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smeggy
Minmatar
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
5th Column
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: smeggy on 09/02/2007 22:35:48
hellmar you as ceo must understand how investers see your company right now this is going around the mmpog community like wild fire. Like most companies and corperations in the world they stop their employies from being able to be participate in their products. This is done because of confilict of interest. Im sure the Amereican company white wolf are worried about your position in the game at the moment.
I suggest you do the right thing for the community and the game stop your employies from playing this game before you guys make yourselves look even worse in the mmpog community.
To lose a multi million pound company because your too stuborn to do the right thing is dumb as ceo engage brain before people cancel accounts and this ends up like planetside because your employies ruin the game more.
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End Solution
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:36:00 -
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Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Gaia Thorn
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:36:00 -
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First thanks for having the courage to admit this to bad it's being forced by your own community.
I have several questions really.
1. Why ban kugutsumen ? it was never proven that he "hacked" rkk forums.
And if it was proven that he hacked he should be banned BUT then everything he posted should be treated as factional evidence .
2. Why isnt Sirmolle banned ? He knew that several people in his alliance were DEV's used it to his advantage and posted personal information about a person on the forums.
3. Is T20 fired from CCP ? if not Why ?
4. How do we know that the DEV's accounts is banned and not just renamed ?
5. What is going to be changed to prevent this from happening again in the future ?
For me this is the day eve community died im never gonna have the same respect for dev,gm's.
CCP just went from a friendly corp doing something diffrent to just another money grabbing vulture.
Mentally Unstable Enterprises Forum
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Citizen X
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:36:00 -
[394]
Edited by: Citizen X on 09/02/2007 22:34:02
The dev needs to be fired ASAP. If did such a thing to my database, I would be in jail. No there is no little fraud or or big fraud. Its either fraud or it isnt. This was. End of story.
CCP need to think about the trust in the game. Something that can slip away fast....
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PDoggy
Minmatar
Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:37:00 -
[395]
 Originally by: Blue Rayes
This is a loose loose situation.....
No matter if this is the whole truth or not the gap between BOB with friends and the hate/dislike BOB is bigger than ever.
BOB and friends will go on saying tinfoil hat and we never do anything outside the rules of the game and so on.....
BOB enemies will go on with saying that the truth never got out , that there's more to the this than was unfold....
Makes me wonder what CCP acctully can do to satisfy the whole community...
Full internal audit by an independent tribunal of EVE players around Iceland, representing a variety of 0.0 Alliances and empire corps too. Full access to logs of all dev activity. Just like in that episode of Battlestar Galactica, except without the dramatic dissolve. That'd make most people happy, I should think, except the doubtless dozens of other devs who would end up getting caught because of it.
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Sephiraa
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:38:00 -
[396]
Edited by: Sephiraa on 09/02/2007 22:35:06
Originally by: Popsikle
Its not like its RKK's fault for t20 cheating. Why would RKK be punished because someone else cheated, its not like RKK made t20 cheat. Even if the leaders of RKK knew about it, morality is not the same as legality.
Nor is it like T20 made the Directors of RKK share accounts, but if the T20 info is true, it strongly suggests that information is equally true. Why is the BoB alliance allowed to share accounts while others are banned.
The EULA states:
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You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
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You may not share your account password with anyone. Infraction of this rule is done at your own risk. Further information on account transfers can be found in the EULA.
BoB: EVOL and RKK, require 'communist' pilots to give their account info to the Directors with the understanding that those accounts will be shared, and many of us can quote the relevant part, if 3rd party quotes were allowed on this forum. That account sharing practice is against the EULA and should be punished in the same manner that all account sharing for other players has been punished. With Bans. That, or all players who have been banned for account sharing should have their characters reinstated. It's not fair if BoB gets to play by different rules than the rest of us.
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Cyrus Ildemar
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: OMG
Here's a nice link for all those wanting t20's head:
Double Jeopardy
I don't think Double Jeopardy applies when the first "trial" is all your friends and colleagues secretly telling you "hey man, we know you did bad, but we're not going to do anything about it, OK?"
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:38:00 -
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I`m fine with devs spawning bpo for themselves. If those devs are in corps, that don`t play significant roles in 0.0 policy.
But i`m unable to understand following things :
- Why do you need to cheat if you are already in good corp with access to profitable 0.0 space ?
- 6 months of owning sabre bpo. Sabres currently selling for 30m isk, and you are able to build 2.5 sabres \ day. Its around 13.5b, or minerals for mothership. What are you going to do with those money ? Please, keep in mind, that you are made already strong corp more stronger.
- Why community needed to raise this question multiple times, with involving many major fractions (goons for example) to receive answers from you, CCP ?
