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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1443
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:13:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Some great stuff here but the tooltips need a rapid iteration. It made me think immediately of the changes that are coming to the audio features. slider at 0 = tooltips off slider at 1-99 = everything in between slider at 100 = tooltips as instant as possible Could be as coarse as Neocom Brackets Overview Modules Menus/Context Items Pretty much the only way it makes sense to me. This cannot be emphasized enough.
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ViRtUoZone
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:14:00 -
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Been playing this game for 5 years now. Can you please let me shut this completely useless redundancy off? I don't mind that it exists but I do mind that I have to deal with it. |
Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
83
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:15:00 -
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I can no longer deal with the pop up tool tips thing. I had to dock up until this is resolved. It's not because it's new. It's because it is more hindering then helpful. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1443
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:19:00 -
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Harrigan VonStudly wrote:I can no longer deal with the pop up tool tips thing. I had to dock up until this is resolved. It's not because it's new. It's because it is more hindering then helpful. Likewise. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
468
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:25:00 -
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Quintessen wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yes, just like in Windows, Chrome, IE, Firefox, etc. Telling you what a symbol means is a good way to teach people what that symbol means. And everyone will have learned that info on the very first day they used a computer. |
Josie solo
Singular Motives
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:25:00 -
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Can you please implement a way to turn off or customize which tool tips are shown? There is not only a lot of redundant information being displayed but the worst part is, as has already been mentioned by others, these tool tips interfere with game play and the interaction of the UI.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
83
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:26:00 -
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Another bug I just noticed.
It doesn't matter if your ship is moving or not. I am stopped in space right now. Yes, I had to keep poking these changes with a stick. There is an ever so slight "wobbling" effect to everything in space. When I hover over a cluster of brackets this new tooltip window pops up but it does not freeze the brackets in space like the old way did. This causes the grouping of brackets to "wobble" off your mouse pointer and close the tooltip window. Previously when hovering over the cluster of brackets they would individually align themselves not in windowed form and lock in place until you removed your mouse from hovering over them. This is very annoying. |
Jinn Aideron
33
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:28:00 -
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A lot of good things in there. Clean-ups, making it concise, informative, menus navigable. Good job!
Please persist and take it all the way to customizable; radial menu and new notification customization being your guiding stars. We know it's hard sometimes, but these long hauls are appreciated and may well make or break reception of a feature. As you know.
Cheers.
Because of stealth deletes, I desist help testing, engage in features & ideas, forums as a whole for the most part. |
SynZen
SYN OF ONE
1
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:29:00 -
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Can you please add Current Resistance % to the Shield, Armour and Hull tool tip that tells you the amount of each you have left?
Thank you |
Longdrinks
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
54
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:30:00 -
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CCP Delegate Zero wrote:Also, we're not going to ignore the points controlling display of tooltips, to the contrary, but we do think this is something that bears thinking about carefully.
A on off button for different parts of the ui shouldnt be that hard no? Just include a warning box that you are cutting yourself of from "valuable" information, and you can have a good concience in case a newbie turn this off prematurely and has to figure it out by themselves like the rest of us have managed to do. |
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
320
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:33:00 -
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How this was released into the wild without a disable option is puzzling. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:36:00 -
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The tooltips are a bit too big and bland. They take up too much of my screen, and also I find the information contained within to be displayed in a rather bland fashion which is not as easy to assimilate as the previous tooltips where.
Gah, just undocked. These tooltips are an abomination. Sorry CCP, I know you probably spent a long time on them, but they are awful. At least making them transparent would go a long way to helping. |
TheLostPenguin
Surreal Departure
69
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:36:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:TheLostPenguin wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I trust you get my point however, unless you are suggesting that EVE work in the same fashion with warnings, special hidden pages, and innumerable ways to make sure you game doesn't function correctly available to the average user.
The overview settings screen somewhat fits that description, many people struggle to find it until pointed there, and it offers a fair variety of ways to screw your experience up with zero feedback about what things do/affect until you learn how it works, hope you aren't suggesting we nuke that too due to its complexity/potential for disaster. Other games have an 'Advanced options: here be dragons' page in their settings menus that allow significant customisation to take place, other than CCP not wanting to give us the option there is no real reason EVE couldn't have something similar. Actually, the overview settings page is pretty high on my list for things that (desperately need a rework). It can be confusing even to bittervets, and can easily get borked if you try to quickly make a few adjustments. That whole system is by necessity pretty complicated, but it would be nice if it could be made easier to deal with.
I agree the ov settings are both complex (through necessity) and in need of attention to clarify things.. We also need complex general ui options, we have some great functionality, but after 11 years still lack a fair bit of incredibly basic functionality, for seemingly no good reason than "We don't want to give it to you". Unfortunately when this is the quality of 'improvement' we get (also remember the oh-so-great inventory changes, now reasonably usable and only sometimes annoying as hell, after 3 iterations), I can only hope nobody ever touches the overview settings, and also the long-threatened 'improvements' to drone ui somehow gets lost in a volcano and never touches tq.
Overall the biggest congratulations must be given for every ui improvement having 1 or 2 good ideas, large amounts of pantsonhead and a fair chance to ignore any issues players have raised regarding that area. (ie if they do screw drones up I bet we still wont even get either launch shortcuts or the ability to see hp of drones that are inside our bay) |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6410
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:36:00 -
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ViRtUoZone wrote:Been playing this game for 5 years now. Can you please let me shut this completely useless redundancy off? I don't mind that it exists but I do mind that I have to deal with it.
