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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:17:00 -
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Varesk wrote: So you want to make an Instance in Eve which allows two player to fight. I don't understand why this is even in development. This idea is everything that Eve isn't. Eve isn't fair, Eve isn't safe. Its one server where anyone can shoot anyone. You are basically taking one of the core values of the game and smashing it with a Theme park MMO hammer.
Reminds me of the same argument Americans use whenever new laws are enacted.
"Some guy 300 years ago created a set of rules, how dare we even consider breaking those rules!"
Ideas evolve. This doesn't take away a single facet of the game, it simply adds the ability for two willing parties to engage one another without the chance of trickery.
One might argue this separates them from the EVE universe and so another person - unrelated - would not have the ability to interfere if he so pleased. This is wishful thinking. Two parties can already warp to a safe and engage in a duel, thus not allowing anyone else to realistically interfere.
All this does is removes the ability for one of the parties to use trickery in gaining an advantage. That is something they are agreeing to, which is their right.
Stop trying to force us to play by your ideas, when nothing we are doing is affecting you. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
1038
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:17:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Stuff of Win and Awesome One question: Is this limited to low/null sec or can it be deployed in high sec as well? I didn't put any restrictions on it, but I've only tested it in null systems. You might get concorded in a match in highsec now that I think about it. Probably a bad idea to do that.
I've set up moveme to send folks to station in FD-MLJ, just join the channel "moveme" and say "moveme". CCP Veritas - Technical Director - EVE Online |
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Dave Stark
6966
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:17:00 -
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tournament pvp is a nice distraction once a year. however when that kind of format is the staple of eve, i think we'll have a problem.
in wow nobody ever left the capital city; there was no reason to. now imagine if nobody ever bothered undocking anymore because they could get pvp on demand by pressing a button.
sure you might make pvp more accessible to a few more people... but at what cost to the actual game if nobody's bothering to undock and actually *play* it? |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
192
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:17:00 -
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This should be pretty epic and will lead to a whole list of player run events, gambling, debauchery, and what have you. +1 for listening to the players and +1 when this gets implemented and flushed out.
Things to already build on and consider: -Ability to set prizes -Ability to ban ship types -Maximum 10 v 10 fights -Betting -3rd party viewing -Allow haulers to dock at the structure and drop off ships -Allow courier contracts to be assigned to a dojo
Now, if only we can tie SOV into this, as someone already mentioned, "gladiator style" so when there's a stalemate, i.e. big blue doughnut, things can be settled like men
Question for the aesthetics of this: is this just going to be a tiny little blip in space like the MD or MTU? -Have you considered making this a giant superstructure of sorts that has to be built in space off a planet. I mean it is a 125km sphere radius of doom, so the thing is massive. You could have some special designs for each faction given their flavor (blood raider would have skulls and offering tables littering the structure's exterior or a corporate, modernist Caldari style structure, etc). Consider a giant ball that uses a bubble's sphere of effect to mark the grid with the structures top and bottom "generating" the sphere (will find a picture or make a quick design later)
This would allow them to be built in highsec, destroyable through a wardec, and limited to 1-2 per system. Lowsec/nullsec could have it's own style (more grandiose or run down) and be attackable at will. Allow for a few mini timers like a POS given the structure's size and the contents it would hold --------------------------------------------------------::::::::::::--:::-----:::---::::::::::::--------------:::----------:::----:::---:::----------------------:::::::-------:::---:::----::::::-------------------:::-----------:::--:::----:::---------------------::::::::::::----:::::::----:::::::::::::------- |
Madbuster73
V0LTA Triumvirate.
123
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:20:00 -
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No, please dont make EvE a themepark..... This is against everything that EvE stands for.
We already have the duel option, AND we have RvB.
We dont need controlled environments.
Keep it on Sisi or Duality, but putting it on TQ is just a big joke.
