1. yes you can

2. AT has nothing at all to do with what happens on tranq

3. what has this to do with anything?

Point remains, you are stopping me from entering the arena to kill you, this goes against the sandbox.

I want to trade in station all day, you want to gank me what happens? Is eve not a sandbox because you can't gank me? Nice logic.

On the contrary. The whole purpose of the thing is that you enter and (try to) kill me. :-D
Only you have to come without a cyno and/or a 20-man gang.
And actually there could be a fun fight for BOTH parties involved which is rather rare otherwise.

About the sandbox issue:
Are in-game contracts to be condemned? Because the game mechanism guarantees you cannot cheat? (as long as everyone reads the thing)
Is the market to be condemned? Because no one can just steal from the market?
Isn't that completely un-sandboxy???

One of the ways a poster can know he's winning is when the counter-poster guy starts going on about "play styles" and crap lol

We are talking about a CORE ASPECT of EVE Online being mooted. Everyone who plays EVE (and actually likes what it is) should be concerned about this, even if it's 'not something that affects them personally".

In the same way as a PVE player I dislike high sec incursions (though I have partaken in those, an individual should just not be able t make that kind of isk while being protected by CONCORD), as an EVE player in general i don't want to see our game turned into some instanced BS where people are too busy doing 'fair fights' to do anything else.

If you introduce a mechanic that enforces fairness in a game that is BUILT upon the idea that fairness isn't even a thing (ie the 1st 11 years of EVE), you are killing the spirit of that game. Some of you can't see that because IMO you are short sighted. The same Shortsightedness saddled us with Dominion SOV (which man of you LOVED at 1st).

Calmer and smarter heads should prevail here. CCP should keep instancing and Arenas out of the game with the only exception being a few tournament events.

You realize it's childish to hide behind such an argument on a grown folks forum right?

No one cares what you do. This isn't about you anyways. it's about not wanting the developer of this game to violate one of the games core (and founding) principles for any reason some of us like EVE and want it's core to remain intact even as it evolves (as any game must).

You realize that people having their own play style in the EvE sandbox is EvE' s core. It's their entire marketing strategy that you can be, do, act however you want in game. And guess what, if you want to be a ring leader you'd now have the chance....

Mind blown

Then you can setup your little tournaments around the deployable, get all that extra data to look at and analyze (and check for people breaking your tournament's rules)

Guild Wars 2 also never had open world PvP. Both sPvP and WvW are separate game modes that one must elect to enter into.

You realize it's childish to hide behind such an argument on a grown folks forum right?

No one cares what you do. This isn't about you anyways. it's about not wanting the developer of this game to violate one of the games core (and founding) principles for any reason some of us like EVE and want it's core to remain intact even as it evolves (as any game must).

This is fact, as it is with many MMOs. It does not, however, invalidate that the introduction of custom arenas didn't kill World vs. World.

If CCP fix POS, will you complain about POS being easier to use?

I can destroy your target market, and thus the ability for you to profit from it. There is no game mechanic that protects you from this. That is the trading equivalent of ganking someone.

Careful throwing that 'logic' word around when you don't know what it means.

By this logic (as well as some of your previous posts) then wouldn't any program used outside of being logged into the EVE client be a violation of the games core(and founding) principles? I mean by your reasoning, instanced gaming is any situation in which players can interact with game mechanics with zero interference (and risk) from other players.

Jabber lets you play EVE Offline, EVEMon basically give you the advantage for long term skill training and sp optimization. Dotlan provides information on system activity and traffic, allowing you to avoid dangerous systems, EFT allows you to optimize ship fittings without having to physically own the ship, EVE Survival turns PvE into a Prima Game Guide, EVECentral allows you to inspect universe markets as compared to just a region, and yet none of these are made available in the game client, none of these contain an element of risk, and yet every one of these give distinct and significant advantages to players who use them, as compared to the new players.

The fact that WvW ended in the games that did have WvW when they added arenas does make that argument invalid.

You should be able to check the rule requirments BEFORE the fight starts not after or it is a waste of time

All of those tools help you, they do not block people from attacking you which is what these dojos will do.

Why not? Is your F1 key broken?

My guess is that you won't provide statistics because you can't, and that for every game you claim crashed and burned because of this spectre of yours, I could find ex-players who place the blame on issues completely unrelated.

I don't think I've ever had a ship destroyed while I was on dotlan looking for alternate routes through a danger zone and thus blocked someone from atttacking me...

And dojos will allow people to attack you, just one at a time :P (yay humor!)

This is NOT EvE.

No, no you don't, you have ways to gank people within a setup, just like being docked dojos aren't part of that setup.

Do you also complain about not being to gank the AT teams?

You can do that now. Have them fly out in their ships to your safe spot, have the "referee" board each ship and check the fits, then they re-board their ships and go to town. I was talking more about seeing if someone flew past a boundary distance and wasn't noticed during the fight, for instance.

I'm still curious as to why the irrelevant AT and other similar events keep getting brought up.

You realize that people having their own play style in the EvE sandbox is EvE' s core. It's their entire marketing strategy that you can be, do, act however you want in game. And guess what, if you want to be a ring leader you'd now have the chance....

Mind blown

2. Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself

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ThereGÇÖs a personal deployable that you can obtain from item redeption on Duality that when put into space and stocked with ships and modules (itGÇÖs huge), provides players docked in that system with the ability to fight each other with those ships and modules in fair environment.

About the sandbox issue:
Are in-game contracts to be condemned? Because the game mechanism guarantees you cannot cheat? (as long as everyone reads the thing)
Is the market to be condemned? Because no one can just steal from the market?
Isn't that completely un-sandboxy???

This is very similar to an idea I posted about putting toys in the sandbox. As long as the players are running the arena and not an "NPC entity" this opens up options for interactions between the players.

I appreciate the concerns about killing off world PVP BUT this isn't Trammel and more 1 out of every 10 players in UO got beyond "leveling their Raven". EVE is a PVP game where a terrifyingly large portion of the player base already doesn't PEW. Anything that might get a few more people into popping ships is good.