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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1489
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:06:38 -
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The icons are annoying. It is overly confusing that NPC ships have the exact same icons as player ships. No, the faint grey filling does not make a difference. At all. The shapes are what matter and everytime I warp to a gate in High sec, I now see tons of BS and frigates and have to watch my overview to make sure that there are no player ships or that there are player ships. This is not "more intuitive and it does not give more useful information".
Station Tab :: UI Improvement Collective
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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Affirmative.
405
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:10:48 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:I think my biggest issue with the icons currently, is the inability to tell what's a Friendly NPC and what's a Player at Stargates, didn't really notice it testing on SiSi because I never saw another player in space. It would be nice to at least have the NPCs able to be set to a different colour in states or similar change. To help illustrate my point from earlier, please consider this screenshot I just took in game, http://gyazo.com/4529e9cde09498760554042b64f53d00
Now tell me which icon/s are the NPCs and which are the Player/s?
Frankly if I didn't have those specific NPCs filtered out on my overview I wouldn't be able to tell you either. |
Jagious
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:14:49 -
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Blood Enslaver wrote:You people really are afraid of learning new things.
Yeah but when games get a bunch of useless changes that dont need to be changed in the first place, it ruins the gameplay for the veterens. I dont want to see EvE end up like WoW unrecognizable, dull, and easy |
Aeon Veritas
Lobach Inc. Easily Offended
1
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:16:46 -
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Circumstantial Evidence wrote:Aeon Veritas wrote:Do I understand that correctly that we can pre-set our default vulnerability timers but they are useless until after Aegis? That would leave the sation Services 24/7 vulnerable. Hopefully a misunderstanding of mine... fyi Well, thanks for the information... |
sthymj
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:28:56 -
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I'm sorry but the new icons are just horrible. Yes Im sure we will all get used to them, eventually, thats because humans can get used to anything given enough time, even torture.
Why the hell didnt you go with the icons described in the Dev Blog?
Please allow us to opt out and use the old set until you work out how to fix them.
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Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:32:38 -
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I haven't found anything about loot tables being changed, but yesterday I made 400 million from two HS sites - one Dread Gurista had 3 deadspace modules on him, other guy had Worm + another modules.
Maybe just luck, but basically all faction spawns had valuable loot on them.
Also got two escalation from roughly 5 basic hideaways. Both escalations led to lowsec though - first one leading 7 jumps from the place I was, second just four. I guess now it will try to always escalate to lowsec?
The overview thing did confuse the hell out of me, but I guess its just matter of getting used to. To be honest, I don't see the point really...
Suggestion: since you overhauled the icons, why not changing the icons for wrecks also? Just turn the NPC icon upside down and the one with outline will indicate empty wreck, icon with fill will indicate wreck with loot. |
Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
79
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:42:28 -
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Claymore, Lebowski, Surge,
Today fix will be for the old icons right?
As you can see more then 70% of the ppl are for the old one. |
Souiginto
Erratic. Easily Excited
5
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:44:08 -
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No idea but I see loads of deployables... |
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance
155
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:48:10 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:Thank you for all your feedback so far. Actually those overview icons are not that bad. BUT! Can we please have ye olde colored neocom icons back? It's been months since you destroyed them, and I still miss their look. My nostalgia tears me apart when I watch youtube videos. How awesome they were and how blunt they are now. I'm not colorblind, why do you make me feel like I am? |
Lady Magneta
grupa gru
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 07:52:34 -
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"Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered."
So yeah, why don't we bring back the dull and disgustingly bad "normal" level 4s, which we had the pleasure to grind on the last decade. Burners were are great change and a good risk for isk reward for those willing to take it, I noticed this change was not so small after all, even by adding a new Angel Cartel burner ( which has the same 300k reward and 1800 lp bug the others had when first introduced ), the rate of burner offers was lowered by a not so small margin. This just makes me sad, it was a fun and quick isk to be had. |
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Squatdog
State Protectorate Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:00:21 -
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Constructive feedback for the Carnyx update:
The new icons are terrible. How do I disable them?
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
798
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:10:28 -
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I think that forcing all EVE players, with their many diverse tastes and requirements, to tolerate one centrally mandated UI skin is doomed to failure.
It would be far better to allow the EVE community to produce their own skins.
I certainly wouldn't choose to have the old skin or this new one, because they were both designed by someone who has very different tastes to me and quite obviously doesn't play the game in the same way I do. |
Steroidastroid Ormand
Trident Enterprises Inc
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:13:17 -
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Just another reply about new icons (yes they're awful) - With the old overview I was just sweeping my eye across the window and in 1 second I got all the info that I need! - Now with the new one, even if I learn what each icon means, I will still need much more time to analyze it because I can't just sweep my eye, I have to look specificaly at each icon and think: "Uh... the cruiser icon with a bar underneath it... right, that's a battlecruiser!.. oops I got killed already?" - And of course: npc friendly ships looking just like player ships is a bad idea - npc hostile ships... at least they're still red, but same here: you need to look for 5 seconds to understand who's a frig and who's a bs. (they should be at least more bold)
And some small things: where is the logic? - why capsule icon is larger than a rookie ship? - why shuttle icon is larger that a rookie ship? - and seriously? a special icon for a Venture? (that is smaller than a shuttle) - and a special icon for orca?? for real? - jumps freighter icon is just too large and i should be the same as orca's - MTU and mob. depot icons are too large. (why it's SO large???) - And at last - why ship icons aren't sorted??? (by the icon type)
PS: you said you have a team working on this? A WHOLE TEAM?????? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1791
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:13:59 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Removing them when they aren't moving or you don't have them selected is on our list for the next iteration.
