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Dave Stark 7305	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:52:04 - [781] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. Trit was at 1,5-2 isk/unit 4 years ago and a hulk was a 240m investment that could easily be lost to just three cats. the price of minerals has **** all to do with the venture. 4 years go we still had drone poop and good reprocessing yields and it was hulk or gtfo since every other mining ship was borderline useless except maybe the retriever until you could fly a hulk. 4 years ago, prices were different not because of the venture, but because there was only really 1 ship you could mine in, and there were a myriad of other ways to get minerals.
Dave Stark 7305	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:54:12 - [782] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: A competent CEO will want to vet their recruits which you can't do to a newbie. sure you can. also this is why people have training corps etc. if people don't want to put the effort in to screen applicants, awoxing is exactly what they deserve.
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 15	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:56:45 - [783] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Tim...citation please that is done for that reason... Still waiting on proof that is the reason. P.s. new players are already safe from grieving by the new player protection rules. Also, I have recruited MANY new players over the course of years. None of them were Awoxers nor have been awoxed. It is the corps security that makes that happen. It is quite easy to spot an awoxer. CCP just added this for the corps who suck at doing their own security. CCP stated that newbie recruitment is their reason for this change. I tend to believe that they know what their stats on players leaving mean. Not toe mention that in this very thread several CEOs have admitted to purposely not recruiting noobs for this very reason. And OK, if an awoxer is easy to spot, enlighten us with what the difference between an awoxer on an new account and a newb on a new account is. There is no difference between the two. You've evidenced over and over and over again that you don't know how basic EVE mechanics work, and yet we're supposed to accept your tears about this change over CCPs own claims to the contrary?
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:58:31 - [784] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tim Timpson wrote: Black Pedro wrote: I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). That would go against the reason for this change. This change is to encourage people to recruit noobs by making it safe to do so. Adding a punishment for turning this option on will just leave most people leaving it off and not recruiting noobs. They're recruiting new players anyway. That's how any awoxing happens in the first place. The corps that recruit newbies now are terrible corps, which is why they get awoxed. A competent CEO will want to vet their recruits which you can't do to a newbie. Generally vetting a true new player is easy. And in general the awoxing new players are alts and those are very easy to spot if you know what you are doing. Just cause you suck at doing something correctly doesnt mean something is wrong. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 15	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:59:03 - [785] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Tim. Im still waiting on your proof people awox new players. Almosy all awox that happens is against loot pinatas flown by older people. I've never claimed they do, so please learn to read. As I've stated, the problem is that people with loot pi+¦atas don't recruit new players because they are indistinguishable from awoxers. This is also what CCP claim. If you want to dispute it, dispute it with CCP. I'll believe them until you can categorically prove otherwise.
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 15	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:01:01 - [786] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Generally vetting a true new player is easy. And in general the awoxing new players are alts and those are very easy to spot if you know what you are doing. Just cause you suck at doing something correctly doesnt mean something is wrong. Just stop. Go play EVE, learn the mechanics, learn how corp security works and come back and make serious comments. All you're doing is having an emotional response to the change and saying literally anything you can to dispute it regardless of how ludicrous it is. You cannot tell the difference between a new player and a new character on a new account controlled by an awoxer.
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 15	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:05:29 - [787] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: sure you can. also this is why people have training corps etc. Sure, you can segregate your newbies, which is hardly a good experience for legitimate newbies, and is still something most corps won't do. Dave Stark wrote: if people don't want to put the effort in to screen applicants, awoxing is exactly what they deserve. tip: if the new guy's only ship is a gnosis... it's probably an awoxer. You can't screen a newbie and tell he's not an awoxer. sure you can get rid of the most obvious awoxers, but the only way to not recruit them at all is to not recruit newbies - which most corps do. At the end of the day, CCP have identified this as a reason that newbies don't get recruited. I don't really care if you think there's behavioural ways people could instead work with newbies, because it's not happening. Decent corps are more often than not excluding newbies, which is bad for the game. If a tiny change to corp aggression will help encourage competent corps recruit newbies more freely I'm all for it. Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in.
