And seriously you extrapolated all the way to fleet arenas, can I have some of your depression?

This would reinvigorate the 1v1, make them an actual thing again, beyond us needing to continually hammer home rules/or setup special channels on how 1v1s should be handled.

In the meantime I would very much like to invite people to give it a spin before they judge too deeply. There's a lot of jumping to conclusions going on in here.

Garmon has a point, for player hosted tournaments it does indeed make sense, but I do see a lot of people just carebearing in the real game then and for their "pewpew" thrills they can use Dojo without risking anything at all.

It will probably kill 1v1

Not true this sort of system caters to another type of player then FW does there will always be the RP pilots and the guys looking to fight dirty.

Yes please!

And for the people who are complaining about this not beeing EvE and beeing against the sandbox: it will just add another layer of PvP. You are not required to participate in it and there will be plenty of people who wont like it.
It just gives the people who are actualy wanting a more skillbased and e-sport directed PvP approach a platform to have exactly that. And i can see a huge benefit for the smaller guy that wants to participate in Tournaments, because they are able to become familiar with the whole system and practice it without that much of an effort.

I hope CCP does look over all the haters and just goes through with it, it wont hurt EvE at all in the end.

If this was an idea proposed by a random EVE player, you'd have a point. It isn't though.

You fail to grasp the concept of slippery slope when you say it isn't on TQ......

Is it people with your intelligence this feature will cater for i wonder?

I think this will cater to exactly the same pilots that FW does. FW offers a chance for players who are new to pvp to find frig fights in a semi-controlled environment (plexes). And as for fighting pilots who fight dirty, what you are saying is that now the ONLY pilots I can get fights from are the ones who will blob me. What a ringing endorsement!

Surely you get used to these fights, in a completely controlled environment with no way for other people to interfere, meaning that when you try actual PVP, you just die a lot to superior numbers because you still have no idea how ACTUAL pvp works?


Is this one giant troll thread?

The people who are worried are the ones who feel this will affect them by removing people who are currently out in low sec looking for fights so yes it will affect even the ones not interested in it.

as for look over all the haters i would be very disappointed in any developer (fozzie) that would ignore those who think they have a bad idea and just push it through anyway

The deployable that contains the ships/modules - is it scannable/shootable?

You seem to miss the point.
Sure, you are totally right if you are judging it on major fleets, but that's NOT what the dojo has been made for. Myself I honestly have no problems with fleet fights, but I struggle in solo-battles because there's a whole different skillset that's relevant to your battle.

Sure, there always will be external factors that influence the outcome. But the idea of a dojo, if properly implemented, would help newer pilots to learn how their ship flies in terms of speed, agility, match ups, transversal/angular/radial velocity etc.

Not only that, but having a system such as this in place, again if done right, could spark a lot more PVP content through player-made tournaments.

You're messing with the entire ~sandbox~ thing. Don't implement this on TQ, please. This is beyond dangerous for the game.

You seem to miss the point.
Sure, you are totally right if you are judging it on major fleets, but that's NOT what the dojo has been made for. Myself I honestly have no problems with fleet fights, but I struggle in solo-battles because there's a whole different skillset that's relevant to your battle.

Sure, there always will be external factors that influence the outcome. But the idea of a dojo, if properly implemented, would help newer pilots to learn how their ship flies in terms of speed, agility, match ups, transversal/angular/radial velocity etc.

Not only that, but having a system such as this in place, again if done right, could spark a lot more PVP content through player-made tournaments.

but this is something they could do even if the dojos are kept off TQ

Please elaborate.

As far as I can see it, provided it's done correctly, this will help the sandbox a lot more in the long run. It will allow you to run your own tournaments, your own competitions and that adds a layer of depth to the game.

True, you could keep it off TQ but only if CCP allows for direct character copying through an interface. I've bought a toon weeks ago and it still hasn't shown up on SiSi for me. This is an issue that needs resolving. Aside of that I think SiSi or Duality wouldn't be the best choices for this functionality purely due to the nature of these servers as being "test" servers.

No you're the one missing the point- tournaments are not "PVP content", they are bullshit. Development of this prototype should have never gotten the slightest flicker of green light in the first place.

Honestly I see it like the following,

What happens when you're a new player with no experience in PVP yet you want to learn how to be more effective at flying your ships. Your friend invites you to the dojo so that you can practice a bit more before heading out into the wild and PVP properly against all kind of matchups. Suddenly the quality of pilots rises because they learned better how to fly, making your PVP life more challenging and exciting.

Win/Win across the board, provided it's implemented with no rewards or benefits to other people.

I think this is great, as long as actual ships are lost when things blow up, I am totally fine with it. All the whining about not being able to interfere with the fights is just nonsense. There are plenty of things in EVE that you cannot interfere with right now, like industry, trading and PI. Where is this magic new requirement that you must be able to screw up what people want to do on their own time coming from?

Greetings Spaceship Fighting Enthusiasts,

There are four strong guiding principles that I applied while doing this:

1. Fights need to be un-screw-with-able. We strongly feel that if whatGÇÖs supposed to be a GÇ£fairGÇ¥ match given a set of predetermined rules is thrown off course by outside influence, it invalidates the whole premise.
2. Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself
3. We should cater as much as possible to the participant that wants a quick, easy PvP fix.
4. Players should run the whole thing, with the game providing no economic value to participants nor organizers