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Quix
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:35:00 -
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Well the damage is done now, it takes along time to gain a good reputation and a short time to lose one.
Shame really, I had hoped it was all smoke and no fire. Now i'm having difficulty in thinking it stopped at a few T2 BPO's.
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Quutar
Caldari Auraxian Irregulars
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:35:00 -
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Is this the end of the investigation? or just the first bit of real information?
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Suicide Pill
Blood Money Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Suicide Pill on 09/02/2007 21:32:24 IĈm truly sadden by the misconduct of T20, the issues raised have forever tarnished CCP how can we ever trust you (CCP) again?
Simply put we can not.
T20 should go IĈm sorry I know you are liked in the community but this is truly an issue that can not and should not be simply forgotten.
SP...
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Jaabaa Prime
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:36:00 -
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Shocked and stunned.
t20, WTF ????
I've being playing since beta, and, although I am, at times, critical of the servers and certain issues in gameplay, I must say that I had 100% trust in the CCP developers and GMs to be well above any kind of abuse of the game mechanics.
Originally by: "Hilmar" and the non-negotiable penalty of employment termination upon conviction of such acts
I can only assume that t20 is no longer an employee of CCP now.
It may have only been "a few T2 ammo BPOs", but even one of those can make you an EVE ISK billioner.
It really saddens my heart to read of such events, I can't put into words my disappointment at this situation. --
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:36:00 -
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I sincerely hope that t20 doesn't loose his job over this. He'd already lost his characters 6 months ago, now the BPOs will be gone. Due to the illegal actions of a hacker, who deserves his ban, other innocent devs will now loose their long time characters due to this insanity that has gripped members of the EVE community.
Lets end this witch hunt and move on with life in EVE. Take off the tin foil hats, dose the torches and get back making ourselves better rather than trying to tear down others. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Kymlicka
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tetsujin It is sad that we had to break your forum rules to bring to light accusations that ended up proving true.
Worse than that, the eve community's oversight on dev conduct COMES FROM SOMEONE WHO HACKS INTO ALLIANCE FORUMS.
It is a sad state of affairs and no amount of mea culpa is going to change that fact.
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Great Guardian
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:36:00 -
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One of my bigger concerns in this is why *exactly* was Kugutsumen banned from the game? Why is the whistle blower the one taking the fall here? Even if the information was "ill gotten"?
None of us would have known about this if not for KUGUTSUMEN!!!
/cheers GG
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |
Templer Relleg
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:37:00 -
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T20 should have his dev rights revoked from TQ for several months.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: kieron Recent allegations of developer misconduct have been the subject of much conversation in the EVE community and CCP. We have made a few recent statements to address these allegations, and listened to the community response.
In my last statement to the community, I promised that more would be forthcoming before the start of the weekend. Based on community response, we've addressed lingering questions and concerns in two different Dev Blogs.
Please read t20's Dev Blog, "On Recent Allegations" and Hellmar's Dev Blog, "The Commitment".
It is our hopes these Blogs will address the remainder of the EVE community's concerns over these allegations.
That's nice.
I quit.
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Frosties R
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Frosties R on 09/02/2007 21:35:20 The only thing being confessed to is what is already public domain thanks to the whistleblower. We are supposed to believe nothing else untoward has gone on?
I could cite numerous examples of ... complex placement, unannounced code change & account lock out leading to titan loss, temporory sov claim of POSes leading to loss of sovreignty, repeated node crashes with one aliance always getting back on first, etc, etc .... none of this was the result of "intervention"?
And to the dev who has confessed, you may be a great guy IRL, but you have cheated. If I did anything like this in my job I would be unemployeed and black listed so fast and I would have cause to complain. If there is no punishment there is no deterent.
CCP I love your game but there are limits.
