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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
102
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Posted - 2016.02.11 02:33:01 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:But for the record, I'm both bitter and vet. This is not my first toon.
I discovered EVE Online in 2008 after enduring 6 hurricanes in 6 years (Isadore/Lili 2002, Katrina/Rita 2005, and Gustav/Ike 2008) and losing everything I owned 3 times in that short span. After the last flood, I was ready to give up. There was a pervasive sense that nothing mattered anymore and it was pointless to try.
But then I found EVE and it sort of became my escape from the chaos of real life. I've always been drawn to escapist Sci-Fi but this was unlike any game I had ever played. The backstory was rich, the challenges real and everything I earned seemed to come from actual effort. So I started playing EVE on a friend's account at night while I rebuilt my home during the day. To some extent, EVE saved me.
So maybe I can't reconcile the challenges I had to get where I am in game with this new cash for progress model. All the time and effort it took... just feels meaningless now. I was proud of my accomplishments. They meant something. The struggle now is to get more isk so you can buy your way up the chain. Maybe I'll be on board with this eventually but man, it still stings for now. My apologies.
As you have survived those hurricanes I believe that you'll work through this bad patch in Eve as well.
No one can take away your accomplishments.
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4672
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Posted - 2016.02.11 14:57:39 -
[6542] - Quote
pajedas wrote:Yonis Kador wrote:But for the record, I'm both bitter and vet. This is not my first toon.
I discovered EVE Online in 2008 after enduring 6 hurricanes in 6 years (Isadore/Lili 2002, Katrina/Rita 2005, and Gustav/Ike 2008) and losing everything I owned 3 times in that short span. After the last flood, I was ready to give up. There was a pervasive sense that nothing mattered anymore and it was pointless to try.
But then I found EVE and it sort of became my escape from the chaos of real life. I've always been drawn to escapist Sci-Fi but this was unlike any game I had ever played. The backstory was rich, the challenges real and everything I earned seemed to come from actual effort. So I started playing EVE on a friend's account at night while I rebuilt my home during the day. To some extent, EVE saved me.
So maybe I can't reconcile the challenges I had to get where I am in game with this new cash for progress model. All the time and effort it took... just feels meaningless now. I was proud of my accomplishments. They meant something. The struggle now is to get more isk so you can buy your way up the chain. Maybe I'll be on board with this eventually but man, it still stings for now. My apologies. As you have survived those hurricanes I believe that you'll work through this bad patch in Eve as well. No one can take away your accomplishments.
Apparently the only way I'm finding to cope with this change is to no longer care about SP. I am who I am, have been playing this game since 2008. I don't care what others may fly with assistance of their credit card. I can get over being a fool and feel worried each time my queue emptied accidentally. I can get over missing the SP my main misses over being unsubbed for months and using +4 implants.
Nothing CCP can do can change my EVE, even if they kill the game. And anyway CCP will burn in hell over Incarna, so this change makes no difference... v-¦v
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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NVision08
The Senate and People of Eve
3
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Posted - 2016.02.11 18:02:37 -
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6 years...now??? I will extract all my SP & sell it-perhaps buy some merchandise..for a vet player this is the time to leave. Thank the sky you just gave me the reason to enjoy reallife now - - - U SUK but I'm happy to break the chains now=ƒÿè. |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
598
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Posted - 2016.02.11 19:24:59 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Apparently the only way I'm finding to cope with this change is to no longer care about SP. I am who I am, have been playing this game since 2008.
Albeit slowly.... I'm getting there. I got drunk, laid & took a 3 hr bath. Whaddayouknow? I'm feeling better.
I don't really care about my SP amount. Or, I didn't care before. It's more about the challenges both in-game and out that one has to overcome to achieve every small goal while you accumulate SP that's going to be missing. Those small victories are what drove my retention and now I'll need to find a new hook... quickly.
My biggest problem is that there isn't another game I want to play. I love EVE. Even if we're now playing EVE's slightly less-attractive, overweight cousin Bernice.
BERNICE ONLINE: You know you'd hit it.
BERNICE ONLINE: Drink until she's pretty enough to take home.
Maybe some new tagline options there for CCP. HTFU is out.
The bottom line is that I will be heartbroken this was allowed to occur for a while. It fundamentally is not EVE... but if BERNICE is going to have PTP (I have to call it 'pay to progress' or else the semantics warriors will attack) I only have 2 choices: quit or learn to love PTP.