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:08:45 - [788] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: J'Poll wrote: Tim...citation please that is done for that reason... Still waiting on proof that is the reason. P.s. new players are already safe from grieving by the new player protection rules. Also, I have recruited MANY new players over the course of years. None of them were Awoxers nor have been awoxed. It is the corps security that makes that happen. It is quite easy to spot an awoxer. CCP just added this for the corps who suck at doing their own security. CCP stated that newbie recruitment is their reason for this change. I tend to believe that they know what their stats on players leaving mean. Not toe mention that in this very thread several CEOs have admitted to purposely not recruiting noobs for this very reason. And OK, if an awoxer is easy to spot, enlighten us with what the difference between an awoxer on an new account and a newb on a new account is. There is no difference between the two. You've evidenced over and over and over again that you don't know how basic EVE mechanics work, and yet we're supposed to accept your tears about this change over CCPs own claims to the contrary? Citation... where did you read that...show me the official CCP source of said change. And it is very easy to spot a genuine new player from an alt of a veteran player by just interacting with them before you let them join. Not to mention that an awox alt will 99% of the time fail any half decent API check cause he will need some form of asset / ISK to fund the awox. Or take the safe approach of a trainee corp in your alliance. They can join in on the stuff while there without the hazard for the main corp. Most Awoxers are not patient enough to go through thw trainee corp when there are plenty of stupid and easier targets. Or let them fly on good standings with you for a while before you officially recruit them. Again, an awoxer will not even try as there are plenty of stupid corps that let him in too easily. You are the one nit knowing the mechanics obciously. There are already loads of ways to protect you from Awoxers. You keep bouncing from "Waah all new players are awoxers" to "Waah everybody wants to awox new players". Both which are false, the first as explained above is easily avoided by good and clever recruitment the latter just doesnt make sense. Why would I Awox a new player when I can awox Johnny No-clue in his pimped Navy Raven as easily if I wanted. Sure, there will be people that target new players in their Awoxing, but the majority of the awoxers target bigger ships for bigger gains and a much better killboard. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:10:16 - [789] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: J'Poll wrote: Tim. Im still waiting on your proof people awox new players. Almosy all awox that happens is against loot pinatas flown by older people. I've never claimed they do, so please learn to read. As I've stated, the problem is that people with loot pi+¦atas don't recruit new players because they are indistinguishable from awoxers. This is also what CCP claim. If you want to dispute it, dispute it with CCP. I'll believe them until you can categorically prove otherwise. Get on comms with your recruit and it is actually quite easy to spot a new player from someone who made an alt. By just spotting irregularity in knowledge of game mechanics etc. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:12:47 - [790] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: J'Poll wrote: Generally vetting a true new player is easy. And in general the awoxing new players are alts and those are very easy to spot if you know what you are doing. Just cause you suck at doing something correctly doesnt mean something is wrong. Just stop. Go play EVE, learn the mechanics, learn how corp security works and come back and make serious comments. All you're doing is having an emotional response to the change and saying literally anything you can to dispute it regardless of how ludicrous it is. You cannot tell the difference between a new player and a new character on a new account controlled by an awoxer. Look who says that. Come back when yoh have been recruiting for 3.5 years aswel as being the lead recruiter and security guy for an alliance. And never ever saw anything that you claim happen. I've rwcruited and saw plenty of new players been recruited, none of which were awoxers. Sure, we had to turn down a bunch of alts that tried, but those were easily spotted. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:14:46 - [791] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: Dave Stark wrote: sure you can. also this is why people have training corps etc. Sure, you can segregate your newbies, which is hardly a good experience for legitimate newbies, and is still something most corps won't do. Dave Stark wrote: if people don't want to put the effort in to screen applicants, awoxing is exactly what they deserve. tip: if the new guy's only ship is a gnosis... it's probably an awoxer. You can't screen a newbie and tell he's not an awoxer. sure you can get rid of the most obvious awoxers, but the only way to not recruit them at all is to not recruit newbies - which most corps do. At the end of the day, CCP have identified this as a reason that newbies don't get recruited. I don't really care if you think there's behavioural ways people could instead work with newbies, because it's not happening. Decent corps are more often than not excluding newbies, which is bad for the game. If a tiny change to corp aggression will help encourage competent corps recruit newbies more freely I'm all for it. Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in. Haha. A trainee corp in an alliance can join about everything you do anyway if you set everything up to be on alliance level. The only thing that is excluded there are POS services, but then again you should not let a new recruit have access to POS stuff. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2585	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:15:18 - [792] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: CCP stated that newbie recruitment is their reason for this change. I tend to believe that they know what their stats on players leaving mean. Not toe mention that in this very thread several CEOs have admitted to purposely not recruiting noobs for this very reason. And OK, if an awoxer is easy to spot, enlighten us with what the difference between an awoxer on an new account and a newb on a new account is. There is no difference between the two. You've evidenced over and over and over again that you don't know how basic EVE mechanics work, and yet we're supposed to accept your tears about this change over CCPs own claims to the contrary? Look at their skills, and look at their assets. Odds are that if a "newbie" is making a beeline for destroyers, you're in for some trouble. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:20:08 - [793] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Tim Timpson wrote: CCP stated that newbie recruitment is their reason for this change. I tend to believe that they know what their stats on players leaving mean. Not toe mention that in this very thread several CEOs have admitted to purposely not recruiting noobs for this very reason. And OK, if an awoxer is easy to spot, enlighten us with what the difference between an awoxer on an new account and a newb on a new account is. There is no difference between the two. You've evidenced over and over and over again that you don't know how basic EVE mechanics work, and yet we're supposed to accept your tears about this change over CCPs own claims to the contrary? Look at their skills, and look at their assets. Odds are that if a "newbie" is making a beeline for destroyers, you're in for some trouble. Or if you have a new player with a too high wallet size. Or one with obvious gank-ships in hangars. Or ones that are very destine on fleeting with people all the time. Or ones that are up front show too much knowledge about game mechanics. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Sol Jing Ko Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:23:58 - [794] - Quote What is this thread about? :/
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 912	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:41:02 - [795] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. Trit was at 1,5-2 isk/unit 4 years ago and a hulk was a 240m investment that could easily be lost to just three cats. the price of minerals has **** all to do with the venture. Sorry, if that's what you read. That's not what I wanted to say. Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 15	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:41:33 - [796] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Citation... where did you read that...show me the official CCP source of said change. The original mention of this came from [url=http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf]Summer CSM minutes[/quote] - Page 77 which explains in part why they are doing it. Following that there were numerous discussions about it which CCP posted in, but you'll have to search around for those. J'Poll wrote: And it is very easy to spot a genuine new player from an alt of a veteran player by just interacting with them before you let them join. Not to mention that an awox alt will 99% of the time fail any half decent API check cause he will need some form of asset / ISK to fund the awox. Oh I see, so you're saying an awoxer can;t pretend to be a newbie (which is obviously wrong) and that getting isk to your awoxer alt is an issue (which is again wrong - it's called jettisoning PLEX in space and pretending you bought PLEX), and that awoxers need funding - which is again wrong since a half decent awoxer can deal enormous damage with just the stuff they get from tutorial missions. J'Poll wrote: Or take