Seems reasonable and somewhat close to the numbers i had the other day (4T 10P, 40M, 90I) So i guess we in discussions over what 5% call it a wash?

As I've mentioned, it will rebalance with the prices of Lowends going lower and spreading their share to Highends in a few months time.

Tritanium alone going from 5.5 to 4.5 would shave 14 mil off the cost. Mexallon at 42-43 ISK p/u is also nice.

Oooh, and Pyerite at 9.35, and Isogen at 105 p/u... And...

That's even more extreme than my original forecast,



I don't see them going any lower than this +-5%. Not with the capital ships firmly established in the game.

Damn capital ships.

True enough, the only outlier really is how much ore stays in NS compared to today...and if JFs change at all, then the price in HS for M/Z will increase more than just flat out availabilty metrics....I suppose time will tell.

Will any of the manufacturing changes go to the test server before being released live?

Its really to broad of scope for any accurate feedback anyway since it is mostly reliant on the market adjusting, as such Sisi will only provide false data in comparison to the market on TQ, and there is much much more volatility on TQ compared to Sisi that will impact these changes in the weeks/months to come.

By volatility on TQ, you mean liquidity, for higher liquidity equals lower volatility.

A very liquid marked moving on fundamental changes does truly represent the full scope of said changes, and can not be simulated in a lab environment like Singularity - that is true.

I was mostly referring to volatile decisions by players, since they drive the market. But same out come regardless.

So in six months it will be supers and tech3 online. Almost interesting changes for null space.

I foresee ships and gear prices skyrocket, nullsec says 'screw empire space, ahahahahaha' and stops exporting all together. Nobody can buy gear and ships anymore and everyone is forced to fly newly gimped tech3, nullsec flies supers and titans all day long.

nullsec get good(ererer) and empire is a tritanium haven for bittervets -> EVE offline.

Anyone making a "volatile decision" in a marketplace generally doesn't have enough ISK to have a serious impact on that market.

Manipulation, on the other hand...

edit: yes you mentioned manipulation above :) just pointing out most large swings in markets are not from an accidental "volatile decision"

This still doesn't fix the reason no one mines...

theoretical max isk/hour mining would be MAYBE 60M with these changes, so actual would be something closer to 30M and you would need minimum of 6 people mining at once (4 miners, hauler, booster).

You can pretty easily make 60M/hour ratting (iirc, it's been a while since i ratted) solo with generally the same risk and slightly less boringness.

If you want people to mine in null you can't have an alternative that has similar risk, is more entertaining, and nets you double the profit... You have to either increase the profit or decrease the risk relative to ratting

This still doesn't fix the reason no one mines...

theoretical max isk/hour mining would be MAYBE 60M with these changes, so actual would be something closer to 30M and you would need minimum of 6 people mining at once (4 miners, hauler, booster).

You can pretty easily make 60M/hour ratting (iirc, it's been a while since i ratted) solo with generally the same risk and slightly less boringness.

If you want people to mine in null you can't have an alternative that has similar risk, is more entertaining, and nets you double the profit... You have to either increase the profit or decrease the risk relative to ratting

Gave up on mining in December, un-subbed ten accounts and trashed the equipment due to CCP's ham fisted nerf's.

Gave up on mining in December, un-subbed ten accounts and trashed the equipment due to CCP's ham fisted nerf's.

Nothing here entices me to consider mining as a profession again, Tinkering with Ore contents which were never the real issues with mining in the first place will not solve the problems as pointed out by Our Anzac member.

'FozzieSov' and his 'Tosser' units will in my view seal the fate of Null Sec mining anyway as there will be so few players in Null Sec doing anything interesting except 'Griefing' each other his plans to turn EVE into one gigantic Jita 4-4 undock scenario will result in only one end, Players will own nothing, build nothing and plan nothing in Null Sec so not much point in mining out there.

Happy now to just run two toons ratting, make double plus the ISK and not have the bother of running a mining fleet at all while I watch these fools trash the game for hundreds of players.

Way to Go Fozzie, LoSec born and bred.

Don't worry.

Once the ihubs get trashed your ratting income will fall off a cliff

Or perhaps another anom nerf, thanks to all the people bragging about their ratting

No matter what changes you make, mining will always be subject to market forces and driven down to whatever level it settles at.

And plenty of people mine. It's exactly the reason mining has its lower income rates.

You mean, ISBoxer ban, darling?

Don't be hurt.

See what happens when bots run wild on the Eve server Serenity - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4990317

Only the bots and people who sell their PLEX, or RMT to do PvP are left in the game, no human is seen doing any PvE, and everything is 3-10x times more expensive.

Incidentally, that thread was posted on Sept of 2014, and let run to 6 pages.

Yes, the ISBoxer ban (well the limited ban that is).

Don't try using logic with the overly emotional it rarely works.

Good luck in market PVP tomorrow and the weeks to come everyone!

Don't forget that the IHubs also have the industrial upgrades too, and most null systems don't spawn the ABCM ores in the normal belts.

Yay, Fozziesov!

fix the refining soon ???

whats to fix about the refining? its perfectly fine as it is

Why are the rocks so small and so far apart in belts after the patch?