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Roofdog2 Penn Industries 5	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:39:01 - [2041] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Eli Apol wrote: Arrendis wrote: Eli Apol wrote: It's no longer their problem. They defended their space and the threat fled. Until he comes back in 5m. And being a small alliance with a small area of operations, they're all still perfectly within range to come and deter him again... Picture a wasp in a tiny one bedroom flat. Now picture it in the Louvre. That's the difference. Now picture a garden after you knocked over a beehive. and now picture a racoon in a yellow dress trying to sick a fish in the beehive (no idea why, but i wonder how many ppl invisioned it)
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6345	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:44:09 - [2042] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Papa Django wrote: On a single sov sure, but you cant be everywhere. Are you kidding? Hell's bells, if frigates can fit these things, they will require even less resources and commitment than an afk cloaker, for vastly greater effect. I thought AFK cloakers were incapable doing anything. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 257	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:44:28 - [2043] - Quote Roofdog2 wrote: and now picture a racoon in a yellow dress trying to sick a fish in the beehive (no idea why, but i wonder how many ppl invisioned it) Legit.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 4233	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:45:14 - [2044] - Quote Devi Loches wrote: Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I've been thinking about these blitzing inty fleets. My first though was about all the tools at our disposal to counter such lol-fit ships, for which there are plenty. However, further pondering has brought to mine the underlying problem that is driving this ridiculous scenario: It comes down to the battle of effort. Sov. war, over the years, has basically evolved into break-their-will campaigns, where you first exhaust your opponent's will to fight long before you successfully take their space. The problem with the proposed scenario isn't so much inty's RF'ing structures, but that the effort to reclaim those structures is pretty heavy. We can prevent inties and dessies from fitting the entosis link, but we'll still have the same situation. It is very easy for an organization to segregate their fleet into many, many small parts that simultaneously attack the sov of many structures. While many of these individuals will be countered, many more will also succeed. This is true anytime you have an empire expanding more than a constellation. Every successfully RF'd structure then results in a not insignificant effort by the defenders to reclaim the system or lose it. The disparity is in the effort to RF the structure vs the effort to reclaim it. That is really what needs to be balanced. Truth be told, if no one shows up, I believe the structures should revert back to the original owners control naturally. Also, I feel like there needs to be an additional step (i.e. an investment in effort) before the attackers truly make sov vulnerable. Focusing on link fit inties is really sidetracking us from the above discussion, which is something we should be having. This is exactly it. The interceptor discussion is just one example of how the underlying issues can be abused. It's too easy for a roaming harassment fleet to inflict serious damage to a system, even one that's lived in. It is easy to miss the forest, when people keep focusing on the trees. No one should be posting lol-interceptor fits, and should instead be posting the imbalance in the efforts between attacking sov and defending sov.
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1040	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:46:16 - [2045] - Quote Querns wrote: M1k3y Koontz wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: We would burn null to the ground. You've been trying to burn null for years. It hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen after this. You're acting like the kid who feels like a big man because his mommy said he's special. We haven't done it because it's too much work in Dominion sov, and doing so would place us at considerable risk due to our Cold War metaphor supercaps being out of position to counter any threats. Having a conquering force consist of a scant 250 maledictions, loosed upon a region like a plague of locusts, removes this risk completely. At that rate, I can personally finance the destruction of all conquerable nullsec easily, and I'm one of the poorest members of the Goonswarm Federation Economic Cabal. And you think you're the only person/alliance with that kind of money? That's cute Get off your high horse mate. Before you fall and hurt yourself. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 765	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:46:30 - [2046] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Eli Apol wrote: Arrendis wrote: Eli Apol wrote: It's no longer their problem. They defended their space and the threat fled. Until he comes back in 5m. And being a small alliance with a small area of operations, they're all still perfectly within range to come and deter him again... Picture a wasp in a tiny one bedroom flat. Now picture it in the Louvre. That's the difference. Now picture a garden after you knocked over a beehive. I'm kinda going with a cage full of monkeys with diarrhea flinging crap around. None of them are really sure why they are doing it but it smells different and makes a nice mess to roll around in.