<bah should have been posted with my main Jiks>
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sinlare on 09/02/2007 21:35:43 double |
Lars Erlkonig
Caldari Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lars Erlkonig on 09/02/2007 21:36:46 Edited by: Lars Erlkonig on 09/02/2007 21:36:18
Originally by: Adam C Edited by: Adam C on 09/02/2007 20:38:51 though you havent really enlightened* us on you losing your playing charactor we know from previous blogs that you most likely did lose the one in rkk.
how will the developers whom lost their playing charactors* play the game now? under closer scrutiny admittingly, anything else?
What are the devs going to do about my in game friends that have stopped playing over this? I'm sorry if I find it hard to cry over their loss of ingame friends due to malfeasance while on the job, while they continue to enjoy the game for free. CCP, if you want to experince the game, try it from the real player side of things for a chance. Take a paid sabbatical to play for a month or 2 then go back to being a dev. Play without knowing what the rest of your co-workers are doing, what bugs are currently going on, knowing which alliance knows, has, plans what. We want an even keel and clear guidleines that this isn't going to happen again. You've promised us this once before. How many chances do you need to get things right?
Hilmar:
Quote: As we look to the future...the non-negotiable penalty of employment termination upon conviction of such acts, represents the full extent that we will go to deter dev misconduct.
I'm guessing he kept his job.
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aggro
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: b0xor This is bull****!
Those BPOs are crap. No one would risk their job over some crappy ammo BPOs.
This is nothing but a smokescreen to try and cover up something bigger.
NEVER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:39:00 -
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t20, I'd like to know why you made the choice to risk your job, your character. To other devs, my condoleances for the loss of your characters. If I were to lose my main while I didn't do anything that would be considered unfair, that would sting. Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug |
Bawldeux IV
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Quutar Is this the end of the investigation? or just the first bit of real information?
its smoke being blown up a hole that rarely sees the sun...
As with many coverups, when info is leaked, it is usualy only the tip of the iceberg that the public will see.
CCP staff helped one group destroy another group, and many groups for that matter, and nothing will be done to correct that.
So, is it worth it to pay for such a game, where the developers can f over the paying customers by cheating, and nothing is done to make amends to those that had lost so much do to the cheating?
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
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The part of this that bothers me the most is that their have been allegations of cheating within BoB for such a long, long time. And finally cheating is proved but by a 3rd party! This goes back to last June and it's just coming out now because of a hacker. This really bothers me. Have there been other instances of devs and gm's cheating that CCP didn't care enough to follow up on. I've never cheated in Eve. I've never even scammed on escrow. I could have been cheating a year ago just by cozying up to a dev and likely never have gotten caught. I'm not even coherent now. I don't know what to think. http://xs110.xs.to/xs110/06485/BL5_LietTraep.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo |
Horsefly
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
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Couple questions
why was this person not fired? I was under the impression that a blatent cheat by a employee was reason for severe punishment
Also what assurances do we have this wont happen again?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Templer Relleg T20 should have his dev rights revoked from TQ for several months.
He should be fired, not rewarded.
The guy that exposed this needs to get free game time. Whistleblowers should not be punished because some ******** at CCP is upset that he got caught cheating.
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Page Appleton
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
[199]
Please try and remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Datsun Achura
Caldari Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
[200]
Absolutely disgusting.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: kieron Recent allegations of developer misconduct have been the subject of much conversation in the EVE community and CCP. We have made a few recent statements to address these allegations, and listened to the community response.
In my last statement to the community, I promised that more would be forthcoming before the start of the weekend. Based on community response, we've addressed lingering questions and concerns in two different Dev Blogs.
Please read t20's Dev Blog, "On Recent Allegations" and Hellmar's Dev Blog, "The Commitment".
It is our hopes these Blogs will address the remainder of the EVE community's concerns over these allegations.
That's nice.
I quit.
Can I have the Impoc? ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO / Acting Logistics CO Hadean Drive Yards |
Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:41:00 -
[202]
Now do something about the GM scouting our POS in 28Y.
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Zachios Primos
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:41:00 -
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"and the non-negotiable penalty of employment termination upon conviction of such acts, represents the full extent that we will go to deter dev misconduct."
If this is the case, why is t20 still posting devblogs...his ass should be packing.
