How do you know that CCP didn't want to ban Erotica? How does the banning of Erotica kill the sandbox?

What I find most vile in all of this is Ripard Tegs underhanded approach to it all.

If you don't like Erotica1 and what she did, fair enough. But to abuse his privileged position to push for an individual user to be banned, and then to write a highly inflammatory piece - one which resorts to hysterics and evocations of literal torture - and spreading it around news media when CCP didn't agree with him... that's just revolting on so many levels.

ban ripard teg

There is only on thing worse than someone doing something wrong, and that is someone else exposing the dirty deed to a wider public.

Hmm, think again gun person.

Probably the latter because I practice psychiatry...

Personally I am thankful Ripard brought attention to this situation. It's not like many people read the miner bumping site with any regularity outside of their own little clique.

You also just posted in a way you supposedly find revolting.

Inflammatory and Hysterical. CHECK.
Pushing for an individual to be banned. CHECK.

Just saying.

That is not responsible journalism

I don't believe he is a journalist. Merely a blogger stating an opinion.

That more people agree with his stance, than disagree, surely would point to the fact that your opinion is in the minority.

Whilst that is hard to take, nothing has changed. The number of people going as far as Erotica1 is so tiny that the sandbox is stilll intact.

You might not like it. That doesn't mean that CCP's decision was wrong or that your game has been harmed.

Why I am I still here an posting if I have quit playing? I am waiting for a final response from CCP regarding a refund of my 6 months of subscriptions (2 toons, 3 months each) that I paid for in advance.

My post is not inflammatory and hysterical, the language Ripard used and his goal are a statement of fact - they're there on his own blog post. The "ban him" comment is hypocritical, but a comment by me in a forum isn't comparable to someone in a privileged position taking that request directly to CCP, and then taking it to the wider news media to pressure an action.

I also wouldn't call ripard teg "evil", or call him a "torturer" or anything else, because that's insane and sensationalist. I find what he did incredibly distasteful, and he has a history of doing it - last year he called up mental imagery of **** to try and push an agenda regarding ganking industrial ships. It's rather gross if you ask me.

I also think it is counterproductive to his own goals, as it's hard to have a reasonable discussion about an issue when people start throwing around that kind of language. We can discuss if an issue should be allowable or not without screaming that the other side are literally evil monsters destroying human lives. Or at least I thought we could... our esteemed CSM member seems to disagree

Handful of Bonus Room associates who accused there was a witch-hunt on Erotica1, now trying to incite a witch-hunt on Ripard Teg

Fair enough, his job isn't that of a professional journalist, but I'd expect more than sensationalist, irresponsible ranting and raving from someone who is supposed to understand and represent the community to CCP, and to a lesser degree represent the game and ccp as a whole.

You should open a petition about this, posting on the forums will not help you in any way. If you need help with filing a petition, don't hesitate to evemail me.

Ripard Teg did not merely "expose" a wrong. If he had responsibly reported the issue, and wanted to open a discussion, that would be great. But he opened his piece with literally stating that another player was pure evil, and followed up with literally calling him a torturer, and ended by pleading for the immediate removal of the individual.

That is not responsible journalism, that is not exposing a wrong, that is highly biased, sensationalist dreck. It's clear from the get go that his agenda is to get Erotica1 banned, and that he is willing to use any tactics possible - even horrific ones such as trivialising torture - to accompish it.

Ripard Teg did not merely "expose" a wrong. If he had responsibly reported the issue, and wanted to open a discussion, that would be great. But he opened his piece with literally stating that another player was pure evil, and followed up with literally calling him a torturer, and ended by pleading for the immediate removal of the individual.

That is not responsible journalism, that is not exposing a wrong, that is highly biased, sensationalist dreck. It's clear from the get go that his agenda is to get Erotica1 banned, and that he is willing to use any tactics possible - even horrific ones such as trivialising torture - to accompish it.

...but I'd expect more than sensationalist, irresponsible ranting and raving from someone who is supposed to understand and represent the community to CCP...

...That more people agree with him than not is a fallacy...

Whelp, I asked you a question.

What's the alternative explanation?

Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.

What I find most vile in all of this is Ripard Tegs underhanded approach to it all.

If you don't like Erotica1 and what she did, fair enough. But to abuse his privileged position to push for an individual user to be banned, and then to write a highly inflammatory piece - one which resorts to hysterics and evocations of literal torture - and spreading it around news media when CCP didn't agree with him... that's just revolting on so many levels.

ban ripard teg

Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.

Dorn I think everyone realizes you do not agree with how this situation was handled by now.

But if you prefer post it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I am sure it will change everything.

but in this case it was done in the name of EVE saying it was part of the game. Thus CCP as any good comopany trying to protect its integrity and reputation looked at it, and their evaluation was "this is too far and could damage us, bring EVE and CCP into potential disrepute" and so they dealt with it.

If all this bonus bullshit was done entirely inside EVE, no recordings made public and done as a true in game in character scam do you think this conversation would be happening.

Some sicko's couldn't understand where the game ends and thus stepped opver the mark and got bitchslapped by the "owners" of the sandbox. Now their sycophant followers can't hack this and are feeding us all their tears.

You can play at whatever floats your boat in this sandbox, but you take it somewhere that CCP doesn't like and do so in the name of the game when what you are doing is nothing to do with the game and everything to do with publically humiliating the actual person driving the character rather than the character then you will get squeezed.

The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies

I think its funny to see all these carebears going on about harvesting tears.

Just goes to show you it was never about keeping the community clean and all about "winning" an internet fight against the boogyman.

By the way, it's all well and good for you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.

OK, so what if a non-eve player takes EVE players into TS rooms and harasses them? Or joins in on EVE players in public TS chatroom and harasses them? Are CCP going to step in there? No.

What about if (or in the hundreds of occasions this has happened in the past) an EVE player on a third party blog or forum throws personal attacks at another EVE player, are they going to step in? No.
What about if someone were to harass another EVE player on twitter? No, they wouldn't.

The fact is they've stated on many occasions that they do not deal with third party services. Read Remiels blog, and you'll see pretty damn clearly what their response is. So if they are doing so now, their rules have changed, so where is the new line. What is and isn't considered third party to EVE?

By the way, it's all well and good for you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.

you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.

People still think the bonus room is a bad thing? No one forces anyone to go into the bonus room. The only thing keeping a "victim" there is desperation over virtual assets. The same "duress" could be asserted on a ransom victim caught in a gank or gatecamp where their virtual property is in danger, and they are relatively powerless in the situation.