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kieron	Posted - 2006.08.22 16:58:00 - [1] The Dragon code update is in the process of being deployed and Tranquility will be available shortly. If you have any issues after the deployment, please check the Known Issues page to see if the Dev Team is already aware of it and submit a bug report. If you are unsure of what has been changed in this patch, please take a look at the Patch Notes page. Please keep feedback constructive and on-topic. Negative or off-topic posts will be removed. The Dev Team will be monitoring this thread throughout the next few days to keep abreast of the patch deployment and status. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Coen DeTormentor M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:02:00 - [2] Would it be possible to get the patch as standalone download now, so we can offload the server startup by preinstalling the patch?
Spyn Veiled Ambition	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:02:00 - [3] Will the client patch be released for http downloading, or will we all be hammering the auto-update for a few hours? :) Oh, and gj on the time estimate.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:02:00 - [4] Love you, kieron. 1st issue of the day, patch not available Ship lovers click here

kieron	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:02:00 - [5] Please do not post to this thread unless it is on-topic and pertinent. Spam or off-topic posts will be removed. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Witchking	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:04:00 - [6] You can work out what the url and exe file name should be for todays patch...but the file isn;t even on the server yet!!!
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:05:00 - [7] stand alone patch would be goode so we can download quicker, autopather always messes up for me BOOBIES!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:06:00 - [8] MOTD on client: "Dry runs uncovered a critical bug, server is estimated to be up at 18:00." --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sprak Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:07:00 - [9] Aye. It would be great if we could get a download now. Would also be great if we were allowed to host a torrent of the file to help remove the strain from the hamsters/gerbils/animalofyourchoicemakingtheservergovroom.
NoNamium	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:08:00 - [10] Dry runs uncovered a showstopper bug, server is estimated to be up at 18:00.<br>Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. See news for details. ??? Does this mean no patch today? a rollback? Thank you for any further information you may provide.


Wrangler	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:10:00 - [11] No, just that they will fix it so DT will last a bit longer. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Leana Torell ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:15:00 - [12] Edited by: Leana Torell on 22/08/2006 17:15:55 I that a server-sided bug or involves this also the patch, wrangler? If no, is there a chance to bring the patch "online" ? this would lower the hammering later when tranq goes online. Regards
Holy Johanna	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:18:00 - [13] one think you can count on: longer downtime at patch days :) Keep the good work CCP
Soren Caldari PAK	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:18:00 - [14] At least forums are back.. half my game-play.. ☠-->-->--
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:26:00 - [15] I wouldent expect you play too much tonight if i was you guys, even when it copmes up i would put 100isk that it gets taken down again early because of some issue. BOOBIES!
Luminara Jedrick Gallente The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:29:00 - [16] any update on when a patch will become available or is it just the full build d/l atm ?? ________________________________________________ The 'Jeddy Bear' Maximum dimensions for signature images are 400w x 120h and 24kb file size. --Jorauk
Zaz'Cha Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Zaz''Cha on 22/08/2006 17:34:23 Downloading patch now via autopatch :) Erm nevermind...switching from Sisi to TQ 4tl
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Zaz'Cha Downloading patch now via autopatch :) make sure its the right one and not the test patch, no autopatch poped up for me yet.
Pabs Sco Caldari Ecosse	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Pabs Sco on 22/08/2006 17:35:11 Status: Incompatable No auto patch ------ Eve-O Recruitment thread
Luminara Jedrick Gallente The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:36:00 - [20] Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again. is all i get when i try, hmm, any ideas? ________________________________________________ The 'Jeddy Bear' Maximum dimensions for signature images are 400w x 120h and 24kb file size. --Jorauk

Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Luminara Jedrick is all i get when i try, hmm, any ideas? Yep, read this thread again. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Luminara Jedrick Gallente The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Zaz'Cha Erm nevermind...switching from Sisi to TQ 4tl hehehe ________________________________________________ The 'Jeddy Bear' Maximum dimensions for signature images are 400w x 120h and 24kb file size. --Jorauk
lpha centurion	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:37:00 - [23] Server is still offline, we have to wait :) I hope there wont be other critical error ...
Marketman	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:37:00 - [24] is the patch in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369494 the one that will be used?
Ciphero KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Luminara Jedrick Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again. is all i get when i try, hmm, any ideas? Waiting for the server to come up is one to try
Zaz'Cha Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Marketman is the patch in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369494 the one that will be used? Thats the Sisi patch, they might changed stuff to it, so i wouldn't recommend you install that one. (like i almost did )
PattayaMan	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:41:00 - [27] Just arrived to Phuket, will the full version get updated aswell or should i continue on the next Singha Beer and try get the full version later today ?
feiht'd'ero	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:44:00 - [28] hi ther ei am running windows xp media edition. i am getting incompatible is this a known issue ? i type in my details to enter the game as this usualy starts the auto patch but i get can not connect.
Witchking	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:45:00 - [29] Edited by: Witchking on 22/08/2006 17:45:20 I'm assuming this will be the patch WHEN it arrives ? http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/evepatch3913-4557.exe As it follows the same naming convention as all the previous ones!
Vertigel Symorain Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:46:00 - [30] May I suggest that CCP includes a link to a torrent file for a standalone client patch/update in the MOTD field, so at least the people that know how to use a .torrent file can take some load away from the update server? Merely tracking a torrent with a couple thousand peers would be a strain, but I would guess it would be less so then uploading tens or hundreds of megabytes to the thousands of players bound to stand ready to update their client at 1800 hours... -VS-

Ozzie Asrail Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:46:00 - [31] Incompatible jsut means the server is on a different version from your client. It'll auto-update once they release the patch i guess. -----
Dari Karr Caldari Jovian Labs	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:57:00 - [32] Any new of wether the server will be up at this new deadline? I really need my EVE fix
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.22 17:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Incompatible jsut means the server is on a different version from your client. It'll auto-update once they release the patch i guess. Notice it doesn't list the server's version number, I think the whole protocol may have changed(requiring a manual download). ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Drazi1 Minmatar Accretion Dynamics C O I N Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:00:00 - [34] Just downloading the patch now , it has not got the version number

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Witchking Edited by: Witchking on 22/08/2006 17:45:20 I'm assuming this will be the patch WHEN it arrives ? http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/evepatch3913-4557.exe As it follows the same naming convention as all the previous ones! Do not install this as we do not know if this will be the version TQ will be running once it comes back up and could potentially lead to patching issues, as for the incompatible issue, that is mearly the login server saying i'm running version XXXX and if your client isn't running that version it will list TQ as incompatible, once the server is up you'll be able to autopatch the EVE client by connecting to TQ. ---

Hooty McBoobs	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:02:00 - [36] While I agree with the "all hands on deck" approach to getting the server up and the client out asap, I would prefer a little more poractive reporting of the situation from the powers that be. 2 misn or so off the new uptime, and still no ptach or server startin up with no further info on the holdups. Dont mind the delays so much as long as we know what is going on (this is a second call for a non tech "patch day PR person" to be on the forums while yelling "is it up yet? How about now?" across to the server room.)
Terra66	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:05:00 - [37] 1900 now.. :(
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:07:00 - [38] Now the ETA is 19:00. I think next patch day you guys should make it 24 hours...it would be better to do it that way, so you always have lots of free time if stuff go wrong, and dont have to have people waiting like this. Ill be back in a few hours... :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

kieron	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:07:00 - [39] The MotD has been updated, we are estimating a return to service of 1900. Further troubleshooting into the issue is underway. Also, do not attempt to patch your play client with the patch for Singularity. Chances are, you will need to do a clean install, as most times the test patches are not compatible with the play server. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Pabs Sco Caldari Ecosse	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Terra66 1900 now.. :( Are you surprised??? The found an issue it needs fixed, tbh I dont expect to play Eve tonight. ------ Eve-O Recruitment thread

