I would jsut accept hat sicen sentry drones are static and can take advantage on tracking issues because of that, they should have their tracking HALVED.

What you see now may have very little to do with bombers. For example, it's really annoying to make 10 to 20 jumps to get a fight while in a battleship. Why, if you can use Ishtar instead?
My point stands - bombers and battleships have a very long mutual history. And now we have MJD.

Please do the slot change for Tempest. Right now it can't compete with other battleships nither in armor, nor in shield tank. Focusing it on armor will make it much more interesting.

why? we already have typhoon as armour minmatar. tempest could just be either.

why? we already have typhoon as armour minmatar. tempest could just be either.

But something must be done. Easier way is to improve the ship bonuses. 7.5% damage instead of 5% would already help a lot.

Right now it can be a bad shield tank battleship or a bad armor battleship. For the same treatment of having only 6 turrets the hyperion got a 10% damage per level bonus and KEPT his repair bonus and 125m drone bay and a superior slot layout . Tempest must use 2 bonuses to still be way worse.

yes, projectiles are terrible

But something must be done. Easier way is to improve the ship bonuses. 7.5% damage instead of 5% would already help a lot.

Right now it can be a bad shield tank battleship or a bad armor battleship. For the same treatment of having only 6 turrets the hyperion got a 10% damage per level bonus and KEPT his repair bonus and 125m drone bay and a superior slot layout . Tempest must use 2 bonuses to still be way worse.

7.5% damage and 7 lows would completely obsolete the Maelstrom. The Tempest would be better in every way.

why? we already have typhoon as armour minmatar. tempest could just be either.

Typhoon is based on missiles. It means that he can't do that good instant alpha damage, and is not that good in close-range brawling becouse of torpedoes explosiun radius, even with the ship's bonus for it. It still is a nice ship, but it would be great to have armored ship capable of doing nice alpha-volley. With all that BS and HACs rebalancing happend past years tempest realy lost it's possitions. He is not good enough for armor fleet, as well as for shield. Nowadays it is only used to "cheap and quic" kill a few capitals, but this great ship deserves much more love from developers.

bombers are precisely why the big boys don't field battleships more often

nope would not... it would still have a far inferior tank and far less EHP . And Less dps. Yes less dps. Remember the drone bay and the fact hat maelstroms always have 3 damage mods, while most tempets would field 2.

It would nto obsolete on ANYTHIGN the maelstrom, woudl not even touch its relam.

The maelstrom also would remain as the prime fleet ship for alpha doctrines since it has larger EHP pool by bein g a combat battleship. If you want you coud reduce a bit tempest EHP even more when adding damage, biasign it even more as an attack battleship.

The typhoon does better (1170 dps with 2 neuts 1358 with 1 neut

Uhm, no. Shield tanks have complete **** for EHP. The Rokh has less EHP than an Apoc (let alone a Megathron) despite having a resist bonus, the Maelstrom vs. a 7-low Tempest would be an even larger gap.

Armor has higher base resists than shield, (130 total vs. 110) and invulnerability fields stacking nerf the shield ganglink severely. Armor tanks can run a 3-hardener setup and get the ganglink at 88%, this more than makes up for the higher values on the invulerability fields. Then there's the fact that plates give more EHP than extenders and don't bloom your signature radius.

A Tempest with 3 hardeners, DCU, 3 trimarks, and a single plate has more EHP than a Maelstrom with 2 invulns, 2 LSEs, a DCU, and three field extenders. That same tempest can also run an injector, tracking computer, and sensor booster. The Maelstrom only has 1 midslot left, it has to pick one of those three. Oh, and the tempest has about half the signature radius, which significantly improves its effective tank, especially against bombers.

Actually, keep the Ishtar exactly how it is.

WTB 800DPS out to 50km Vagabond
with the same tank and speed pls

rise pls

When it comes to super ganks, missile platform is not the best choice, because of smartbombs.

PS - how would you feel about an 8/4/7 Tempest?

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+8% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+10% bonus to Large Projectile Falloff

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 17000 PWG, 650 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7300 / 7400 / 6400
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400(+87.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .104 / 101000000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km(+5k) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength(+1)
Signature radius: 360(+20)

Tempest(armor tanked fleet BS)
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+7,5% bonus to Large Projectile damage


Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M, 7L(+1); 6 turrets , 2 launchers
Fittings: 17700 PWG(+2200), 550 CPU
Defence (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 7000 / 6500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5800(+487.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101000000(-2300000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km(+10) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 21 Ladar Sensor Strength(+2)
Signature radius: 340

The more I hear it the more I like the idea of just changing the bandwidth of Heavys to 20mb and lowering the bandwidth of ishtars to 100 as well as the Navy Vexor. This would be a slight buff also to Myrms as they would not be able to field a full flight of heavy drones.

The more I hear it the more I like the idea of just changing the bandwidth of Heavys to 20mb and lowering the bandwidth of ishtars to 100 as well as the Navy Vexor. This would be a slight buff also to Myrms as they would not be able to field a full flight of heavy drones.

Get at zero, missile exist only during the tick of the launching, smartbombs only kill missiles on the tick after they launched. Keep at zero and the smartbombs will not kill the missiles (tested it several times, altough on normal carriers, but mechanic should be the same. It is the same thing as pointing interceptors, need a lot of luck for the smartbomb to kill anything on that scenario). You will miss the first shots while you approach but hardy something so important to make the tempest the best choice. And you would need several smartbombs to kill torpedos (a single large one is not enough)

It's not just the myrmidon that would benefit if such a change happens.

Vexor/prophecy would be able to field 3 heavies, a medium and a light
Vexor navy would be able to field 5 heavies (if it was also reduced to 100 bandwidth)
Proteus would be able to field 5 heavies in its drone configuration
Myrmidon would be able to field 5 heavies

It is a buff to the potential damage of the vexor, prophecy, proteus and myrmidon ( though suffers from no heavy drone speed or tracking bonuses) and a nerf to the vexor navy (if used as a sentry boat, but no nerf is used as a heavy droneboat), and the Ishtar (as it would lose 20% of its sentry damage, but lose none of its damage if using heavy drones).

Its a tactical nerf to the sentry setup on cruisers, but keeps its exact potential when using heavy drones. It is also a buff to some drone ships and basic drone fitting functionality..