the safe approach of a trainee corp in your alliance. They can join in on the stuff while there without the hazard for the main corp. Most Awoxers are not patient enough to go through thw trainee corp when there are plenty of stupid and easier targets. This is segregating newbies, which is hardly newbie friendly and it's certainly not a surefire way of getting rid of awoxers. J'Poll wrote: Or let them fly on good standings with you for a while before you officially recruit them. Again, an awoxer will not even try as there are plenty of stupid corps that let him in too easily. So refuse to recruit them and say "I'll set you blue, and later I might recruit you". I won't even begin to explain why that idea is terrible. On top of all of this you miss one thing - you're talking about behavioural changes - You can't force people to do this, so the fact is that most corps just don;t recruit noobs, since it's safer and easier to simply put in minimum SP limits. J'Poll wrote: You keep bouncing from "Waah all new players are awoxers" to "Waah everybody wants to awox new players". Both which are false, the first as explained above is easily avoided by good and clever recruitment the latter just doesnt make sense. Why would I Awox a new player when I can awox Johnny No-clue in his pimped Navy Raven as easily if I wanted. Sure, there will be people that target new players in their Awoxing, but the majority of the awoxers target bigger ships for bigger gains and a much better killboard. I'm not bouncing between anything, I can only assume you're either reading someone else's posts and attributing them to me or you can't read basic English very well. So stop putting this strawman back up. I've stated clearly that this is not my opinion. It has nothing to do with people wanting to awox newbies in their rookie ships, it's about the refusal to recruit newbies into decent corps. The fact that this is what you keep returning to is just further proof you don't understand the change. Effectively you're crying your eyes out because a handful of awoxers won't have easy mode awoxing any more. Well tough luck. CCP have already had this discussion with us, they've looked at the stats and made the decision. The change is coming, so get over it. If you can't get over it, quit.
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 15	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:43:42 - [797] - Quote Sol Jing Ko wrote: What is this thread about? :/ Basically CCP have decided to remove easy mode awoxing (in corp aggression) because it makes people resistant to recruiting newbies. Some people are freaking out and crying to no end about how EVE is basically WoW, and the usual nonsense that comes whenever CCP makes a change to help newbies.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2585	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:48:09 - [798] - Quote All of this talk about how CEOs don't recruit noobs because of awoxing completely ignores the fact that CEOs don't recruit noobs at much higher rates because they can be future war spies. Doesn't even begin to compare. Maybe you feel safe talking about hypotheticals, but I actually infiltrate these corporations by the dozen and get hired to protect them sometimes, so I have more than enough practical experience with regard to the matter. I think I heard awoxing being mentioned half a dozen times at most by these people in the last five or six years, but every single one of them make war spying an almost-daily piece of conversation. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Sol Jing Ko Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:48:50 - [799] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: Sol Jing Ko wrote: What is this thread about? :/ Basically CCP have decided to remove easy mode awoxing (in corp aggression) because it makes people resistant to recruiting newbies. Some people are freaking out and crying to no end about how EVE is basically WoW, and the usual nonsense that comes whenever CCP makes a change to help newbies. I don't understand you at all can you say that in english without using all these slang words and acronyms?? :/ I'm new here and this is all rather confusing to me. :(
Dave Stark 7306	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:50:19 - [800] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in. amount of effort put in is irrelevant if the feature is no longer there.

Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2585	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:51:23 - [801] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Tim Timpson wrote: Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in. amount of effort put in is irrelevant if the feature is no longer there. Careful, you know they'll get you on that technicality. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Arec Bardwin 1842	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:52:28 - [802] - Quote Could this change be in violation of Malcani's Law?