Zaldo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:09:00 - [41] They now estimate server will be up at 19:00 Mining all day ^^
DangermanUK	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:10:00 - [42] ^ ditto
Amdushus Palimadore	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:10:00 - [43] Eh it doesn't matter too much to me that we're down right now. Sure I'd like to be running NPC missions for quick ISK but the truth is that I'm just happy I was able to start training a long skill before the down time. In other news, I'm a complete newbie to Eve and on my sixth or so day of the trial. I've fallen for the game hard and will be upgrading my account to "Giving CCP My Money" status later today! Everyone has been very helpful and the "community" aspect of this game is truly impressive - which is why this is the only MMO that has ever appealed to me.
Mezime Amarr Divine Order	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:11:00 - [44] Just wait a few minutes .. hours.. then it runs , or not ^^
Zangets	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:16:00 - [45] I hope this aint standart that u take 10 hours for a Patch.
Emperor D'Hoffryn Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:17:00 - [46] Patch day is always hectic, and issues always crop up. If this fixes the server issues we've been having for the past 2 weeks, then its well worth it. Only suggestion I have is alerting players through some ingame means about the upcoming patch. Surprising few players read the forums, I mean come on, and alot are caught by surprise on patch day. Happened to me once when I was very young, and it was how i discovered the forums, only after I lost some 18 hours of training time. perhaps an EVEmail starting a week before patch day? Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Mezime Amarr Divine Order	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:18:00 - [47] Someone sayd " never play on patchday " i¦ll bet 1 hour more then 19:00 ^^
Nosferatu Zodd Black-Sun	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Xorus Originally by: Witchking Edited by: Witchking on 22/08/2006 17:45:20 I'm assuming this will be the patch WHEN it arrives ? http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/evepatch3913-4557.exe As it follows the same naming convention as all the previous ones! Do not install this as we do not know if this will be the version TQ will be running once it comes back up and could potentially lead to patching issues, as for the incompatible issue, that is mearly the login server saying i'm running version XXXX and if your client isn't running that version it will list TQ as incompatible, once the server is up you'll be able to autopatch the EVE client by connecting to TQ. Hehe, EVE-players, they'll allways find a solution to the problem -------------------------------------------------------
HelenKW	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:19:00 - [49] I'm sorry to say, but there has to be some major concern if code testing and quaility assurance failed this badly. We wait all day and yet again are plauged with delays because someone screwed up. As much as I love this game, time and again we are let dow. I hope some form of compensation is in the offing for us players (the ones that PAY to play) because of someones lack of attention to detail.
Cozmoss	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:19:00 - [50] Edited by: Cozmoss on 22/08/2006 18:19:45 Originally by: Zangets I hope this aint standart that u take 10 hours for a Patch. Keep hoping..

Emperor D'Hoffryn Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:21:00 - [51] Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 22/08/2006 18:22:35 The patches and new content is free. That is your compensation. And has been stated before, its impossible to perfectly test EVERYTHING before you deploy, simply because you cannot simulate the full server load. I had high hopes this time, cause this code has been running in China for some time. I suspect the problem lies in the different server hardware config, which they also cannot test on SISI, as its not a full duplicate of tranq. relax, it will be over soon. Go outside and discover the sun while you wait. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Zangets I hope this aint standart that u take 10 hours for a Patch. These big patches only happen every six months or so. I wouldn't worry.
Zangets	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:23:00 - [53] You actualy now how it looks for a new player who just payd his first bill when he reads stuff like "i lost 18 hours of skilltime" or "next time do it 24 hours". Ah whatever CCP will be at the GamesConvention maybe i get my money back if this is a normal issue.
Agent Smythe	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:23:00 - [54] Originally by: HelenKW I'm sorry to say, but there has to be some major concern if code testing and quaility assurance failed this badly. We wait all day and yet again are plauged with delays because someone screwed up. As much as I love this game, time and again we are let dow. I hope some form of compensation is in the offing for us players (the ones that PAY to play) because of someones lack of attention to detail. Stop whining, they will sort it when they sort it!
Sauron Thule	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:26:00 - [55] Originally by: HelenKW I'm sorry to say, but there has to be some major concern if code testing and quaility assurance failed this badly. We wait all day and yet again are plauged with delays because someone screwed up. As much as I love this game, time and again we are let dow. I hope some form of compensation is in the offing for us players (the ones that PAY to play) because of someones lack of attention to detail. Let's say the server is offline 4 hours more than supposed to, and you pay around 15 euro's a month...that's 50 cents a day... wow you want a credit request of about 8 cents? honestly, things can go wrong. so far I haven't had much problems with EvE so I'm not worried about it much. And I don't ask credit for 8 cents of play time.

kieron	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:26:00 - [56] I've updated my original post with some information regarding the deployment issue and will continue to do so as information becomes available. Currently, the server cluster does not start up as it should. Oddly enough, this issue has not presented itself in any of the other CCP servers. Rest assured the Dev team is doing everything they can to bring Tranquility back to service. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:27:00 - [57] Originally by: HelenKW I'm sorry to say, but there has to be some major concern if code testing and quaility assurance failed this badly. We wait all day and yet again are plauged with delays because someone screwed up. The code has been run on the China cluster. The code has been run on Singularity. They have found a bug running on Tranquility. Given that the bug only manifests itself on Tranquility, how do you propose that code testing should be done? I know someone's going to jump in at some point and say "I'm a professional and we would be shot if our code did this, we have five nines uptime, yadda yadda". Tough. CCP is still a relatively small organisation looking after a million or so lines of code. We could probably help things by inflating the subscription fees, but I'd rather not do that. Relax. Pretend that downtime was scheduled to last until 0800 tomorrow. Let CCP fix things. Or go and find an MMO with better quality assurance.
Sonho	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Zangets You actualy now how it looks for a new player who just payd his first bill when he reads stuff like "i lost 18 hours of skilltime" or "next time do it 24 hours". Ah whatever CCP will be at the GamesConvention maybe i get my money back if this is a normal issue. Maybe you could read the news item?Them forums?Read in the help channel?
Pabs Sco Caldari Ecosse	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:28:00 - [59] Originally by: HelenKW I'm sorry to say, but there has to be some major concern if code testing and quaility assurance failed this badly. We wait all day and yet again are plauged with delays because someone screwed up. As much as I love this game, time and again we are let dow. I hope some form of compensation is in the offing for us players (the ones that PAY to play) because of someones lack of attention to detail. Did you read the DEV blog??? The problem is that TQ has a 2.5 - 3yr old SQL server full of data, even on the Chinese server (that is using this code) could not prdict whats happening. The trouble is that there has to be a SQL database maintanance and updats of a RUNNING server, this is difficult to do at the best of time, you probably could get the patch up and running in 1 hour, but then that would only work if there was a clean database, you do not want to lose all your skills, chars etc.. would you?? You can not test every possibility, that is VERY costly and would take a very very long time (I have worked in software testing , I know) The thing is, be patient, chill out, Eve will return soon(tm) ------ Eve-O Recruitment thread
Fools Paradise Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:28:00 - [60] Last big patch they gave us a free day coughhintcough

Cozmoss	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:29:00 - [61] Well at least they have found the problem now.. Not just crit error. So 19OO looks good if they can fix it.
Wooley Lemming	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:29:00 - [62] Originally by: HelenKW I'm sorry to say, but there has to be some major concern if code testing and quaility assurance failed this badly. We wait all day and yet again are plauged with delays because someone screwed up. As much as I love this game, time and again we are let dow. I hope some form of compensation is in the offing for us players (the ones that PAY to play) because of someones lack of attention to detail. Always one idiot, that has too come up with this Response.. it happens every patch date. Im actually crying with laughter, at the reimbursal bit.. because he missed out on 2 hours mining tear.
Ascrethy	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:31:00 - [63] Edited by: Ascrethy on 22/08/2006 18:33:23 19:00 cry for anyone in the UK that's 20:00 btw as we're running on +1 atm ..... as for the compensation lark, maybe if your a good little girl/boy EvE claus will come down the jump gate at christmas, and wtf pwn you with he tech II santa sled.
Sean Dillon Caldari Shadows of the Dead Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:31:00 - [64] Status: Incompatible I am running XP home edition, will this cause any problems at 7 pm?
Canute Minealot	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:32:00 - [65] Originally by: kieron The MotD has been updated, we are estimating a return to service of 1900. Further troubleshooting into the issue is underway. Did you notice the MotD is much longer then the MotD Box, and you can't scroll down at the box ?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn perhaps an EVEmail starting a week before patch day? Great idea :)

