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Bratacus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:54:00 -
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I think CCP should have a very long rethink about Dev/GM interaction within the game at the moment.
If a Dev/gm was not able to join a corp. and was clearly tagged these events would happen less.
Its human nature to try to cheat and help ones friends but as a company you should make it as hard as possible for these events to repeat themselves.
CCP Employees should not be corp. members or owners (Full stop).
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Zachri
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:54:00 -
[242]
So is it time now to ask Lemonde to stand up as well? I mean, you're covering up a big boo boo by admitting a small boo boo. Will it take more external and third party crap liek what we've had to put an end to this?
And before you remove this post, lemonde already is a known glitch as well since months, there's even tons of screenshots of his forum posting oopsies. Talk about a tournament organiser who is now in TAOSP?
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Mickey Mouse
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:54:00 -
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Comon CCP tell us everything and mabye some day we can trust you again as it looks now you guys just throw us some tiny parts of the trouth but we know there is more so just spill it and i hope T20 is cleaning his desk now cause thats what he deserve!!
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Rhaegar Targarin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:55:00 -
[244]
They need to be fired and some sort of penalties applied to those they aided. This is ridiculous.
Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot |
Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:55:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Xendie to start with T20 should come 100% clean about everything even the account sharing and ebaying in RKK also and name names.
we know the name but if he has any spine at all he will name then for the record so all those accounts can be properly banned. we know he was in charge of RKK's capital fleet and had intimate knowledge of their cynonet and account sharing for that cynonet.
also Sirmolle should have all his accounts banned for posting a persons RL name and adress on these forums.
you still got a long way to go before you have cleaned up in your own house CCP.
Personal matters, with personal accounts get handled privately, not public as stated in the EULA. This thread IS NOT ABOUT ABOUT ITS ABOUT T20.
If you think BoB is cheating, or ebaying, open a petition under exploit, thats why its there. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Lysit Kaune
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Judging from what I've read T20 hasn't been fired for one of a few possible reasons: 1) It has been known to CCP for sometime what happenned, and was not uncommon enough to be warrent of anything (as long as its hush hush). 2) Kugutsumen was on to a few things, open admition of this now possibly stops any further probing. 3) A situation akin to the start up of Game-Workshop, I gather T20 has been with Eve from the beginning, it may be possible some small, yet significant parts of eve are in part or other small way, copyrighted to him? Leaving would cause problems. Games-workshop had to drop a few story lines and graphics due to developers with copyright leaving.
Full Evidence and Justice is what should be given, it is pointless for things to be found and confirmed and dealt with behind doors. For Justice to work it has to be seen to work, for it its gritty parts.
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Tod Klemp
Gallente K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Niaski Zalani Oh, that's just great.
So first there's an attempt to sweep it under the rug, and a lot of denials. Then you ban K.'s accounts, for no real reason.
And now you're telling everyone that yes, there's truth behind it?
Bloody hell. Are you going to be re-instating those 7 accounts you banned? Because frankly, the guy deserves having his accounts back.
Yes, breaking laws is nothign at all. Then again, I know why you care so much.
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Ruiryu
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:56:00 -
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First off. I think this is just smoke screen, I don't believe thats a complete list no living moron would risk their neck for such low end tech2 bpos.
Secondly no I don't think people should be forgiving, you have betrayed the trust of the player community. You should have the account banned, and should lose your position within CCP. t20 should not be allowed to hold ANY POSITION with in the GM's DEV's, or ISD. These actions should not be over looked, or simply tossed aside b/c he says he is sorry.
He stole something from CCP, and this game community, in any other job you would be fired on the spot and have criminal charges pressed against you. If CCP does any thing less then fire t20 from his postion and ban this account it is an out rage and slap to all of our faces.
Enough with the double standards CCP. It's time to make an example to show us your serious about this game and how things are conducted. In the past year CCP's relationship with it's player has gone down. In the past if the server was to go down for a day or two, you (CCP) would give the players an extra day to play. This has stopped, why?
I will admit that it took some some guts to come out and say what you did t20, but it doesn't excuse your actions in anyway.
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie to start with T20 should come 100% clean about everything even the account sharing and ebaying in RKK also and name names.
we know the name but if he has any spine at all he will name then for the record so all those accounts can be properly banned. we know he was in charge of RKK's capital fleet and had intimate knowledge of their cynonet and account sharing for that cynonet.