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Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
593
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:21:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
This isn't a way to get rid of non-consensual PvP. It's a way to let people have consensual fights in a place where loss is meaningful.
There's an appetite for it, after all. (See RvB, for example).
Yes it is a way to get rid of it. The two pilots end up in an instance on TQ. If you want to do this, go on the TEST server or find a SS. Eve is about risks, and this take a lot of the risk out of Eve.
Red vs. Blue is doing it right, if i come across a red dude shooting a blue dude, i can lock and shoot one or rep the other. |
Masao Kurata
Z List
78
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:21:00 -
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If you ever introduce this to TQ you will literally have killed EVE. This is completely anti-sandbox, every fight on TQ except for AT has to allow any dirty tactics and third party interference. Specifically this would be the end of all station dueling and the end of most rvb activities for a start. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6610
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:24:00 -
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Infrequent wrote:I can see this replacing highsec duels, or just being a way to mess around on Sisi, either way +1 and let the bitter vet "slippery slope" tears commence, actually it seems they've already begun since people seem to fail to understand that this ISN'T ON TQ. If this was an idea proposed by a random EVE player, you'd have a point. It isn't though. It's a fully functioning prototype made by CCP and is clearly introduced to gauge the community response before committing to adding arenas to EVE. The things shown to lead to the decline of world PvP in other MMOs. Also CCP themselves have always stated they don't usually commit to developing new systems just for test servers, since they can't justify spending that work on few hundred testers when it could be used to improve the game for tens of thousands. I'd say there is certainly a cause for concern over this. Those concerns might not end up manifesting to real threats, but now is the time to express them.
I'd say the methods possible for outsiders to influence the arenas determine whether this is a cool addition to the game or an abomination in the sandbox that needs to be cleansed with fire. From the initial glance it seems to avoid the worst pitfalls, so I'll go into the wait-and-see -mode until the project progresses further. |
Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance HYDRA RELOADED
338
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:28:00 -
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Awesome post Veritas.
But this thread makes me very sad, for as long as I can remember these forums have been plagued by complete ******* retards
I like Duncan |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
62
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:29:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:If you ever introduce this to TQ you will literally have killed EVE. This is completely anti-sandbox
this is a little extreme however i agree keep it of TQ so long as it never makes it there this is a cool idea |
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Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:29:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship?
It's easier to find fights when more people are out there looking for them. Cool idea, but please don't add this to TQ
Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
593
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:30:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Varesk wrote: So you want to make an Instance in Eve which allows two player to fight. I don't understand why this is even in development. This idea is everything that Eve isn't. Eve isn't fair, Eve isn't safe. Its one server where anyone can shoot anyone. You are basically taking one of the core values of the game and smashing it with a Theme park MMO hammer.
Reminds me of the same argument Americans use whenever new laws are enacted. "Some guy 300 years ago created a set of rules, how dare we even consider breaking those rules!"Ideas evolve. This doesn't take away a single facet of the game, it simply adds the ability for two willing parties to engage one another without the chance of trickery. One might argue this separates them from the EVE universe and so another person - unrelated - would not have the ability to interfere if he so pleased. This is wishful thinking. Two parties can already warp to a safe and engage in a duel, thus not allowing anyone else to realistically interfere. All this does is removes the ability for one of the parties to use trickery in gaining an advantage. That is something they are agreeing to, which is their right. Stop trying to force us to play by your ideas, when nothing we are doing is affecting you.
First of all, Your slander against "Americans" is uncalled for. This isnt a country vs. country thing. This is a core vaule of Eve being changed. Eve isnt an "Instanced game". Eve is a single shard server where anyone can do anything to anyone. If you add an "Instance" to Eve, you are taking one of the very unique things about this game away from it.
There are already options in this game for 1v1 combat. The tools are there for the game to remain a single sharded universe where if i choose, i can jump in to someones fight and give them another KM or blow them both up.
Sorry you cant handle the harsh universe that is New Eden.
