So it's quit eve because they never get to play it due to not having the skill points, or they quit because they die.

At least one involves them actually playing it.

Yeah, they can just join EVE, buy themselves some SPs, go out, be blown up by those with the SP AND the actual skill in pvp,

Exactly what cascading effect means. While you have to face things you learn to deal with them. When you can just buy your way out, you simply found a way out. It is like alts. Blob become a vice and a weakness after a time you use them. You even forget things you learned as you have alts to do works.

Distancing you from a learning curve is a pathway the game takes towards what WoW players must have know quite a lot about.

Once you introduce rookies in places they dont have the experience to belong but the SP to be, you introduce a sheep in a wolf's den. If you go down that path, soon you are changing the game to make the sheep more powerful, and match the wolves. As it is not enough, you start nerfing the wolves to match the buffed sheep, reducing the overall player base to a minimum common denominator.

Soon after that you are creating cocoons to shield players of real danger, and soon after that you are making end game content to people with lots of SP/XP and no clue to what to do in actual gameplay, so instead you turn game mechanics into ignorable nuisances, and create LFR, or LFC (look for complex), with shaven off mechanics from the regular mode. After a while everything is just dumbed down until anyone who started to play yesterday just go around oneshooting everything.

The PSR of this is clearly around the corner. Once you start shortcutting learning curve, you are rendering learning curve useless. From that, there is no way back, because once you have enough people without having passed by the fire, you will never put the firewall back in their path.

I do not like anything about this idea... i think it's absolutely ridiculous.

The unique selling point of eve is that you have to wait, and choose you path carefully, not buy sp and jump straight in.

This is an awful idea, please don't go ahead with it

The ironic thing here is that the skill packets those new players would buy are not for sale via real money or aur. If you actually want SP, the place you go is the market to exchange isk. And best of all, this provides yet another incentive corps can offer to new players.

Yes, I know the Character Bazaar is a way for players with high time preferences to bypass the long training times. While this is a version of "pay to win", it was tempered by tendency for the characters up for sale to have a terrible reputation, imbecilic names, or some other terrible flaw.

No.

Part of the appeal of the game is that you have to live with the decisions you make.

Oh please, don't be so naive. New players will be a massive well of demand for the Packets, in order for older players to fill the demand they will have to buy the Extractors via Aurum.

It's a very roundabout way of doing it, but ultimately it comes down to CCP exploiting that initial demand for their own profit. It's not a demand they should be fulfilling, because of course every new player wants the shiny ships, the best skills. Every new player in every game wants the best, most powerful stuff. You don't actually give it to them. Goodness me.

That's not to say they shouldn't be trimming the fat in regards to boring (but often necessary) skills that have little interesting gameplay pay offs. There's so many long trains that have little at the end to show for it. Why aren't CCP focusing on making the skill progression more rewarding? Instead they are lining their pockets with the boredom of waiting, like every freemium iPhone game you ever heard of.

How soon you think that "Insta Capitals token" (like insta 80 in wow) will come to New Eden Store after Skill token has touched down ?

No.

Part of the appeal of the game is that you have to live with the decisions you make. Another part is the sense of accomplishment for attaining a long term goal. This proposal would scuttle these long running and defining aspects of the game.

Yes, I know the Character Bazaar is a way for players with high time preferences to bypass the long training times. While this is a version of "pay to win", it was tempered by tendency for the characters up for sale to have a terrible reputation, imbecilic names, or some other terrible flaw.

This is undoubtedly the worst idea I've heard since I've started playing the game.

You question is the seed of your answer.

I never said new players wouldn't want the packets, they just can't get them for aur as they aren't being sold for aur. That the demand may push vets to spend aur is a non issue as it's at best exploiting the customers who know what they are getting into and capable of making informed decisions.

At that point if the vets are being exploited it's their own fault.

As far as not giving things to people, it's not, it's putting a resource harvested by players out there to supply everyone's demand for it, like anything else on the market.

Except the way you "harvest" this resource is

1: Giving CCP your money for the account.
2: Waiting.
3: Giving CCP more of your money.

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Then my answer is that the cap token will never come as the skill token is not coming.

I am also against this. I could go into details but . . . this feels wrong to me. Against what I thought the game to be.
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I don't like this. Could be worse, but I don't like it.

A lowish hard cap would make it not as bad. But it still leads to "I just subscribed, but unless I spend more real money, I'll always be behind"

Can't say I like it. Ive been against it since it was presented.

This is supposed to be a predecision discussion as I have understood it. Please make your opinions known.

I am just going to come out and say I do not support this. I have been against this internally and at the summit.

Maybe you as the community will say different but this isn't for me.

Question, how often have you protested the existence of PLEX?

Not coming yet.

But if you think this will be last step you're kinda naive.