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Raindrop
LittleHauling
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:38:00 -
[399]
Edited by: Raindrop on 09/02/2007 22:35:03
CCP should deal with the aparent account sharing that has been going on in this case. And follow their own rules. Or be the laughing stock of um well everyone. Oh and turn eve too into a laughing stock.
You have rules and you apply them strictly or you might aswell have no rules at all. Except for show value. (Look mom with rules!)
Same goes with T20 nail each and every nail as hard as you did with the others. Or stop hammering them period.
Raindrop
It only takes a raindrop to cool the market.
100% Carebear and loving it.
Trader.
Hauler.
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Valekrin Ziemisra
12-Gauge
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:38:00 -
[400]
The thing is:
t20 gets banned/removed/deleted whatever, with access to BoB's resources and being a member in high standing, they can buy a pretty nice toon off eve-o for maybe what, 3bil?
Free Kevin Mitnick! oh wait :P
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:39:00 -
[401]
Warning Conspiracy Theory below:
Anyone have the feeling that EVE-Online itself could potentially be one of the biggest SCAMS known to man?
CCP creates a game. A game they intend to play. A game they intend to influence. We know the devs were gankers in UO, we know their sick people when it comes to games. What might stop them from pushing this game to the point where they never lose? We are paying them for a service (EVE). Are we also paying them in-game to be their pawns? Is CCP playing us?
I guess we'll never know.
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Zyta Eke
Bombshell Cartel
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:39:00 -
[402]
Originally by: smeggy
do the right thing for the community and the game stop your employies from playing this game before you guys make yourselves look even worse in the mmpog.
You want a game developed by people who don't even play it? Really? Are you sure? You know it'll suck, right?
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Philo Farnsworth
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:39:00 -
[403]
How about an investigation into the systematic abuse of the Eve client by Goonswarm? That was well-documented, screenshots and all.
The hypocrisy of the Goonies in calling for blood here, after flagrantly cheating for months and months is laughable, if it weren't someone's RL job they were after.
If t20 goes, so should every single member of Goonswarm.
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Naadam
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:40:00 -
[404]
This situation with a single Dev speaking up and claiming to have acted on his own is CCP attempting damage control on a massive scale.
CCP is corrupt through its core and needs to implement massive changes to fix their mistakes.
One of those changes is the banning of everyone who took advantage of having a Dev in their alliance.
Another change is that CCP needs to remove all current player accounts completely. They need to completely wipe out all their characters. They can start over. However, they need to never be allowed in alliances. There is no reason for them to be in an alliance.
My accounts are gone until I see something change.
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Suliban Silk
Minmatar
Band of Devs
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:40:00 -
[405]
I fear this goes far deeper than we will ever know.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:40:00 -
[406]
Originally by: dokkillo
T20 destroyed all eve community... thats the true.. what happen the next time of bob earns a powerfull bpo?
or the next battle?
or something....
no more trust... :(
Isn't ALL a big word to use? I mean there are plenty of people who aren't destroyed by this.
Besides all the people who are complaining and whining and *****ing could cancel thier accounts, wouldn't that solve your "distrust" or "hatred" for CCP?
It would sure make a lot better conversations around these forums, like they used to be back around release ;(
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:40:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Doctor Zemmen
3) How many more of these occurances go undiscovered? When the GM gave himself a faction BS, fully faction fitted, CCP ensured us that something like that could never happen as all employee player accounts are audited on a regular basis. It was stated that even without the player complaint the GM would have been caught when the audit guys looked over the logs. Once again we find ourselves in a similar situation, and it took a player to bring it to CCP's attention. This guy didn't just give himself these BPO's, they must have been there for a long time. When was the audit actually going to catch him? I find very little faith in either the system of audit that CCP uses or in the people responsible.
It sounds like he was caught, LAST SUMMER. However, CCP decided to do absolutely nothing about it and it took the community finding out before something was actually done. This gives us absolutely no reason why CCP should ever be trusted in matters such as this since their track record shows a complete willingness to ABSOLUTELY ABANDON THEIR OWN RULES when it is found convenient for them.
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Marquis Dean
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:41:00 -
[408]
Good God, it's a game. Maybe he should lose his job, maybe he shouldn't. It sure as hell isn't up to you lot.
This is a worrying thread to read, I think maybe you all need to step away from your computers and get to know your friends and family again.
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Originally by: Crag Heyder
I'm not talking FPS here, it's SPF.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:41:00 -
[409]
Anyone saying t20 shouldn't lose his job needs to move out of their parents house and work in the real world for 5 minutes.
Not only MUST he lose his job, he can never work in the games industry again. He's broken the most basic trust his job entailed.
