All these changes only address one side (and the less important one of) of why null mining isn't happening.

Mining as it is, is a very uninteractive activity. You need a bunch of people sitting in a belt for hours, who can do nothing but drag ore from their bay. At the same time you need someone to clear the rats (who gets to do nothing for ~30min, then be active for 2) and if you plan to defend from PvP enemies, you need a sizable gang on standby (which is supremely boring).


Secondly the exhumers (or at least 1-2 of them or a new class of mining ships) need to be redesigned with the idea of nullsec defensive combat. This doesn't just mean lots of tank, because a helpless ship with lots of tank will just get ground down eventually. They need to actually be able to protect themselves, something like bonuses and slots to allow fitting of undersized weapons (or RLMLs) that would allow a pack of exhumers to not be a pushover for a smaller number of inities or a torp bomber drop. For example adding a max 3 fitted to strip miners, and adding turret/launcher highs, more mids and bonusing small weapons on the hull, but reducing warp speed to make them undesirable offensively.

The inverse of course is making HS more dangerous, to encourage folks to work with other people for protection. If HS wasn't as (and I use this losely because you can still be killed) risk free as it is, then folks would be more encouraged to venture into more risky areas such as LS, NS, WH.

People don't mine in NS, because there are many more activities that generate more isk. Some of which just put it right into your wallet without ever needing to visit the market place to sell stuff. I don't know why people mine at all to be honest, since the isk is pathetic compared to pretty much every other activity.

To the highsec miners complaining that null is getting a boost to mining, well do the simple thing

Move to NullSec

Hi,

I am not a fan of these changes. I do not think you have adequately considered price and manufacturing pressure on existing items. Many items are unprofitable to manufacture in their current form and invention is a total mess even with recent changes, so increasing the mineral cost for these items at the same time sovereignty changes are being introduced is going to have a hugely negative impact on the game, making it much more expensive for people to play. Which works great for your pocketbook, until you start losing subscribers.

I like the idea of nullsec minerals increasing in importance and increasing nullsec self-sufficiency, but the reality is that life is already very difficult for most miners both high and lowsec, and the nullsec mining climate is going to get much more hostile with the increases in roaming gangs under the new sovereignty system. Which is totally fine, but it is going to have a serious net impact on prices, which in turn is going to continue to help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

CCP's changes are getting less and less clued by the day. There are some fantastic ideas being bandied around (and I applaud the innovative spirit, particularly of the structure changes which I think are the best thing to happen to EVE in almost a decade) but the rush to put them in place before they have been thought through is pretty obvious.

Before you do anything, you need to wait for the changes from Fozziesov to settle out, rebalance the industrial ships, take a good hard look at manufacturing profit and mineral content overall, and consider making PVPers make a choice between killing miners/industrialists and killing everything else. My suggestion would be to offer specialized arrays for scanning down mining anomalies. Then there's the question of how to get these minerals out of null, which has gotten pretty difficult with the absolutely dimwitted travel changes and has essentially pushed everyone towards jump freighters.

You can't rely on the market dataset; there are too many items there being sold at levels currently unprofitable to manufacture, which leads one to question whether CCP has any sense of what is actually going on.

If you don't fix industry, EVE will continue to be too expensive to play.

Can you please stop with the braindead decisions?

Eh can just apply the old 3:1 rule, even if you do that for every region no HS you still end up with the majority of people being in HS.

Main, Money Maker, Jita Alt.

Any other alts above that are typically logistical alts, cyno alts, scouting alts, or secondary combat character alts (capitals) Especially now that ISboxer is dead, and soloing Incursions with your 20 highsec alts is no longer permitted. (and given that the sky didn't fall on PLEX prices its safe to say ISboxer wasn't as popular as the woe is me crowd claimed it to be)

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Still mad about the greatest ship ever created! The Venture has utterly made the Hulk useless! So mush for having 100 million mining toon only to watch Mr Venture match me 85 %%%%%%%

April 20th was three days ago, man. A venture in highsec has a yield of 724 m^3 per minute, compared to a covetor's 2923. This is less "85%" and more "24%."

which should never happen since they warp so fast with +2 Warp Core.)

Warp Core Stability doesn't work the way you think it does.

Who is actually raging here?

I'm just calmly pointing out that ganking higher EHP targets is commonly done using ships larger than dessies. I'm also just pointing out that a high sec miner isn't likely to be fielding a max tank, even on a Skiff - yield is always an issue with them.

And, as I told Querns, I play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. WoW is too hardcore for me....

So I missed a ******* comma.
Are you just intentionally daft? Or are you actually incapable of rational thinking? **** me.

I am a CEO of a small industrial corp in our alliance. From everything I have read the changes to ore look good. However there is a difference between on paper and put into practice. I have had to shift to mining in high-sec to gather all the bulk quantities of Tritanium and Pyrite which is not fun. I enjoy null and WH mining more fun however it takes such considerable time to mine out enough material to get the needed quantities.

I will enjoy this coming update because if what they say works out like I am hoping it will I may not have to worry aobut mining in high-sec anymore I can fully mine all needed materiel in null or WH when I find a good one.