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 11987	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:49:08 - [2047] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Papa Django wrote: On a single sov sure, but you cant be everywhere. Are you kidding? Hell's bells, if frigates can fit these things, they will require even less resources and commitment than an afk cloaker, for vastly greater effect. I thought AFK cloakers were incapable doing anything. You're right. This can actually do something besides give renters the badfeelz. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1381	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:49:44 - [2048] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Querns wrote: M1k3y Koontz wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: We would burn null to the ground. You've been trying to burn null for years. It hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen after this. You're acting like the kid who feels like a big man because his mommy said he's special. We haven't done it because it's too much work in Dominion sov, and doing so would place us at considerable risk due to our Cold War metaphor supercaps being out of position to counter any threats. Having a conquering force consist of a scant 250 maledictions, loosed upon a region like a plague of locusts, removes this risk completely. At that rate, I can personally finance the destruction of all conquerable nullsec easily, and I'm one of the poorest members of the Goonswarm Federation Economic Cabal. And you think you're the only person/alliance with that kind of money? That's cute Get off your high horse mate. Before you fall and hurt yourself. Considering that I described myself as among the poorest of the Cabal, I fail to see where I asserted any of that. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5765	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:51:17 - [2049] - Quote Myriad Blaze wrote: Quote: and the Industrial Index is obtained by mining in the system. So considering the new importance of maxing defense bonuses from occupancy, how is mining for a high industrial index better than grinding structures? If I wanted to shoot rocks, I could have stayed in high-sec. At least tie the industrial index to industry maybe? Probably in the form of building/producing stuff? Maybe even consider planetary industry. Yes to all those options! Though someone is no doibt glong to game the system by running hundreds of jons to build stuff, then reprocess it and build more stuff, just to keep the index high. One option is, of course, to recruit miners. You know, those people you laugh at and like to throw stones at in hisec. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30761	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:51:24 - [2050] - Quote Fozzie, will effective tossing require corp roles? Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6552	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:51:25 - [2051] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Querns wrote: M1k3y Koontz wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: We would burn null to the ground. You've been trying to burn null for years. It hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen after this. You're acting like the kid who feels like a big man because his mommy said he's special. We haven't done it because it's too much work in Dominion sov, and doing so would place us at considerable risk due to our Cold War metaphor supercaps being out of position to counter any threats. Having a conquering force consist of a scant 250 maledictions, loosed upon a region like a plague of locusts, removes this risk completely. At that rate, I can personally finance the destruction of all conquerable nullsec easily, and I'm one of the poorest members of the Goonswarm Federation Economic Cabal. And you think you're the only person/alliance with that kind of money? That's cute Get off your high horse mate. Before you fall and hurt yourself. More like massadeath of moa will drag us off the horse and end us, right? I know, we all have our ~~little~~ large* fantasies. *It's a reference to blue donuts making one fat ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6345	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:52:00 - [2052] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Papa Django wrote: On a single sov sure, but you cant be everywhere. Are you kidding? Hell's bells, if frigates can fit these things, they will require even less resources and commitment than an afk cloaker, for vastly greater effect. I thought AFK cloakers were incapable doing anything. You're right. This can actually do something besides give renters the badfeelz. Considering the stagnation of the game that may well be the much needed effect. It's time they HTFU. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6552	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:53:19 - [2053] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Myriad Blaze wrote: Quote: and the Industrial Index is obtained by mining in the system. So considering the new importance of maxing defense bonuses from occupancy, how is mining for a high industrial index better than grinding structures? If I wanted to shoot rocks, I could have stayed in high-sec. At least tie the industrial index to industry maybe? Probably in the form of building/producing stuff? Maybe even consider planetary industry. Yes to all those options! Though someone is no doibt glong to game the system by running hundreds of jons to build stuff, then reprocess it and build more stuff, just to keep the index high. One option is, of course, to recruit miners. You know, those people you laugh at and like to throw stones at in hisec. Defense is not the way to go here. Well I guess the miners can all use procurers and defend the control nodes but... well they're not the highsec miners you're looking for, are they ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30761	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:54:24 - [2054] - Quote ...trying to figure out if I can somehow mitigate my 200m ISK per character per month membership fee, as a tosser. Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6552	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:54:31 - [2055] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Papa Django wrote: On a single sov sure, but you cant be everywhere. Are you kidding? Hell's bells, if frigates can fit these things, they will require even less resources and commitment than an afk cloaker, for vastly greater effect. I thought AFK cloakers were incapable doing anything. You're right. This can actually do something besides give renters the badfeelz. Considering the stagnation of the game that may well be the much needed effect. It's time they HTFU. Yeah like with jump fatigue, it really shook things up. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
M1k3y Koontz Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking 691	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:54:53 - [2056] - Quote Gevlon Goblin wrote: The problem with the Entosis trolling isn't that it cannot be countered. It can. The famous "trollceptor" can all be countered by a Rifter with a T1 Entosis link orbiting the structure at 5 km, freezing the timer. The problem is that countering Entosis trolling is so boring gameplay that you'll wish you'd still be grinding stations in Drakes. Either a mobile group needs to run up and down in the region whacking moles, or every system needs to have guards who just do nothing (or mine/rat at the keyboard) for 4 hours and respond to the ping. If they fail, everyone yell at them because 2 days later 10 nodes needs to be captured. If they win every time, they spent 4 hours of their lives at the keyboard with a handful of trivial killmails. Again: 4 hours of focused gameplay and practically no result. At least you could watch TV between reloads with the Drake. The attacker should commit something worth killing, so the defenders - if did their job well - go home with a nice killboard. Gelvon, when have you ever ground stations in a drake? Counter-lasering a structure is vastly superior to HP grinds because there's no longer an inherent number advantage, number requirement, nor supercapital mandate just to play the game. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6553	Posted - 2015.03.05 02:56:30 - [2057] - Quote M1k3y Koontz wrote: Gevlon Goblin wrote: The problem with the Entosis trolling isn't that it cannot be countered. It can. The famous "trollceptor" can all be countered by a Rifter with a T1 Entosis link orbiting the structure at 5 km, freezing the timer. The problem is that countering Entosis trolling is so boring gameplay that you'll wish you'd still be grinding stations in Drakes. Either a mobile group needs to run up and down in the region whacking moles, or every system needs to have guards who just do nothing (or mine/rat at the keyboard) for 4 hours and respond to the ping. If they fail, everyone yell at them because 2 days later 10 nodes needs to be captured. If they win every time, they spent 4 hours of their lives at the keyboard with a handful of trivial killmails. Again: 4 hours of focused gameplay and practically no result. At least you could watch TV between reloads with the Drake. The attacker should commit something worth killing, so the defenders - if did their job well - go home with a nice killboard. Gelvon, when have you ever ground stations in a drake? Counter-lasering a structure is vastly superior to HP grinds because there's no longer an inherent number advantage, number requirement, nor supercapital mandate just to play the game. Plus, go the limit please. Ishtars and other drone-type ships (and of course laser ones) don't reload. (Of course I do also like the bombless bomber that was supposed to end us, but heh) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Proton Stars OREfull 55	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:01:12 - [2058] - Quote I bet ccp are comparing post density and speed to other mega threads to statistically come to a conclusion that has little to do with anything posted here.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6553	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:01:30 - [2059] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: ...trying to figure out if I can somehow mitigate my 200m ISK per character per month membership fee, as a tosser. You can if you work hard and aspire to spaceriches. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Optimist Bob School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:05:23 - [2060] - Quote Might I respectfully suggest that CCP consider one small change. That rather than reinforcing with an Entosis module incrementally, an attacker must have his Entosis module on the sovereignty unit being attacked for the full timer. Thus, any form of LOL reinforcing may be reverse trolled by simply waiting until the timer has nearly expired before decloaking a Falcon, jamming the aggressor and resetting the entire process. Thus, an attacker must be committed to the conquest, or run the risk of being trolled himself.