I work with, amongst other things, class A drugs. We use some chemicals in some of the research we do because they are nessecary to our work. ******* is the example that will be most familiar to most of you. If I EVER took some of that 100% pure, medical grade ******* for my own use, either to take or to sell, then my job would be forfeit, and rightly so. I'd also get prosecuted if caught. I would also never work as a scientist again. My ability to operate with trust would be gone forever. That's what t20 has done. Back to burger-flipping I'm afraid - harsh, yes, and I do feel deeply sorry for you t20, you must be in a world of **** now.
Now, onto the real problem.
BoB.
Profits from the BPOs. If these aren't reclaimed then EVE is dead. No trust, no faith, no fairness, no level playing field. Everything EVE stood for gone.
And yeah, I'll cancel my 3 accounts over this, as will a lot of people I'm sure. Nasty taste left in my mouth, for sure.
Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:41:00 -
[410]
Originally by: smeggy
Edited by: smeggy on 09/02/2007 22:35:48
hellmar you as ceo must understand how investers see your company right now this is going around the mmpog community like wild fire. Like most companies and corperations in the world they stop their employies from being able to be participate in their products. This is done because of confilict of interest. Im sure the Amereican company white wolf are worried about your position in the game at the moment.
I suggest you do the right thing for the community and the game stop your employies from playing this game before you guys make yourselves look even worse in the mmpog community.
To lose a multi million pound company because your too stuborn to do the right thing is dumb as ceo engage brain before people cancel accounts and this ends up like planetside because your employies ruin the game more.
Smeggy,
Most MMO games are played by the Devs/GMs/FOrum mods...
I actually cant think of one that isnt....
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Prophetic
Gallente
Homeworld Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:42:00 -
[411]
RE those proclaiming kuguts being a white knight in this matter. These allegations were brought to light after his attempts at blackmail failed.... He had every intention of keeping this info to himself had he gotten the payment he wished for.
Those of you thinking he did this because he cares about the integrity of this game are completely off base. He doesn't care. He blackmailed and it didn't work, so he set out to destroy his target another way.
Say what you wish about these blogs, etc... but don't delude yourself into thinking he is your savior. he is a criminal. Nothing more then a common criminal with a fetish for attention.
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:42:00 -
[412]
Originally by: Evil Thug
I`m fine with devs spawning bpo for themselves. If those devs are in corps, that don`t play significant roles in 0.0 policy.
But i`m unable to understand following things :
- Why do you need to cheat if you are already in good corp with access to profitable 0.0 space ?
- 6 months of owning sabre bpo. Sabres currently selling for 30m isk, and you are able to build 2.5 sabres \ day. Its around 13.5b, or minerals for mothership. What are you going to do with those money ? Please, keep in mind, that you are made already strong corp more stronger.
- Why community needed to raise this question multiple times, with involving many major fractions (goons for example) to receive answers from you, CCP ?
I think we should all give Mr. K a round of applause. Because CCP couldn't keep its house in order, he stuck his neck out to expose this corruption. Rather than congratulate him, they banned five of his accounts.
Is that how you repay a whistleblower?
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SNeAkYbRiT
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:42:00 -
[413]
Well??? upto p14 and not a word, this is not enough, you have opened this up now tell the truth what else did BoB get and why the hell should we trust what u say from now on? you've kept this hidden for so long.
Oh BoB leaders ya all cheating scum. thats if i didnt mention it before :)
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Skooney
Gallente
Universal Agencies
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:42:00 -
[414]
I just hope that all of you that are being so critical of T20 and CCP remember this when one of you, makes a bad decision in life.
It was a mistake, it has been corrected, lets move on and play the game.
T20 - As far as I am concerned, it takes a real man/woman to stand up and "take it on the chin" - Forgiven!
Let's play EVE!
Universal Agencies
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Sebo Darrens
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:42:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Popsikle
*snip* A friend of mine used to steal jewelry and sell the items on eBay. When he got caught they took all the jewelry he had away (bpo's) and all the cash he had made (his toons) away from him. They didn't take the money that he paid to his landlord, or didn't take the jewelry he had already sold to people, or didn't take the money back form people he purchased his xbox from using the money he made....
You see what im getting at?
He also probably went to jail (fired)
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Reevus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:43:00 -
[416]
CCP, you have to be joking.
This case of a single person taking the brunt of the fall is stereotypical corporate coverup and damage control.
FFS have some integrety. Ban everyone involved in this cheating. Stop trying to play this off as being a single person when it is multiple devs and multiple instances of cheating.