I'd suggest removing them when they are 100% captured by the owner and not selected. "Not moving" doesn't sound like the wise thing to do, since a 50% disabled service would probably interest pilots, even if its not moving anymore.
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Exploration Frontier Inc [Ex-F] CEO - BRAVE - Eve-guides.fr
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Staxu
Cyrk stracencow
2
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:16:15 -
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John WarpingSlow wrote:The overview icons... Oh god.
Is there any way to go back to old overview?? Don't take it wrong I really do like most of your new things, like colorful anomalies and signatures indicators...but that overview...cmon. I don't say get rid of it, just let people use old one too. |
Vitaly Just
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:18:33 -
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I like new overview icons And yes, we need time to get used to it, but now overview has become much more informative then before.
And graphical changes with ships are AWESOME! |
KazakArkov
Machine Heart Gaming
1
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:22:56 -
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Patch crashed my PC and caused me to loose a Vargur, I'm telling ya it was not as much fun as it sounds. Had to reinstall the entire game again after several times of trying to repair the game. Fun times. |
Staxu
Cyrk stracencow
2
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:26:23 -
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Nami Miyasaki wrote:The icons are awesome!
Objectively good artistic work.
Only reason why people dont like them is because they havent become used to associate the icons yet.
So how many ship people should wreck to learn the new icons? this is terrible. We need option "go back to old overview", that should be easy for so good team of programmers. |
Steroidastroid Ormand
Trident Enterprises Inc
2
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:27:18 -
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CCP Surge wrote:Anyone else think a custom "icon color" would be a good option to expose to aid in situational awareness?
Not icon color. Just make player ships look more different than npcs. bolder maybe |
Arbor Wattle
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:31:28 -
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Why is the patch so big. I just looked at how much was download 2.4g.
Why so big? i am on metered internet after a set amount and i dont want to pay for eve and extra internet. |
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Pytonus Inlautus
No Drama Club
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:35:45 -
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CCP Surge wrote:Anyone else think a custom "icon color" would be a good option to expose to aid in situational awareness? Some way to change the player controlled ships icons would be great. Be it by color or (or even better and) baldness. |
Staxu
Cyrk stracencow
3
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:38:15 -
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DHuncan wrote:I logged, undocked, saw the icons, docked back again and logged off.
Will see how many ships I'll wreck trying learn new overview and maybe will dock until update fixing that horrible thing.
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Sturmwolke
650
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:40:42 -
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Overview icons, a positive improvement from those horrible concepts put forward in the last blog regarding the icons. These new icons are quite decent.
However (echoing some earlier posts), those lightly shaded NPCs are problematic. They're almost indistinguishable from player icons. Either increase their shading, turn them solid white or change their color to a green hue (which sort compliments the std red NPCs).
The extra granularity for some containers and wrecks are also somewhat debatable. 8 different designs for containers is imo, too granular. Start with less, expand if absolutely necessary. Shaded vs non-shaded wrecks for NPC vs player touches on the same visibility issue as the 2nd paragraph. It's a quandry that needs a proper solution.
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Anah Sarlai
Umbra-Domini SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:42:41 -
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Hi CCP, i only have 1 suggestion concidering icons
The battleship icon is hilariously small compared to the battlecruiser one, the feel of bigger ship targetting/watching from overview completly lost its way. Others are quite fine, but could you atleast do something about the icons to really give the feel back ure targetting something big? at the oldscool crossing u could always see (basicly from the fill % in the icon space gives it) how big target ure targetting
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Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa Neo-Bushido Movement
345
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:45:18 -
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New icons are really hard to make out at 90% UI scaling. |
Cyrexoziz
Lightning From A Clear Sky
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:46:28 -
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Are you ppl huffin' noble gasses or something ?!?! What the hell is this sh*t ??? Triangles for bogeys ? "Oh the triangle flips over and poops when it becomes a wreck, how neat... NO!!!" And the Overview icons looks like something from a 90's game ?! And i only JUST logged in. |
Valenas Grayson
Phoibe Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:47:18 -
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Well I think the new icons -do- look like mini- space invaders. This needs some getting used to and I agree that there is a lot of room for improvement. I especially like the ideas of differentiating between player and non-player ships. |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
86
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:47:57 -
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I'm starting to like them brackets. |
bigM
Trotters Interstellar Logistics
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:50:35 -
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Have to say im not having any of the bugs or issues others are reporting everything running fine here. only issue i have is with these awful new icons in overview as im sure its been said before "why fix what isnt broken" not a fan of them at all :( |
Lahnius
15
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Posted - 2015.06.03 08:51:08 -
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CCP Surge wrote:For now a few things
- I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely.
- Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85
- While GÇ£deconstructive feedbackGÇ¥ is cathartic in some ways I am sure, itGÇÖs likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things.
- We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having.
Thanks for reading!
GET USED TO?????????????? look the only damn thing that you said about this nightmare of a trainwreck that was even remotely correct was "MESSY BLOB" ...
face reality, the icons look like crap, the icons hurt peoples eyes, the icons are awkward and clumsy.
seriously here, what person with a brain could even possibly see these ridiculous icons as useful? come on now, look at them, they look like something out of this:
what the icons remind me of
DAY 2 AND NOPE, I STILL THINK THE ICONS LOOK LIKE COMPLETE ****! |
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