That hurts someone that has to pay for that, it always hurts someone

These services charge people because they go to the effort of moving your stuff for you, no?
If the effort involved increases.... they could always... you know... charge more for their service.

The amount of effort involved to move stuff around isn't dependent on what type of player is moving the stuff lol.
It's just as much work for the individual, even more so. And so the value of moving someone's stuff a long distance increases.
That part of the problem is a non-issue.

If the problem lies with them being cut off from npc pirate space, then it also continue there. The players wanting to move stuff into that space can't move it there with a jump drive either. And again, PushX and Frogs can charge more for moving to that location, or refuse to do the job entirely, if they so choose.

Fixed that for you.

I can see FC's going hey if you were on the OP earlier this week you will have to sit this one out. Or X in fleet if you have fatigue and cant go on todays op..

Suddenly fleet #'s go from 100+ down to 50 or less in seconds.

They should have in fleet window for FC's a check by pilots that cannot jump so fc can kick them from fleet.

Another thought is will TIDI in a big cap fleet affect fatigue, since everything for example is at 10% would a normal 6 minutes to be able to jump turn into 60+ minutes?

-BC

A major goal of this change is to make you not take your supercap that sort of distance on a regular basis. If the changes are making you say "OK, I'm never taking my super long distances ever again", that means they're actually working.

"Actually, it helps everyone and doesn't screw anyone"
There we go

To quote a previous dev from a news story iGÇÖve just been reading I donGÇÖt hold my breath for future iterations of this GÇ£featureGÇ¥ this is also based on previous years of experience with eve and the devs of old and new.



News article

My confidence is at an all time low in the belief that this "feature" will be visited upon any time within the next 5 years and they where working on 6 month schedules.

I see a future of battle rorqs and mass black ops fleets it looks funny but an industrial and a T2 BS projecting force rarther than capitals no that just sounds wrong to me.


If your really set on hitting jump drives hit them ALL before we end up with more "unintended gameplay".

Waits for the tears of the HTFU crowd

Dear CCP in light of the recent suggestions of Long distance Travel changes can I suggest you look more specifically at the cyno mechanic. I think you have seriously overlooked this incredibly important aspect of being able to project forces. a few round table sessions on this specific role would provide a more acceptable way forward.

My like-button is gone from all posts - presumably it's a conspiracy - so I cannot upthumb this. But if I could I would, and if you can you should.

Well, no. See, the game is designed as we know it right now. You guys can blob at your hearts content as of today.

With the changes, and more to the point, the question being asked, Grayscale's reply is correct.
Why should CCP tell you how to adapt to the changes and play the game? Get your alliance leaders to figure that bit out for you. Shed weight if you need to, and move on. Adapt and survive, or die out is what he is saying.

These services charge people because they go to the effort of moving your stuff for you, no?
If the effort involved increases.... they could always... you know... charge more for their service.

The amount of effort involved to move stuff around isn't dependent on what type of player is moving the stuff lol.
It's just as much work for the individual, even more so. And so the value of moving someone's stuff a long distance increases.
That part of the problem is a non-issue.

If the problem lies with them being cut off from npc pirate space, then it also continue there. The players wanting to move stuff into that space can't move it there with a jump drive either. And again, PushX and Frogs can charge more for moving to that location, or refuse to do the job entirely, if they so choose.

Is CCP going to make deep null sec as the wasted land?

You're smoking something good if you think that travel time isn't a consideration.

The ability of APEX FORCE to rapidly move across the map is a major contributing factor to the stagnation of nullsec.

Moreover, the overwhelming majority of complaints about the change is that it hardcaps travel time over long distances.

In which case you're wrong, but hey - let's not let little things like staying true to the original statements we're discussing get in the way of supporting our own viewpoints, shall we?

A major goal of this change is to make you not take your supercap that sort of distance on a regular basis. If the changes are making you say "OK, I'm never taking my super long distances ever again", that means they're actually working.

Lawl..... it works with the Devs, they haven't logged in for ages

The ability of an APEX force to move, yes. But this nerf obliterates the ability of ANY force to move more than one subcap at a time.

Nerfing capitals into the ground is one thing (and that's what you're doing). I'm fine with that. But this is draconian.

More importantly, you're also obliterating so much more that relies on jump bridges, jump engines, and high-volume movement.

You perfectly summed up the point of the changes, which is hindering power projection across the map.

If they really wanted to, they could jack the fitting price way up so BC and above could only manage to fit it

Exactly.

The value the service black/red frog offers just became more valuable not less.

The costs in time will be relayed to their customers in isk, but people will still gladly pay. I will, I know that