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CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 679	Posted - 2016.03.10 10:59:42 - [1051] - Quote Morning all, just to let you know I'm going to take a look at your concerns and see whether I can see whats changed here. I'll report back with my findings! CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 @CCP_Lebowski

Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 59	Posted - 2016.03.10 11:06:27 - [1052] - Quote thx for looking into it.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2312	Posted - 2016.03.10 19:04:00 - [1053] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Quick question: Chruker insists that chase speed of burners Jag and Hawk are about 11400 and 1100 respectively, however OP still suggests that kite Retribution can handle them. Particular fit that is suggested under the link in the OP is an AB fit that can barely go above 1050. Of course we can always slap an MWD on it (if they start outside of their 13 km "death radius" in the mission pocket), but what's the deal with the suggested fit? Just so that you don't have to look it up: [Retribution, Burner Jaguar/Hawk] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner [empty med slot] Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot] Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Energy Locus Coordinator II Small Energy Locus Coordinator II with an overdrive the retribution can out speed the hawk no problem, I assume it would run into problems vs the jag, I usually use an ECM MWD rail harpy for that, but looks like a MWD retribution would work. With max skills you could throw a nano or something in the empty low, or with lower skills I think a pdu might help make it fit. [Retribution, kill it burner mwd kite] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II [empty low slot] Co-Processor II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive [empty med slot] Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S [empty high slot] Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S Small Energy Locus Coordinator II Small Energy Locus Coordinator II @ChainsawPlankto
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 61	Posted - 2016.03.10 22:52:06 - [1054] - Quote @ ccp lebowski run a couple burners today with nos use (the cruor and dramiel) and all went ok today. dram was down in 40 sec unheated.
Sid358 Berzerks Inc. GONE BERZERK 3	Posted - 2016.03.11 17:39:00 - [1055] - Quote after changes is now fit of the garmur: [Garmur, Garmur Team Burner Update] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x2000 Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x2000 Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x2000 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x2000 stable!
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 61	Posted - 2016.03.11 20:01:18 - [1056] - Quote as Bumblefck mentioned a page before try the polarized version.
Toddle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.11 21:47:34 - [1057] - Quote Thanks for looking into this :) I ran six quick tests today on tranq with the Jag fit posted below. I just warped to a belt rat, waited a couple ticks for 100% cap, and then tested time to cap depletion: NOS + AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m28, 1m30s (activated NOS at start with 100% cap) NOS + AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m30s, 1m32s (activated NOS at 50% cap) AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m18s, 1m21s Fitting window predicts cap depletion after 1m15s, not acounting for NOS. It would appear NOS is working, but nowhere near as well as it should be. Then again these numbers are arguably within margin of error so... If I get the Cruor burner again will do some more testing. [Jaguar, dram burner] IFFA Compact Damage Control Capacitor Flux Coil II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Small Energy Nosferatu II 200mm AutoCannon II Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Republic Fleet EMP S x4351 Nanite Repair Paste x60
SirElwood Blues TimeZone Warriors 10	Posted - 2016.03.12 10:00:55 - [1058] - Quote NOS has definitely being nerfed, lost 1 ship that ran burner agent missions without ever running low using NOS, now I'm dry (and dead) in 1.5 minutes. As fitting screen showed me I should be cap stable with NOS running, something must be wrong. Even if it would have falloff it shouldn't matter since I was at 0 of the NPC.
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 61	Posted - 2016.03.12 13:46:51 - [1059] - Quote made a few improvements at my enyo vs worm burner [Enyo, Worm] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Knave Scoped Energy Nosferatu Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator II Warrior I x1 with genolution set, zor and NN-605 you catch him within 2 oh cycles. does 431 dps unheated and 496 dps heated at all V killtime unheated 1:25 min, heated 1:05
Lit HiB Hilanen Eagle hills traders and hunters 0	Posted - 2016.03.12 14:00:01 - [1060] - Quote Does anyone have a working fit now for daredevil against worm?
