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Dave Stark
6974
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:59:00 -
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mynnna wrote:If you don't like other people having structured fights, you can go inject a little bit of unstructuredness into their day by blowing up their dojo.
e: If structured fights have no place on TQ, do y'all folks also oppose the Alliance Tournament? New Eden Open?
no, but they're planned annual tournaments. not a replacement for people when they're "bored for 20 mins with nothing to do".
not to mention, don't the AT fights themselves take place in jove space? which for all intents and purposes isn't really tq. I was under the impression that the NEO was held on a test server? i may be mistaken, of course. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5154
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:00:00 -
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just because you can does not mean you should -1 not supported =]I[= |
Chessur
Black Complex
368
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:00:00 -
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I LOVE THIS, THANK YOU VERITAS! I can only hope that this project continues to be built on |
Kaeda Maxwell
Carebear Luv Klub Neo-Bushido Movement
314
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle.
You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for.
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Igor Nappi
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:01:00 -
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I hope this never gets into TQ. Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game. |
Dave Stark
6974
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:03:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle. You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for.
if you can't find something to do in eve; you're doing it wrong. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
579
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:03:00 -
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Needs the ability to put up isk bets that go to the winner. |
Kenneth Skybound
The War Den War Rats
116
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:03:00 -
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Just quoting myself from reddit for visibility :P
Kenneth Skybound wrote:Frankly, I support this - not in the current iteration by any means (and there are some things within I don't quite understand, like are the parts lost if the ship blows up, and who pays that bill?). Things I'd like to see:
- Organized bets
- Standing limitations
- Character/corp/alliance blacklist or whitelist
- Deadspace NOT hidden, but cancels all bets if warped to, offending character announced to all betters, competitors and deployable owner, ceases all combat instantly
- Entry fee, reward payouts and charges on item usage - all optional
- Adaptable points system, not limited to just ships
- Teams. Obviously.
- Ability to hack the deployable, granting suspect flag in empire, to disable the "end combat" of people warping to the deadspace. Also the ability to siphon entry fees, bets and item fees (some%) whilst attached and successfully hacked. No notification given to anyone other than physically being at the deployable and seeing the offender. Cov Ops get minor bonus to siphon %, SoE ships get individual bonuses (astero matching cov ops, stratios a little higher, nestor much higher). Siphoning of cash and removal of "end combat" security requires constant connection to the deployable. Only one person may be connected at the same time.
- Deployable must not be on grid with any station, stargate, starbase, sentry gun, cosmic anomaly, customs office or cosmic signature.
- Items and ships use in the fight will suffer usual destruction mechanics.
- Optional warp bubble, covering entire arena + 100km, to prevent losing ships warping out and to prevent pods warping out.
- End of match removes deadspace immediately (except for combat stopped, which will wait 2 minutes) allowing for looting and salvaging by external vessels.
- Third parties able to place "Bounties" which pay out for beating certain ships, ship groups, in certain timeframes and/or against players/corporations/alliances at specified/all dojos with chosen payout method (%, flat reward, reward based on standings, reward based on pre-match acceptance by bounty placer - default not allowed in case of no response).
There are things other people might add or disagree with. This is entirely personal opinion from some quick thinking. I know and am aware of the prototype, in-dev stage of this deployable that may not even see singularity, let alone TQ, but my comments and ideas are put forward as if it will progress to the main server. That said, I welcome any and all reasonable comments and criticisms, including any CCP-Dev input saying if one or more ideas are "as good as impossible". :3 |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
1024
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:I was under the impression that the NEO was held on a test server? i may be mistaken, of course. You are mistaken. NEO and AT is on TQ in jove space.
The player made SCL is on sisi. And AFAIK it's a shi[b][b/]t ton of effort with sometimes human errors like one team had more than allowed points :( Image SCL on TQ made by players but with better tools to do so :) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
2074
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:05:00 -
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Goodbye roams for :gudfites:
No need to roam and hunt when you have an instant-gratification fight waiting for you.
Call Of Duty: New Eden.
*sigh*
Trammel, here we come!!!!!
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
66
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:06:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle. You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for. if you can't find something to do in eve; you're doing it wrong.
this line of thought is wrong |
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
196
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:06:00 -
[162] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle.
I have perfectly no idea what is your point. Do you want a lifetime guarantee that you may gank/hotdrop anything anywhere ? Seriously, I don't get it.
