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Tetsujin
Caldari
Band of Brosefs
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:26:00 -
[151]
It is sad that we had to break your forum rules to bring to light accusations that ended up proving true.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Short Bus Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:27:00 -
[152]
 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: ZaKma
While t20 did something he shouldn't have done, I really hope he doesn't get fired. He's been with the community for a long time.
It's not like the BPO's made some huge difference in terms of isk or advantage or anything. It's wrong of course, but nothing staggering.
QFE!
I love the work of T20 very much! Just as I love the work and dedication of the other devs! Even if what he did was wrong, it is easy to take a few steps wrong now and then. So I hope T20 will stay with us!
I want to return the words from some devs made in a post a long time ago. I cant find the post but it was about CCP accepting the appology from a player member from Las Vegas who was part of the people who arranged the gathering there. It takes some solid brass balls to come up with the appology.
I think we all in the best game spirit should accept his appology and continue with the game! T20! You have proved your dedication many time to EVE online! Now I return the dedication for you the devs! For me, this is now history! And I hope the others view it the same way as me!!
Niccolado
ABSOLUTELY NOT! he lied, cheated and STOLE. he needs to be sent PACKING.
TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
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b0xor
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:27:00 -
[153]
This is bull****!
Those BPOs are crap. No one would risk their job over some crappy ammo BPOs.
This is nothing but a smokescreen to try and cover up something bigger.
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Cedori
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:27:00 -
[154]
Yes, shame on those damn whistleblowers who worked for the Tobacco companies. How dare they come out with evidence of wrong doing.
Shame on the FBI guy who turned out to be "Deep Throat", didn't he know he was supposed to support the president without question?
etc, etc, etc.
Sure it's just a game, nobody died from this, and I hope T20 keeps his job, we've all had moments of weakness/stupidity before, we're human. But at the same time, how is what Kung did ANY different then the whistleblowers of the real world? He's accusations hurt the community? No! His accusations brought to light something that was ALREADY Hurting the community. The old adage is as true today, as it was 100 years ago. "Don't rock the boat, especially if you're sitting in it". He found a wrong, and tried to correct it. This happened over 6 MONTHS ago, and somehow, it took his posting of accusations to get any kind of response, and to correct that wrong.
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Susan Mathers
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:27:00 -
[155]
Bob, for a little while, needs to be treated differently.
1) If there is a situation that can be classified as "boarderline", you need to take the hard line. You cannot show any appearance of favorites
2) If you do make a ruleing for/against Bob, you need to make it public, at least for now.
I'm sorry if I'm picking on Bob, as their may be other situations in other alliances, but it has been proven that Bob got an unfair advantage from T20. CCP needs to make sure that it is ABSOLUTELY clear that they are not in any way helping one Alliance over another
All GM's need to realize that we are in a new era of Eve. The trust was broken, we need to learn to trust CCP again..
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TOTALHELLDEATH
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 -
[156]
Once again Kugutsumen done a aewesome job, big thanks to you i hope you will continue your work.
And shame on BOB we all see again that the only way they can play is to lie and to cheat
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SNeAkYbRiT
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 -
[157]
I dont give a damn if the BPO's were that good or not....the point is they got those BPO's via cheating.
Sorry but T20 defrauded me and many more, I pay for this game and now I find one of the DEVS gave CCP's favourite Alliances free T2 BPO's and he still has a job! WOOT!!!!!! this is not exceptable u need to be sacked and removed, I personnally don't trust and will not trust someone that needs to CHEAT! even if they do apologise, you did wrong.
For the leaders of BoB they should have their accounts permabanned! CHEATS!!!! I feel sorry for all the members in BoB that didnt know any of this and now have to play under the corp that was caught CHEATING!!!!
For all you BoB members that slagged the members off in the other thread LOL you look foolish now!
Unban the guy who uncovered this straight away and CCP stop trying to cover stuff up, start to be honest and open, we are you bread and butter and dont forget it.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Helmut 314
The statement from T20 leaves a lingering thought in my head that I dont think will ever go away : If his corpmates were so important that he spawned 30B+ of BPO risking his employment and then left them to them, whats to say that this is the only advantage he gave them, asked for or not ? Stuff thats NOT traceable via server logs...
QFT
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Razin
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 -
[159]
t20, I'll forgive you if you fix the Fan Submissions section of this site. I haven't been able to see those pictures for a year!
Oh, hell, I'll forgive you anyway.
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dodge2005
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 -
[160]
My question is where did the goods go for the print and the isk, did he sell them cheap or give them to an allaince, if so and theres stock left these too should be removed from the game. imho
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 -
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DBP buying a character or getting it gratis, Sirmolle posting personal info...this we won't see information, nor should we according to how client account issues are handled. If guilty we should see them quietly disappear, or someone from Bob announcing it, but CCP should maintain their policy on account issues being between them and the account owner.