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 61	Posted - 2016.03.12 14:12:42 - [1061] - Quote Lit HiB Hilanen wrote: Does anyone have a working fit now for daredevil against worm? the unified devil should work quite well. [Daredevil, Burner unified] Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S [empty high slot] Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Lit HiB Hilanen Eagle hills traders and hunters 0	Posted - 2016.03.12 14:34:50 - [1062] - Quote Ploing wrote: Lit HiB Hilanen wrote: Does anyone have a working fit now for daredevil against worm? the unified devil should work quite well. [Daredevil, Burner unified] Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S [empty high slot] Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I whats this...you can never catch worm with AB... I had a perfect fit but with web nerf I cant catch him anymore, I have to pulse mwd like idiot. I am looking for scrambler fit I guess
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 61	Posted - 2016.03.12 15:22:15 - [1063] - Quote upps sorry copied a false fit [Daredevil, Burner Worm] Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Centus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Coreli A-Type Kinetic Plating Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Gistii C-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler Cap Recharger II Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I but with a little search from yourself you should be able to find it yourself
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 61	Posted - 2016.03.12 15:25:12 - [1064] - Quote Lit HiB Hilanen wrote: I had a perfect fit but with web nerf I cant catch him anymore, I have to pulse mwd like idiot. I am looking for scrambler fit I guess scrambler fit was always better before patch.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2313	Posted - 2016.03.12 23:41:24 - [1065] - Quote something change with the one linked in the op? If I remember right it still fit when I logged in the other day. lost a little scram range, but shouldn't be a big deal, probably replace with a CN scram which is something I was thinking of doing but didn't seem to matter enough but just might with the range change? [Daredevil, Blaster Burner Gurista] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Corpus B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S [empty high slot] Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Auxiliary Thrusters II Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Ancillary Current Router I @ChainsawPlankto
Evaldor Monks of War Out of Sight. 0	Posted - 2016.03.14 21:32:30 - [1066] - Quote hi guys. after patch im in search what to do :\ Before patch this fit was fine but now im runing out of cap... [Vengeance, Vs Dramiel] Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Reactive Armor Hardener Ballistic Control System II Coreli B-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Small Energy Nosferatu II Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x2648 Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :)
Aghira Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc. 49	Posted - 2016.03.15 12:07:27 - [1067] - Quote Evaldor wrote: Before patch this fit was fine but now im runing out of cap... Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :) Try something like this: [Vengeance, Angel Burner (Dramiel)] Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Corpii A-Type EM Plating Dark Blood Energized Explosive Membrane Ballistic Control System II Stasis Webifier II Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Small Energy Nosferatu II Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Small Anti-EM Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x1500 Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck) english is not my native language.
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 62	Posted - 2016.03.15 12:39:40 - [1068] - Quote Evaldor wrote: Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :) ccp lebowsski is on it about the cap prob. but if you want to try another ship [Succubus, burner dramiel beater all V] Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1MN Afterburner II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Stasis Webifier II Gistum B-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II as u kite the dram with this u have a small transversal. you have to be over 840 m/s with the ab. so perhaps check ur imps and made an upgrade to a faster ab.
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 62	Posted - 2016.03.15 12:51:45 - [1069] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: CCP Dev Thanks for the bug report, I have been unable to observe any negative difference in cap usage between the two fits you provided in the thread. However I did see that the reduced web strength was having a minor effect on the speed at which I could destroy the NPC. Hope this helps! CCP Lebowski
Toddle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.15 20:28:18 - [1070] - Quote If NoS is broken there won't be any difference between two current fits. A small T2 NoS at optimal should provide 4GJ/s cap recharge. It isn't. Not even 0.5GJ/s. AKA broken. And 'negative difference in cap usage'? Doesn't even sound like he/she was testing NOS.
Evaldor Monks of War Out of Sight. 0	Posted - 2016.03.15 21:16:20 - [1071] - Quote Ploing wrote: Evaldor wrote: Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :) ccp lebowsski is on it about the cap prob. but if you want to try another ship [Succubus, burner dramiel beater all V] Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1MN Afterburner II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Stasis Webifier II Gistum B-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II as u kite the dram with this u have a small transversal. you have to be over 840 m/s with the ab. so perhaps check ur imps and made an upgrade to a faster ab. coz im living in Null's - imps not a variant. Also not all skills in V :)
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 63	Posted - 2016.03.15 23:06:20 - [1072] - Quote Toddle wrote: If NOS is broken there won't be any difference between two current fits. A small T2 NOS at optimal should provide 4GJ/s cap recharge. It isn't. Not even 0.5GJ/s. AKA broken. And 'negative difference in cap usage'? Doesn't even sound like he/she was testing NOS. [edit] Still haven't gotten another Cruor burner... would be nice to post some neut cycle time numbers with/without NOS. running a similar fit against cruor and noticed the last days that its not going over 10 cap. for sure its worse than before patch.