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:33:00 - [67] Originally by: Sean Dillon Status: Incompatible I am running XP home edition, will this cause any problems at 7 pm? No this just means your game client is a different version to the server, its nothing to worry about and will autopatch once the server is back up. ---

jihaddi	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:34:00 - [68] Originally by: Sauron Thule Let's say the server is offline 4 hours more than supposed to, and you pay around 15 euro's a month...that's 50 cents a day... wow you want a credit request of about 8 cents? honestly, things can go wrong. so far I haven't had much problems with EvE so I'm not worried about it much. And I don't ask credit for 8 cents of play time. [/quote that's not really the point is it tho' sauron? here's the deal: i hand over Çx to CCP, and they in return grant me y months of game time. if the server is unavailable for reasons outside ccp's control - well unlucky they have sympathies - but i still want the amount of time i paid for. if the unthinkable happened and the server was away for 48hrs, then 48hrs more is what i want from ccp. that doesn't _really_ cost ccp anyhting, but makes us feel loved as a ccp customer more likely to extend subscriptiosn etc. it's not the _cost_ (Ç.08 as u say) which is important to me or ccp, IT'S THE TIME. as someone pointed out blizzard do this for wow, and i miss that here (on eve) jh
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:35:00 - [69] Originally by: Zangets You actualy now how it looks for a new player who just payd his first bill when he reads stuff like "i lost 18 hours of skilltime" or "next time do it 24 hours". Ah whatever CCP will be at the GamesConvention maybe i get my money back if this is a normal issue. Oh pls its not like downloading a OS patch for christ sake (and the last MS patch I downloaded screwed my browser). Issues happen, deal with it... A lot of under the hood changes are being applied in this patch to make the server more stable... CCP can't run a full load test till it hits TQ...The upgrade finish times are a ETA as in Estimated Time of Arrivail, not a gold plated certainty... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Ehrys Marakai Caldari Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:35:00 - [70] Edited by: Ehrys Marakai on 22/08/2006 18:35:13 I know people complain because of all this downtime, but it's really not as bad as other MMO's For example; 1. The Dev's here tell you the truth about what's going on. Please tell me an occassion where Blizzard hasn't either covered it up or denied all knowledge that it's servers are down/faulty. It's always your fault (the client) and is probably your ISP too. (When in the real world of software developing, please give an example when more than 70% of projects are released, to a usually stable working version within the project budget and deadline) 2. TQ is a single clustered server for a huge database of players. It has the record of being the largest single sharded MMO in the world. Although other MMO's have many shards, the servers don't have to deal with as much data in real time. 3. 10 hours for a patch, maybe a day for new content. Deal with it, it's free after all and 9 times out of 10 the devs will warn you when it's coming and say "Set a long skill training!!". If they screw up REAL bad (ie. rollbacks etc, to which I recall there only ever being a single one during my 2 years of play) there's usually some type of compensation along with an apology. Do any other MMO's give you content expansions for free? Do any other MMO's offer compensation after they rollback their data sometimes weeks/months at a time? The devs at CCP work hard to achieve what we have here and you guys throw it back in their faces. How ungrateful is that?

Serok	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:35:00 - [71] I want to see a "professional" say they could deploy something like the EVE server better than CCP does it, to the one of a kind cluster it runs on, and then I want to see proof in writing. There are thousands of people who pay alot more per month for their software, have more problems, and worse customer service than any of you are going to experience here. Hell, if you don't have the patience for something like this, you probably don't need to be playing EVE anyway. Keep up the good work CCP. Some of us understand and appreciate it. Thanks.
Cozmoss	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Ascrethy Edited by: Ascrethy on 22/08/2006 18:33:23 19:00 cry for anyone in the UK that's 20:00 btw as we're running on +1 atm ..... as for the compensation lark, maybe if your a good little girl/boy EvE claus will come down the jump gate at christmas, and wtf pwn you with he tech II santa sled. Thanks for that.. Iwas running around changing all my clocks.
Cozmoss	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Ehrys Marakai Edited by: Ehrys Marakai on 22/08/2006 18:35:13 I know people complain because of all this downtime, but it's really not as bad as other MMO's For example; 1. The Dev's here tell you the truth about what's going on. Please tell me an occassion where Blizzard hasn't either covered it up or denied all knowledge that it's servers are down/faulty. It's always your fault (the client) and is probably your ISP too. (When in the real world of software developing, please give an example when more than 70% of projects are released, to a usually stable working version within the project budget and deadline) 2. TQ is a single clustered server for a huge database of players. It has the record of being the largest single sharded MMO in the world. Although other MMO's have many shards, the servers don't have to deal with as much data in real time. 3. 10 hours for a patch, maybe a day for new content. Deal with it, it's free after all and 9 times out of 10 the devs will warn you when it's coming and say "Set a long skill training!!". If they screw up REAL bad (ie. rollbacks etc, to which I recall there only ever being a single one during my 2 years of play) there's usually some type of compensation along with an apology. Do any other MMO's give you content expansions for free? Do any other MMO's offer compensation after they rollback their data sometimes weeks/months at a time? The devs at CCP work hard to achieve what we have here and you guys throw it back in their faces. How ungrateful is that? Could not agree more..
HuntKillBury Fin	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:36:00 - [74] Originally by: Ascrethy as for the compensation lark, maybe if your a good little girl/boy EvE claus will come down the jump gate at christmas, and wtf pwn you with he tech II santa sled. Ah, so THAT'S what the snowball launcher is for! Faction sled with twin launchers and T2 reindeer pooh?
Ivana Humpal0t	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:37:00 - [75] Originally by: PattayaMan Just arrived to Phuket, will the full version get updated aswell or should i continue on the next Singha Beer and try get the full version later today ? I got really bad sunburn in Phuket, my poor nose.
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:38:00 - [76] Never expect Eve to be up and running as expected on patch day. If it is be pleasently suprised. I have seen it happen once. However I would expect Eve to be up and running within the next 3 hours. have only seen it be down longer than that once. I'm just suprised CCP does not jsut say on patch days they will be down 24 hours and plesently surprise people when they are up in 8 or 12 . Would probably hear a lot less crying. PS as for teh people who did not see there was going to be a patch... Get glasses. After you log in and right before you click your character there is a section labled News.... guess what is was in there.
Cletus Graeme Caldari Mordu's Elite	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Serok I want to see a "professional" say they could deploy something like the EVE server better than CCP does it, to the one of a kind cluster it runs on, and then I want to see proof in writing. There are thousands of people who pay alot more per month for their software, have more problems, and worse customer service than any of you are going to experience here. Hell, if you don't have the patience for something like this, you probably don't need to be playing EVE anyway. Keep up the good work CCP. Some of us understand and appreciate it. Thanks. Well said. /signed Now go rent a DVD or something for a change you social lowlifers
fekless	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:39:00 - [78] auto patch smortopatch bah never works for me please realease the downloadable version
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:41:00 - [79] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 22/08/2006 18:42:34 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 22/08/2006 18:42:04 Originally by: Pabs Sco Did you read the DEV blog??? The problem is that TQ has a 2.5 - 3yr old SQL server full of data (...) A 3 year SQL DB is a (very, very)¦¦¦¦¦¦ young database, mate. Anyway I agree with you. Patience... Cool... Relax... IRL is a better game than EVE, you know...
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:43:00 - [80] just a suggestion to all the whining idiots demanding compensation how about we compensate you by war dec'ing you and your corp mates for your stupidity ! just STFU, chill out, you could even try out this game while you wait, it got a good review on gamespot.com 9.6 ! If you continue to be a baby with your whinging, whining, crappy self centred posts then be prepared for a evemail from concord.