But some issues that still need addressing in a bullet point yeah or ney manner by ccp.
1. T20's admission of what bpos he returned confirm he was the character who managed the RKK capital fleet. If so, he had to be aware of the cynonet alt sharing scheme, will action be taken on this and account sharing viololations in general. If not, then EULA changes need to be made to clarify or modify policy.
2. Can we be confident of impartiality in tournaments? Recent offsite evidence points pretty well to recent BOB membership of the dev who is in charge of these events. The idea of a rules council for made me happier, but final decisions would be in the hands of someone with bias.
3. Movement of devs and gms in warzones in suspicious manners need to be tracked. It does seem very odd to have a moon to moon jumping gm ship right before a major offensive.
4. The "Internal Affairs" group needs a email or reporting mechanism independent of the moderators, and monitored by more than one person with logs kept of deleted items. One cat sitting on the barrel of cream will not improve this process.
5. Serious thought on changing or restarting the t2 process needs to be done, if there is evidence that someone was able to do this and get away with it, then faith in the whole system is shattered. How do we know that other cases don't exist.
Ball is in your court, make us believers, but don't try and stagedive and find out the crowd has moved away.
That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick.
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Mortharian
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:29:00 -
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This dev needs to be fired. No ifs, ands, or buts. And if he is NOT fired, I am sure there will be some serious repercussions from the playerbase of EVE. Financial repercussions.
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Rusla
Significant Figures
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:29:00 -
[163]
After reading the responses I'm not even sure that CCP have understood the underlying problem. Sure, BoB got some BPOs illegally and they're going to lose them, but there's a whiff of corruption in the air. CCPs response, although quite explicit in the areas they do cover are not going to alleviate the perception that a lot of players, myself included, have about CCPs involvement with the most powerful alliance in the game.
To have 5 members of the CCP dev team playing together in one of the most powerful corps in Eve, (even if there is nothing underhand going on behind the scenes) will always leave them open to criticism, as the perception of corruption is now so great within the Eve Community.
You say that the devs must play the game. Fair enough, they must. But they should not be in a position where they can be perceived to swing political landscape. IMO, CCP should not allow more than 1 dev to play in any alliance, and while they do, the whiff of corruption will never go away.
Even on these forums, many's the time I've been reading posts that involve BoB in some way. I've lost count of the times that said posts have disappeared into thin air. The overall perception within the community is that BoB own the game and the forums, and that is simply unacceptable.
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Voltaire Leriel
Minmatar
BIG
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:29:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Voltaire Leriel on 09/02/2007 21:33:23
Unforgiveable, and disgrace to this game and it's community.
I just hope that this is truly the only instance thusfar of wrongdoing, and I honestly doubt it will be the last.
BoB by conventional makes a formidable enemy, and some cheating isn't what keeps them on top, its a hardworking and dedicated staff of players that keeps BoB at the head of a uni-polar world.
But I also know that Band of Brothers will do anything to stay on top, anything. That is how they play the game, and that is why they are so powerful.
In the end, it will be thier downfall.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:30:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Luthien Firefoot
Seems pretty simple to me:
1) Fraud, committed by an employee is gross misconduct and should therefore result in termination of employment.
2) This is probably just the tip of the iceberg and so it's more than reasonable to assume that BOB has benefitted in the billions of isk, it's not so difficult to see now how they manage to beat the rest of EVE, is it?
3) No-one could make me believe that there are players within BOB who knew nothing about this, you're telling me that a dev did this and never spoke of it to anyone? Not once on ts? Not after a few beers? Not mentioned to the ppl building / copying the bpos? OFC he did and so whatever opinion we may have of the isk benefit to BOB, they are tainted by this and something more should be done to investigate them.
4) I am glad that ccp had the guts to be honest and reveal this, it may be late, it most certainly isn't the full story or the resolution, but it's a start.
Even so, the players in BoB didnt do anything illegal. Someone in game, who was not a dev char gave them bpo's to use, and they used em. RKK might have known, sure, but if someone tells you they are cheating, and they are a dev, Morally you maybe shouldnt take the BPO's but there is nothing illegal about thier actions.
Moral =/= Legal
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:30:00 -
[166]
Looking at t20 dev blog...
Quote:
Developers helping (an) alliance(s) gain information they otherwise would not have.
Even if he did not pass on information as such, wouldn't you think that someone with his in-depth knowledge of the game in charge of something as insignificant as a capital fleet could make some kind of difference (in other words: an unfair advantage)?
