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Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:08:00 - [511] Originally by: Liathus Firebane I'm not sure that i will be able to continue paying to be exploited. The fact i have been paying ccp only to have their employee's cheat in a persistent world game is insane! I will never be able to engage a bob ship and be shot with t2 ammo and wonder if it was acquired via fraud. CCP, you need a policy of NO DEVS IN THE GAME. if this doesn't happen, i will cancel both of my accounts. If this message is edited or removed by ccp, i will cancel my accounts. Can I have your stuff? Really tho, you saying your gonna quit isnt gonna make a difference, if your going to go, go already. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Dra0cht	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:08:00 - [512] Please, do the decent thing, and immediately unban Kugutsumen, and all his accounts, and apologise for not having the guts to do what he has done. I suppose the anger and frustration will be unleashed on a certain in-game alliance, and all their friends and subjects. In the absence of a full investigation, which has not happened so far, perhaps the total annihilation of cheaters from the game will be the action of the community after all.
FBIJustice Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:08:00 - [513] how about his dev's / GM's cant play . just watch. [url=http://www.fbi-clan.org][/url]
Delivery Bloke	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:08:00 - [514] 1) Firstly with out and shred of a doubt this guy should lose his job. 2) More than likely he has probably been selling stuff on ebay(through people ingame)or selling ingame items for r/l back handers(if he would breach trust anyway, why not?). If this could be proven in court then he should prosecuted to the full extent of the law(im sure this would involve some r/l crime). 3) There needs to be a FULL and COMPLETE investigation and then ALL culprits named and shamed wether they be DEV's or players. 4) This may only be a game but this has the potential to affect the profits of CCP in the long term aswell as the short term(If CCP take tough, stern and no-nonsense action then im sure someone would think twice before doing anything like this again. I still think CCP has the best development team in ONLINE MMO's at the moment and im glad to hear that they will still be playing in all sort corporations and alliances in the game. A good hard look needs to be taken at all corpoarations involved this may take so resources away from the game but it will pay for it self if you think trust is important, concerning your customers.
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:08:00 - [515] Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) Where there is trouble you will always find AGGRO
Wanux	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:09:00 - [516] I have a problem with the way this is being handled, CCP. You are providing a coverup and a smokescreen while allowing all sorts of EULA breaking activities to be ignored. You should either admit that you are corrupt or actually do something.
Cyrus Ildemar GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:09:00 - [517] Edited by: Cyrus Ildemar on 09/02/2007 23:06:33 Originally by: Grez You cannot stop the people making this game, playing it, and I for one will STOP paying for and playing this game if they stop. After all, they need feedback, and one of the only ways they can actually check for bugs, or see if the games working or not, is playing it. Okay, so here's an idea. Instead of most of the devs diligently and rigorously testing the workings of T2 blueprints, and leading capital fleets into battle, how about they actually spend time playing at the level of most players, and doing the things that most players do? If the devs want to play so that they are aware of how the game works, then most or all of them should be mining in Ospreys, ratting, doing missions, perhaps participating in small-scale engagements. Because THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THE PLAYERS DO. I'm very glad that the heroic devs are willing to test the game experience of the top 0.1% of players, but perhaps they should set their sights a bit lower. And then I would stop doubting that they are actually playing for the good of the game, and not for the good of their own ego. And maybe if a dev then cheats by spawning 1000 units of illegal Veldspar in his hangar, there won't be such an outcry.
Niaski Zalani Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:10:00 - [518] Originally by: Qual Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 09/02/2007 20:34:13 :whoah: any chance of unbanning kugutsumen then? :/ Hell no! Mind you he is NO hero. He is a hacker. And a pretty nasty one. He has broken into more than just web sites. He has hacked actual player accounts. Thats a CLEAR ban. NO discussion. And you know that how? ...Free Kugutsumen...