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Noriko Mai
1525
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:31:00 -
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I can't use offgrid booster *mimimimi* I can't have a friend rep me in a 1v1 *mimimimim* I can't blob a frig with 10 Supers *mimimimi*
You guys are soo 1337... -Æ-ï-¦-+-Ç-ï! -Æ-ï-¦-+-Ç-ï! -Ü-¦-+-¦-+-¦-¦-é-ï - -+-+-¦-+-Ç-ï! | -ô-¦-+-¦-+-¦-¦-+-¦ |
Alstevar Eastern
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:32:00 -
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The first idea is good but ;
"a deadspace pocket placed randomly in space thatGÇÖs guarded from people warping to it"
If no other one can come in, why they need to be in the server space where other players can try to warp on it ? Just make something like a fair holodeck match on captain's quarters. |
Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance HYDRA RELOADED
344
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:37:00 -
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I think the main way to keep a feature like this acceptable in the eyes of the "omg my sandbox" guys, would to dedicate this feature towards player run pvp tournaments. One of the biggest concerns in the esport panel was that it's too difficult to have a good tournament going without ccp's help. And it seems that what you have already isn't too far away from that.
Thank you for doing this and I hope the idiots in this thread doesn't deter the idea I like Duncan |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
63
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:37:00 -
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thinking further on it depending on how it is implemented and how much you can mess with it from the outside (even if not the match directly) such as bets and throwing fights perhaps it could be cool and a great way for corps/alliances to train new players in PvP. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
1019
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:39:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:thinking further on it depending on how it is implemented and how much you can mess with it from the outside (even if not the match directly) such as bets and throwing fights perhaps it could be cool and a great way for corps/alliances to train new players in PvP.
* Organize tournament * Gather entry fee * Run off with money :)
I for one like it. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Gilgamesh BoShudda
Run and Gun
1
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:40:00 -
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Great, so now when I am flying around in FW lowsec looking for frig fights, instead of finding mostly stabbed and cloaky frigs, I will find ONLY stabbed and cloaky frigs. All of the players who would normally be venturing out into FW systems looking for fun fights will instead just stay docked in the hubs. If this ends up on TQ, it will kill frig PVP. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2424
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:40:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:thinking further on it depending on how it is implemented and how much you can mess with it from the outside (even if not the match directly) such as bets and throwing fights perhaps it could be cool and a great way for corps/alliances to train new players in PvP.
The training aspect is certainly true. In our first encounter testing it, I whooped Veritas and now he remembers to overheat! I assume he used this knowledge to take down Habakuk this morning CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance HYDRA RELOADED
344
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:41:00 -
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Gilgamesh BoShudda wrote:Great, so now when I am flying around in FW lowsec looking for frig fights, instead of finding mostly stabbed and cloaky frigs, I will find ONLY stabbed and cloaky frigs. All of the players who would normally be venturing out into FW systems looking for fun fights will instead just stay docked in the hubs. If this ends up on TQ, it will kill frig PVP.
you're ******* ******** I like Duncan |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
1039
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:42:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:The training aspect is certainly true. In our first encounter testing it, I whooped Veritas and now he remembers to overheat! I assume he used this knowledge to take down Habakuk this morning Confirming both aspects of this post. CCP Veritas - Technical Director - EVE Online |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
63
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:43:00 -
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Gilgamesh BoShudda wrote:Great, so now when I am flying around in FW lowsec looking for frig fights, instead of finding mostly stabbed and cloaky frigs, I will find ONLY stabbed and cloaky frigs. All of the players who would normally be venturing out into FW systems looking for fun fights will instead just stay docked in the hubs. If this ends up on TQ, it will kill frig PVP.
Not true this sort of system caters to another type of player then FW does there will always be the RP pilots and the guys looking to fight dirty. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
297
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:43:00 -
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So, as a parting gift you decided **** with the core concepts of the game universe you are leaving behind? There was no need for duels to ever be added to Eve and there certainly is no need to for this ****.