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 63	Posted - 2016.03.15 23:10:23 - [1073] - Quote Evaldor wrote: Ploing wrote: Evaldor wrote: Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :) ccp lebowsski is on it about the cap prob. but if you want to try another ship [Succubus, burner dramiel beater all V] Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1MN Afterburner II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Stasis Webifier II Gistum B-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II as u kite the dram with this u have a small transversal. you have to be over 840 m/s with the ab. so perhaps check ur imps and made an upgrade to a faster ab. coz im living in Null's - imps not a variant. Also not all skills in V :) so drop a HS for an overdrive to get over the 840 m/s and/or replace the ab. should be working.
Toddle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.17 17:30:05 - [1074] - Quote Still no Cruor burner, but I did some testing on Ashimmu burner today, and medium NOS are definitely working as intended. I then hopped in the test Jag and found a belt rat... the exact same results as posted previously, small NOS are either completely broken or working at less than 10% rated effectiveness. The Jag tests were conducted within optimal, the Gila vs Ashimmu test was within 500m of optimal. Murphy please give me a Cruor burner FWIW: Without NOS the Gila hit 16-17GJ peak before neut cycle finished. With NOS it was ~70 or ~110GJ depending on if one or two NOS cycles finished. [Gila, burner ashimmu] Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Drone Damage Amplifier II Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum B-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Corpum C-Type Medium Energy Nosferatu Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Toddle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.17 21:32:58 - [1075] - Quote I tested out the same medium NOS on a belt rat and it wasn't working. At this point the only explanation that makes sense is that some (but not all) burners have been given a NOS immune flag and/or cap warfare resistance that wasn't there previous to March update. Goodness knows what other entities have have changed also. Is this intended? I have a NOS fit succubus that I use for worm burner, but haven't tried it out since this fiasco started. Will test it next time I see one, of course now it'll join the cruor in the list of burners I've jinxed myself out of... Also, will bug report it.
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 63	Posted - 2016.03.17 22:03:23 - [1076] - Quote Toddle wrote: I have a NOS fit succubus that I use for worm burner, but haven't tried it out since this fiasco started. Will test it next time I see one, of course now it'll join the cruor in the list of burners I've jinxed myself out of... Also, will bug report it. provide the bug report with the link to this thread to get lebowski back on that. for the worm i also use nos fits (suc and enyo) but all went well.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2315	Posted - 2016.03.17 22:23:42 - [1077] - Quote I haven't considered nos to be effective vs npcs since the nos nerf in 07 or 08. The only ship I have it on is my gila for the blood base, and that was just because I thought it might generate enough aggro to keep the ashimmu from shooting my drones, any cap it gives is just a bonus to fuel my target painter. @ChainsawPlankto
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 63	Posted - 2016.03.17 23:06:45 - [1078] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I haven't considered nos to be effective vs npcs since the nos nerf in 07 or 08. The only ship I have it on is my gila for the blood base, and that was just because I thought it might generate enough aggro to keep the ashimmu from shooting my drones, any cap it gives is just a bonus to fuel my target painter. thats right, but sometimes you are in need to get more cap and cant use a booster.
Super Hana Elite Spaceship Corp 0	Posted - 2016.03.18 06:33:22 - [1079] - Quote As of the last patch, I've been unable to kill the Dramiel with a unified daredevil (unable to track it well-enough). Most likely due to the web change.
probag Bear Xiong Offices 90	Posted - 2016.03.20 02:33:46 - [1080] - Quote I'm late to the party, but for me, a week ago, NOSes were working exactly the same as pre-patch on Burner NPCs. I have one on my anti-Cruor fit to power my web and I had no issues.

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