Imicusin	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:10:00 - [519] This is absolutely disgusting... This guy has literally- the entire universe at his hands, free to do anything, and he supplies half a dozen "worthless" bpo's. Yes, I believe that. Half a dozen randomly selected bpo's to make the incident "harmless", but what about what he really supplied? (btw, speculation, I got no proof, but I have a soul) If I was going to cheat, if I was the pet of some alliance, I would supply every T2 bpo in existance! Give me this random ammo bpo crap. Give me a break. No harm done. Please. Stop lying, 1. What did he really supply? 2. Have a sense of justice! How many hundreds of millions "worthless" T2 ammo, (T2 ships) are going to be sent against me and allies? Tell the broken alliances that not only were they destroyed by bob, but they didn't even have a chance against an alliance that had every advantage this game has to offer, player earned- or developer hand-out. This guy didn't just betray his own alliance. He betrayed every player in eve. btw own thoughts, not corp/alliance, whatever.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:10:00 - [520] Originally by: Jane Spondogolo Im actually feeling a bit sorry for T20. The guy did fess up. At least give him credit for that. I really dont like the idea of anyone losing jobs over this, but maybe Im biased as an old union boy. CCP: The lesson of this is UNNERF MY FALCON That is all. yeah he "fess" up after he was caught. you post was just dumb. so everytime someone does something wrong all they have to say is sorry and it's ok. you must be 9 years old to believe that
Levin Cavil Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:10:00 - [521] Edited by: Levin Cavil on 09/02/2007 23:13:08 My initial reaction was that t20 should be fired and I was a bit confused as to why he was still employed but after looking at the blogs a second time it really does make sense to let him stay. Originally by: Hellmar "Upon review I personally would have chosen to act differently, but what's done is done. Difficult decisions always have to be made, and we cannot always second guess how these would appear if, in part, they are revealed to outside parties who do not have the same information to base their choices on." The above statement is really the key, t20 was punished already for whatever it is he did. That punishment may not seem like enough to many people but its too late now to do anything. Double Jeopardy is what we are really talking about when asking for t20 to lose his job. While it may not seem like this is a long past event it actually is. CCP dealt with this months ago and asking them to dig it up now and change their decision is wrong. My trust in CCP is shaken but I am confident in whatever steps they take to prevent this from happeneing again. As a community I think we have asked for a lot in the last few days and CCP has given us what we wanted. We now know what happened and what is being done to stop it from happening again, there's not much more we can ask. t20, I appreciate the apology and explanation and I hope that the rest of the community can do the same. ---------- Eve is balanced: Caldari have to train Rails Minmatar have to train Missiles Gallente have to train Drones Amarr have to train Caldari
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:11:00 - [522] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Honestly, I am getting a little sick of the hatred in the thread. The BPOs are not good. And in real life, you cant kick or fire someone over a "insignificant" thing as this. We are speaking about real life people, with real life work. Real life family. A warning is on its place. But screaming for someones head just over a stupid game, and a happending that did not affect anyone in the game?? The BPOs are litterally worthless!! T20 have showed us lot of dedication to EVE in his time here. I think its time for us to show him some trust too. Its human to fail once. If it happends again though. Then its another thing. But until that happend, he will have my trust. Actually we are talking about a real life product, with real life customers paying real life money. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Philo Farnsworth Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:11:00 - [523] Please remain on-topic - Serathu ([email protected])
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:11:00 - [524] I'm sorry to say it, but I just cannot see how T20 can continue to be employed by CCP, he says he's sorry, and I'm sure he is but somehow I don't think he would have been as sorry had he not been caught. Sorry it was an abuse of trust, he knows it and in my opinion has no place at CCP.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:11:00 - [525] Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
Sky lv	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:12:00 - [526] Wait, Wait, Wait.... How could this have anything to do with Bob? I thought bob didnt have devs playing in their ranks? Isnt that what we've all concluded after everyone who stated otherwise was TOTALLY BASHED and FLAMED to hell on the forums? Wow.... And this whole thing about only 1 dev did this and only some worthless t2 ammo bpos were used/given is utter BS IMHO, people who really believe this is ALL the help bob has ever gotten I'd like some of what your smoking. I dont think we' will ever been given the full story because of obvious reasons.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:13:00 - [527] I don't believe T20 should be fired. First because overall, he's been pretty nice for the community, second because he asked for forgiveness, and given the uproar this whole affair has already caused, I really don't think he'll do it again. And I feel sory for him... But I'm a little disappointed to see devs in Bob. The "we play to win" alliance, the one most bent on meta-gaming. There's still several concerns: - That GM that stayed for a long time in a goon-sovereignty system two days ago, and who seemed interested by their POS. - Yesterday, another incident in Fountain, implying a Polaris frig, a gang warp with a bob member, and a safe spot busted only seconds after a ship was there. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:13:00 - [528] Originally by: Skooney I just hope that all of you that are being so critical of T20 and CCP remember this when one of you, makes a bad decision in life. It was a mistake, it has been corrected, lets move on and play the game. T20 - As far as I am concerned, it takes a real man/woman to stand up and "take it on the chin" - Forgiven! Let's play EVE! There is a difference between a mistake and a deliberate act. Mistake = Whoops me drops plate of spaghetti and it lands in your lap Deliberate = me takes a run-up and slams plate of spaghetti into your face. One deserves forgiveness the other does not. T20 will always be a cheat, he didnt accidentally press the wrong button on the dev console and spawn himself some bpos, and then accidentally hand them to RKK.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:14:00 - [529] A mere disgraceful tip of the iceberg ... Some players go lucky and uncovered it, but we'll never uncover the rest.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:14:00 - [530] It took how long for T20 to admit this? 7 months and some of you are patting him on the back? ...He waited till the water around him warmed up and started to boil then screamed "Okay! I'll confess!" Bull***! I don't believe this is a full confession, and guess what? We'll never know what else this guy and CCP in general* is hiding. ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
Iratus Caelestis KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:14:00 - [531] Wow this is almost like having the guy in charge of Aurora events on the BoB christmas card greeting. Of course the fact that you'd always get events going on when there was a chance of Evol coming up. Coincedence that right? Shame though, I like t20
K'srah Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:15:00 - [532] Edited by: K''srah on 09/02/2007 23:13:39 Originally by: OMG Here's a nice link for all those wanting t20's head: Double Jeopardy Iceland was not on that list, was it? p.s. There are two exceptions to the general rule that the prosecution cannot appeal from an acquittal. If the earlier trial is proven to be a fraud or sham, double jeopardy will not prohibit a new trial
Zosh Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:16:00 - [533] Yea this scandal has been posted on many major news sites, and was picked up by digg and slashdot (twice!). CCP are going to lose a lot of new players. A LOT. Here's some quotes from our recruitment thread (which sucks for us too): Originally by: Inspector Ratcliffe wow I was going to try Eve out but this turns me off to the whole thing. You can safely bet that this is just the tip of the iceberg too. As a general rule people will admit to about 1/3 of what they've actually done. Originally by: Ryunosuke yea, any interest i had in this game to join the goons is now gone. They won't fire the guy, or unban the guy who uncovered it, but they'll apologize and say ** and edit stuff in the forums? yea, ** eve. I pray for the goonfleet :(
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:17:00 - [534] Originally by: jeffb Edited by: jeffb on 09/02/2007 23:04:00 Kieron, out of curiosity, do you have a character in BoB? Confirm/Deny? Neither of these blogs address all the questions raised. What about ISD & Aurora corruption? Why wasn't a proper investigation done when the LV Hel Aurora event happened? Now you claim its been too long to investigate it. Why was AnthonyZ banned for bringing all this information to light? Why is there a GM flyinig around an alliances moons just as BoB declares war on them? I think the DEV/ISD/GM breakdown pr. alliances (all of them mind you) would be VERY interesting. I think that would shut up A LOT of people here... I mean how do you know for sure that GM aint a Goon? Eh? YOU DONT! Thats the point! "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:17:00 - [535] Originally by: Shadowsword I don't believe T20 should be fired. First because overall, he's been pretty nice for the community, second because he asked for forgiveness Caught on cheating this game for ages? no... Fire him, this is a game and fairplay is a must. ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:17:00 - [536] Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 09/02/2007 23:10:00 My initial reaction was that t20 should be fired and I was a bit confused as to why he was still employed but after looking at the blogs a second time it really does make sense to let him stay. Originally by: Hellmar "Upon review I personally would have chosen to act differently, but what's done is done. Difficult decisions always have to be made, and we cannot always second guess how these would appear if, in part, they are revealed to outside parties who do not have the same information to base their choices on." The above statement is really the key, t20 was punished already for whatever it is he did. That punishment may not seem like enough to many people but its too late now to do anything. Double Jeopardy is what we are really talking about when asking for t20 to lose his job. While it may not seem like this is a long past event it actually is. CCP dealt with this months ago and asking them to dig it up now and change their decision is wrong. My trust in CCP is shaken but I am confident in whatever steps they take to prevent this from happeneing again. As a community I think we have asked for a lot in the last few days and CCP has given us what we wanted. We now know what happened and what is being done to stop it from happening again, there's not much more we can ask. TBH what should happen is simple: t20 should resign.