Dwaggysnaxx	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:44:00 - [81] Originally by: Zangets You actualy now how it looks for a new player who just payd his first bill when he reads stuff like "i lost 18 hours of skilltime" or "next time do it 24 hours". Ah whatever CCP will be at the GamesConvention maybe i get my money back if this is a normal issue. People that have said they've "lost" training time are themselves at fault, as they didnt start a long skill to train on patch day. Patch days are always patchy, i dont think i've ever had a smooth running one that wasnt a minor one (and even those are sometimes bumpy)
HuntKillBury Fin	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Jet Collins Never expect Eve to be up and running as expected on patch day. If it is be pleasently suprised. I have seen it happen once. However I would expect Eve to be up and running within the next 3 hours. have only seen it be down longer than that once. I'm just suprised CCP does not jsut say on patch days they will be down 24 hours and plesently surprise people when they are up in 8 or 12 . Yes, I agree. Especially the bit about the 24hrs thing. I'm sure they fully expected to be up and running by now, but hey, no big deal. I have no clue whatsoever about techie IT stuff, so am happy in my ignorance. But if they DID say it's gonna be down for 24hrs, that the mod's would have an easier time, the techie dudes could take their time and not feel rushed into getting the game back online and when everybody does log back in, the site will be working properly. Because I can read it all now that when it does go up and then back down again [as it prolly will, and as I am told, that's quite normal] then there will be those in here absolutely apoplectic with rage and claims for compensation, etc, etc.... The 24hr suggestion gets my vote - and I get withdrawal after 10mins of DT.
Beany	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:47:00 - [83] Originally by: Ehrys Marakai Edited by: Ehrys Marakai on 22/08/2006 18:35:13 I know people complain because of all this downtime, but it's really not as bad as other MMO's For example; 1. The Dev's here tell you the truth about what's going on. Please tell me an occassion where Blizzard hasn't either covered it up or denied all knowledge that it's servers are down/faulty. It's always your fault (the client) and is probably your ISP too. (When in the real world of software developing, please give an example when more than 70% of projects are released, to a usually stable working version within the project budget and deadline) 2. TQ is a single clustered server for a huge database of players. It has the record of being the largest single sharded MMO in the world. Although other MMO's have many shards, the servers don't have to deal with as much data in real time. 3. 10 hours for a patch, maybe a day for new content. Deal with it, it's free after all and 9 times out of 10 the devs will warn you when it's coming and say "Set a long skill training!!". If they screw up REAL bad (ie. rollbacks etc, to which I recall there only ever being a single one during my 2 years of play) there's usually some type of compensation along with an apology. Do any other MMO's give you content expansions for free? Do any other MMO's offer compensation after they rollback their data sometimes weeks/months at a time? The devs at CCP work hard to achieve what we have here and you guys throw it back in their faces. How ungrateful is that? i agree too and also if you look on the net WoW is releasing an expansion pack next month and guess what thats gonna cost ya about 25 quid so free expansions is sweet in my eyes
HuntKillBury Fin	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:51:00 - [84] Originally by: Zaphod Jones just a suggestion to all the whining idiots demanding compensation how about we compensate you by war dec'ing you and your corp mates for your stupidity ! just STFU, chill out, you could even try out this game while you wait, it got a good review on gamespot.com 9.6 ! If you continue to be a baby with your whinging, whining, crappy self centred posts then be prepared for a evemail from concord. Lmao! Ooooh, you Black Reign boys are mean bad@assed dudes. Loved the line about war-deccing. Quality. However, something tells me you'll need to recruit to dec' all those in here who've dropped their rattles.
Vireya Irillia Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:52:00 - [85] so many moaners on here!!! relax, have a cup of coffee, just think of it this way.... its the first step on the path to kali... ... which means more ships, more careers, more contracts etc etc... you wont be wingeing once you have those!!! wise man once said "patience is virtue"
Vyvyan Molgrin	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:53:00 - [86] Couple of random thoughts, does the server block ping requests? Also, does the fact I can no longer reach the server suggest either we are about to be delayed another hour, or just my connection is gubbed?
Cozmoss	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:56:00 - [87] It's nice to see the applauding for CCP out weighs the whinning.. I've played EvE on and off from when i was a beta tester. This game is still the best mmo game i have ever played and thats why i always come back to it..
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2006.08.22 18:57:00 - [88] Originally by: Serok I want to see a "professional" say they could deploy something like the EVE server better than CCP does it, to the one of a kind cluster it runs on, and then I want to see proof in writing. Well... No advertising and no spam... Well.. Well... Sorry :) "I Be Mastaaaa" can, as most of "Congrats I Surely Completly Owns Systems" can or "No Endofstory Corpo" can also... But they all earns billions of cash a day. Relax... Go watch a film or something and come back tonigh or tomorow, you will not experience massive log-in lag and "oops sorry wrong patch" things that can happen. :p We can all be 200% sure all techies at CCP are working like beasts and i'd like to cheers them all for that, gl guys :)
Vyvyan Molgrin	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:11:00 - [89] In response to my own questions there, the server does not block ping requests. (getting responses of about 1-1.5 secs) Not come to any conclusion about the not able to reach the server for a period there other than possibly a restart. I am surprised that they allow us to ping it, but hey, that is just me trying to think my way out of boredom, gonna put on a film now and check back every 10 or so minutes. Heh, want to say guys I am truly gratefull that you are giving me the chance to start my trial (well day 3 anyway) with a brand-spanking new patch! Ta muchly and keep up the gorgeous work! Also, to all you whinging folks out there, I deal with your sort every day, you do nothing but upset us, be pleasant and we will be more helpful! (work at Tech Support for Blueyonder Broadband)
Hilder	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:11:00 - [90] Edited by: Hilder on 22/08/2006 19:13:54

Maior Interfeci Caldari NovaeDyne Industries	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:11:00 - [91] Hopefully this new patch they are about to release allows Tranquility to come up for us all. (v2.13.4558) The MOTD is working on Singularity. Keep up the good work CCP, I know wrestling around in that code can be a pain.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:11:00 - [92] says 20.30 now.
Hilder	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:12:00 - [93] Estimated time 20:30
Eis Bachs Karnival of Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:14:00 - [94] Expected uptime 2030 according to client

kieron	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:14:00 - [95] Unfortunately, we have had to delay the estimated return of TQ to 2030. The server start-up issue is being trickier than expected to track down. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience and loss of game play time. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Andrew Redburn Caldari adeptus gattacus	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:16:00 - [96] well, somehow during when the message was still 19:30 and shortly after the message that the server does not accept any connections, I installed Patch 4557 via autoupdate. Unfortunatly the server seems now to have another new version but no patch available yet. Anyway I am going to download the latest full client just in case there is no 4557-4558 when the server gets back online.
Nomad2k	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:17:00 - [97] Originally by: Serok I want to see a "professional" say they could deploy something like the EVE server better than CCP does it, to the one of a kind cluster it runs on, and then I want to see proof in writing. There are thousands of people who pay alot more per month for their software, have more problems, and worse customer service than any of you are going to experience here. Hell, if you don't have the patience for something like this, you probably don't need to be playing EVE anyway. Keep up the good work CCP. Some of us understand and appreciate it. Thanks. He's right ya know, I play another game called Battlefield 2, well i did until their latest patch ( v1.3 ) killed the game for me completely, that was over a month ago, last week they said v1.4 would be released but then they guffed it up an hour before it was supposed to launch, still waiting for it. So 8 - 10 hell 24 hours wait aint nuthing really And no....i didnt start a long skill......the nubber that i is
Seproth	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:18:00 - [98] doesnt matter ... backuping 2 TB of data on my own servers... this will also take some time, and my services are "paused" as well during that procedure. Never had a customer who complained about that. PS: ps aux \| grep eve*
Onin Ra Trail of Tears	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:20:00 - [99] Originally by: Ehrys Marakai I know people complain because of all this downtime, but it's really not as bad as other MMO's I dont wanna sound like a whiny *****, but this is bollox ~~ Last mmo i play was Dark age of camelot, and last expansion was deployed in 4hours period as it was expected and there were no lag problems after what so ever. Get a clue tbh, or else you will end up sounding like a fanboi. k, now back to looking at eve login screen >.> --- First pvp expirience in eve is alot like having first sex, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing, but it is exciting and one way or another its over way too fast.
Mezime Amarr Divine Order	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:21:00 - [100] i bet on 23:00 who wants to bet a littl bit more ?