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Abiel Mordecai
Gallente
Wings of Redemption
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:43:00 -
[417]
t20 should be fired, that's company policy and no matter how much everyone loves him on a personal level, it's the right thing to do. We shouldn't make exceptions in any case. You break the rules, you get punished. That's the message CCP needs to send out to all it's staff and volunteers or people aren't gonna take the rules seriously, that's basic business management, heck, it's basic life skills. If you act weak, people will see you as weak and you will be weak, and people will continue to walk all over you and cheat and ruin the paying customers' game. I'm sorry, t20, but what you did is unacceptable, the community knows it, CCP knows it, and now (only because it's all been revealed) you know it too. You reap what you sow, and you are a cheat and a thief.
Also: what's all this about...
Originally by: Cyrus Ildemar
Beyond all the things that have been brought up, I'd like to bring up an issue that came up yesterday.
A GM was spotted in a Polaris Frigate in 28y, warping from moon to moon. This was a day before BoB declared that they would attack us. We have screenshots, and the GM's name.
Frankly, I don't mean to be paranoid or accuse anyone of improper conduct without proof, but perhaps given the circumstances, some tinfoil hattery is justified.
Was there a reason for that GM to be checking out our moons? Is this going to be a regular feature of this war?
Like a lot of people I'm getting really really sick of hearing this kind of thing and I'm even more sick of hearing BoB's got something to do with it. Why don't the devs and GM's get out of BoB? Are all the devs in BoB because they're the most powerful alliance or is BoB the most powerful alliance becasue all the devs are in it? Unacceptable CCP, and you know it.
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DGWabbit
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:44:00 -
[418]
This is truly sad. Developers are ruining their own game, yes all of them.
-T20, STOLE from the community. There is no other way to look at it. Regardless of which T2 BPO's they are, those are still T2 BPO's which are incredibly rare for any player and meant to be won by a lottery. Spawning items throws off balance, regardless.
-This also doesn't cover anything else that could have been spawned from T1 Capital Ship BPO's as well as spawning ships themselves as well as mods to equip them.
-This is just one Dev, what about the others and GM's which can apparently spawn where-ever, what-ever they want.
-Why aren't the actual players who worked with this Dev, who were knowingly aware were cheating and stealing in this game, NOT being punished?
-What about the Alliance Tounry's and results? See the questions this will begin to raise?
-Why the hell does half my gang crash when we encounter a bob gang? never happens with anyone else >.<
-The rest of the Dev's, why are you allowing this person to keep working for this company and allow him to "play the game" when he simply did nothing but ruin it. Punishment shouldn't be sidestepped simply because he's a Dev, he's risking the credibility of this game and the company!!!
I'm not here to flame or tell people what to do, these are simply questions and comments that are meant to question the future of this game, as I do feel CCP could still possibly remedy this issue. I personally wouldn't see any reason to continue playing a game when I'm going to be ridiculed by the developers, anyone else who knows this might wish to ask themselves the same question.
 This needs to be linked to the other forum sections, linked on the Eve Login, and linked on the Eve Character Selection screen. The community has a right to know about this and should know about this.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:44:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Sephiraa
Edited by: Sephiraa on 09/02/2007 22:35:06
Originally by: Popsikle
Its not like its RKK's fault for t20 cheating. Why would RKK be punished because someone else cheated, its not like RKK made t20 cheat. Even if the leaders of RKK knew about it, morality is not the same as legality.
Nor is it like T20 made the Directors of RKK share accounts, but if the T20 info is true, it strongly suggests that information is equally true. Why is the BoB alliance allowed to share accounts while others are banned.
The EULA states:
Quote:
You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
Quote:
You may not share your account password with anyone. Infraction of this rule is done at your own risk. Further information on account transfers can be found in the EULA.
BoB: EVOL and RKK, require 'communist' pilots to give their account info to the Directors with the understanding that those accounts will be shared, and many of us can quote the relevant part, if 3rd party quotes were allowed on this forum. That account sharing practice is against the EULA and should be punished in the same manner that all account sharing for other players has been punished. With Bans. That, or all players who have been banned for account sharing should have their characters reinstated. It's not fair if BoB gets to play by different rules than the rest of us.
Ok yes, I know, ive already said that. But the privacy policy states information regarding actions taken against players will remain private. So who is to know if they have banned accounts or whatever for it, nobody.
And thats the way it should be. If T20 is messing around with in game stuff, thats fine, as long as CCP is not breaking the privacy policy they have, as I trust them with my credit information......
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-= I fly for Blood =- |
Cyberus
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:45:00 -
[420]
Edited by: Cyberus on 09/02/2007 22:42:04
Hmmm i think loosing the job will be too much. Give him some good penalty and other task in office and let him prove that he change.
Sad that all things what was told about BOB before and now seems to me more true then lies. Silly...
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