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Sierra Payne
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
4
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:43:00 -
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dexington wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship? is this really the crowd you think should be rewarded?, do you really think sugar coated bullshit pvp is going to add anything to the sandbox?
Honestly I see it like the following,
What happens when you're a new player with no experience in PVP yet you want to learn how to be more effective at flying your ships. Your friend invites you to the dojo so that you can practice a bit more before heading out into the wild and PVP properly against all kind of matchups. Suddenly the quality of pilots rises because they learned better how to fly, making your PVP life more challenging and exciting.
Win/Win across the board, provided it's implemented with no rewards or benefits to other people. |
Camper101
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
1016
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:44:00 -
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For the love of god:
Do - not - add - this - to - TQ - EVER.
(For SiSi it seems useful in some cases tho.) 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1121
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:45:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:the end of most rvb activities for a start.
Citation needed.
Seriously, IF this EVER went from a prototype stage, it wouldne come close to killing RvB. We'd just integrate into the toolbox we have and move on. Its useful for 1v1s, useful if ever expanded for tournaments, yet doesnt stop the whole fleet aspect of our pvp, which tend to have 10-50 people per side going at it. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2932
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:47:00 -
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Sierra Payne wrote:dexington wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship? is this really the crowd you think should be rewarded?, do you really think sugar coated bullshit pvp is going to add anything to the sandbox? Honestly I see it like the following, What happens when you're a new player with no experience in PVP yet you want to learn how to be more effective at flying your ships. Your friend invites you to the dojo so that you can practice a bit more before heading out into the wild and PVP properly against all kind of matchups. Suddenly the quality of pilots rises because they learned better how to fly, making your PVP life more challenging and exciting. Win/Win across the board, provided it's implemented with no rewards or benefits to other people.
Surely you get used to these fights, in a completely controlled environment with no way for other people to interfere, meaning that when you try actual PVP, you just die a lot to superior numbers because you still have no idea how ACTUAL pvp works?
Is this one giant troll thread? |
Redry Kidics
Delfus Inc. Brothers of Tangra
27
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:49:00 -
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As a Japanese player, I welcome this system |
Masao Kurata
Z List
78
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:50:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:the end of most rvb activities for a start. Citation needed. Seriously, IF this EVER went from a prototype stage, it wouldne come close to killing RvB. We'd just integrate into the toolbox we have and move on. Its useful for 1v1s, useful if ever expanded for tournaments, yet doesnt stop the whole fleet aspect of our pvp, which tend to have 10-50 people per side going at it.
Okay fine, so you're admitting it'll kill the 1v1s? That's bad enough. And do you REALLY think if this takes of that this will be the end of it? Of course it ******* won't be, next will be fleet arenas. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1123
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:56:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:the end of most rvb activities for a start. Citation needed. Seriously, IF this EVER went from a prototype stage, it wouldne come close to killing RvB. We'd just integrate into the toolbox we have and move on. Its useful for 1v1s, useful if ever expanded for tournaments, yet doesnt stop the whole fleet aspect of our pvp, which tend to have 10-50 people per side going at it. Okay fine, so you're admitting it'll kill the 1v1s? That's bad enough. And do you REALLY think if this takes of that this will be the end of it? Of course it ******* won't be, next will be fleet arenas.
You really are glass half full today arent you just.
As to admitting it'll kil 1v1s. RvB has little 1v1s these days, beyond the odd newbie, or bored vets between fleets. This would reinvigorate the 1v1, make them an actual thing again, beyond us needing to continually hammer home rules/or setup special channels on how 1v1s should be handled. Throw in a way of keeping score, and boom RvB can make an internal ladder utilizing these, giving another competitive aspect to our special kind of pvp.
And seriously you extrapolated all the way to fleet arenas, can I have some of your depression? RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
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