It's visually disappointing isn't it? Everything that should be there is there, but it's so empty. If you're on an overview tab without asteroids you can't even tell you've arrived.

All the high unit count rocks are gone (because most of those were high sec ores).

Rock size ought to scale with the total volume of their ores, instead of the number of units. That way a 1000 unit mercoxit rock would be 400 times the size of a 1000 unit veldspar rock, instead of the current identical size.

They should also scale their diameter to cube root (a rock with 8 times the volume should have only 2 times the diameter) rather than the current (apparently) linear scaling.

Don't forget that the IHubs also have the industrial upgrades too, and most null systems don't spawn the ABCM ores in the normal belts.

Yay, Fozziesov!

It is all nice to rebalance but what about the high sec manufactors, they being screwed as there is no megacyte and zydrine in high sec they have to be independed from market and that just rised about double the isk

You guys might all be great with this but really i think with all this rebalacing the game is not so great as it used to be.

Yeah I know you all start screaming leave the game etc, well I am when subscribtion is over and no you can not have my stuff.

We pay for this game but we have no saying in what we want changed and all.

CCP f***ed up industry big time imo.

there is loads more but I am not really going to bother with that

Enjoy the game, fly safe

It is all nice to rebalance but what about the high sec manufactors, they being screwed as there is no megacyte and zydrine in high sec they have to be independed from market and that just rised about double the isk

You guys might all be great with this but really i think with all this rebalacing the game is not so great as it used to be.

Yeah I know you all start screaming leave the game etc, well I am when subscribtion is over and no you can not have my stuff.

We pay for this game but we have no saying in what we want changed and all.

CCP f***ed up industry big time imo.

there is loads more but I am not really going to bother with that

Enjoy the game, fly safe

@CCP Fozzie
The new mineral composition is fine and all, but you guys forgot to adjust the volumes of the compressed ores.
Right now, the best way to compress Tritanium is Compressed Hemorphite, with a whooping compression ratio of over 1:100 (meaning 1m-¦ of compressed ore contains over 100m-¦ of minerals if refined, the intended ratio is about 1:20). Best for Pyerite? Hedbergite with around 1:70. Jaspet is still fine, but all the 0.0 ores have the same problem, their ratio is too high.
If this is intended, I won't complain. Instead I'll be putting up buy orders for those in Jita next time I need larger quantities of those minerals

(Dons flame-retardant gear.)

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(Sorry for the Tangent)

BREAKING NEWS - Mexallon has fallen to 48.6 ISK p/u in the Forge region - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5711392#post5711392

I'm literally watching my recent plagioclase investment crumble underneath me. Oops.

(Dons flame-retardant gear.)

These changes seem like a step in the right direction. However, they do not change the need for miners to mine unwanted ores in anomalies to cycle them. Similarly, one of the main things about Eve's mining system has always bugged me is the lack of competition for resources because they respawn so frequently, predictably, and abundantly. If these changes do not bring back the tiered pricing of ores, I think that CCP should strongly consider changing their availability and ease of access. Really, how often do miners have to change solar systems and what percent of Eve's available roids are actually mined each day?

Mercoxit is a good example. I agree with Querns and others about removing Mercoxit almost entirely from anomalies, because of anomaly cycling. Make Mercoxit special, like NPC special... This would allow it to mostly spawn in comets... (I know... but please hear me out. I'll keep the tangent short.)

I started with the assumption that comet mining hasn't happened yet because of technical issues, like asteroids aren't coded to be mobile. NPCs are mobile, though, and can go in one direction at 1km/sec (+-). Only one thing would be needed to create a very natural-feeling mini-game, a Mercoxit-damage halo and tail. The damaging halo/tail, in combination with the existing navigation and combat mechanics, would manifest as a naturally occurring mini-game.

Benefits of comet as NPC:

• DScan and combat probes needed to find them (could add comet prospecting to Exploration profession)
• Warping to signature would put the ship 20km+ away and in the Mercoxit-damage tail (not a safe place)
• Large/long engine contrail (kilometers long) could be used as the comet's tail if needed
• Using "Keep at distance" or "Orbit" would quickly land the ship in the damaging tail (manual piloting would be required)
• NPC combat mechanics could be used to occasionally create massive Mercoxit-cloud eruptions at players (long lock, fire, untarget) with smartbomb effect or single-target attack with low-tracking/high-signature turret
• Jet-can mining would leave a string of cans to pick up

The main issues I can think of:

• Ore tables (back-end) would have to be connected to an NPC somehow
• Area of effect damage in tail
• Art of gaseous eruptions and tail (optional)
• Barges/Exhumers would need PG bonuses to equip MWD

(Sorry for the Tangent)

You know, I heard a rumour there are these things called static belts in Null, that have even more in them than highsec, and a mix of all the ores as well. And given there are even more null systems than high, and high has no industrial anoms.... this must mean that all the ore that null currently imports could easily just come from their static belts.

You just won't be satisfied till CCP gives you absolute perfect braindead mining in the anoms will you? It's already been just handed to you on a silver platter needing only slight balancing, now you want it on the gold platter with platinum inlay as well.

Not that anyone ever mined omber, as it has, /by far/ the lowest isk/m3 of any ore.

Currently 193 isk/m3, compared to the next lowest of Veld at 238 (atm. Prices have adjusted. But these are from the mineral prices, at 100% refine)

Not me personally, no. I left the cesspool that is nullsec a long time ago. Also, your analogy is pretty disingenuous since doomsdays aren't aoe and can't even target everything universally like sub caps can. Though I do like the idea of stealth bombers being able to bomb anoms.

Besides, the lol factor, you haven't actually pointed out why this is a bad idea. Bombing strategic resources like mines etc in WWII made since, so why wouldn't it make since in this context?

]Well, not exactly true. The static belts in nul have no proximity and grouping to be effectively mining efficient. In comparision, old anoms and high security static belts have higher mining efficiency, with much fewer warp-in locations required to mine the entire belt. Ores in nul static belts are sometimes spread out over vast distances; anomalies and high-sec belts are nothing like that, making them much easier to mine to completion.

Assuming Orca boosts that don't even need to be maxed, a group of barges starting at warp in can start mining instantly and will never need to warp to find fresh targets providing they move efficiently through the belt in a pattern rather than random directions.
Well, at the least most belts. I did a survey of Null belts and it was very rare that any rocks were more than 50k off the belt, and orca boosts put you up into being able to find a mid point so when rocks on one side run out you switch to the other side.
If there are rocks which are very inconvenient, you simply leave them, since you don't need to mine your belts out for downtime respawn.

There is no reason high sec mining belts have a higher mining efficiency. The whole 'never touch belts' thing actually came from when Anoms were Sigs instead, so mining in a belt meant people could find you without probes, while mining in a sig was safer.
Additionally those guides tend to have been written 4-5 years ago before Null massively overmined ABC's and crashed the price, so stripping the Sigs was actually significantly more valuable, and ore compression was terrible as was refining at the time.

Ok, exaggerations I am still unhappy that you've taken the "guess-work" out of mining meta-game and how much you have nerfed mineral compositions of ores now too. We don't need more Tritanium in ores! We don't really need more Pyerite in Null ores, not at the cost of Zyd and Mega atleast!!

Thanatos (angrily) out, o7

Mining in high sec is safe and easy. Mining in Null is a smaller market and risky dangerous. Nothing worse than a couple campers maroon in a crew of miners in station for an hour. You need guns in null to win. These changes seem to be to adjust the market...not affect mining mechanics or game play. It won't change much of anything.