The game is not made by people who actually play it themselves, this is yet another example of this. Anyone who ACTUALLY plays, beyond afk mining in a mackinaw, would instantly realise this is no good.

Information was hard to discover in-game ("Targeting? 20.0 points? What the ****?") and some displays of information were unhelpful.

It was hard to tell what ship class you were fighting if you didn't have all of the name -> class mappings memorised (this, memorably, lead to me killing a blackbird in a catalyst because I thought blackbirds were frigates).

"This is the worst feature since ______" is unhelpful feedback; "This is interfering with my ability to do ________, __________, and ________ because I'm trying to x and instead y happens" is useful stuff that CCP can use to actually improve the feature (or kill it, as they have with loot scatter!). If you're interested in a better game for yourself, I'd suggest using the latter language, or at least pretending you're talking to a real person standing in front of you when drafting your post.

The game is not made by people who actually play it themselves, this is yet another example of this. Anyone who ACTUALLY plays, beyond afk mining in a mackinaw, would instantly realise this is no good.

OK, tooltips and NPE... ALL good stuff!! And for me, after hearing definitively from CCP Seagull that Solo, casual and small gang players are important and WILL be included in the new vision for EVE... this is just one more improvement I can get behind.

I do have a question though (and no I have not checked out the patch yet...) but... for those who don't 'need' em... can the tooltips be disabled? I know very well what my mods do and actually having them pop up ALL the time is a little frustrating. Please consider having this (as many things should) be a choice, not a necessity.

Other than that THANX!!

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Hi,

The team is keeping a close eye on this thread (and the others preceding the dev blog), plus other sources of feedback, and we have some work in progress to adjust some aspects and deal with several cases where the new tooltip format is causing problems.

Specifically, we've been looking initially at:

• 'Mouse-over on icon column in overview'-only as trigger for new tooltip (this actually would also free us to have different tooltips for specific overview columns if there are cases where that is a benefit in general).


• Some defects with bracket tooltips (including large numbers of brackets breaking tooltips).


• Opacity of bracket tooltip listing.


• Bracket tooltip to not trigger in the case of singleton brackets (this should very much help with the scatter loot as well as other cases).


• Structures with timers and status information (offline, anchoring, etc) showing in the list-form tooltip for brackets.


• Some starmap tooltip defects.

That's not an exhaustive list and we've noted the comments about timing issues, among others, but certainly timing is a tricky balance.

Also, we're not going to ignore the points controlling display of tooltips, to the contrary, but we do think this is something that bears thinking about carefully.

We'll keep taking in all the feedback and use it in our ongoing design work. A major focus of this team is on improving new player experience by generally raising the level of the all-round player experience. We know this approach is going to require our close attention to feedback and significant iterative work.

Here's a video of me highlighting and replication steps of some the issues I've been having with the new tooltip stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emBHRNzMI9E&feature=youtu.be

almost no lense flare / dubstep just my **** voice
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edit: also it looks like the map hasn't been updated with this new tooltip system so u can see pretty clearly http://puu.sh/8LlJs.png how it would have worked before

My problem is that the tooltips on the mini-containers from Data and Relic sites are *MUCH* slower than the old name popups - making it much much more difficult to find and click on the mini-containers that you need to retrieve. MUCH slower.

This is a disaster - where can I turn this crap off.

Try doing a data or relic site. The stupid tips obliterate the ability to get to tightly packed groups of cans.

FFS do you do any bloody testing, I would get fired at work for letting this through.

We know this approach is going to require our close attention to feedback and significant iterative work.

Redundant info 1
Thanks CCP, I didn't know those were tracking speed scripts and I didn't know how many I had.

Redundant info 2
This should really say "overview options". I know what my active overview configuration is, it's already listed like 15 pixels down and to the right.

Redundant info 3
The rest of the tooltip is nice, but it doesn't need to be titled. Again, this info is already shown.

Redundant info 4
This I kind of understand given how you've redone bracket tooltips, but you should really avoid showing this if it's just one bracket being shown.

Redundant info 5
Again, you don't need the title. The rest is fine.

This is not a pilot.

There is only one Sun. This is a star.

This module doesn't even have a fitting window tooltip.
(Energized Armor Layering Membrane II)

And finally, the solar system map, the most atrocious part of this entire mess:
WTF?
Seriously, WTF?


Also:
I know what minimize and close are. Everyone who has ever used a computer in the past 20 years knows what these are. They do not need tooltips.

The tooltips in space are awful, slow, and when you stack many items together the tooltip blocks out a significant portion of the screen entirely. The previous tooltips are far superior.

You're supposed to bring a small gang to data sites so you can catch all the phat lewt contained therein.

My suggestion: Make the new UI standard for new players. Give an option in setting called "Simplified Tool Tips" that returns the UI back to the original tool tip format.

You're supposed to bring a small gang to data sites so you can catch all the phat lewt contained therein.

I vote for a button to disable the tooltips.

Some great stuff here but the tooltips need a rapid iteration.

It made me think immediately of the changes that are coming to the audio features.

slider at 0 = tooltips off
slider at 1-99 = everything in between
slider at 100 = tooltips as instant as possible

Could be as coarse as

Neocom
Brackets
Overview
Modules
Menus/Context Items

Pretty much the only way it makes sense to me.

Saying "constructive criticism only" is saying "here's what you get, like it or not, so tell us how to make it better."

Yeah, no thanks. So here's my destructive criticism: get rid of it. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but I'm not obligated to praise a turd.