This is a point that should not be overlooked. There can be no question of EULA violating account sharing within that cynonet. This means at a bare minimum a developer of the game was complicit with breaking the same rules that people have their accounts banned for.
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also Sirmolle should have all his accounts banned for posting a persons RL name and adress on these forums.
Also should not be overlooked. They ban someone in retaliation for exposing their corruption and do not ban someone who was complicit in their corrupt for doing the same thing?
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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asodfjasdlfk
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: asodfjasdlfk on 09/02/2007 21:53:20
Originally by: Lucre
If I read this correctly, CCP knew those bpo's were fraudulently obtained but LEFT THEM IN THE GAME UNTIL NOW?
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This is what I came here to post after reading the blogs. Tell me this can't be true.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: ShuPac the3rd I really don't see any reason for t20 to stay here anymore. Frankly if I get any chance to wrok wth him in real life I will personaly do anything to remove him from that company!
Yes he amde a lot for CCP and EVE but... hey...you got Bank employee who was working for twnty years in a bank and suddnely he took couple of millions...shall we keep him because he done so may good things last 20 years???
NO!!!!
If I took 20 million from my company (which my company dont hae..) I would not be just fired. I would be a.) in jail and b.) in the news.
This comparation shows how much this thread have turned sick
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Zachios Primos
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Honestly, I am getting a little sick of the hatred in the thread.
The BPOs are not good. And in real life, you cant kick or fire someone over a "insignificant" thing as this. We are speaking about real life people, with real life work. Real life family. A warning is on its place. But screaming for someones head just over a stupid game, and a happending that did not affect anyone in the game?? The BPOs are litterally worthless!!
T20 have showed us lot of dedication to EVE in his time here. I think its time for us to show him some trust too. Its human to fail once. If it happends again though. Then its another thing. But until that happend, he will have my trust.
Excuse me, taking a companies product (in this case bpos) and taking or creating them for your own personal gain is absolutely a firable offense as well as possible legal ramifications. If this were real life, t20 would find himself behind bars and nice stack of fines and charges on his lap. You're talking about someone lying, stealing, and cheating. The fact is yes this is just a game, but a game that I am paying 15 dollars a month to play. I am not going to stand to let someone cheat me in a game i'm paying them to create!
t20 has shown enough dedication to use his power to benefit himself and those he saw fit. In my eyes the punishment is too lenient for the crime. If it were any other circumstance I would agree with a second chance, but the fact remains we are paying customers and we're being cheated out of our money.
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Rhaegar Targarin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:57:00 -
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I am really so sick to my stomach about this. I promise so much more cheating is going on. If this was what was caught, there is another 90% of the iceberg underwater not yet exposed.
I am >< that close to quitting this game for good.
Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot |
Alex Under
The Priory
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:57:00 -
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Ok, I've read Hellmar's Blog and I must say I am appalled.
Quoted from Hellmar's Blog "...A pivotal case was uncovered last summer during a routine investigation of developer accounts. Unfortunately CCP did not act with the same decisive consistency we have used on previous occasions. Those left at the helm chose to react cautiously, as sometimes is appropriate under these circumstances, leading to more leniency and understanding than we are used to in these matters..."
So CPP are now openly admitting that they new something was going on, but chose to ignore it. This only leads me to question - what else was or is going on that CCP chose to ignore that has yet to be uncovered by the EVE community? How many more Devs have acted inappropriately that we don't know about? This would not have ever come to light if a certain person by the name of "Kugutsmen" hadn't uncovered this and be brave enough to bring it to the public eye. Had he not brought it to the community's attention, how long would CCP have gone on ignoring this matter?
CPP shot themselves in the foot with this one. I don't think it is t20's sole responsibility to have this burden and have to make an apology, I think it is up to the heads of CCP to say "...sorry, we messed up, we should've acted when we uncovered this last summer...blah blah..." as they apaprently knew all along that something was going on.