Taurgil Balanced Unity	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:21:00 - [101] Edited by: Taurgil on 22/08/2006 19:24:31 As said, Eve Updates and Extension (as Tech2 Ships or new feats or something the like could be called) are for free in Eve, which is not the case in every other MMOG. So a little patience can be expected. However, it would also be fine if the servers would up till 22:00 GMT.
El'Tar Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:22:00 - [102] GREAT! JUST GREAT!.... a day without EvE... makes me rather annoyed... atleast DAoC offered an extra day to ur subscription in times like these :/ Proud citizen of ASCN
Kaz Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:24:00 - [103] 20:30. Just enough time to go and cook a meal and watch an episode or two of the simpsons... By the way, we love ya CCP! Thanks for the updates :)
Raquel Smith Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:24:00 - [104] You guys are addicts.
Kalearne	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:25:00 - [105] A quick note to those asking for compensation, please check the terms and conditions that you AGREED to when you signed up. Just because you havent read them doesnt mean they dont apply. A quick suggestion though, maybe it would help everyones EVE withdrawl if the patch ETA was massively overestimated, for instance the initial estimate being a two day offline, that way you can happily reduce the time if it goes smooth but people know to expect a long delay.
Sgt Blade Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:27:00 - [106] when will the full client be available to download once the server is back up, jsut say my eve got borked and cant seem to get the old one back up
MaInAmIgO	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:28:00 - [107] Heres an idea for you at CCP. Trick us into thinking that the server will be up much later than you expect then suprise us by bringing it up early. Brilliant!!
Bahlan	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:29:00 - [108] Originally by: Kalearne A quick note to those asking for compensation, please check the terms and conditions that you AGREED to when you signed up. Just because you havent read them doesnt mean they dont apply. A quick suggestion though, maybe it would help everyones EVE withdrawl if the patch ETA was massively overestimated, for instance the initial estimate being a two day offline, that way you can happily reduce the time if it goes smooth but people know to expect a long delay. waw... talk about worst suggestions in the universe...
Ziwer	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:29:00 - [109] I just hope EvE is up in the morning... I just can't cope I hav just returned from Doctors. He has given me some pills to get me thru the rest of the day !
Ascrethy	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:30:00 - [110] so that's 21:30 then BAH. also forums are screwed it's taking nearly 40 mins for a post to submit 20:20 this one (19:20 non uk)

Live Eye	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:30:00 - [111] Here's hoping the dragon rolls over and dies!... Live Eye
Onin Ra Trail of Tears	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:31:00 - [112] btw, imho ccp should seriously consider putting patch for upload in couple of days before patch deployment, i think it would resolve after-patch-lagging-problems-when-20k-users-try-to-download-patch ~~ --- First pvp expirience in eve is alot like having first sex, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing, but it is exciting and one way or another its over way too fast.
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari The Collective Order	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:31:00 - [113] I for one wanna thank the guys at CCP... I am sure they understand our frustrations and are doing all they can to rectify the situation. As someone earlier said, have a coffee, read the paper... watch some TV. We'd be far more upset if they released a half baked product that crashed every 5 minutes. And at least one of the CCP guys is keeping us posted with developments. It'll take as long as it takes and thats that. Look at it this way: 'Yesterday it worked, today it doesn't. Computers are like that' Keep up the good work CCP dudes!! Light is faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them.
Trance Valentine	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Zaphod Jones just a suggestion to all the whining idiots demanding compensation how about we compensate you by war dec'ing you and your corp mates for your stupidity ! just STFU, chill out, If you continue to be a baby with your whinging, whining, crappy self centred posts then be prepared for a evemail from concord. Not a pleasent response, perhaps you should take your own advice and chill mate..tis a game after all. People can say whatever they wish, youve no need to read them, you know there would be plenty of comments like those that have made you angry. I dont agree with most, but why would a start to threaten? Ive spent the last 2 hours sorting my garden out, it needed it, so ive filled my time. Sure im hacked off with waiting, but if id got a kind of reply from you like that, id wonder who the angry one really is....
Heine Borel	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:32:00 - [115] Originally by: Raquel Smith You guys are addicts. Ya think? /me smacks arm looking for a vein
NeuSire	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:36:00 - [116] There was an unexpected error while retrieving patch status: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'read' this is one error or so for me .
Oz Borne	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:38:00 - [117] God you whiners get on my nerves, climb down from the walls and realise CCP are working on a patch deployment - do you really have such empty RL lives that you cant deal without a game for 1 day while CCP deploy a patch to improve things. Thanks for the updates Kieron, good luck with finding the problem.
Legende Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:41:00 - [118] I read a footnote once that estimated the number of possible states a program that takes up 16MB of RAM can have is substantially more than the number of particles in the universe [believe it was in my "Rootkits" book]. I wouldn't even want to begin to wonder how many possible states EVE could be in. If anyone here that is complaining knows how to test every possible state every patch to find those serious flaws that were missed by QA, I'm sure CCP would love to offer you a job. If not, however, you have no right to complain. So shut up, kick back, grab a beer and watch a movie. It's patch day, you should have known better than to think you were going to play today. Even assuming a smooth deployment, you still have the hammering of download servers to get the patch. It's going to be awhile. Chill.
Yello1	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:44:00 - [119] Ok so 2130... Quote: Yes, Im THAT Yello1
NightFly Sneaky Weasel Industries	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:45:00 - [120] Edited by: NightFly on 22/08/2006 20:45:52 I'm thinking more like 23:00 :D

Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:45:00 - [121] Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre Ho hum... The critical bug was not fixed, more investigation required, estimated to open at 21:30. Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. 2130, hmm. That sounds like a reasonable timeframe. Gives them over a century to sort things out ;). Auctioning a rare item, the only remote HULL repairers in the game. Don't miss out, this chance won't come again.
brokeneagle 1 Caldari Under Heavy Fire Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:45:00 - [122] Hey Guys listen to Kieron, don't use test updates, i say that because the test server singularity is down too, it's got bugs
entaru adun	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:45:00 - [123] hey i keep getting asked to downlaod the patch when i try to connect,and when i click yes nothing happens,and i've also got the messgae that the critical bug was fixed and it should be back soon
Taurgil Balanced Unity	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:47:00 - [124] Originally by: entaru adun hey i keep getting asked to downlaod the patch when i try to connect,and when i click yes nothing happens,and i've also got the messgae that the critical bug was fixed and it should be back soon I was asked by the client also! Fortunately i canceled due to the MOTD.
Yoko Sama	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:47:00 - [125] The critical bug was not fixed, more investigation required, estimated to open at 21:30. Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. "crys"
Grainsalt Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:48:00 - [126] Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre Ho hum... The critical bug was not fixed, more investigation required, estimated to open at 21:30. Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. ~Watches Most Haunted on TV....~ Oh I dunno.. Most Haunted has lost it's appeal recently... I am watching Celebrity Love Island which I have to say is alot better scripted Um.. sorry ... off topic --- For T2 Tinfoil Hats, contact Grainsalt ingame.
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:49:00 - [127] Good thing I have a job to keep me distracted until things are up and running.
Major Dim Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:49:00 - [128] i smell a rollback...
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:49:00 - [129] DT well over 12 hours now. I guess we wont get any time back..... ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech-
quayde	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:50:00 - [130] Originally by: Maria Ravenwind Well its been changed to 2130. Thats fine, but can we get the patch yet so I can jump on as soon as the server is up? ROFL!!! Ok, anyone need any popcorn? HI CORP!

Nosferatoo Martok	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:50:00 - [131] I'm finding this extensive downtime totally unacceptable. Haven't CCP ever heard of testing?!?! Unsatisfied customer+1.
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:52:00 - [132] Originally by: Nosferatoo Martok Uninformed customer+1. Fixed it for you. Read the other posts in the thread. They've already explained many a time why you are incorrect. ---------- My sig is boring.
5had0wrunn3r	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:52:00 - [133] Be careful when starting the EVE client. Mine has just tried to autopatch with the test patch!! Good job I noticed lol.
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:52:00 - [134] What's Match of the Day got to do with anything? ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech-
Brixer	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:56:00 - [135] ShadowRunnah! To late.. hehe. But it's the same build as the server (for now) I still have a copy of the 'old' EVE directory if things go haywire here.
Rikthur	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:57:00 - [136] So the auto patch its offering is the test one? what happens if you wasnt smart enough to notice that?
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:57:00 - [137] Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again. i keep getting this
Inspiration	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:57:00 - [138] Originally by: Yello1 Ok so 2130... LMAO, I love these almost done last minute things.....better keep cola and piza ready....its gona be a long long night! It will cost me some standing due to missions expiering, but hey, this amusement is certainly worth it.
Aieran	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:59:00 - [139] Originally by: Nosferatoo Martok I'm finding this extensive downtime totally unacceptable. Haven't CCP ever heard of testing?!?! Unsatisfied customer+1. This is a GAME kid, you're not the only one waiting for the server to come back up. Find new things to do, explore the outdoors, live your life outside the computer chair
Kershon	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:59:00 - [140] Originally by: Nosferatoo Martok I'm finding this extensive downtime totally unacceptable. Haven't CCP ever heard of testing?!?! Unsatisfied customer+1. This is a GAME kid, you're not the only one waiting for the server to come back up. Find new things to do, explore the outdoors, live your life outside the computer chair