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Itcharo Wu
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:31:00 -
[167]
Its bad enough that Devs even play this game as a part of big allies (I wouldn't mind them freelancing) but that just made me think if I should continue playing EVE at all.
Yes, I am having a lot of fun, yes, EVE is a great game. But knowing that the one's I am fighting probably get the help of Devs makes me sad.
I too had his problem, in a much smaller scale. I created and run a browser-based RPG and I did also have problems with admins and moderators abusing their powers ingame so I had to ban them altogether from playing the live version.
I urge CCP to do the same and change your policy.
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Caius LiviusCerso
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:31:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Caius LiviusCerso on 09/02/2007 21:28:41
removed for error
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:31:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: ZaKma
While t20 did something he shouldn't have done, I really hope he doesn't get fired. He's been with the community for a long time.
It's not like the BPO's made some huge difference in terms of isk or advantage or anything. It's wrong of course, but nothing staggering.
QFE!
I love the work of T20 very much! Just as I love the work and dedication of the other devs! Even if what he did was wrong, it is easy to take a few steps wrong now and then. So I hope T20 will stay with us!
I want to return the words from some devs made in a post a long time ago. I cant find the post but it was about CCP accepting the appology from a player member from Las Vegas who was part of the people who arranged the gathering there. It takes some solid brass balls to come up with the appology.
I think we all in the best game spirit should accept his appology and continue with the game! T20! You have proved your dedication many time to EVE online! Now I return the dedication for you the devs! For me, this is now history! And I hope the others view it the same way as me!!
Niccolado
ABSOLUTELY NOT! he lied, cheated and STOLE. he needs to be sent PACKING.
Well, I think you are wrong.
Originally by: Eldo Davip
PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT.
WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
V.I.T.R.I.O.L.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:32:00 -
[170]
All Dev accounts should be named and kept as is.
Hell make them Jovian as far as I care and prevent them to gain acces to any corp then the DevCORP.
Now if they wanna power trip go away be my guest. And when we are fed up with moderation and nerfings we can ALL hunt them down and camp them until they have 0 skills left.
I admit Devs have to play the game but DEVS should not be allowed to play within major alliances or corp.
HUMANS ARE HUMANS, you guys have no perfect sence of honor it is an "IMPOSIBILITY". You say there is no I WIN button but looks like being a DEV is one.
I say make devs account know and in a segregated corp. This would actualy make the EVEvers even funnier and give BOB something worth while to fight.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:32:00 -
[171]
WHAT! HE THROWS CCP'S REP TO THE GUTTER, the whole community probably hates him right now and wont ever trust him again.
yet he doesnt get fired? lol
ccp realise every gaming website and magazine in the world are likely to write an article about this right?
there going to believe everything on a certain persons website that has been posted.
he done damage to ccp that will never ever be repaired
at the very least he should never be allowed to play the game as a normal player
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Athelas Loraiel
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:32:00 -
[172]
I am sad.
I read blog by Kugutswhatever his name is.
He should get his accounts back.
Molle and his directors and CEOs should be banned, because noone sane would believe after all those messages revealed to us that they didn't know about all this ****.
You can't reduce damage to other hard working ppl that they all did. You can't take all the info they received about all things (exploits and what not) that they got.
They swapped accounts and are still doing it.
Molle posted real life info about a person.
BOB area got 11 good new complexes in the new patch, when other regions got what 4 or 5?
BOB suddenly moved to Delve once before even if they weren't loosing war, and some of them said they got info that there'll be new rich NPCs around there.
This is a **** day for me who trusted CCP and believed in EVE as something we are building together.
Looks like BOD were building themselves a hymn for their egos. The rest of us were idiots mining veldspar and building their first apoc.
I will be relaying all this info to my friends in all Gaming magazines in Croatia that I know of. Let people see the truth YOU ADMITTED to.
What an idiot I was when I recommended to all my friends that Eve is the best game, and CCP were the top of the companies for their caring for their players, for integrity, and what not..
How happy I was to see 30K persisten player limit reached. I read all blogs and dev reports wishing for the new stuff to come tomorrow. Can you believe I even wanted to come to Funfest??? I hope you won't do it next year. Realy. I felt happy being a part of OUR dream. Hell, had you made an IPO for stocks, I'd buy a lot.
I feel bile rising now. And anger. FOR YOU LYING TO US.
EVE TV with you CCP answering OUR questions would be the only right thing to do. If even that.
"No CCP employees are within BOB".
Yeah, right. I hate cheaters. They are lower then scum.