Honestly, I don't care that he handed over T2 BPOs to BoB or that BoB profited and made money off of it. What's done is done, but what is upsetting is that his actions may have changed/impacted the course of this game for the long term. Even the slightest change is still considered change. I don't have any problems with the DEVs playing the game. But they should never ever hold any type of leadership roles whatsoever, and they should be excluded from all T2 BPO Lotteries as to avoid any mishap in the future. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:57:00 -
[255]
I don't find this particularly surprising; given sufficient humans and sufficient time, something like this is bound to happen every so often, in spite of the regard that the developers seem (or seemed? ) to be held in on these forums. ------
So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp! |
Knerf
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:57:00 -
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There is sooooo much more to this than is actually being done, im no forum warrior nor do i have the time to sit and write a 4 page long post about all the problems with this and how it is being TOTALLY brushed under the rug but a few of the main things that are being forgotten here, and in my view are the most important. BOB taking and using info given to them from a dev to use against their enemys, KNOWING it was info from a dev, all these peoples accounts should be perma banned and all their assets deleted, its cheating plain and simple, i dont pay an monthly fee to play a game that other people that are more "popular" get an unfair advantage against others...
that and all the ships/items that others have lost due to the knowledge these people had from said advantages has to be staggering, its unfair on so many levels i dont have the time (as said above) to even begin to scratch the surface.
the next thing i should see a post about though is a list of the cheaters that have had their accounts banned from knowingly taking this information and using it against others. if that does not happen it would be an advertisement that you should cheat whenever you can as its accepted in this game.
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Poolpy
dev zero
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour Seriously, They were mostly crap BPOs.
And this, don't ring a bell to you ? If he was able to spawn crappy bpo...
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:58:00 -
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I am very glad t20 did not get fired. Lets all just calm down a bit here. There are People in Eve legaly Scamming other players for billions, and you all get upset about some minor tech2 BPOs?
And about the trust thing, do you expect to find 200 randomly assorted Humans and not one with them who is the proverbial foul apple? Naive.
CCP did investigate, and you have your witch to burn. You want to burn her now? Or maybe accept an apology for a realy not very serious act done long time ago?
And about the Guy who started it off, I am realy glad he got Banned. He posted reallife Information about players he suspected (not proved) to be CCP people in player corps. That allone should get him banned. And besides, he got that information by breaking Real life Laws. (breaking into computers is considered crime allmost evrywhere)
So, t20, lessen learned i guess. Good work on the investigation ccp, and now get over it people.
--- [AUCTION] Semiconductor Memory Cell II (built) |
Bloedkopp
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:58:00 -
[259]
Please stay constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Eutectic
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:58:00 -
[260]
Honestly the T2 BPO's are the least important of the allegations. The biggest is the inside knowledge of game mechanics and events passed to BoB.
There are some serious problems right now with Aurora team. Blatant favoritism of certain parties and unscheduled events that attack POS's in war systems comes to mind. Conviently the response from CCP has been it's been too long or we have no way of auditing it. Fine if that's the case then eliminate the events. I would love to see statistics of event locations and what alliances were involved and benefited.
As to K, I say let him burn, don't forget he attempted to extort resources from BoB before going public. Kind of like the dog who saves all your sheep but kills all your chickens instead. He's no martyr. Attempts to portray him as one are laughable at best.
Finally CCP should have but one feeling about this whole matter and that is utter SHAME.
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Irishi Ka
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:58:00 -
[261]
This is really bad news. People will leave.
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Anglo on 09/02/2007 21:56:02 hard to say this, but i really hope all of eve will go against bob, and tell it to there face that cheeting in a game isent cool... i will never trust a bob thread again. nore any t20 says.
bob go die.. u cheeting scum...
Xelas fix etc.. wake up.. bob is the scum of eve...
free the whistler.... ccp u did VERY wrong... FREE him.-
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Yellow Planet
RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:58:00 -
[263]
This is a good start.
What about the account sharing and other accusations. I have been on the receiving end of being shot though a POS shield by these guys.
I used to think all this stuff was crazy until that faction scorp got popped.
I am very disappointed about all this stuff. I was talking to my corp. mates on TS the other night and I said if something like this happened in RONA that I would quit in shame, the all said the same. Where is the shame? Is it really a win at all cost?
I am going to have to think deeply about my account status, I love this game dearly, but now whatÆs the point.