Abyss Jack Serial Chill3rz	Posted - 2006.08.22 20:59:00 - [141] im sry, but this forum lags like hell so i double posted. It worked befor so i thought it will be fine
Alise Valentine	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:01:00 - [142] How you guys got it fixed fast.. can't wait... allthough.. ow no I've been waiting all day! I can't take it anylonger.. please hurry!!
litle angel	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:02:00 - [143] thats the test patch
Selestaya	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:03:00 - [144] 10pm - Server still not up?
Hairtrigger Sanguine Legion Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:03:00 - [145] what a joke, CCp couldnt organise a **** up in a brewery
Paul Atradiese	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:04:00 - [146] Originally by: Nosferatoo Martok I'm finding this extensive downtime totally unacceptable. Haven't CCP ever heard of testing?!?! Idiot who didnt set a long skill training +1. fixed
Katrana Fordring Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:04:00 - [147] Quote: that's not really the point is it tho' sauron? here's the deal: i hand over Çx to CCP, and they in return grant me y months of game time. if the server is unavailable for reasons outside ccp's control - well unlucky they have sympathies - but i still want the amount of time i paid for. if the unthinkable happened and the server was away for 48hrs, then 48hrs more is what i want from ccp. that doesn't _really_ cost ccp anyhting, but makes us feel loved as a ccp customer more likely to extend subscriptiosn etc. it's not the _cost_ (Ç.08 as u say) which is important to me or ccp, IT'S THE TIME. as someone pointed out blizzard do this for wow, and i miss that here (on eve) jh Sorry Jihaddi, but you need to re-read the EULA. CCP does not guarantee the servers are up 24/7. By creating an account, installing the game (and thereby accepting the EULA), you have no expectation of reimbursement. To save you the trouble, I'll quote the relevant passage from the EULA (specifically the 3rd paragraph): Quote: 12. NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. Also, in this section, you agree not to hold CCP responsible for damages (ie: lost money due to downtime). I've hilighted the relevant parts, hopefully they'll show in quoted format: Quote: 15. INDEMNITY You shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless CCP and its affiliates, licensors and suppliers, and their respective employees, contractors, officers and directors, from any and all claims, loss, damages and demands, including reasonable attorneys' fees, arising out of: (i) your use or misuse of the Software; (ii) your access to the System; (iii) any activities conducted through your Account (whether by you or another person); and (iv) your playing of the Game. Don't mean to sound beligerant but it really irritates me when people demand things they're not entitled to. I know not everyone reads the EULA (I don't for the most part) but it's a good idea to be familiar with the basics. They're pretty much all the same.
Moggs Gallente Twisted Attitude	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:07:00 - [148] Hope the devs have had some pizza... can't fix bugs on empty stomach the fact they are still working at this time of night means a LOT to me CCP FTW!
Scamer	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:11:00 - [149] i just hope they give the downtime back to my account for the 12hrs+ they are takeing to fix this.
EVENFLOW Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:13:00 - [150] Originally by: Moggs Hope the devs have had some pizza... can't fix bugs on empty stomach the fact they are still working at this time of night means a LOT to me CCP FTW! \o/ I hear that. Honor > Death

Yoko Sama Caldari The Umbrella Corperation	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:14:00 - [151] Originally by: Moggs Hope the devs have had some pizza... can't fix bugs on empty stomach the fact they are still working at this time of night means a LOT to me CCP FTW! so very very true its greatly Appreciated Thanks for working on this so hard
R3dSh1ft Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:14:00 - [152] Edited by: R3dSh1ft on 22/08/2006 21:19:26 What would you prefer people... Some time off to spend with your family (or start at making one :D) or Gametime extended for unexpected downtimes and forcing CCP to make people PAY for content updates instead of being FREE like they have been since release? You know it makes sense. Just give those devs a little love and milkshake and go play your PSP or summat :D ______________________________________
Arimus Darkhart	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:14:00 - [153] To people who wonder why CCP can't test everything:- Consider just the login scenario: 1) User has to select server - 1 code path 2) Server status check -> good -> bad -> unknown -> startup - 4 code paths 3) Enter password -> good -> bad - 2 code paths 4) Type of account -> subscriber -> trial - 2 code paths That is 10 code paths to test in just one simple operation - select server and log in. I've simplified the process somewhat as well. Given my day job is an intergation and test engineer for comm's systems I can understand why CCP haven't caught all the issues before deploying the patch. However what it does not excuse is inadequate feedback and lack of a realistic timescale for patch deployment, regression testing and then starting to allow the great unwashed back in.
Refah	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:14:00 - [154] Never got disappointed of a patch day. Theres always something going wrong. starts to whistle an old Midas song while leaving the forum "Prepatch day, all the bugs, they seemed so far away..." ---------------------- this place is for rent
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:15:00 - [155] It's all a conspiracy, the server is denying you logging in because the devs are mining for a titan in Jita. They'll let you in when it's done. Really, it's not the end of the world. EVE is fun, and good and a marvelous game, but there was The Time Before EVE when you did other stuff, like spam forums, troll tha' intarweb, watch films or TV, or just go to the pub and have a few beers. Personally, I'm quite pleased. I got a good long session in the swimming pool (3225m, which is a personal best). I feel somewhat sorry for the dev team. A major overrun on an upgrade is a nuisance. For all those moaning about testing and QA, please save it. When your production environment isn't an identical copy of your test environment, with _exactly_ the same conditions, it's just not possible to test exhaustively. You do as much as you possibly can, but then you just have to start going, hope it works, and plan to rollback if it doesn't work. Which is exactly what CCP are doing. Best of luck guys, and enjoy the well deserved pint when it's done (one way or 'tother)
CFC Fodder Gallente 432	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:15:00 - [156] Am I the only person to note the irony of calling this thread "The Post-Deployment Issues and Feedback Thread"? Sorry, I had to be a smart aleck there for a bit. Originally by: Arian Snow "GTC for ISK" promotes farming of isk to pay for your character those isk underminde the economy and creates inflation!!! Its like printing money in RL...
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:16:00 - [157] Originally by: Nosferatoo Martok I'm finding this extensive downtime totally unacceptable. Haven't CCP ever heard of testing?!?! Unsatisfied customer+1. Maybe if you'd bothered to read the dev blog about this upcoming patch you'd know that a) this patch WAS tested in no less than 4 stages on the Chinese cluster and b) the fact that Tranquility has a database of items spanning over 3 years makes the patching here a LOT more complicated than patching on the Chinese cluster. How exactly would you like CCP to test this patch against TQ's database with TQ's user base (~20,000 people online at once) without deploying it to TQ? CCP have heard of testing, and you obviously have no clue about testing. The new BFG.
Femix'En THeOThErs Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:17:00 - [158] Hope my ship is still intact: Got booted at around 5-6 GMT and then the servers closed Right in the middle of a mission :/ __________________________________________________
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:17:00 - [159] Originally by: Scamer i just hope they give the downtime back to my account for the 12hrs+ they are takeing to fix this. FFS dude, this patch, once applied is for our and the games benefit, 12 hours is like 30cents worth of game time... Some people whine way too much.
Dark Chasm	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:17:00 - [160] If u people have really nothing to do (like me :) you might aswell read up on your eve-knowledge: EVE Backstory Some chronicles are really a good read: How many of you know how the dread guristas came to be ? As for 'Patch Day Syndrome' as Kieron well states is something most veterans are very familiair with. It's just a well-known fact that TQ is incredibly complex. If the Dragon patch is already 1 million lines of code, can u imagine how long the TQ code is ? I'm betting if u printed it, you could cover London in paper. The ONLY comment which is viable is that this happens pretty much every patch. delays, more delays and so on. But tbh, CCP has always come through. so keep ya pants on people. It will come back, it will be better. it always has We know ur doing ur best CCP CCP supporters: +1

Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:18:00 - [161] Oveur for president! Kieron for Pope! \o/
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:18:00 - [162] i got this too status incompatable
Chorea	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:18:00 - [163] I m playing MMO online since 10 years now. UO, Everquest, WOW, Everquest 2 : I could tell ya this ... Eve is one of the best developper service i have seen since 10 years. Running a server with 28 K player, (grats, hope we break the 10 K ) , doing patch and upgrading game with new item, new toys, new skills without paying any money (try wow or Everquest, any new content cost you 30 E ... and ya still pay month fee !). The Dev are working to improve that game and making it more fun for our pleasure. Knowing that : Let them do their job , they do want see ya play on the server more than ya want ! (hey, they are payed for , no more player, no money, no ! ) If ya checked test server (how many logged there) you ll have an idea of the new game ! Thanks Dev , you are working more harder than you should for some bunch of whinning people who have no clue what s going on, while you should be back to your home with your family ... Think about it : while they are working on the server, they cannot enjoy their evening with their family watching a DVD or having sex ! YOU CAN ! well, if you have a wife ! Being say : i love that game ! O/ Safe fly all (once server back on !)
Ascrethy	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:19:00 - [164] Quote: The critical bug was not fixed, more investigation required, estimated to open at 21:30. we shall see. On a plus side forums just sped up insanely! cmon CCP you can do it. I suggest a "tech beer fund" having worked in large scale it support myself I know it's no fun working long hours esp with peeps ***** /me glares @ people neglecting to read EULA. Though maybe a 24 owntime period would be better then ther's no rushing, you may need to credit people one day (rather than having the ball ache of changing the payment dates across all the customer record by one day - (Unless you have an intern or student, make them do it! "so you wanted a career in it did you!!!!! YOU WILL LEARN!!!!") )
Beany	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:21:00 - [165] Keep up the good work guys alot of respect for you guys will shout you a beer when ur finished
Arimus Darkhart	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:22:00 - [166] Well in 12 minutes I guess we'll all find out whats happend. To be honest, on a 1m lines of code project which probably has a high mccabe complexity score, which needs 'real world' testing for loading conditions etc a 5.5 hour overrun is nothing to moan about.
Saint87 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:22:00 - [167] "New fix applied, we're doing a test run.. etc" Seems they got it working :) 2 Players in the game, incompatible yet though. Won't be long now I guess. Easy does it :)
Gardoon Kahn Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:23:00 - [168] Major Kudos to CCP. They post estimated uptimes and keep us informed of what is going on. Previous MMORPGs I've played never had the respect for their customers to do the same. As with all computer issues, you may think you're on the right track, only to find that you missed the mark. It's the nature of the beast. I have full confidence that CCP will get the servers back up as soon as they can. One of my favorite things about eve-o is the maturity level of the player base. With a sophicsticated game comes mostly sophisticated players. It's great to see other users defending CCP, as they deserve it. Anyone who thinks they're doing anything less than a great job during upgrade time has not played any other MMORPG or worked a day in their life. Thanks again CCP for an awesome game. I look forward to playing it again as soon as the phantom bug is squashed! Gardoon Kahn
Scamer	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:23:00 - [169] FFS dude, this patch, once applied is for our and the games benefit, 12 hours is like 30cents worth of game time... Some people whine way too much. its not the money its more of the play time payed for
jihaddi	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:26:00 - [170] Originally by: Katrana Fordring Quote: that's not really the point is it tho' sauron? <snip> jh Sorry Jihaddi, but you need to re-read the EULA. <snip> point taken, but why bring the eula into it? i'm certainly NOT claiming that the eula mandates the compensation: otherwise i'd just ask for my time back rather than posting here. it irritates me too when i see people asking for things they don't deserve. what i'm saying is that ccp _should_ payback lost time (not cash), not that they _do_ (see eula). it makes for a better world for all. just an opinion 's all, not a statement of fact btw i take it you're reading the eula simply cos you're waiting for tq? you might want to get out more if not.

rodgerd Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:26:00 - [171] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Good thing I have a job to keep me distracted until things are up and running. Me too. The patch started on an evening I go to Judo, ran through my sleepytime, and is overruning to my work day. Real life and living in GMT+12 FTW!
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:27:00 - [172] woot 100 people in tranquility,we're getting there
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:28:00 - [173] Edited by: tarin adur on 22/08/2006 21:29:27 triple post
tarin adur	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:28:00 - [174] woot 100 people in tranquility,we're getting there
hendo001 Caldari Quantum Tech Mining	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:29:00 - [175] Originally by: Eron Lygera Oveur for president! Kieron for Pope! \o/ and valar for god? or database god QTM is currently recruiting miners and haulers convo me or send an evemail in game Visit our forums Linkage Link removed - Wrangler

kieron	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:30:00 - [176] For those that are saying this extended deployment time is the result of incomplete testing, the server issue we are trying to resolve is only occurring on Tranquility. We cannot duplicate it on the internal test servers, or Singularity, the external test server. I would like to make this clear to a number of players. Due to the differences between Tranquility, Singularity and Chaos, not all the code migrates between the three flawlessly. A poor analogy, but an analogy, nonetheless. Say you have a motor (code) you know works in your car (Chaos, internal test server). Move it over to a buddy's car (Singularity, external test server) and it works there, too. Put it in a different friend's truck (Tranquility) with a fuel system (server start-up code) that's supposed to be compatible, but it's just not working. The fuel system floods the motor and kills it before the motor starts. I hope this gives some insight into what the team is trying to resolve. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:30:00 - [177] Originally by: Scamer FFS dude, this patch, once applied is for our and the games benefit, 12 hours is like 30cents worth of game time... Some people whine way too much. its not the money its more of the play time payed for You want them to go through the hassle of editing everyone's payment date for what? Is it really going to make you feel better to pay the subscription cost 12 hours later than you were before? Is it going to make you feel better to be refunded 30 cents? 2 days from now you won't even care about this extended downtime anymore, it'll be a fading memory (unless the servers are still unstable....). I really, really don't understand why there's always a few people demanding a 30 cent refund every time a free update doesn't go exactly as planned. The new BFG.
Kamichiko	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:30:00 - [178] If I may recommend to help reduce load on the server on this new patch development, to give it a 72-hour torrent file. That way the massive leeching will also alleviate the congestion by spreading it across the downloaders. And after 72 hours the rush should be over for the new patch, hopefully. Just a thought and looking forward to playing again.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:30:00 - [179] Originally by: Scamer its not the money its more of the play time payed for Quite true.. and yes it is slightly annoying not being able to play, but only because this is what I consider THE best game i've ever played. But, CCP are doing their best in a situation they pre-warned us would be volatile, due to the nature of tranquility, and the testing that COULDN'T be done prior to deployment. If they do credit people I sure hope they offer us the option of not taking them up on it, as I think a LARGE portion of the playerbase would refuse, me included.
Ascrethy	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:30:00 - [180] Originally by: tarin adur woot 100 people in tranquility,we're getting there Quote: Fixes still unsuccesful, estimated to open at 00:00 GMT (Midnight). Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. No we're not :-(