Especially, because with those Dojos you actually could get the fight anytime... instead of posting in a forum about how hard it is to get fights?!?! |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1131
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:10:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:Just quoting myself from reddit for visibility :P
[quote=Kenneth Skybound] Frankly, I support this - not in the current iteration by any means (and there are some things within I don't quite understand, like are the parts lost if the ship blows up, and who pays that bill?).
The person who's Dojo is being used is the one who has stocked it with all the ships, fits, charges and the like. So when the ships explode, its probably their wallet that suffers. These would all be sourced through current means on TQ rather than created out of thin air.
Wrecks are left behind - and I assume that when the pocket they are in goes away they can scanned and found? (I know little about scanning mechanics to be honest). RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Kenneth Skybound
The War Den War Rats
116
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:12:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Kenneth Skybound wrote:Just quoting myself from reddit for visibility :P
[quote=Kenneth Skybound] Frankly, I support this - not in the current iteration by any means (and there are some things within I don't quite understand, like are the parts lost if the ship blows up, and who pays that bill?).
The person who's Dojo is being used is the one who has stocked it with all the ships, fits, charges and the like. So when the ships explode, its probably their wallet that suffers. These would all be sourced through current means on TQ rather than created out of thin air. Wrecks are left behind - and I assume that when the pocket they are in goes away they can scanned and found? (I know little about scanning mechanics to be honest).
The way scanning is, the victor would have to remain long enough for it to be scanned down by someone, as wrecks themselves cannot be scanned.
Thanks for your input on item usage. I hadn't yet connected to duality to see if the contents are used up in fights to determine if they blow up at all or were merely a list of allowed items by means of putting one into the deployable. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8303
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:13:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle. You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for.
CCP should not spend a bunch of time creating content for people who don't really like what EVE is in the 1st place. It's not and should never be something the 'instant gratification crowd' (like LoL players).
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Dave Stark
6974
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:14:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Dave Stark wrote:I was under the impression that the NEO was held on a test server? i may be mistaken, of course. You are mistaken. NEO and AT is on TQ in jove space. The player made SCL is on sisi. And AFAIK it's a shi[b][b/]t ton of effort with sometimes human errors like one team had more than allowed points :( Image SCL on TQ made by players but with better tools to do so :)
Ah right, TIL i guess! |
Narkashima
Space Farmers Cooperative MPA
6
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:15:00 -
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I like it. I'm short on spare time at the moment and this would allow me to have fun anyway. And I think that's what Eve is about, right?
To the 'fights should have consequences' crowd: I agree with this, somewhat. There should be a penalty for losing. Let every contestant pay an entry fee (tbd by the Dojo owner..?) that is forfeit when lost. Winner takes the losers' entry fee, minus a percentage for the Dojo owner. Profit! :)
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Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
292
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:16:00 -
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HO LY SHE YIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
That's super cool |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8303
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:16:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle.
I have perfectly no idea what is your point. Do you want a lifetime guarantee that you may gank/hotdrop anything anywhere ? Seriously, I don't get it. Especially, because with those Dojos you actually could get the fight anytime... instead of posting in a forum about how hard it is to get fights?!?!
I'm a pve player, I don't care about fights. I care about the 'spirit' of this game I've played for the last 7 going on 8 years. This idea violates a core principle, it does no harm or potential harm to me as an EVE player what-so-ever. |
Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
81
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:17:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle.
I have perfectly no idea what is your point. Do you want a lifetime guarantee that you may gank/hotdrop anything anywhere ? Seriously, I don't get it. Especially, because with those Dojos you actually could get the fight anytime... instead of posting in a forum about how hard it is to get fights?!?!
You don't get a fight in a dojo, what's your point?
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Masao Kurata
Z List
79
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:19:00 -
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EVE is not the most fun game. You can't immediately get what you want out of EVE, you have to work for it and there are people everywhere who want to interfere with that, to take your ISK or just to screw with you because they can. Everything has to be looked upon with suspicion and you need to even the field yourself. EVE can be a lot of work, but it is the most satisfying game I know of when you achieve something.
EVE is real. This feature is not. |
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
196
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:20:00 -
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Contestants should actually buy the stuff from the Dojo owner. Anything else does not make much sense since the fittings used will maybe greatly vary in value. Plus you might not even get the victor's ship back in one piece and so on...
Maybe the thing could display the killmail value of your chosen ship (+ owner defined tax rate) BEFORE the fight and a contestant would have to deposit that sum in order to fight? |
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
196
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:22:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote: EVE is real. This feature is not.