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6553	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:09:33 - [2061] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Roofdog2 wrote: and now picture a racoon in a yellow dress trying to sick a fish in the beehive (no idea why, but i wonder how many ppl invisioned it) Legit. Are you sure that it is a yellow dress and not some other color... There may be more than one possible SKIN involved. (I know amarr is yellow... or golden but the lighting...) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Eli Apol Pro Synergy 213	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:12:10 - [2062] - Quote Optimist Bob wrote: Might I respectfully suggest that CCP consider one small change. That rather than reinforcing with an Entosis module incrementally, an attacker must have his Entosis module on the sovereignty unit being attacked for the full timer. Thus, any form of LOL reinforcing may be reverse trolled by simply waiting until the timer has nearly expired before decloaking a Falcon, jamming the aggressor and resetting the entire process. Thus, an attacker must be committed to the conquest, or run the risk of being trolled himself. Maybe too harsh to have it fully reset each time but also it backs up my prior suggestion for marauders to be the uber entosis ships with ewar immunity but no time penalty :)
win189 Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:13:17 - [2063] - Quote Well it seems CCp did another lets go have a party at the local pub and head back to work to make ideas for Sov as we keep holding back all info or train of thought cause were going to think of this in 1 hour or less ill put this Simple and in a brief overview Link idea Good making link easy to obtain and were any one that paid for a 1 month subscription can trol 3 systems (very bad) (possible fix Science 5 infomorph 2 for t1 5 for t2 and that it can only be fitted on a t2 or t3) Timers are far to short even when grinding sov it can take hours less supers on field Link should use Something Like Stront to work which would encourage more team work and not just one person cloaky camping a system tell no one is inside and then start working a timer Also any ship with the link can not cloak or has a cool down timer before the ship can cloak Station services should not be vulnerable unless the tcu is past its first timer as people would just go around trolling people all day and despite your bot policy there are many bots still roaming i can see this just being something put on a bot any system with 5 5 5 for the indexes should be exempt from any kind of Sov fees seeing that would give this a benefit The moment the Module is activated it can not be deactivated tell its full cycle is complete preventing cloak the ship can not fly out side the Range of the module during that time and the moment its started alliance is notified and the cycle will last a minimum 15 min and if used on a cap its min should be 14 for t1 13 min for t2 also if home team uses 2 modules and attackers use 1 module the attack should be reversed as long as the 2 modules are still active tell the cycle ends up to a max of 5 total links making it a race to who gets the most links on the object (example away puts 1 link on defenders put on 1 which opens 3 additional possible links which will be first come first serve team with the most links on after the last ships cycle wins that fight any system with no station takes no less then 30 min for reinforce regardless of level of system link on a Stargate can have a chance to temporarily interrupt travel further more with this taking place it basicly makes Capitals useless you first limit peoples movement and then make it hard to defend i want my carrier to jump further
M1k3y Koontz Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking 693	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:14:45 - [2064] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: I'm confident that we've got enough manpower to give "zero craps" about this, and that if anything, we're actually trying to point out an actual problem which'll affect other, smaller groups than us to a much greater degree. But that'd be ludicrous, right? Because grrgoons. Over 9 regions? Best of luck with that. I found a WH to Branch once about a month ago, made it 10 systems (and made over 100m in exploration loot) before I saw another player. And he wasn't even CFC. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
M1k3y Koontz Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking 693	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:21:29 - [2065] - Quote Mostlyharmlesss wrote: If the changes goes through like they are now, I'm unironically going to take a 200 man interceptor fleet to Provi and reinforce the entire region in 4 hours. You know, I remember this kind of rhetoric before. When the mobile siphon units were announced Goons swarmed (no pun intented) the thread with comments about how their siphons would blot out the sun, how they would siphon every moon in EVE. And it never happened. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 3197	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:22:17 - [2066] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I've been thinking about these blitzing inty fleets. My first though was about all the tools at our disposal to counter such lol-fit ships, for which there are plenty. However, further pondering has brought to mine the underlying problem that is driving this ridiculous scenario: It comes down to the battle of effort. Sov. war, over the years, has basically evolved into break-their-will campaigns, where you first exhaust your opponent's will to fight long before you successfully take their space. The problem with the proposed scenario isn't so much inty's RF'ing structures, but that the effort to reclaim those structures is pretty heavy. We can prevent inties and dessies from fitting the entosis link, but we'll still have the same situation. It is very easy for an organization to segregate their fleet into many, many small parts that simultaneously attack the sov of many structures. While many of these individuals will be countered, many more will also succeed. This is true anytime you have an empire expanding more than a constellation. Every successfully RF'd structure then results in a not insignificant effort by the defenders to reclaim the system or lose it. The disparity is in the effort to RF the structure vs the effort to reclaim it. That is really what needs to be balanced. Truth be told, if no one shows up, I believe the structures should revert back to the original owners control naturally. Also, I feel like there needs to be an additional step (i.e. an investment in effort) before the attackers truly make sov vulnerable. Focusing on link fit inties is really sidetracking us from the above discussion, which is something we should be having. you can only troll an alliance if it overextended and owns a lot of space. If you don't own more than you can defend the problem doesn't exist. We already have the same situation in FW. Nobody trolls someone in their home system since it doesn't work. but backend system nobody really cares about are flipped all the time. I think nullsec might be very similar after the change. You will only want to hold as much sov as you can defend... for your own sanity. how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
M1k3y Koontz Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking 693	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:23:57 - [2067] - Quote Querns wrote: Eli Apol wrote: Querns wrote: I must admit to being moderately amused by the folks who think that activating a defensive entosis link somehow prevents the interceptor from causing further harm. Sure, the interceptor at that particular node gets blocked, but he is free to turn around, burn off grid, then travel to a system 10 jumps away in the time it takes you to disengage your link. It's not about the individual sov structure or command node; it's about the ability for the interceptor to, when flown by a moderately competent pilot, to choose to disengage at will should the situation become untenable, and to begin poking another sov structure outside of the reach of any ship but another interceptor. They feel no pity, no remorse, and no pain, and cannot be stopped. Even the Terminator wasn't so lucky. Not every alliance is sprawled across such large areas that an interceptor jumping 10 systems away is still their problem. Most individual regions consist of systems covering more than ten jumps. This assumes we own systems 10j away. We're not all Goonswarm Federation, with our record bot numbers (Deklein had the highest bot bans at fanfest either last year or the year before that), we don't all "need" a whole region to live in. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 11987	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:27:24 - [2068] - Quote Bienator II wrote: you can only troll an alliance if it overextended and owns a lot of space. If you don't own more than you can defend the problem doesn't exist. The way the income is structured, people have to spread themselves thin. This must be accompanied by a nullsec income rework. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6553	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:29:49 - [2069] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: [quote=Bienator II] you can only troll an alliance if it overextended and owns a lot of space. If you don't own more than you can defend the problem doesn't exist. The way the income is structured, people have to spread themselves thin. This must be accompanied by a nullsec income rework. No it doesn't. Just ram this through and let what happens happen ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Lena Lazair Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion 372	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:30:05 - [2070] - Quote Querns wrote: It's not about the individual sov structure or command node; it's about the ability for the interceptor to, when flown by a moderately competent pilot, to choose to disengage at will should the situation become untenable, and to begin poking another sov structure outside of the reach of any ship but another interceptor. NO STRUCTURE will be outside of reach of a defensive E-link for the people actually LIVING THERE. Sov in empty/far-flung systems will be immediately lost. Sov in or very close to every system housing live pilots during that alliance's prime time will be invulnerable to this sneaky interceptor genius. The small alliance holding 3 or 4 systems with 30 or 50 people online doesn't care where the interceptor goes or what it E-links once it leaves their borders. It won't be hard for them to field a couple of defensive E-links within a 2 or 3 jump radius during a 4 hour window that completely negates anything the interceptor can do within their borders. (To be fair, the LARGE alliance holding 300 or 400 systems with 3000 or 5000 people online, in-space, and spread out between all these systems ALSO won't care. Alliance size isn't relevant; having living, online pilots in the systems you own, few or many, is all that matters). Again, all this intentional. Space that is being lived in will be trivial to defend against this kind of harassment. Space that isn't being lived in won't be. That's the basis of the mechanic.



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