Saint87 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:31:00 - [181] Hm... still not fixed, I was wrong. "Fixes still unsuccesfull, estimated to open at 00:00 GMT (Midnight). Note that... blabla" goes out and fetches another power drink I feel sorry for CCP, those guy's should get a good sleep now, all these people moaning about the time... **** them CCP, easy does it! Easy does it :)
Norma Stitz	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:31:00 - [182] Hope they get it fixed soon so they can get down the pub. CCP staff with no beer is like servers with no hamsters We're doomed, doomed I tell ya
Arimus Darkhart	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:31:00 - [183] No we're not... just looked: Now midnight GMT... oh well, off to get an early night for once this week Good luck to the developers, hopefully when I get up I'll be able to login.
Lucy Lawful Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:31:00 - [184] Originally by: Santiago Cortes Posted - 2006.08.22 17:36:00 Locked From this thread in EVE New Citizens Q&A: Thanks a lot CCP I¦m not sure after news items, dev blogs and posts on the forum if there¦s much more save individual eve-mails CCP could do. Please continue all patch related discussion Here The response was as expected from the player base (no one really read what I posted of course, or what the primary complaints were really about). I'd like to reiterate: 1. there is no queueing facility in EVE to continue auto skill training while offline if & when training expires (as per this extended DT) 2. if the only announcements about as significant an event as this are passive to the game, then the subscriber hasn't been advised sufficiently imo Some of us have busy lives & don't have enough time to read the RL news, much less EVE news every single day/week - they just want to log on for a precious few minutes/hours & play. Nor do they have time to read these forums. I, for one, play EVE to play the game, not to do an hour+ of reading every day. I don't read the news section on the EVE launcher much (I log in far too quickly), nor do I pay attention to the default Help channel much either, as there's always a page+ of multicoloured links/stuff that I'm well past now as I'm into my 3rd mth). I have 2 suggestions to the EVE Team to address the above concerns. The first one re skill queueing is obvious: pls get it in ASAP. The 2nd re announcements is: either send an EVE Mail about this to each person (let them subscribe to this if you must), or have a popup overlay, much like the existing daily imminent DT warning, every day/few hours/hour for a few seconds as this DT event draws closer & closer. In a week of sporadic playing I came across NO hint whatsoever that this DT was going to happen & I was on about 4 or 5 sessions up to twice a day for short periods & 1 long-ish (for me) session of around 3hrs. Being I (& many others no doubt) are in a crappy timezone & we get hit with DT every single weeknight during out primetime, this just adds more frustration to the already overflowing bucket. And we are paying subscribers, just like every other so-called 'vet' here who automatically screams out 'WHINER!' the moment a newb has what they consider a legit complaint (another criticism of the community EVE is fostering I shall address later as a separate issue). The only other suggestion I have is that the current time be put on the launcher screen so that news flashes in the box to the right have a context. Right now "estimated to open at 21:30" doesn't mean much to me as I'm in GMT+10. Yes, I know where to find timezone conversions, but I shouldn't have to do mental arithmetic for something so fundamental. A final word of advice to the EVE customer relations team: a customer who complains is giving you a 2nd chance; a customer who doesn't complain & leaves - that's the one you should be wary of. :)
R3dSh1ft Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:31:00 - [185] CCP have made the gesture of refunding game time in the past. But only where the server downtimes lasted a long while (like a whole day) and where it wasnt expected (i.e. NOT a patch, which btw, is only overdue a couple of hours right now) I certainly don't think game time needs to be refunded unless the servers stay down tomorrow as well - which given the dedication of the team there is very unlikely. ______________________________________
Hackshell	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:32:00 - [186] Have just need of 10sec of game cause have finish "Idiot who didnt set a long skill training +1" since 17.15GMT PLZ RUN MY LITTLE SERVER,RUN I know ur doing ur best CCP CCP supporters: +1
Damfoose FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:32:00 - [187] Im looking for the devs beer fund pot I think they deserve it for all their hard work, Me im glad I dont have to administer the servers for this game ive not come across any network setup that does not have a problem when patched, Devs good work folks and thanks for such a great game.
Aceoil Eve University	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:32:00 - [188] Quote: Fixes still unsuccesful, estimated to open at 00:00 GMT (Midnight). Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. Give these guys a hand, break out the Red Bull. This is going to be a LOOONG night for the dev's and programmers. Props to you guys for getting up to work at 8am, and staying well past midnight.
Upsen Downs	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:34:00 - [189] Just posting to wish the CCP staff well in their endeavours to get Tranquility back up so we can all get tranquilized again. Someone call me when it's back up, 867-5309. Upsen.
Damfoose FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [190] Im looking for the devs beer fund pot I think they deserve it for all their hard work, Me im glad I dont have to administer the servers for this game ive not come across any network setup that does not have a problem when patched, Devs good work folks and thanks for such a great game.

promeath	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [191] Well said Moggs!! I can wait as long as it takes to get EVE back online. Estimates at Midnight now it would seem. Keep it up CCP!
hendo001 Caldari Quantum Tech Mining	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [192] Originally by: kieron For those that are saying this extended deployment time is the result of incomplete testing, the server issue we are trying to resolve is only occurring on Tranquility. We cannot duplicate it on the internal test servers, or Singularity, the external test server. I would like to make this clear to a number of players. Due to the differences between Tranquility, Singularity and Chaos, not all the code migrates between the three flawlessly. A poor analogy, but an analogy, nonetheless. Say you have a motor (code) you know works in your car (Chaos, internal test server). Move it over to a buddy's car (Singularity, external test server) and it works there, too. Put it in a different friend's truck (Tranquility) with a fuel system (server start-up code) that's supposed to be compatible, but it's just not working. The fuel system floods the motor and kills it before the motor starts. I hope this gives some insight into what the team is trying to resolve. thx for the update m8 any more news plz let us know QTM is currently recruiting miners and haulers convo me or send an evemail in game Visit our forums Linkage Link removed - Wrangler
CreeoniX Caldari G.I.A.N.T	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [193] OMFG, my skills... Dev team, ur the best ^^ Мы ведь то же хотели на Солнце взл
thor749	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [194] Guys please dont take this the wrong way but dont u think u should of tested this Patch about 4-6 months ago and made sure it worked b4 trying to deploy on a Paying server Just it does happen like that on other game :) only a Thought
Thalen Mort	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [195] 0:00 hours now..... well.....best to get it right rather than multiple server shutdowns and rollbacks..... waves lucky rabbits foot and does crazed raccoon bug fix dance Best of luck to you and have a great night.
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [196] Hehe, owned. Lay off the beer next time guys. CCP Supporter: +2 ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari The Collective Order	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:35:00 - [197] Fixes still unsuccesful, estimated to open at 00:00 GMT (Midnight). Note that minimal OS for Eve will be Windows 2000 SP2. Light is faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them.
Kay Han Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:37:00 - [198] so.. in short.. what went wrong? ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
Arimus Darkhart	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:37:00 - [199] I'm hoping that rather than rushing to try to fix the issues the development team are ignore their managers and working methodically to fix the issue. (I've been in too many issues where management push for a fast fix regardless of the risks and at the expense of proper engineering practice. I've walked out of one job due that sort of pressure...) Anyways, good luck to all.
Maolin	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:39:00 - [200] Personally, I blame the Germans. And Microsoft - most things are their fault.

Damfoose FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:39:00 - [201] Im looking for the devs beer fund pot I think they deserve it for all their hard work, Me im glad I dont have to administer the servers for this game ive not come across any network setup that does not have a problem when patched, Devs good work folks and thanks for such a great game.
Mockery	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:40:00 - [202] My God folks..8 pages of POST patch deployment moans..and the patch hasn't even been deployed yet! Please just calm down and leave the Devs to it..its very easy to have an opinion about something you dont understand - but hey I for one think CCP do a great job..and these things happen..thats life.. Good luck Devs, most of us love ya....(in a manly way...ahem)
Elodan	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:42:00 - [203] Okay, I'm going to have to say that everyone who is complaining about the time they paid for: What is twelve hours? Are you seriously THAT dependent on the game? Not only that, but it seems like this would be something that doesn't happen often, and I'm sure that the dev team, or whatever it is that works on bugs, is working hard to fix the problem. You buy time on this game in months, right? Well, I'm sure you can go a day or so without it and not be losing that much money. I say kudos goes to CCP for working hard to fix it and keep you guys happy.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:43:00 - [204] Edited by: Xelios on 22/08/2006 21:44:25 Originally by: thor749 Guys please dont take this the wrong way but dont u think u should of tested this Patch about 4-6 months ago and made sure it worked b4 trying to deploy on a Paying server Just it does happen like that on other game :) only a Thought I think you should read this and this before you post again. Only a thought :) The new BFG.
Ombrae Thunderbird Guard	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:45:00 - [205] I hope CCP devs get their load of coffee and coka :) Thunderbird Guard Atalante Alliance
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari The Collective Order	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:45:00 - [206] Originally by: Kay Han so.. in short.. what went wrong? Umm... From what I read on a previous post... summin like putting diesel fuel in a formula 1 car. I know, bewildering innit. Light is faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them.
Lord Noj Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:46:00 - [207] I only wish this had happened during the trial that expired, because I wouldn't be paying customer like I am now. The whole day is a wash for me, I don't have any other time to spend on this game tonight. And giving me a day in return for what I lost isn't going to make up for this inconvience. I've been paying for like a week now and the server has crashed several times during the times I can play, and now this, a critical error which obviously isn't going to be fixed any time soon. I want 100M ISK and a week worth of training instantly!!! LOL
StarStryder Wise Guys	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:46:00 - [208] Yay, on to midnight now! :( I bet the coffee shop nearest CCP is making a fortune tonight.


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