When certain ships were unprobeable (before being patched) they could duel safely in any safespot without fear of interuption.

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I don't have a problem with the dojo idea, but I worrry about abuse. I have not been on the test server to try it, so perhaps this is not an issue. Let's say I have my dojo deployed in my home system. I try to undock, but a hostile Interdictor bubbles the undock. So, my alt and I undock and activate my dojo. What happens? Do my alt and I warp off to my protected Deadspace pocket? If my alt and I are ratting in the same system and a hostile enters local, do I warp to a safe spot for the rest of the timer? Or several variations on this theme...

In short, I am concerned that device, if brought to TQ, will be used to avoid nonconsenual PVP. That would be devastating.

If someone wants to be an honorable space samurai and have fixed 1v1 matches, that is fine by me as long as real ships explode and there are still consequences in Eve.

Yes, but you see, a dojo doesn't provide "tears" or provide any form of sick entertainment for these folks, so it's not acceptable.

You notice that was changed right?

I think you should read the link I sent you.

You said, let me quote :



I then gave you factual data of people having consensual pvp in TQ since 2005 proving you wrong:



Please focus, thank you mate.

You would be able to grab a D-scan of the area without having to undock into a station camp.

f u c k this forums

The first link was to an event I believe was run by CCP in space was cannot access, inwhich case they teleported people there. These things are not available to anyone other than CCP. If not then it took place in space in which I could have attacked them at any point.

The other links all involve areas in which I can interact with them against their will while they PvP. You have provided no evidence to back up your claim.

Are you trolling? It is consensual pvp they both agreed to fight under some conditions (ship size, location, maybe timers?)

This is a joke right?

This seems to be a case of either you trolling or you not understanding what others are sying.

When we talk about consensual PvP we are not talking about what two people decide we are talking about the the whole game. Consensual PvP is when there are mechanics in place that stops others from interacting with you while you run your 1v1. EVE has never has such a mechanic in it before and it is this mechanic that people are against. We don't care if you want to organise a 1v1 with someone we just care about a mechanic being put in place that stops us from interacting with you while you are doing it.

You asked for an example and I provided one.

Your counter was that the example was patched.

By that line of reasoning IF the Dojo was put in place and it was seen to be counter to the games purposes and play then it would be patched. Your faith in Eve and its dev team is appreciated.

Please forward a new objection as you have asked and answered this one and I agree with you on the conclusions.

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Then your definition of consensual pvp is wrong, don't blame me.

What you are trying to say is that since CCP didn't give an option to players to have fair and competitive pvp till now, they shouldn't implement it.

It's as stupid as saying CCP shouldn't have implemented the new Industry UI because we had no good industry UI for years, despite the need for one.

Competitive and fair pvp exist in eve since 2005, just because it's incompatible by design with a specific gameplay in eve (ganking) doesn't mean CCP should leave it under-designed and clunky.

Using the same logic I can say that CCP shouldn't change sov null because bad and clunky sov null is part of eve, same for POS management and anything that need a change.

Drop your self-entitlement, your way to play eve isn't the only way.

You asked for an example and I provided one.

Your counter was that the example was patched.

By that line of reasoning IF the Dojo was put in place and it was seen to be counter to the games purposes and play then it would be patched. Your faith in Eve and its dev team is appreciated.

Please forward a new objection as you have asked and answered this one and I agree with you on the conclusions.

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You are implying that PVP in eve is always equal to a riot after a football match, which is wrong.

Even if it was the case, learning to control your ship and becoming good at stuff like manual piloting, slingshoting etc might save you someday.

I know it might be hard to understand if all you do is log in to jump to a cyno and press F1 but try to focus.

What you are trying to say is that since CCP didn't give an option to players to have fair and competitive pvp till now, they shouldn't implement it.

The real irony here is having you demand a sandbox then in the next sentence demand that everyone elses sandbox be take away.

Also please stop telling both lies and trying to compare totally different things to each other. There has never been a mechanic in place that forces "fair" fights in EVE.

You understand that dojos are destroyable ? You understand that ships will explode ? You understand that ships have to be bought and put in dojos ? You understand that player have to put dojos up ?

Of course you can't interact with the people inside it would be counterproductive since the goal si to provide a competitive and fair environment.

Please try to focus.

no its the difference between rules and no rules, fair fights and one sided fights.

one requires sheer piloting skills, the other takes that as well as awareness of environments and what your up against.

they are both completely different and one doesnt prepare you for the other at all except reminding you to overheat apparently.

calm yourself.

on TQ...

everything you want this for can be satisfied by a non-TQ server.

The goal is for an arena, you can have that without taking away one of the core selling points of EVE from people.

everything you want this for can be satisfied by a non-TQ server.

So you are okay with multiple shards then?

Are you implying that piloting skills are irrelevant to eve online combat? You can't possibly be serious.

Not only that but dojos would teach you a lot about your engagement profiles and what you can do or can't do against certain type of ships and fits.

Good joke tho.

Why do I have to gimp my gameplay and not use TQ just because you don't like it and won't use it?

Using the same logic : is it fair to say to people asking for a better sov null system to go on sisi because fights doesn't matter there?

So you are okay with multiple shards then?

the joke is the idea that this will teach ppl to fight in the sandbox and you thinking that the skills are completely transferable.

who said skills are irrelevant? What im saying is that a skill disadvantage can be mitigated. And thats not a bad thing. PvP in the sandbox is about more than the 5 minutes you spend shooting eachother.

your only thinking on a tactical level and EVE is much more than that.

Yeah in the same way doing karate on a saturday prepares you for a riot after a foot ball match...

another person trying to put words in my mouth rather than actually arguing...

back pedaling is all yours

'of course it won't teach you metagame stuff like "hey this is PL in local they might hotdrop/blob you or hey this solar system is always camped by x pirates, etc"

this kind of 'meta-game' awareness or the ability to form and fund larger fleets are much more likely to allow you to succeed in eve than actual pilot skill. thats what i was saying all along.

if you dont like the riot analogy, change it to a street fight. if all you know is fair fights, set numbers and rules, you arent much cop when anyone can bring any number of weapons and friends to a fight or you can be interrupted at anytime by a third party.