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No you're missing the point I am curious to see how players will value the skillpoint part of the injector, as you say we know the extractor prices. The injector prices are thus floored at extractor prices, but on top of that comes the unknown added isk value for the skillpoints themselves. THAT is the interesting thing to watch for when this goes live.

Yeah we can already see from the character bazaar that people are willing to sell SPs below training cost. The upper limit depends a bit on supply and demand, but as you say, if the conditions are favorable, players will turn to SP farming.

You already will be able to do just that!

It's an interesting consequence of the new system, that apparently not many people have realized so far:

1. Get 1-month sub with your own money (cash or PLEX)
2. Gain SP, even though you do not want it for yourself
3. Sell all of that SP, get ISK
4. Use ISK to puy PLEX (you may or may not have to add some of your own ISK to get a full PLEX out of 1 month SP, depending on market prices; still it's highly probable that 1 month SP will allow you to fund at least 80-90% of a PLEX)
5. Play for free, or at least play 'at a discount'

SP Farming will lead down to RMT as going to get many farming it, going to ruin the way eve is played as a game push it more over to Pay to Win

I am curious to see how players will value the skillpoint part of the injector, as you say we know the extractor prices.

No. There is still the opportunity cost of not getting the better/new skills.

Just because something does not involved some sort of currency does not mean there is no cost.

i'm sorry, but when are you guys announcing the prices of the extractors? why this "secret"? in about 10 days we will have these things on live server and none know the price yet. wth is going on?

There are a lot of specialized alts who don't need a lot of SP. So why should I subscribe them if I can PLEX them with the ISK I get for the SP I dont need anyway? This will indeed result in free alts.

This comming from a group of players that denies its members to fly anything but frigates, and only enables them to fly cruisers after a couple months. I think you are just afraid this will ruin your type of keeping your members the way you want them kept.

So whatever Dev it was at the end of the 07 show was talking about how he was curious to see how much injectors would go for in game.
This is a deliberately misleading comment because CCP so obviously sets the price. These are not ship skins these are a high demand item therefor they will reach their plex/$$ equivalent.

If CCP sells them for $2.50 they will be 150mil on market, $5 they will be about 300mil, $10 they will be 600mil on market and if they sell for the same price as a plex they will be the same price as a plex in game.

Silly

Rofl at all the pay2win qq. This is not pay2win. Plex is more pay2win than this. Plex enables pilots to afford modules and ships they might not be able to afford otherwise and bypass virtually all aspects of the eve pve system if one chooses.

Mark my words, if extractors go for sub 500AUR, I shall dub the coming era as, The War of Aeons. Instead of capsuleer wars, you will have little spirits have hover over and possess their specialized pilot and war machine. Perfect Interceptor pilot today, tomorrow my perfect HIC for the cap fight, next week my near perfect Legion.

You will have not only Ship Replacement Programs but also Skill Replacement Programs to keep your T3's top notch the same day as the loss. Injectors are valuable now as a war commodity. Surprise.

we know the extractor prices

When are you going to tell us then?

They want you to hand over your wallet before they tell you

This is a non-issue, I have perfect pilots for most of those use cases NOW while still having even more perfect use cases and NO extractor cost to realize them. What you're basically saying is that players being able to have perfect skills for a given ship is broken, but that makes training itself broken over time. And ignores that brokenness is already realized.

You're also contradicting your prior point regarding low extractor prices causing manipulation that results in general unaffordability. How can we have enough of these perfect skilled pilots floating around when per your claim SP won't be available to keep those SP swaps from shriveling the total SP those characters have and lack the ability to purchase more?

Also to your prior post no, PLEX is not just game time anymore. It's also an AUR souce, meaning it's price reflects demand from every possible use including extractor purchase, meaning that the higher the extractor cost, the more strain there is on PLEX. If PLEXing for a "free" account by selling SP becomes a norm through being economically viable rest assured high extractor prices WILL NOT BE A DETERING FACTOR beyond how much you have to invest before the first extractor purchase. After that every sale pays you back that cost to spend again on the next one on top of gains for PLEXing game time.

[You seem to apply all deductions to yourself. It has nothing to do with you but everything to do with the new pilots or the alts that they can create on the 2nd or 3rd box of a single account, all while training up their main to do whatever it is they wish. The ping goes out, they sign off and back on to their un-paid alt with perfect skills in a ship that is ALWAYS going to be useful. This has changed the landscape of warfare by increasing the value and potential of every new pilot, thus making an already exceptional force even more powerful.

Like I said before, one thing applies to the short term, another thing entirely to the long term. Availability of the injectors will be just stupid. Whey even make an estimation? It is a given. If they are cheap, be ready for the floodgates to open. The lowest they will go for will determined by how valuable they are to the rich and not how many there will be...

...I give it one year until those who plex will not be able to afford the plex, and those that plex will reach a frustration point that they refuse to plex, leading to even higher costs and scarcity. At this point it is the 1% that will truly shine and perhaps be the only source for the SP farming, as their accounts will be paid far in advance that they will have little concern over state of affairs with PLEX economy. If I were they, I would reserve my brain drains and pick up the cheap extractors from every other nub that sells cheaply in the offset.

In conclusion. The fact that we are having a discussion about SP farming as a renewable income stream says more about how you just do not understand that this outcome is bad and that it is unavoidable with a low cost extractor.

It's their ratio in respects to PLEX. If the income is offset by a margin then the viability of SP farming is reduced because more comes out of pocket to sustain the farming. I don't know who it was that thinks there will be many directly paid accounts that are SP farming focused.

Worst case scenario is when plex begins to sell at a loss from when it was purchased. Also, if the extractors sell low, the injectors will be in high demand because of their price point. Now, I don't consider myself Eve rich, but even I will use them if they are 300m. Why not? That, sir, is the ultimate question. Price will dictate demand and any noob that is desperate and impatient will see they are worth the investment of money, even if it is at twice the cost of just waiting on the paid sub. It will still serve its role but not be so widely abused.

When are you going to tell us then?

It's gonna be 1000 AUR. That way you buy a PLEX, convert it to 3500 AUR, buy 3 extractors, and have 500 AUR left over. Then you think to yourself "well, I have these 500 AUR left over, if I just buy another PLEX I'll have 4000 AUR and can buy 4 more, so I get one 'extra'". Milking 101.

When are you going to tell us then?

At 1,000 AUR, your best choice would be to spend 20 Gé¼/$ in a 3,600 AUR package. With the premium of 435 AUR that would be 4,035 AUR / 4 extractors +35 AUR for the price of a PLEX, and would render the 900 AUR package completely uninteresting for skill trading.

Mark my words, if extractors go for sub 500AUR, I shall dub the coming era as, The War of Aeons. Instead of capsuleer wars, you will have little spirits have hover over and possess their specialized pilot and war machine. Perfect Interceptor pilot today, tomorrow my perfect HIC for the cap fight, next week my near perfect Legion.

You will have not only Ship Replacement Programs but also Skill Replacement Programs to keep your T3's top notch the same day as the loss. Injectors are valuable now as a war commodity. Surprise.