This please. I know you want to make the game ****** proof for the nooblets, but why are you forcing this insufferable scourge on the rest of us? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9754
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:38:00 -
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Did you listen to sisi feedback at all? Christ you UI developers are stupid. What's worse is that you only made it available to HALF the players on sisi for some ******** reason. I for one didn't get these tooltips at all, so I couldn't have tested them and told you how awful they were. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1443
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:39:00 -
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Predictive Mouse Movement is good, I like that. Still though, Grr tooltips! |
Longdrinks
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
54
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:45:00 -
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Inspace tooltips take longer to load then the old ones making it harder to d-scan down ratters or other targets to deliver hard justice to.
How did this change not get vetted on sisi first? |
Immortal Chrono Pimpin
Vengance Inc. Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
74
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:46:00 -
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WTB Disable tooltips for inspace,
They take longer to load They do not update ship/item distance They are terrible plz let us use the old view |
T0KER
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:51:00 -
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Consider adding System Security to tooltips.
Would probably help new players a lot when exploring around. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
684
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:52:00 -
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What confuses me, wasn't this supposed to ship with Kronos? I was kinda surprised to see it suddenly pop up in a patch in the middle of nowhere. And especially in it's current state where it seems massively unfinished and untested. What was the point in rushing this out to TQ? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5686
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:54:00 -
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You guys ran this change past the CSM before pushing it live right?
Right after reviewing the test server feedback?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Destiny Calling
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
30
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:55:00 -
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Please also allow for a button that completely disables the "scan overlay". I don't see why these pve scans are forced onto me and make me click disable every system.
please thanks.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6095
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:57:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You guys ran this change past the CSM before pushing it live right?
Right after reviewing the test server feedback?
My guess is that they mentioned it's supposed to help the NPE and Ripard Teg shouted everyone else down to give them the greenlight. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Gaijin Lanis
Astral Silence Surely You're Joking
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:58:00 -
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As someone who is new to EVE, computers, and life in general, I had no idea the little "x" at the top left corner of every window in every operating system, program, and game with windows closed the window on which it was placed until informed of such by the new "close" tooltip associated with the aforementioned symbol.
I, for one, feel this design philosophy needs to be expanded. Perhaps by creating a tooltip associated with every window to inform players that each window is, in fact, a window. To continue on this line of thought, a tooltip could be associated with each tooltip explaining that tooltips are, in fact, tooltips. A tooltip could also be associated with the cursor so when someone mouses over their cursor they can learn their cursor is, in fact, a cursor, with helpful information on how exactly to use the cursor and mouse. As we all know the first thing anyone does when they buy a new PC or MAC is install EVE online.
To cease being daft, we all know that accessibility = profit. But unless CCP is planning on selling EVE boxes (read: prefab computers that only play EVE) a fair portion of the new tooltips are unnecessary and, frankly, frightening. As they seem to have been created, approved, and rolled out by a company that is operating under the impression that somehow, someone would manage to start playing EVE online before they ever used a computer. |
Emiko P'eng
72
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:01:00 -
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Very Nice.
Now how do I turn them OFF before they get really, really annoying! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5686
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You guys ran this change past the CSM before pushing it live right?
Right after reviewing the test server feedback?
My guess is that they mentioned it's supposed to help the NPE and Ripard Teg shouted everyone else down to give them the greenlight.
It's hard to laugh because that's entirely plausible. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Ivan Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:08:00 -
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The new tooltips as of the 5/13 release are a major pain. The overview already says it is a station. I dearly miss having the name of the station when it is moused over in the overview. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
103
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:08:00 -
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Gaijin Lanis wrote:As someone who is new to EVE, computers, and life in general, I had no idea the little "x" at the top left corner of every window in every operating system, program, and game with windows closed the window on which it was placed until informed of such by the new "close" tooltip associated with the aforementioned symbol.
I, for one, feel this design philosophy needs to be expanded. Perhaps by creating a tooltip associated with every window to inform players that each window is, in fact, a window. To continue on this line of thought, a tooltip could be associated with each tooltip explaining that tooltips are, in fact, tooltips. A tooltip could also be associated with the cursor so when someone mouses over their cursor they can learn their cursor is, in fact, a cursor, with helpful information on how exactly to use the cursor and mouse. As we all know the first thing anyone does when they buy a new PC or MAC is install EVE online.
To cease being daft, we all know that accessibility = profit. But unless CCP is planning on selling EVE boxes (read: prefab computers that only play EVE) a fair portion of the new tooltips are unnecessary and, frankly, frightening. As they seem to have been created, approved, and rolled out by a company that is operating under the impression that somehow, someone would manage to start playing EVE online before they ever used a computer.
this :) |
Blue Harrier
167
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:09:00 -
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Some observations on the tool-tips during a quick look tonight.
When GÇÿhangingGÇÖ in space stopped and cloaked a common thing for a scanning ship, I noticed that I had to be very careful where I GÇÿparkedGÇÖ my mouse cursor because the small but noticeable movement of the ship caused random pop up tooltips to obscure things I was looking at/for.
Missing tooltips; the station services buttons and tabs all have tooltips except if you merge the GÇÿshipsGÇÖ and GÇÿitemsGÇÖ tabs they donGÇÖt.
No tooltips on the Drones window or on the drones themselves, this could/might be useful for range/type/damage type etc.
The overview tooltips give no useful information whatsoever, I ended up either dragging the overview window wider so I could see which station was which or click each station individually so the name appeared in the (canGÇÖt remember the name), narrow window with the icons.
And as others have said it definitely needs a GÇÿspeed of responseGÇÖ and GÇÿnumber or typeGÇÖ tooltips sliders or tick boxes.
Good try but needs more work "You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982. |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:12:00 -
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Two things:
1: Make button to turn tooltips off
2: or rollback the update and return everything to how it was.
It really is an unneccesary and even gamebreaking addition for people who play the game for years. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. |
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