Sladislov Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 64	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:55:05 - [803] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: J'Poll wrote: Tim...citation please that is done for that reason... Still waiting on proof that is the reason. P.s. new players are already safe from grieving by the new player protection rules. Also, I have recruited MANY new players over the course of years. None of them were Awoxers nor have been awoxed. It is the corps security that makes that happen. It is quite easy to spot an awoxer. CCP just added this for the corps who suck at doing their own security. CCP stated that newbie recruitment is their reason for this change. I tend to believe that they know what their stats on players leaving mean. Not toe mention that in this very thread several CEOs have admitted to purposely not recruiting noobs for this very reason. And OK, if an awoxer is easy to spot, enlighten us with what the difference between an awoxer on an new account and a newb on a new account is. There is no difference between the two. You've evidenced over and over and over again that you don't know how basic EVE mechanics work, and yet we're supposed to accept your tears about this change over CCPs own claims to the contrary? you mean -their ships -their fits -their afwully specific skillset -money tansfers between alts -usually a funny name like "Blute Shoes" or "PopBlues" the one who doesnt play this game is you if you dont even realize this -á-á-á-á-á-á Sladislov Director of Silly semantics -á-á-á-á-á-áBroksi Kurth -á-á xXxBlack LegionxXx
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 16	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:55:39 - [804] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Get on comms with your recruit and it is actually quite easy to spot a new player from someone who made an alt. By just spotting irregularity in knowledge of game mechanics etc. Lol, because people are incapable of lying. J'Poll wrote: Come back when yoh have been recruiting for 3.5 years aswel as being the lead recruiter and security guy for an alliance. And never ever saw anything that you claim happen. I've rwcruited and saw plenty of new players been recruited, none of which were awoxers. Sure, we had to turn down a bunch of alts that tried, but those were easily spotted. Honestly, if your alliance has you as a recruiter, then I feel incredibly sorry for them. I've read your posts and you have barely an understanding of simple mechanics. You struggled to understand how mining yield works, which is probably one of the most basic things to understand. And sure, perhaps you have recruited non-awoxers. That doesn't mean that awoxers don't pose as newbies and it certainly won;t make most decent corps and alliances suddenly start recruiting newbies. For most people it simply isn't worth the time investment and risk when they can simply say "you must have X SP". Since you claimed however to have some uber list of amazing corps who recruit day one newbies and never get awoxed, yet refused to even produce this list though, I'm going to have to assume that you are talking complete and utter rubbish. Destiny Corrupted wrote: Look at their skills, and look at their assets. Odds are that if a "newbie" is making a beeline for destroyers, you're in for some trouble. That only helps you against the most obvious of awoxers. You can awox in a venture. I've posed as 2 separate players in a corp, one mission runner and 1 miner in a venture, tackled an orca with the venture then nuked it down to low hull with my mission running BC and extorted a ransom. Ability to use a point is relatively simple to explain with either "I got that skill doing tutorial missions" or "I thought it would be good to learn all the skills a bit", and unless they scan your ship during the run that you are planning to awox, they'll never see it coming. Destiny Corrupted wrote: Here's a novel idea: having new players join loot pinata corporations is a bad idea. Being in the damn NPC corporations is a touch better than being taught to fit flux coils on your Drake, and to be afraid of your own shadow, by some megalomaniac who treats his corporation members like his own personal property. Well apparently it's a bad idea, because new players who stay in NPC corps tend to quit. What I can't believe with this is that it's a change to encourage people to join (or be recruited by) player corps and interact with each other, and there's so many tears over it!
Solecist Project Weapons of Mass Distraction 19548	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:56:40 - [805] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: Could this change be in violation of Malcani's Law? The older player has it easier tricking a newer player into a duel ... ... and with this change his corpmates will have a really hard time saving him. Not that they ever do so anyway. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 16	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:58:24 - [806] - Quote Sladislov wrote: you mean -their ships -their fits -their afwully specific skillset -money tansfers between alts -usually a funny name like "Blute Shoes" or "PopBlues" the one who doesnt play this game is you if you dont even realize this Yes, obvious awoxers are obvious. applause
