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Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:57:33 -
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Come on CCP, you shouldn't do april fools when it's not the first of april.
This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
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Josef Kennet
Zima Corp Infinity Space.
18
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:58:33 -
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Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? Train over 9000 accounts for a month and sell SP to your main |
Fool Nalelmir
LEX University Limited Expectations
6
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:58:37 -
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Eve has been rebalanced.... Players have been nerfed. |
Skilo
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
21
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:58:44 -
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Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN?
You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia
You need to fly Machariels
You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those
You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope
Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel
Pay To Win |
Skinzee
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:59:30 -
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Captain Africa wrote:To all you Yay Sayers ...coming from a bitter vet the answer is NO. You want to know why it is NO. Because we said so. The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..and you know what if we say NO its means Fucken..NO
Do you idiots really for one minute think after this thread that CCP would implement this hmmm ?
I will pull all 5 active acounts with out blinking an eye if this crap hits TQ..now **** off and go and earn your way into Eve.
LOL!
BYEE!
CAN I HAVE YOU STUFFZ PLX?
Captain Africa wrote: The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..
HAHAHAHAHAHA |
Oxide Ammar
228
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:59:46 -
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Thx CCP for this great idea...looking forward to you use it.
rest of you HAHAHAHAHA....
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2039
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:59:49 -
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Mai Ling Ravencroft wrote:Skinzee wrote:RL MONEY => PLEX => CHARACTER BAZAAR => 100M SP CHARACTER
RL MONEY => AUR => SKILLPOINT BOOST => 100M SP CHARACTER
Difference?
CHARACTERS BIRTH DATE NO BAD CHARACTER HISTORY FOR SKILLPOINT BOOSTED CHARACTER.
Disagree? Why? The difference is that most new players have no clue the Bazaar exists, which means they have to play for a while, learn the basics and either find a group or stumble on it over time. Which means that they have a bit more skill than a first day pilot, with a fat wallet and no clue. Or, to put it another way, it's an arbitrary barrier to entry for newer players.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Skinzee
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:00:53 -
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Skilo wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia You need to fly Machariels You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel Pay To Win
But as you said... I can go buy a character which can already fly a Machariel on Character Bazaar. |
atif09
THE THIRTEEN SAMURAI The Old Guard.
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:01:16 -
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Just saw the new dev blog
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-trading/
Unless I'm mistaken this will allow players to drain unwanted characters of their sp and simply gorge their mains with all the sp until they get a supreme maxed character?
There was once a game called runescape whose developers let you buy sp for in game currency and rl cash want to know where that game is now? it's dead.
On the same topic what is with the abysmal returns on sp investment?
Lets say I have an unwanted alt with 50mil sp which I drain in to a packet and give to my main which has 100 mil sp does that mean I will get a return of 50k sp per 1 mil sp?
that would mean I would get 2.5 million sp for 80 million sp.....that is just awful
Please reconsider inputting this update into the game. but if you absolutely have to please make the sp trade more fair
how about making it a linear trade system where the more sp you use on a character the less the returns?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40512
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:01:23 -
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This protects the prestige associated with a long commitment to a character?
What a joke. It does the opposite.
Single worst change in the game ever.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Skilo
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
21
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:02:54 -
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Skinzee wrote:Skilo wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia You need to fly Machariels You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel Pay To Win But as you said... I can go buy a character which can already fly a Machariel on Character Bazaar.
But that char can fly machariel thanks to the TIME someone took to do it
Not because of the money they spent
HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!! |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:03:23 -
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Dunno whether to laugh or cry. Happily I'll be able to decide while playing with my new army of alts. So many monocles to save for.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Skinzee
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:03:38 -
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Josef Kennet wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? Train over 9000 accounts for a month and sell SP to your main
Trial accounts cant use this service... Which would mean you would have to sub the account. Which means you would have 9000x -ú10 to pay... and even then they cant sell the SP because they have to have over 5m SP... which is say... 4months...
so....
9000x4x-ú10 = -ú360,000 + The Skill Transfer fee...
Sounds like a great deal right? ^^ |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2039
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:03:40 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Querns wrote:Tiranius Avetus wrote:So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money. ******** idea... Do they not have the Character Bazaar where you live? This argument is also disingenuous, There is a fixed number of character slots per account, and managing an increasing number of accounts becomes increasingly annoying/problematic. Practically speaking, If I want to fly Sleipnirs TODAY on my main, buying an extra character wouldn't be my solution. But with this system? Let's run some incursions for that dank sp! You're the one who insists on it being your "main." Main characters are practically meaningless in a world where the Character Bazaar exists.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
111
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:03:41 -
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I plan to drink the delicious brain goo of poors. |
Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON. RAZOR Alliance
151
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:03:49 -
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Skinzee wrote:Skilo wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia You need to fly Machariels You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel Pay To Win But as you said... I can go buy a character which can already fly a Machariel on Character Bazaar.