I am deeply disappointed with these turn of events. In my eye's you're all corrupt. Your Dev team and your company have really let this game, and more importantly your players, down.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:41:00 -
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Honestly, I am getting a little sick of the hatred in the thread.
The BPOs are not good. And in real life, you cant kick or fire someone over a "insignificant" thing as this. We are speaking about real life people, with real life work. Real life family. A warning is on its place. But screaming for someones head just over a stupid game, and a happending that did not affect anyone in the game?? The BPOs are litterally worthless!!
T20 have showed us lot of dedication to EVE in his time here. I think its time for us to show him some trust too. Its human to fail once. If it happends again though. Then its another thing. But until that happend, he will have my trust.
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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MrDisposable
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:41:00 -
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Unban the whistle blower!
Fact: HE exposed dev misconduct and forced T20 to admit
Fact: No other allegations have been disproven
Fact: BoB Leadership KNEW about such behavior and still have their accounts.
In all types of work whistle blowers are protected and rewarded for doing the right thing.. this is to prevent corruption. Only the corrupt try to silence the informants.
I think it is time to start writing various gaming sites and magazines about this incident.
CCP has proven that indisputable proof must be levied against them in order to do the right thing. This issue does not end here.
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Ocono
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:42:00 -
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From the official statement:
Quote: ...we have been building up a special institution within our company similar to the Internal Affairs divisions of law enforcement agencies.
Within *our* company? Isn't that like leaving the wolves in charge of counting the sheep?
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Karash Amerius
Amarr O.E.C
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:42:00 -
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Video Games are often a mirror of life it seems. So many people are here, in this thread, unknowingly yelling to the world all their insecurities in life. They throb, yell, and bleed virtual tears on how someone is 'robbing' them...in ways that I care not.
All over some 1s and 0s. Binary bits that only represent a dream...a moving peice of artwork that everyone gets to paint. Its a sad commentary on the game and its community...but, it is also just a reflection of life.
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ordo Lucius It is a ******* GAME!!!
To call for someone to lose thier JOB (you know, the think us normal people have?) over some bloody blueprints (i dont give a **** how much they were worth) is absolutely insane. They guy messed with policy, "misconduct" blah blah, but lets face facts, who the hell got hurt by this in real life? Anyone?
It's not about the BPO's as in their value. It's in the inherent trust we, as players, place in CCP to provide for us a game that we enjoy. We pay CCP for that. If CCP then turns around and breaks the trust, that pretty much comes down to us players being scammed by the very entity we pay a monthly fee.
I don't know where you're from, but I doubt you enjoy paying $15 every month to someone who might, or might not, scam you. When the trust is gone, there's something seriously wrong.
CCP needs to tread very carefully right now. ...Free Kugutsumen... |
Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:43:00 -
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Wow.
I have to admit, I was skeptical, but I didn't see this coming.
Certainly sheds a new light on all those members of BoB who flipped out whenever someone implied that there might be something a little illigitimate going on.
It's quite funny actually, I remember saying in a thread in which BoB and ASCN were accusing each other of haxing/cheating/humping penguins that eveyone should stfu until someone actually has evidence.
Well looks like something like that happened, here is evidence (although for something a bit different).
Seriosly dissapointing to see something like this happen after you have been playing the game for 3 and a half years :/
And the fact is that if kugutsumen hadn't exposed this in the way he did we would know nothing about it. That just makes it worse.
What the ****. -----------------
Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
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Mrs Amadeus
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Honestly, I am getting a little sick of the hatred in the thread.
The BPOs are not good. And in real life, you cant kick or fire someone over a "insignificant" thing as this. We are speaking about real life people, with real life work. Real life family. A warning is on its place. But screaming for someones head just over a stupid game, and a happending that did not affect anyone in the game?? The BPOs are litterally worthless!!
T20 have showed us lot of dedication to EVE in his time here. I think its time for us to show him some trust too. Its human to fail once. If it happends again though. Then its another thing. But until that happend, he will have my trust.
This is not the first incident of GM misconduct.
Admitting to something after being proven guilty should garner no respect.
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