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5580	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:00:58 - [807] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: Oh I see, so you're saying an awoxer can;t pretend to be a newbie (which is obviously wrong) and that getting isk to your awoxer alt is an issue (which is again wrong - it's called jettisoning PLEX in space and pretending you bought PLEX), and that awoxers need funding - which is again wrong since a half decent awoxer can deal enormous damage with just the stuff they get from tutorial missions. This is segregating newbies, which is hardly newbie friendly and it's certainly not a surefire way of getting rid of awoxers. So refuse to recruit them and say "I'll set you blue, and later I might recruit you". I won't even begin to explain why that idea is terrible. On top of all of this you miss one thing - you're talking about behavioural changes - You can't force people to do this, so the fact is that most corps just don;t recruit noobs, since it's safer and easier to simply put in minimum SP limits. It has nothing to do with people wanting to awox newbies in their rookie ships, it's about the refusal to recruit newbies into decent corps. The fact that this is what you keep returning to is just further proof you don't understand the change. Effectively you're crying your eyes out because a handful of awoxers won't have easy mode awoxing any more. Well tough luck. CCP have already had this discussion with us, they've looked at the stats and made the decision. The change is coming, so get over it. If you can't get over it, quit. A. Yes, it is VERY easy to spot a true new player from a veteran with a new character if you put some effort in it. B. Haha, so an Awoxer that skilled his SP to meet your SP limit, suddenly isn't a issue anymore. So, if I with 50 mil SP apply to a corp, that means I can't ever be an awoxer to your logic. C. It's weird that a trainee corp does work. They can have all the benefit of being in teh corp (just use the alliance chat as a corp chat) without any of the downsides for them being an awoxer. It's not segregating when you do everything as an alliance together. D. It's not we don't recruit you, it's let's give you a trial period before we truely accept you among us. E. Again, please point me to all those corps that don't recruit new players now, but will definately will after this change hits. The majority of the corps that don't recruit new players now, do that cause they don't want to deal with new player teaching. Those that truely want to teach new players in EVE, already do this by letting them in. F. Effectively you are crying your eyes out so much about your inability to protect yourself against an awoxer, that CCP (yet again) gives in to your demands to make EVE Hello Kitty Online more. Personally as I live in low-sec, I don't really give a ** about the change itself. But it just shows that CCP only looks at one thing: How to make EVE completely safe so we can have more of those WoW carebear people like yourself in this game, ruining the game with their feel of entitlement. G. Maybe people's behaviour should change. It's called adaptation to your surroundings. The only people that don't want to change their behaviour, are the ones that cried so much they want absolute safety in high-sec. And from the progression so far, it looks like it will happen. I can already tell the next thing you will cry about, it's either ganking being too easy and/or wardecs should be removed all together. And I wouldn't be half surprised if CCP, yet again will give in to your entitlement. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club**
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 16	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:02:11 - [808] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: All of this talk about how CEOs don't recruit noobs because of awoxing completely ignores the fact that CEOs don't recruit noobs at much higher rates because they can be future war spies. Doesn't even begin to compare. Maybe you feel safe talking about hypotheticals, but I actually infiltrate these corporations by the dozen and get hired to protect them sometimes, so I have more than enough practical experience with regard to the matter. I think I heard awoxing being mentioned half a dozen times at most by these people in the last five or six years, but every single one of them make war spying an almost-daily piece of conversation. Spies will always get it. Fact. If you have something that needs to be spied on, a spy will get in. I've never had a corp I've been unable to infiltrate to spy on beyond personal corps full of alts who recruit nobody and generally don't need to be spied on. The best way to deal with spies is by restricting information flow in the first place, recruitment is generally irrelevant once you reach a certain size.
Solecist Project Weapons of Mass Distraction 19548	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:03:11 - [809] - Quote Tim Timpson wrote: Sladislov wrote: you mean -their ships -their fits -their afwully specific skillset -money tansfers between alts -usually a funny name like "Blute Shoes" or "PopBlues" the one who doesnt play this game is you if you dont even realize this Yes, obvious awoxers are obvious. applause Lack of social skills and empathy is the number one reason why people can't spot liars. That applies to the real world as much as to the game. The most obvious ones won't get caught ... ... if the person that should catch him is too stupid. But the worst cases are those when the awoxxer tells it up front ... ... and the recruiter is just too ***** full of himself and still let's him in. Ralph King-Griffin > you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Tim Timpson Solitude Trading 16	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:03:56 - [810] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Tim Timpson wrote: Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in. amount of effort put in is irrelevant if the feature is no longer there. Dave, I'm sure you've been here long enough to know what awoxing is. Awoxing does not require corp aggression.



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