But than you still have the risk, which with this char comes with... you still get the SP you don't want with it.
EVE is an unforgiving game, hard and unfair. Every mistake you make in skilling or every other will have an impact. and most last forever.
Can I haz you're stuff?
[i][b]A good worker is a live worker. Free to live - and work! A bad worker is a dead worker; and vice versa. Don't be a bad worker; bad workers are slaves, and dead. Payday for good workers has been postponed indefinitely. Pa
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Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen Grumpy Space Bastards
243
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:04:53 -
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Lucian Solomon wrote:Querns wrote:Lucian Solomon wrote:With this many tears you're on to something big CCP. Keep up the good work. It's the future, plug me in, load em up
I'm going to learn jiu jitsu.
+1 That it took 15 pages for someone to (basically) make this reference to The Matrix astounds me. I would have made it myself, but I had more substantive things to say. (Not to discount the value of a good reference.) Load up the grid gentlemen. This is going to be AMAZING for pvp ;)
I love it.
Pirate NPCs should sell fully-trained-to-5 skill injections. Every time you do an injection, they're like boosters. You get a 20% penalty to something significant (tracking, rate of fire, etc.) for a month, or something similar.
About 1B isk (value of a plex) for a month's training, so make skills about 500M per 1x multiple (roughly double).
Talk about an isk sink, people would lap it up.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2039
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:04:58 -
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Skilo wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia You need to fly Machariels You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel Pay To Win You're placing a very strange emphasis on the skills being on any particular character. Why?
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Eternal Bob
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:05:01 -
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Skilo wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia You need to fly Machariels You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel Pay To Win
What are you winning in that scenario? |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2039
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:05:56 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:This protects the prestige associated with a long commitment to a character?
What a joke. It does the opposite.
Single worst change in the game ever. Fortunately, there is no such prestige. Everyone masturbates; it doesn't make it meaningful to others.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
8
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:07:10 -
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As a bitter vet, owner of ~244mil sp on main char and probably ~1bil on all chars i think this is great idea. CCP please read carefully to understand why:
1. For 12 years I have been playing this game, did plenty of mistakes with missed training, getting podded without clone and losing BS 5, training without implants. Even had some inactivity periods. But for all those 12 years I have been looking at Dr Caymus being the guy with the most sp in the game. Wishing to take his place...
He had trained every day for 12 years, to his optimized attributes, with implants, without doing any (at least visible) mistakes to be on the top for all these years. Now with this new option I will simply use my inactive accounts (you can check their sp) and spend cash to take him over. I mean F*CK his 12 years of efforts I will give you money!!! (And that`s what this is about right?)
2. People will focus even more in ISK grinding, in order to buy chars, get the sp. I mean you can never have enough sp, right? You can hope it will not happen, but I assure it will. That means that less people will PVP and we (bitter vets) will enjoy pvp like in good old games with much smaller numbers. Get rid of the blobs \o/
3. As people focus on grinding, game will become more boring to them and during the time they will simply quit. Not everyone has persistence to train and pay for 12 years eh? So the player base will shrink and there will be less lag.
4. As more and more people "pay to win" and speed up with getting wanted sp to be able to fly the ships they dream about, they will sooner make their dreams come true and get bored. Easier the game is - faster it gets boring. More players quitting - hurrah!
5. People who like fair chances in games will quit as well. But who cares, **** on the poor people, just grinding isk is not enough. If they cannot spend the money in your game you do not need them anyway. Why should EVE be different from other p2w games. Why should it be niche game better be classic mediocre game but get the masses and the money eh?
6. As more and more people are quitting, some of my bitter vet friends will do as well. I am sure decent amount will quit due to this change as well, no one likes to see their efforts and money treated like sh*t.As in past, most of them will give me their assets and characters and by taking their sp i can be sure to remain top 1. And that is lot of isk and sp to get!
7. In the end when everyone quits out of boredom, I will be the real winner.Thank you CCP, sorry for your game that will die btw. Until then, my credit card is ready for this brilliant idea.
Now off with sarcasm. For those commenting that bazaar is already p2w: it does improve your "winning" a bit, by speeding some things up, but you can never take over people who invested years of efforts and subscription to be where they are. And that should be honored by CCP if they do not want to lose their face in greed for some more money. Because if you do not honor your vets today, players who are new now will know you will not honor them in couple of years either. And no one sticks long in such "relationships". Maybe some pathological cases, but they are not so common :)
And yes, as you probably already know there are people who will spend thousands of bucks on this game in order to accomplish what they want. So you will make some money, though it will be short term only. In the long run you are continuing to kill this pearl among the games...
I am not sure who came up with such "brilliant" idea without taking side effects in the consideration. I agree there should be ways to help new players. But not by killing the one of the essences of the game. Get advisers not just from GSM, most of them is there just because they have large alliances behind them, it is more of e-peen measuring (or at least it was in past, while I still hoped they would come up with some good ideas).
