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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:45:00 -
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Tuxford said in a blog once  Quote:
"In my opinion there is not much wrong with dedicated ECM ships. They are very powerful and can lockdown multiple opponents but they are very vulnerable Anyone that has failed a jam in one of these ships knows how fast they go down"
Fair enough you sacrifice tank for jammers but when a dedicated ECM ship in new kali cant even jam a Vaga (strenght 14) with 6 multi specs and all its lows full of signal amps (hypnos) and battleship 5 makes me wonder..
Tuxford said the problem was tanking and jamming together which is fair enough but instead you made jammers weak even on the ship thats specialiszed in it and taken there tank away meaning a failed jam will happen and you die. the scorpion has little damge output anyways and now has the same bonuses as a Cruiser (blackbird) whats that about?
Its supposted to be Quote:
the Scorpion is crammed to the brink with sophisticated hi-tech equipment that few can match.
but in reality it has no DPS and at this point it cant even jam a Cruiser with 6 multis or tank :P ... ???
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:49:00 -
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I kinda agree. It should have been nerfed but right now it became too much.
The nerf could perhaps only apply to non-ew ships and the dedicated ships
gets the full monty as before? Would make more sense imho.
Perhaps even making it so that non-ew ships cant even mount EW modules?
Cheers,
Lowa
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Marcus Alkhaar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:55:00 -
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Gentlemen, may I offer you a bottle of WHINE? 
Originally by: darth solo
I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character |
Rugrat
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:59:00 -
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Marcus Alkhaar, may i offer you a bottle of shut the f*** up ? :) |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:02:00 -
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Sounds strange to me, I keep getting jammed all the time and im very tired of it.
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Commander LoC
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:02:00 -
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Yeah i totally agree, what has happened to ecm is kinda over-nerfed. No ecm dedicated ships shouldnt be able to use ecm as good as they use to be able too, but ecm dedicated ships should definitly be able to jam pretty much anything.. i understand they can miss cycles its only fair but having to run so many jammers to be able to semi-jam 1 ship is rubbish.. you can no longer jam multiple targets as you struggle to keep one target jammed especially with the crappy dps ecm ships get
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Commander LoC
Yeah i totally agree, what has happened to ecm is kinda over-nerfed. No ecm dedicated ships shouldnt be able to use ecm as good as they use to be able too, but ecm dedicated ships should definitly be able to jam pretty much anything.. i understand they can miss cycles its only fair but having to run so many jammers to be able to semi-jam 1 ship is rubbish.. you can no longer jam multiple targets as you struggle to keep one target jammed especially with the crappy dps ecm ships get
yes yes, more cheese w/ our whine
the point is you should be able to lock ppl down, but you should need to use multiple jammers if you want them locked down full time. you should also have to use some racial, not jsut multi's especially if your target runs eccm.
this prevents the one ecm cruiser from locking down 3 perfectly good bs's simultaneously. THAT shouldn't happen, this is why it was nerfed. (that and the whole tech 1 frigate locking down bs's)
they cornered ecm to the specialized ships, and they should be able to do their job well if the pilot is smart enough to know its his offense and defense and fit/fly accordingly.
fit some more ecm mods, use some lows to boost their effectiveness and dont ever be suprised when your one ECM-multi II fails to keep a thron or whatever jammed forever. no more one cruiser locking down 3-4 targets at a time, thats just silly
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Commander LoC
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:12:00 -
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i agree, cruiser shouldnt be able to lock down say 3 targets... either nerf the cruiser or give the scorpion a better boost.. but what makes me laugh is i used 4 multis didnt jam the vaga... i use one caldari racial and it gets 2 cycles straight off. Jamming is still completely stupid. I even have ecm boosters in lows, and i use racials on the right ships they should go on and still not working to well. a ship like a scorpion should be able to jam say 2 battleships for quite sometime.. obviously not permenantly but for a good time it should.
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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: HIdden Canary on 02/12/2006 23:19:17
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the point is you should be able to lock ppl down, but you should need to use multiple jammers if you want them locked down full time. you should also have to use some racial, not jsut multi's especially if your target runs eccm.
yeah should be able to lock down multi targets with multi jammers but when 6 multis cant even jam 1 Crusier how many do you think a scorp can fit ? Quote:
they cornered ecm to the specialized ships
yeah which suck at jamming now even with racials its like giving the raven all the luacher points it has and bonuses but giving it bonuses for guns not missiles ,, dont make sense.
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fit some more ecm mods, use some lows to boost their effectiveness and dont ever be suprised when your one ECM-multi II fails to keep a thron or whatever jammed forever. no more one cruiser locking down 3-4 targets at a time, thats just silly
4 hypnos in the low slots is what was fitted ! 20% per module ..
And when any ships packing ECCM god help any jammer out there because if it cant jam a Target of strenght of 14 with out ECCM then god help it when they have it
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:22:00 -
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Sounds like a very well thought-out scientific test you ran there....
NOT!
/party time, excellent.