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:32:00 -
[173]
Heck, I'm a sysadmin in real life. If I were to put my own server in a rack, and avoid the billing system by not putting it in, and keeping people in the dark about what that box is for, even if it doesn't cost all that much, I still get fired on the spot if anyone would find out.
So yeah, sorry to see someone lose their job, but as Hellmar stated in his blog, the firing is non-negotiable. So it's exit t20. It's the only way to go, if t20 gets to stay, it just shows that there's no real intent at CCP to follow their own rules.
Which would lead, undoubtedly, to an even bigger *snip*.
Please don't avoid the profanity filter - Serathu ([email protected])
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GoodbyeKitty
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:32:00 -
[174]
Quote:
As much as this is a confession it is also a request for your forgiveness for events of which I’m truly sorry.
no
how dare you ??
you still want me to pay for this ??
how about you fix lag instead of manipulating the game like that ??
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Weka Dart
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:32:00 -
[175]
I keep reading that ccp / eve is up for this award and that award from said international game institute etc..
I can understand it because you have a brilliant game.
I wonder if allowing a single player faction to control your game with the help of developers will be viewed by these organisation? Do they know? Will you still win so many awards?
hmmm
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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:33:00 -
[176]
I've been on the inside on corporate cover ups and I hate to be the conspiricy theorist but this does to me really look like a case of putting a minor fallguy in the spotlight in exchange for his job security to cover up or detract from bigger issues or offenses.
Tell me if im out of line, but I think we as a comunity are gonna need more than one small confession to really restore faith in the system as it were.
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Ordo Lucius
Buy Loyal Approval
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:34:00 -
[177]
It is a ******* GAME!!!
To call for someone to lose thier JOB (you know, the think us normal people have?) over some bloody blueprints (i dont give a **** how much they were worth) is absolutely insane. They guy messed with policy, "misconduct" blah blah, but lets face facts, who the hell got hurt by this in real life? Anyone?
Of course they didnt, it is a game, where, by game mechanics, people can loot, cheat, scam, steal, kill, maim etc. IN GAME. Who cares if he gave away a few blueprints?
If the devs didnt get involved in in-game stuff, we wouldnt have the game we all play today. Whether or not devs should be able to spawn stuff on command on the main server is open to question. Fair enough. But to cause some poor bloke to lose his job because he cheated IN A GAME...
Guys, you ALL take the biscuit on this one. For being shallow, pedantic, unpleasant and quite frankly i think you all need to bloody wake up. Its a game. The devs "conduct" is something for the DEVS to decide on. Not you.
If T20 loses his job, i think im really going to have to reconsider my subscription to Eve. I dont want to be involved with people with such an inhuman attitude to REAL people.
"An idiot always wins. Why? Because he's too stupid to realise when he's lost..." |
Barbicane
Minmatar
The Gun Club
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr
1) No CCP employee should ever be allowed to stay in the same corp for over 6 months (leads to favoritism)
2) No CCP employee should ever be allowed to accept a leadership position in ANY corp/alliance (DEFINATELY a conflict of interest)
QFT! (there were 3) and 4) also but I don't necessarily agree with those)
I don't know any details other than what I read on t20's and Hellmar's devblogs but I hope t20 is banned from participating in the game for the next 2 years. The BPOs he obtained are worth crap today but that doesn't excuse his actions (whatever they may have been). This is a matter of principle and CCP must take action quickly and remain responsive to the community if they want to maintain their credibility.
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Boci
The Legion.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:35:00 -
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I like how everyone is trying to twist this into a BoB issue, when its not a BoB issue, its a control issue for CCP on their employees.
Someone a few pages back was going off on how Rod Blaine was getting angry and posting "we did nothing wrong" if you get called a thief and a liar, and its not true, what would you do?
Just because someone is/was a member of BoB, does NOT mean they are guilty of cheating, does NOT mean they knew this was happening. The fact that it took this long for it to even surface says that very few people knew about it at all, meaning BoB isnt guilty of anything, a few specific pilots could be, and t20 definitely is.
Removing the BPOs was the right thing to do, in game, people wanting the removal of all the items those bpos created, the isk they generated removed, etc etc, are smoking *****. In a community this small, with the amount of money people can make in a year, the number of things bought/sold, it affects EVERYONE. What if through some chain reaction it was determined that the isk you bought that CNR with faction fitting had its first steps in life tied to siad BPOs and it suddenly disappeared cause of it. You did no wrong, why be punished for it.
In the end, stop profiling entire groups of people because of a tag, 10 bucks says 99.99999% of them had no idea.
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Ace'o Spades
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:35:00 -
[180]
This person must be fired immediately to retain any reasonable semblance of a game that is not corrupt to the core.
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