I don't really wanna quit. I unsubbed on principle. There's nothing else you can do. Realistically, there's a lot going on in-game I DO like. I'm excited about citadels (though I think they should have some sort of automated defenses - what year is this) as I suggested player-built hub cities years ago. I like the new camera options. (I think you should be able to look left & right while flying in first person though) as I suggested that years ago too. SP trading sucks but there's a lot happening that's good and on many fronts I DO like the direction the game is heading.
If I stay, I'm not going to ride in the slow lane while everyone else passes me by either. So I'll have to learn to love ridin' dirty.
It's just such ********. I shouldn't even be in this position.
Hell, I might become one of the best NEX customers CCP has. In fact, my first new suggestion RE: BERNICE ONLINE will be if you buy x skins (100? some ridiculously high number) you should get an account-bound ship skin that looks like a spinning ball of light. **** yeah! Look at me! I bought so many skins I don't even fly a ship anymore. I fly a ******* ball of light! Thanks BERNICE!
"The only way to achieve the impossible is to believe it is possible." -- Alice in Wonderland
I'm goin fix myself a stiff drink. I'ma need it.
Hey BERNICE, wanna get out of here? I have money....
YK
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
105
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:08:40 -
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You had me at: Quote:I got drunk, laid & took a 3 hr bath. Looks like you already accomplished:
Quote:So I'll have to learn to love ridin' dirty.
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1869
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:54:59 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: And anyway CCP will burn in hell over Incarna, so this change makes no difference... v-¦v
This sounds like the opinion of a mature, emotionally stable individual with sound, nuanced opinions worthy of consideration.
Not psychotic at all, no sir.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Jenna Alberta
Tag Tax Collection Office Nihilists Social Club
0
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Posted - 2016.02.12 12:20:29 -
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PAY TO WIN LOLOLOLOL
Expect to see Day 1 old Toon with max HIC skill or something... funny to see but not amusing... **** this decision more milking money from ccp |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4688
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Posted - 2016.02.12 12:40:15 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: And anyway CCP will burn in hell over Incarna, so this change makes no difference... v-¦v
This sounds like the opinion of a mature, emotionally stable individual with sound, nuanced opinions worthy of consideration. Not psychotic at all, no sir.
Do you believe that there is a hell and CCP will burn in it?
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
427
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Posted - 2016.02.12 14:02:29 -
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Yaosus wrote:B0RG 0VERLORD wrote:
Dear Jesus give then another reason to extort monies out of your pocket why dont you
You do not have to buy the injectors. Try to start playing Eve now and compare your toon to someone else's toon from 2004. Capsuleers used link their sp amount, and time trained from the character sheet and feel proud, not so more now imo
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games pay More to win at skill training time, now with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
140
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Posted - 2016.02.12 15:00:05 -
[6550] - Quote
Please Add the Option to Remove Empty Skill Books
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4704
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:03:14 -
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pajedas wrote:Please Add the Option to Remove Empty Skill Books
And then if you want to train it again, you need to buy the book again?
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
141
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:33:35 -
[6552] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And then if you want to train it again, you need to buy the book again? It would be an option, you can leave it if you like :-)
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2523
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Posted - 2016.02.14 15:51:53 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Apparently the only way I'm finding to cope with this change is to no longer care about SP. I am who I am, have been playing this game since 2008.
Albeit slowly.... I'm getting there. I got drunk, laid & took a 3 hr bath. Whaddayouknow? I'm feeling better. ... My plan is still:
- Vote for Xenuria
- Stop paying CCP
- Burn through my ISK
- ??? probably quit for an indefinite time.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3398
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:34:32 -
[6554] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yonis Kador wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Apparently the only way I'm finding to cope with this change is to no longer care about SP. I am who I am, have been playing this game since 2008.
Albeit slowly.... I'm getting there. I got drunk, laid & took a 3 hr bath. Whaddayouknow? I'm feeling better. ... My plan is still:
- Vote for Xenuria
- Stop paying CCP
- Burn through my ISK
- ??? probably quit for an indefinite time.
I i ran that plan I would manage to play for an extra 2 weeks
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Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯|(pâä)/¯
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Josef Djugashvilis
3275
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:06:10 -
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I cannot remember for the life of me who I voted for last time, apart from Mike and Steve Ronkuen (?)
But I would like to know where any of the CSM from last year who are standing again, stood on the cash for skills - err, thingy.
Thank you.
This is not a signature.
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Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2690
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:45:41 -
[6556] - Quote
I'd love to see some CCP Quant stats at the end of Feb showing how both ISK and SP distribution has shifted in response to skill trading.
