How can asking someone to sing songs and read wikipedia pages ever be too far? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
355
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:08:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Khan D'Amarr wrote:
Different situation entirely so I have no idea.
Ya, **** someone off, permaban, try to get them to kill themselves, 3 months. Seems legit One time incident versus repeat offender. Public apology versus laughing it off.
Public pretending to care... If you bought that apology...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14638
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:08:00 -
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Kaius Fero wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jebediah Phoenix wrote:So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys. No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far. If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution. You think is problem if I stalk you? Is all about love after all :(
I trust you won't complain about the results. Looking through my bedroom window isn't widely considered an aesthetic treat.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
335
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:I dont get why scamming someone stupid enough to give you all their stuff is so bad -.-
You have to be stupid enough to give them all your stuff. Thats rule number one breaking right there. Move on lol CCP have no problem whatsover with scamming. They were extremely clear on this when we discussed the matter with them. Suicide ganking, piracy, awoxing, scamming. spying, propaganda, lying, 0.01ing and so on are all perfectly fine. I personally went to considerable trouble to make sure that my deep concerns on those activities were addressed, and CCP's answers were 100% on the money as far as I'm concerned.This. Is. Not. About. The. Scam. It's about what was happening after erotica1 & co already had all the mark's ISK, assets and even his API. Once they've got all his stuff, then what happened after that wasn't about being an evil character in game. It was just about being evil.
Malcanis wrote:I was extremely concerned to make sure that erotica1 got due process. You may recall that I took considerable heat for speaking up for his right to fair treatment.
After considerable dialogue with CCP's community team (that was the 2 days when we all went quiet and were "doing nothing") I came away fully satisfied that CCP's intended action was fair, justified and within their previously stated rules.
Thank you for your efforts in making sure Ero got a fair shot. Ripard's blog started a massive uproar and I'm sure put a lot of pressure on CCP. I have to admit, I am a little disturbed that this has been going on for nearly a year, but Ero has received no warnings on the subject prior to a (seemingly) permanent ban. Also once the ban went into effect, he received no communication about exactly what steps were being taken. I am not asking for any changes regarding the handling of this case, but CCP really needs to look at their communication process when handling rules violations in the future.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14638
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:09:00 -
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Jebediah Phoenix wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jebediah Phoenix wrote:So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?
Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys. No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far. If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution. How can asking someone to sing songs and read wikipedia pages ever be too far?
Contract me all your ISK and stuff and we'll find out together.
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Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
50
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:10:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Indeed. It's fairly safe to say that I've grown. Do I agree that people should harass, insult and bully other people? No, I most certainly do not. But CCP have made it 100% clear that people should HTFU. Now they pull a complete 180 on that, not to protect an individual, but to buckle to public pressure. GǪ
I think CCP are less concerned about "protecting" SohkarGÇöhow could they be? that story is overGÇöthan they are about preventing this happening again to anyone else. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
14638
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:11:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Thank you for your efforts in making sure Ero got a fair shot. Ripard's blog started a massive uproar and I'm sure put a lot of pressure on CCP. I have to admit, I am a little disturbed that this has been going on for nearly a year, but Ero has received no warnings on the subject prior to a (seemingly) permanent ban. Also once the ban went into effect, he received no communication about exactly what steps were being taken. I am not asking for any changes regarding the handling of this case, but CCP really needs to look at their communication process when handling rules violations in the future.
That's fair comment, and I will raise it with the GM team. If erotica1 had indeed petitioned to check if what he was doing was OK, then there are questions to answer.
I'll do it on Monday though, if that's OK with you. It has been a long week.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
1455
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:11:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Fair enough. Well spoken.
I"m absolutely sure some knuckleheads will try to cite this case after "losing emotional control" to get compensation for a gank or war dec (which will be unsuccessful of course).
I'm a bit concerned about people throwing a fit just to force a person to back away from a scam or prank... but hopefully that flexibility built into CCP's official stance will keep people from abusing it as a "you can't touch me" card.
Unsurprisingly, we also raised this issue. Let's just say that anyone attempting to use this ruling for metagaming is going to be very unsatisfied with the results. They'll probably complain about it for months in the forums of whatever MMO they go on to play next.
Okay, I'm confused. Allow me to ask a few questions, here.
And this is a playerbase issue, here, so I'd ask that you please show me just enough respect to give me concise answers and not blow-off excuses (not that I think you would, I'm just saying). Bear in mind I am not on anyone in particular's side, on this.
Obviously, I am against actual harassment. I just don't see where the Bonus Room antics would qualify.
1. Once again, how is a willing participant being "harassed"? It's not like the guy was a child or mentally challenged. He should have known, full-well, what he was doing to himself, and that he could have quit at any time. Where are we drawing the line, here? Because this seems an awful lot like WoW-Style guiding-player-along-by-the-hand.
2. In general, where are we drawing the line, here? You say anyone attempting to use this ruling as a basis for a "can't touch me" card metagame is not going to like the results, but what happens when a white-knight GM, or just one that simply doesn't understand what is and is not harassment, gets hold of a support ticket from some angry carebear who just wants to mine or mission in lowsec without consequences, and bans the combat pilot for simply doing what he has always known he was allowed to do?
3. Are you taking a firm stance against any and all "slippery slopes", here? You're going to see a LOT of loyal players unsub if ganking ever becomes a bannable offense. Remember.... highsec carebears don't stay around too long. It's the well-rounded folks who really pay CCP's bills.
4. If action was, indeed, taken against Erotica 1, what will become of Sokhar? That diatribe he spewed was pretty vile. In my opinion, it shows his true colors. Do we really need to defend players like him? If E1 was perma'd, Sokhar should be, as well.
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