Originally by: Gummi CCP+BOB pushed, but the community pushed back, now thats a f****** Pendulum. |
Ian Novarider
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:59:00 -
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a) Is T20 still employed by CCP ?
b) Has the method to gain BPOs been changed/randomized/altered away from the method compromised by dev information to players ?
c) Have those players who knowingly and repeatedly utilized information given by a dev (who acted against the rules of his employer CCP) been banned or suspended ? (proof of this is on a website you know well by now)
d) Has the in game profit gained by the illegal BPOs been traced in game and removed, like you would do it with every other profit gained by an exploit ? (that means not only ISK but also assets bought with these ISK)
e) Are the accounts of the player who exposed this problem still banned from EVE ?
Please answer these questions and answer them well, as you might lose subscribers and therefore money if you dont come clean out of this affair.
It is also your reputation as a company that is on the line here - and it has already taken a major hit on many well known games websites already.
Ian Novarider
Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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Rolled
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:59:00 -
[265]
Sadly this is still .... Not enough.
You've addressed some of the issues (and thanks for that) but not all. If you seriously are going to pretend like you've not been told what they are then it's quite clear CCP is trying it's hardest sweep this under the rug.
T20: Don't care one way or the other if he continues to work at CCP. However he shouldn't be playing the game any longer in a 0.0 alliance/corp. Ever. He's shown he can't handle the responsibility.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:59:00 -
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Isn't this a can of worms?
I have allways been against metagaming and consider what has happened as a total breach of contract between ccp and its playerbase. As bad as the T2 system is it has just got worse, as it seems to be instrumental in unbalancing the game in the favour of the more unscrupulous players. If EVE is a game biased towards dishonesty, theft and breach of trust I do not want to play it. Pure and simple. Allthough my role in this game is meaningless atm, as one of the upcomming players of the future (or at least I like to see myselg that way ) I wish to leave the following for CCP consideration:
1) The person responsible for bringing this whole affair into the public eye should have lenient treatment if he broke the EULA to do it, this information is of community interest and as such should excuse any minor ilegality present in making it public.
2) The Dev in question should have his accounts in the game terminated, and I personally consider that he should resign, but I leave it to CCP to decide on his future.
3) Being a member of the homeworld community (where I am known as Zepherian) and knowing several people quite high up in the BoB hierarchy I have in the past made it known that I would want to join their organisation. Allthough no firm response has been given to my request, in light of these events I am forced to retract all past statements to that effect, as I do not condone metagaming and believe that online gaming should be done based on equal oportunity. I will not take part in an organisation that has in the past harboured cheating activities.
4) CCP really need to revise the game mechanics, EVE is a game that rewards treachory and lies and penalizes the just. Is it any wonder that it succedes in corrupting the very people that create it? I suggest, for the long term, that CCP think about the moral implications of the game they have created, because atm it seems to be a school for scoundrels. And, to be blunt, it ******* sucks. I do not subscribe to enjoy the company of thieves.
RtoZ aka Zepherian.
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Frenchypoo
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:59:00 -
[267]
Any devs willing to comment on any of this?
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Bawldeux IV
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:59:00 -
[268]
Please do not troll - Serathu ([email protected])
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Imager
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:59:00 -
[269]
While it's cute you admitted it, the eve playerbase already knew you were a cheater and you knew you were a cheater. This time you got caught. You registered on Bob's forums with a ccp address. Your desire to be someone important in a game you created overwhelmed you and now you stand before us hoping to be exonerated. I don't forgive you. What you did was outright deplorable and threatened the very nature of fairness in eve. Good job. It takes hundreds to build a palace, but only one to tear it down.
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incist
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack Point 1) Hmm... wheres the bob blob? Guess they got told to shut up and let this burn out.
Point 2) Just a game? How about you have YOUR allaince booted out of your space by "influnced" Allaince with "favor" in high places. See what you think.
Point 3) CCP needs to sort this and fast and also look at the other favouritism that has gone on. Complexes, Account sharing, Petitions (how long did it take you to get your stuff back vs the opposing allaince?)
CCP is in a PR landslide. Fix it... or you will die trying.
I know someone in CLS who told me they were a dev via in-game message on another game I play....
Dont go around acting like your own poo dont stink. CLS has had how many T2 BPO's over your history? What are the odds some of them were spawned too? Who knows really? |
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