This will be a fun way to interact with people and blow up REAL virtual stuff! This is SO EVE! |
Kaeda Maxwell
Carebear Luv Klub Neo-Bushido Movement
314
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:22:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle. You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for. CCP should not spend a bunch of time creating content for people who don't really like what EVE is in the 1st place. It's not and should never be something the 'instant gratification crowd' (like LoL players).
Exuse me? How do you know hat I like? I've been playing EVE longer then any other MMO, I've ever played and I've been playing MMO's since Ultima Online.
EVE used to have content I enjoyed it still does. But it used to be you could log in and spend an hour in EVE and have few cool frigate fights in that time. Now when I log in I have to spend an extraordinate amount of time to get at any content I actually enjoy. Or I have to go through a massive amount of effort and multibox 3 accounts just to get a level playing field. And I have a limited amount of leisure time, it's not that I don't enjoy the EVE content when I do mange to get it, it is that the amount of time/effort required to get is completely out of kilter with the amount of enjoyable content I can get out of other games in the same amount of time. EVE doesn't exist in a vacuum.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3473
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:24:00 -
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We all feared Veritas' leaving because we all believed he was working on brain-in-a-box.
But apparently that fear can be assuaged because he was actually just adding instances to Eve.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1132
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:25:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Kenneth Skybound wrote:Just quoting myself from reddit for visibility :P
[quote=Kenneth Skybound] Frankly, I support this - not in the current iteration by any means (and there are some things within I don't quite understand, like are the parts lost if the ship blows up, and who pays that bill?).
The person who's Dojo is being used is the one who has stocked it with all the ships, fits, charges and the like. So when the ships explode, its probably their wallet that suffers. These would all be sourced through current means on TQ rather than created out of thin air. Wrecks are left behind - and I assume that when the pocket they are in goes away they can scanned and found? (I know little about scanning mechanics to be honest). The way scanning is, the victor would have to remain long enough for it to be scanned down by someone, as wrecks themselves cannot be scanned. Thanks for your input on item usage. I hadn't yet connected to duality to see if the contents are used up in fights to determine if they blow up at all or were merely a list of allowed items by means of putting one into the deployable.
And on checking, the items do get used up - I ran out of ammo fast not having stocked enough. Having a way to set a cost on each item would be great too. Allows for potential isk pool prizes and so on. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Dave Stark
6975
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:27:00 -
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It may not really be the main point, but i'd be more likely to get involved in some hilarious frig 1v1 content if i didn't think "losing this frig and probably my pod because i'm bad will cost me like 40m isk because my clone is worth nearly 10x the ship i'm flying", than this thing would.
also, it'd probably encourage me to pvp more on the whole.
just, throwing it out there like... |
Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
82
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:28:00 -
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**** "content" **** esports **** these forums And **** this idea in particular.
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1132
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:29:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Contestants should actually buy the stuff from the Dojo owner. Anything else does not make much sense since the fittings used will maybe greatly vary in value. Plus you might not even get the victor's ship back in one piece and so on...
Maybe the thing could display the killmail value of your chosen ship (+ owner defined tax rate) BEFORE the fight and a contestant would have to deposit that sum in order to fight?
I can get behind this 100%. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8304
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:32:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle. You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for. CCP should not spend a bunch of time creating content for people who don't really like what EVE is in the 1st place. It's not and should never be something the 'instant gratification crowd' (like LoL players). Exuse me? How do you know hat I like? I've been playing EVE longer then any other MMO, I've ever played and I've been playing MMO's since Ultima Online. EVE used to have content I enjoyed it still does. But it used to be you could log in and spend an hour in EVE and have few cool frigate fights in that time. Now when I log in I have to spend an extraordinate amount of time to get at any content I actually enjoy. Or I have to go through a massive amount of effort and multibox 3 accounts just to get a level playing field. And I have a limited amount of leisure time, it's not that I don't enjoy the EVE content when I do mange to get it, it is that the amount of time/effort required to get is completely out of kilter with the amount of enjoyable content I can get out of other games in the same amount of time. EVE doesn't exist in a vacuum.
CCP should also not be spending time creating game mechanics for people who don't have time to play EVE. You probably joined the game when the population was much smaller (and you could get those 'fair fights'). This is no longer the case.
CCP should not be contemplating violating a core principle of the game because you can't find 1v1 frig fights. There is nothing stopping you from finding a group of other limited game time players, hopping through an easy (less than 1 minute) to find wormhole to some empty system and having at it for 15-30 minutes. Also, RvB exists.
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