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Commander LoC
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:24:00 -
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mate if i was to sit here and name every single experiment ive done on every single ship id be here for a very long time... i used one example from what ive tested.. ofc ive tested others.. but this is just one of very stupid ecm nerfs..
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Ras Blumin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: HIdden Canary
yeah should be able to lock down multi targets with multi jammers but when 6 multis cant even jam 1 Crusier how many do you think a scorp can fit ?
You could try with 7?
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Princess Keela
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:36:00 -
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kail was supposted to make Ecm more dedicated to the ships like (scorp, rook , falcon and so on) but there that weak even on them with maxed out jamming skills that scorps are Useless Compaired to other Bs in the game now,
Sorry but what the changes have done is like taking the domi and not giving it drone bonuses ! the domi is a drone ship so it gets decent DPS with its drones, so why shouldnt ECM ships be able to lock multi targets with a little more ease i mean thay have no DPS, before kail a scorp had a chance 1 vs 1 againt most BS but now they aint got a chance in hell !
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mallina
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:41:00 -
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so you missed ONE jam cycle and think that jamming is now useless
you just want to be able to keep 3 people permajammed at the same time :/
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Shi Mun
Caldari
Aurora Development Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:42:00 -
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well stop using multispectrals constantly and you just *MIGHT* have a better success rate. Racials are by far better than multis
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cytomatrix
Caldari
Catalyst Reaction
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:42:00 -
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Eve's ecm system is quite weird. I remember miserably failing to jam a tech1 cruiser with 1 eccm in my rook(reconlvl4, signal dispersion lvl4) 5 hypnos multispec before the nerf. Then i logged into test server to change skills and someone was outside the station in a dread and i was in a rook with 5 hypnos lows with ecm boosters and i perma jammed that dread for a while.
I am starting to hate this lottery jamming. I also remember jamming a Curse in my frigate fitted with compulsive multispec(sig dispersion lvl4) a while ago. It was a manticore. Really weird!!
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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:47:00 -
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so you missed ONE jam cycle and think that jamming is now useless
1 jam cycle lol try reading if im useing 6 jammers m8 thats 6 cycles im missing ,, over and over not just 1 i wouldnt complain if it was just 1 .. but if 6 cant even get a cycle on a crusier with maxed out jamming skills whats the chances of anything bigger or multi targets ?
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Unfamed II
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:58:00 -
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Learn to play.
Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:12:00 -
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whos amarr ? was that aimed at me ?
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Commander LoC
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:12:00 -
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thats not the point... you have dps.. caldari dont.. so stop your bi***ing! caldari supposedly had jammers.. now they dont
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 03/12/2006 00:20:10
Originally by: Commander LoC
thats not the point... you have dps.. caldari dont.. so stop your bi***ing! caldari supposedly had jammers.. now they dont
"sir this is the fun police.
put your keyboard DOWN and step AWAY from the forums!"
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chromer one
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:29:00 -
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on good thing maybe scorpions wont be primarys 
nor are they EW ships either...
thx for the nerf.
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Commander Wingpop
Dark Twilight Solutions
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:36:00 -
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nor are they EW ships either...
So right about that !
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Kole44
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Posted - 2006.12.03 01:22:00 -
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I gotta agree with the op. My scorp with T2 racials has a strength of 5.7 or so.
All the time I spent training ew and caldari cruiser to 5 for a Falcon is now wasted. If I'd known how bad ecm was gonna get nerfed...I would never have trained Caldari cruiser in the first place.
Give ecm ships a boost so that they are closer to being as effective as they were before the nerf.
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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.03 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: HIdden Canary on 03/12/2006 01:59:53
Edited by: HIdden Canary on 03/12/2006 01:59:14
I agree it needs a boost to its ECM so its jammers are as effective. with no tank and good jammers it would be balanced but with both no tank and weak it makes the jamming ships weak as good as dead
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Sounds strange to me, I keep getting jammed all the time and im very tired of it.
Well yes.
Total jam == broken. Partial jam 4tw.
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Feygor Gaunt
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Feygor Gaunt on 03/12/2006 02:11:55
i like the change
it is very good in moment
ecm destroy the fun in battles
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Commander Wingpop
Dark Twilight Solutions
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:17:00 -
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as Kole44 said alot of people have spet along time at Training such skills for ships like the falcon and rook where as at this point its a total waste of time i my self fly a rook and even that with Faction jammers and officer jammers it couldnt jam a scorp even once! and that is supposted to be the top JAmming ship ,, my advice to wannable jammer pilots out there is dont bother training for fancy ships like the falcon or rook .. buy a griffin it can't jam just like a falcon or a rook and takes less time ...
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:54:00 -
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The Scorp needs 20% per level to ECM strength then all will be right in the world.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:12:00 -
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At the min the scorp has exactly the same bonus as its elite cruiser counter part i think ccp didnt really think about the bonuses too well for example a falcon takes you 104 days to train to fly (give or take) with no skills and that doesnt count the jamming skills and it takes you 2 days to fly the black bird and they have the same strenght bonus WTFs that about?
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