Imperium	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:17:00 - [537] I also suspect that there must have been significant legal advice sought. If not, it might be a good idea. Originally by: Griefer Troll Edited by: Griefer Troll on 09/02/2007 22:25:22 What a crock of ****. My synopsis: Yes the allegations are true, we've kept you waiting for a week to inform you we are going to do absolutely nothing about these incidents except make hollow and useless promises. We will admit one charge and deny the others which are extremely hard to prove or disprove. We will make one person a scapegoat, to allow others to continue to abuse their priveleged position as they have been doing for years. Please keep paying for this game, which pays our wages, so we can continue to play god in a world of our own making.
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:18:00 - [538] * Developers helping (an) alliance(s) gain information they otherwise would not have. * Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics. * Developers helping themselves acquire goods in-game by means of in-house tools, otherwise not available to regular players. And the third is true. I think this goes to show what's wrong with the current T2 BPO lottery. Having high value items in your game is fine but T2 BPO's are of rediculously high value. I've seen a couple post on the sell forum for close to if not more than the base value of a Titan. This incident should cause CCP to reconsider the entire current T2 mechanics. For the love of god do what you should have to begin with and put 10 BPO's up in each field every week. That said the ASCN member who suggested at class action suit may just have a point. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:18:00 - [539] Actually it would be nice if all these people threatening to quit actually do. Eve would be a better place and more mature people would be more likely to start playing Eve. As it is right now, many people shy away from playing Eve due to this kind of crud. Unfortunately those threatening to quit have been playing the same tune over and over trying to get what they want with no intentions of ever quiting the game. It isn't a threat unless you are actually willing to go through with it; otherwise it is just a bunch of hot air. So to that, if you don't like the outcome and are threatening on leaving, I am calling out your bluff and stating the obligatory 'Can I have your stuff?' As for the guy who supposedly 'outted' the story, he should remain banned permanantly as CCP has taken the appropriate course of action based upon their own investgation. Hypothetically let me put it to you this way. If some of us players used our influences and abilities that we exhibit in real life as this clown has done, the reprecusions can be quite damaging whereas in the Eve world, you can always turn it off and walk away. The actions taken to obtain the information he has done are considered unethical in the very least and possibly illegal. Stating that he has information that could lead to repercussions against individuals if they don't follow his wishes is considered blackmail and possibly extortion if he is potentially using actions that will directly harm such individuals. It wouldn't be a far stretch for someone to explore these possibilities in the real world if it their area of expertise. It may seem trivial as it is 'just a game' but the reality is that online crime can bring a certain reputation which leads to advancement of one's career. You can discredit this all you want as rubbish but it is general knowledge that people from many aspects of life play eve; doctors, lawyers, corporate directors, not just students, teenage kids and the 'unemployed' as some think. Anyhow, CCP did their investigation and having access to all the relevant information did the proper analysis and made the decision based on their own policies. Those who who are crying that the sky is falling don't have access to the details or even the capability to do a proper unbiased analysis if they did so they should just shut up and realize that they are nothing more than a member of the peanut gallery....In this world, CCP runs the justice system and justice has been served. Leave it be and find something else to moan about like balancing Amarr :)
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:19:00 - [540] Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY

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