As for the Orca and Rorqual I have been getting close to my first year of playing so I have yet to reach the Rorqual however I am just getting the orca so I have heard it mentioned that they have flaws I am hoping that those flaws won't de-rail my plans for the corporation.

I still have alot to learn and I am hoping that I can finally do what I have been wanting to do.

where exactly are you thinking you could put a comma in that sentence that would make it not wrong

If you want to fix nullsec mining, you need to fix the one thing that makes nullsec mining worthless as an isk making activity.

Interceptors.

Stupidly fast, immune to bubbles, instantly know where you are when entering system, they no longer even need to scan, and even if you die you lose 30 mill as opposed to 240 mill for every hulk you blow. And your exhumer WILL blow, even skiffs are totally helpless against inties tackling you and waiting for thier friends on the other side of the gate/worm hole.
Also, not everyone has five alts to scout, and even if they did, you are reducing your income/character to a fifth - in other words the income from null mining would have to be over SIX times better than highsec to justify using one mack plus five cloaky scouts in null as opposed to six macks (or orca + five macks) in high.

Folks like you are essentially the target of these changes. Here's to hoping you can stay in nullsec for all your production needs. :)

Oh, c'mon, Querns (aka Fozzie alt).. this is just too obvious... I *know* this is one of your alts. ;)

And my point is...tank your ship if you think there is a chance of getting suicide ganked. And maybe go find us a skiff kill in HS. I spent a few minutes doing it and couldn't. Doesn't mean there isn't one, but it seems if you use a skiff you become less likely to be ganked...maybe because nobody uses them in HS*...or because they can have a pretty impressive tank.

*I highly ******* doubt this. After all on the page for skiffs at zkillboard there are plenty of catalyst kills....killed by the skiff and concord.

Ok, you caught me, I too am an alt of Querns.

Tsk, tsk... you are simply too naive to realize how truly skilled Querns is in the forum PVP game... lol.

Ok, you caught me, I too am an alt of Querns.

...? Are you trying to solo mine in a system that's a 5 way intersection?

Provi manages to mine despite tons of people coming to shoot them for ***** and giggles (including me about 30 minutes ago), Brave mined even in camped system, Test mines, all of the random N3 alliances in poorly secured systems mined too.

Are you telling me that despite being in a large alliance in the most stable and developed coalition in the game, living in a fairly isolated region, you are incapable of running even a basic intel network or placing a scout or two in the neighboring systems so that you can see people coming? Even if they were not reported in your apparently non-existent intel channels?

Go away with your useless complaints if they can't be based in reality. Nobody uses one miner and 5 cloaky scouts. Nobody with two functional brain cells mines in a 5 way intersection anyway.

And, my point is that you need to drink a beer and take a chill pill. This is just a game, friend. Don't get so stressed about it - relax and you'll live longer in RL, where it really counts. :)

Clearly, you don't play much in high sec... and probably don't want to. That is 100% ok.

But, this also means that there is not much point for you to be arguing about what happens in high sec with the players who do play in high sec. When you do so, you are merely doing the same silly thing that null players often complain about with regards to the high sec players who argue endlessly about null sec - ie. talking about what they really don't know. Let it go and move on.

And, my point is that you need to drink a beer and take a chill pill. This is just a game, friend. Don't get so stressed about it - relax and you'll live longer in RL, where it really counts. :)

Clearly, you don't play much in high sec... and probably don't want to. That is 100% ok.

But, this also means that there is not much point for you to be arguing about what happens in high sec with the players who do play in high sec. When you do so, you are merely doing the same silly thing that null players often complain about with regards to the high sec players who argue endlessly about null sec - ie. talking about what they really don't know. Let it go and move on.

Clearly, you don't play much in high sec... and probably don't want to. That is 100% ok.

But, this also means that there is not much point for you to be arguing about what happens in high sec with the players who do play in high sec. When you do so, you are merely doing the same silly thing that null players often complain about with regards to the high sec players who argue endlessly about null sec - ie. talking about what they really don't know. Let it go and move on.

This change will deplete nullsec need for highsec ore our incomes will drop. NOTHING else in the game needs to change except the proposed changes for our (*Highsec*) incomes to drop.

I am NOT asking for my ISK / hr to go up, find any place I asked for that. Im asking for it not to go down.

Usual gewnspeak, trying to troll, ignoring everything, typical density and no-brain show.
Once again, for special people, and those who are below them, and gewns who are below those:
1) There are no meaningful advantages of Skiff over Procurer.
2) If something attacks the miner and it's not a low-dps rat, the miner is dead, no matter what he pilots.

Suicide wanking is 100% foolproof, but I guess it's still not 100% gewnproof, as you seem convinced you can find new ways for it to fail, despite it being foolproof.[

That's too bad. Fight and take space closer to Lowsec if you want easier access to the minerals.

Lets face it peeps, CCP is out of control plain and simple. This game has gone to **** ever since CCP ran off all the RMT's. I liked it better when RMT's were in charge... they didnt CHANGE things every 3 months or less. They simply CHARGED more.

Noooo, this is such a good opportunity for ore tiericide :(

We don't need 96 different ore markets for 8 types of minerals!