People who already have more than 20/30/50? mil sp will probably stick to the game anyway, they have already invested time and learned a lot about the game. You need to help just the focus group. I am sure you can run data analysis and check when the most of people quits and make separate strategies to try to keep them. I think the most quits with less than 10mil sp, but do your work and find it out yourself.
What made this game was its toughness, nowadays 1 month char can make isk easier than 10-20mil sp ones could do in past. They get skills boost, they do not have to train learning skills, etc. It is already MUCH easier. And you keep failing to keep them with all those new ideas? Then you need to find some other approach to get/keep them into the game, get new people involved.
Decade ago, EVE was elitist game, we laughed to other grinding MMORPGs. Now, EVE is slowly turning in one of them. Everyone wanted to PVP back then, even though it was much tougher to make isk for lost ships. Nowadays the most of the players are "scared" to do so as someone might see their losses and make fun of them. Or simply because they do not want their "losing" to be public, if there is no API they can always deny it :) They will rather wait for certain win scenarios so they can boost their kb stats. Which are rarely related to their skills... And meanwhile just grind isk for bigger ships, not realizing that "you are not your ship" rule :). Same will be with sp, they will rush to get more and more, without knowing that sp do not equal skills.
EVE has changed a lot over time, from taking pride in being different game among plenty of MMORPGs, harder and tougher, being unique, joy of our community compared to games dominated by 13 years old players etc. For some time it is taking direction to even with them and this seems like one of the final nails in the coffin. I am sorry for that :(
TL; DR
NO
Get better advisers.
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1747
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:07:24 -
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Skinzee wrote:... Trial accounts cant use this service... Which would mean you would have to sub the account. Which means you would have 9000x -ú10 to pay... and even then they cant sell the SP because they have to have over 5m SP... which is say... 4months...
so....
9000x4x-ú10 = -ú360,000 + The Skill Transfer fee...
Sounds like a great deal right? ^^
Or rich players can just gift game time to the characters in question. Sat in stations with +5's to farm SP. This will favour rich players far more. |
4chan SlashPOL
Implying Jita Prices Vaguely Opsec.
8
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:07:26 -
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I for one don't like this. At the same time I am going to wait for more information to come out in order to make a better opinion |
Skilo
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
21
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:07:28 -
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Eternal Bob wrote:Skilo wrote:Skinzee wrote:Vrarrg wrote:No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN? You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia You need to fly Machariels You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel Pay To Win What are you winning in that scenario?
You get to keep the char you want with the name you picked and the skillpoints you decided to train and not someone elses ideias/trainings/skillpoints |
Ssal
Temple of Boom
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:07:40 -
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I don't like that change. The SP I gathered over time would become kind of meaningless, I could have just bought the very same SP. Sure I can do this today via Character Bazaar but that's something different. Being able to skill up any Char devalues SP-training over time. |
Eternal Bob
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:10:35 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:I mean F*CK his 12 years of efforts
Explain what effort is required to gain skillpoints. |
Reiisha
Repracor Industries
771
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:10:42 -
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Stupidly bad idea. This is going to get abused like no tomorrow.
Expect maxed 600m sp characters within days of the release of this feature.
At least make it so that 80 or 100m+ sp character don't gain any sp whatsoever via this feature.... I can understand the need to get up to 40-60m quickly, but above that.... I'll be honest, i like my vet status! :P
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Elfaen Ethenwe
The Executives Executive Outcomes
42
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:10:50 -
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You first kill sov war alienating a huge amount of your playerbase, in particular high sp characters. Then you make owning capitals utterly pointless with fozziesov. Then you basically allow anyone to buy skillpoints to be super elite I assume so that you still have some high sp characters?
This is pay to win. Its exactly what i protested against in Burn Jita back when the playerbase cared and will most likley be the fional nail in a long constructed coffin for eve. Not only that, if done via aurum it will sque the cost of plex over 2bil per plex over night, bankrupting all the plaqyers who still play by isk for plex. A fellow corpie of mine is currently paying 19bil per month in plex. If i plexed my accounts it would cost me easilly 14bil per month. I dont play this game to farm so ultimately i will cancel a large number of my accounts, lowering the number of accounts in game over-all as others do the same.
In fact, with the ability to dock my titan and nyx i could sell both of those accounts, or turn them into skillpoints for my 3 main PVP accounts and just have 3 charcters, cutting my plex bill to 6bil (assuming sp inflation) per month, and be no worse off in eve. But CCp will loose 7 accounts per month. Utterly stupid. |
Ami Hantaka
Bendebeukers Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:11:01 -
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I think there was also a discussion a long time ago to allow bonus attribute remapping for PLEX/Aurum, but it never happened. Could that also be reconsidered at this point? (As the charisma skills are still a ***** to train.) |
Eddie Mayer
DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:11:05 -
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are you havin a laff !! Oh dear.... oh dear... |
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