I love the change - thanks CCP.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2690
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:50:47 -
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NVision08 wrote:6 years...now??? I will extract all my SP & sell it-perhaps buy some merchandise..for a vet player this is the time to leave. Thank the sky you just gave me the reason to enjoy reallife now - - - U SUK but I'm happy to break the chains now=ƒÿè. And a dozen younger players will be very happy to buy it from you.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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NVision08
The Senate and People of Eve
4
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Posted - 2016.02.16 00:25:52 -
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Zappity wrote:NVision08 wrote:6 years...now??? I will extract all my SP & sell it-perhaps buy some merchandise..for a vet player this is the time to leave. Thank the sky you just gave me the reason to enjoy reallife now - - - U SUK but I'm happy to break the chains now=ƒÿè. And a dozen younger players will be very happy to buy it from you.
Yes my comments appear apocalypto. As I take a step back I found another way. Instead of ditching my 160m sp char, I think buying the old vet ones being sold-stripping them-selling their sp-just makes mine... more valuable. I love/hate this game. |
Terraj Oknatis
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
30
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Posted - 2016.02.16 09:57:27 -
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And I bet CCP forgot about all that thousands of aurm that were just laying around when you gave it out like candy. Now we have an Iron bank character with 100% five level skills and people on twitch handing out loads of skill extractors as raffle rewards.
I am also starting to have those conversations with people about how about you just buy some injectors so you can fly x.
I now have to compete with those people who are willing to drop big amounts of cash in a game because all you have to do now is buy a bunch of plex to turn it into sp.
I could go on. You broke the game the damage is done and now the game is in a very unhealthy place.
You didn't listen to anybody, and as usual you just did whatever the hell YOU wanted to do. I hope you enjoy your quick cash.
I guess we will just have to wait and see how this goes.
Im very disapointed in you CCP. |
NVision08
The Senate and People of Eve
4
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Posted - 2016.02.16 13:51:48 -
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Character with MAX SKILLS less than 5 days old.
This hits a nerve. |
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Vabanaz Arjar
Damned Nebula Privateers
28
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:52:53 -
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This is Eve in 2016
who pulls the strings?
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2070
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:33:45 -
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This did make me laugh :D |
I WasThere
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2016.02.21 13:07:48 -
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"If u wanna join my corp...... 500.000 SP is be payed, I don't need any API ar any other crap " |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
699
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Posted - 2016.03.06 20:27:29 -
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Anabuki Tomoko wrote:can't w8 for this.its a much needed boost for new players =D
so this way, instead of w8ing for 2 WEEKS to get a mining barge, or cov ops ship, or t3 destroyer. i can pay a bit and get it now.
Instant gratification.. less investment.. equal more apt to leave the game and never return. Is a two week wait really game killing? I remember in other games grinding XP for longer than 2 weeks to make a gain in gear. Part of the joy of flying a new ship is knowing that you've put in the time to train those important skills.. and you know that others who fly your ship have too.. that will all go by the way side with this change .. and suddenly we'll see hundreds of new bro logi pilots for example who haven't a clue.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
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Ellen Sukarla
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.04.02 02:36:17 -
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It really sucks CCP has sold out with this, totally changes what Eve was to me. I have played since 2005 and the game no longer holds the same feeling. It feels cold, corporate, money mongering. Look at your ad for skill extractors, is this what Eve is now? A cash cow? Say what you want but Eve characters used to be something special and now they are just commodities to be stripped down sold. I know nobody cares but man CCP I loved you guys, sucks to see! Hours for plex burned just to post, I don't feel the need to support CCP like I used to. |
Ellen Sukarla
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.04.02 03:27:29 -
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Also just confirmation received as I thought that 200M + characters are liquidating their skillpoints for money, CCP workers who are VETS, look at yourself, look at your company, the f*** guys?! If high SP characters can be disposable what makes Eve special any more? its messed up, CCP wake up!!! |
Maker Atavuli
Core Intel
27
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Posted - 2016.05.06 05:28:16 -
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Please don't make eve pay to win PLEASE!
I am NOT crazy they made me take my medication this morning!
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Ormarr Kai
Doughboys
24
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Posted - 2016.05.11 17:48:17 -
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I see nothing wrong with this, I think it will help retain new players which eve desperately needs. It was already possible to pay to win with plexs and the character bazzar. All these salty vets need to warm up to change , eve will die without it.... |
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS Requiem Eternal
97
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Posted - 2016.05.17 10:15:12 -
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im kinda sad that it kinda killed the charater market.. |
Vailen Sere
420 Enterprises. Tactical Supremacy
18
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Posted - 2016.06.24 22:26:22 -
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Oh well. It was nice taking 5 hours a day off long skills without having to sit in an expensive clone.
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