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Zyta Eke
Bombshell Cartel Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26 By your logic, if you were unknowingly driving a stolen car you should be thrown in prison for it.
Not a great example. How about: if you were unknowingly driving a stolen car, should the police blow up your house because you used the car to make the money that bought the house?
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Philo Farnsworth
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:51:00 -
[452]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Fogy
Caldari Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:51:00 -
[453]
Originally by: elohllird
Originally by: Ordo Lucius It is a ******* GAME!!!
To call for someone to lose thier JOB (you know, the think us normal people have?) over some bloody blueprints (i dont give a **** how much they were worth) is absolutely insane. They guy messed with policy, "misconduct" blah blah, but lets face facts, who the hell got hurt by this in real life? Anyone?
Of course they didnt, it is a game, where, by game mechanics, people can loot, cheat, scam, steal, kill, maim etc. IN GAME. Who cares if he gave away a few blueprints? If the devs didnt get involved in in-game stuff, we wouldnt have the game we all play today. Whether or not devs should be able to spawn stuff on command on the main server is open to question. Fair enough. But to cause some poor bloke to lose his job because he cheated IN A GAME...
Guys, you ALL take the biscuit on this one. For being shallow, pedantic, unpleasant and quite frankly i think you all need to bloody wake up. Its a game. The devs "conduct" is something for the DEVS to decide on. Not you.
If T20 loses his job, i think im really going to have to reconsider my subscription to Eve. I dont want to be involved with people with such an inhuman attitude to REAL people.
QFT
So.. If I'm the judge, or a creew member of a 150k poker turnament... and I some how rigg the cards or whatever to give my friends an advantage over every one else.. I gett cought.. and apologise.. would that satisfy you? considering you paied 14$ x 3 x 12 = 504$ to enter that turnament?
I think not. thats whay people are angry with this.. HE cheated THEM for what THEY are paying, with the money THEY GOT FROM THEYR RL JOBB!.
gett the point now?
But then again.... im a softy, I dont want part in him staying or leaving, i dont considerit my desicion to be made. But my point still stands.
Cheers! Fogy
I nerfed my siggie.. :( "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:51:00 -
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First of all, I don't see why people are trying to limit the damage on t20, claiming that the bpos that were seeded were 'of little value,' The main point that I am personnally aggravated by is the fact that he chose to 'cheat' in the first place. It does not really matter whether the bpos were of value or not, and I'm sure one of the factors for him not spawning even better bpos for himself was the fact that it would be easier to get caught. T20 took the decision to cheat, and tbh if he knew he would not have gotten caught he would have spawned better bpos. Sure he has apologized, and maybe he understands how much damage he has done to CCP for cheating. However, even if he did retain his job, would the majority of eve players trust him anymore? Already we have people claiming that he will just create a new toon and carry on as usual(which i doubt).
Secondly, there are other allegations that have been brought up by people about other signs of dev misconduct. Will there be an investigation into this as well? For example, the Devs that are alleged to be in Bob HC, who knew about the 'cyno alt' network, yet turned a blind eye. Does this merit a ban or a warning? Sure, most eve players would probably ignore account sharing for cyno characters. But the fact remains that CCP Dev's should actively seek to enforce regulations which they themselves exercise when petitioned upon. Therefore the ommission from said CCP Dev's may need to be investigated as well, in order to restore CCP's image.
Thirdly, with the alleged 'Ebaying' of chars, is there any action to be taken against those people? AFAIK, it is against the EULA to use RL money to buy toons, and there is evidence (if you believe it) of this happening. Therefore, will said ebayers be banned from the game, which is what usually happens for people who do this right?
Also, one of the major issues that BOB face now, is the fact that their HC have been exposed, for misconduct, via ebaying, cyno-alt sharing, account sharing (the 'communist plan'), bpo spawning etc etc. What will happen to these players now that they have been exposed? T20 tried to accept all responsibility, and shift blame from his friends, rightly so. However, any reasonable man would see through this. I await CCP's reply, conduct on this matter.
Reading Kieron's post seems like too little, too late tbh. Damage has been done, some have receieved their just deserts. However, not enough seems to have been done with regards the BOB HC and the other Devs who have been implicated from recent posts. I can't really see what CCP are hoping to do to reduce the possibility of this occurring in the future. Will we have to rely on people such as Kugut to 'look after the community' by exposing said misconduct rather than CCP who atm are very lax on the situation imo?
We shall see. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames) |
Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:51:00 -
[455]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:52:00 -
[456]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:52:00 -
[457]
Interesting stuff.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:53:00 -
[458]
Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Blacklight Very very difficult to post in this thread from my point of view. Not because I feel either myself or my mates that I play Eve with are cheats but because one man, an employee of CCP no less has let us all down, most of all he's let all of BoB down.
We play hard but I firmly believe we play fair and to have the rug pulled out from beneath us like this is a very bitter pill to swallow.
I'll blog about the issue from my perspective when I am done moving house and stuff so could be a week or so.
Not much more I can say really except that I am sickened and saddened to learn that a CCP employee in my alliance cheated.
your actually saying that the entire BoB alliance is claiming ignorance when when HOW many people called you cheaters?
how many posts in the corp and alliances forums call you guys out? how many times in how many threads did people say that...and only NOW it "sickens and saddens" you?
pfft
When people cant elevate thier own actions to that of "the best" the always claim fowl can that the "best are cheaters", its only normal human behavior to be greedy and disbelieving at what others can do that you cant.
Dont hate the alliance, Hate the dev. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Plasticine Perfection Unban Kugustumen, penalise BoB *fairly*.
Then maybe there'll be some respect again. Until then CCP are heading for the dustbin of MMORPG history to serve as nothing other than yet another lesson on How Not To Run An MMO.
Oh, and I'm intrigued to see what the BoB leadership are going to do about this. A lot of your futures may depend on this too.
Yes, unban a blackmailing hacker! lol, sad person. |
Proclarush
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:53:00 -
[460]
Edited by: Proclarush on 09/02/2007 22:49:59 Guess we know now where last years Christmas toys went...
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Tars Phan
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:53:00 -
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This is my first post on this subject, and my last.
So after many days of BoB screaming witch hunt and CCP saying trust us we get this confession. It feels like damage control all over again to me.
The most powerful alliance in the game got special favors from a developer who admits to one out of a list of charges, what else is being swept under the rug here? CCP you have zero credibility now, my assumption is that most of the charges have merit.
If I was a member of BoB and not a bobbit in the know I'd be embarrassed and annoyed by this, guilt by association and forum dynamics are going to be unforgiving in this case. I know you BoB guys can PvP and you're both organized and tough opponents, it doesn't matter, you have been all been tainted, no doubt most of you don't deserve it. That won't change human nature.
For me the game is compromised and the remedy proposed seems disproportionate to the potential damage done. I honestly cannot think of any way that CCP can restore my confidence in the impartiality of the game at this point.
t20 you got off light; If you worked for me I'd be busy blackballing you in the entire business community after I had your arse frog marched out of the building by security, you have no business working in game software development no matter how good you are at it.
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Philo Farnsworth
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Blacklight Very very difficult to post in this thread from my point of view. Not because I feel either myself or my mates that I play Eve with are cheats but because one man, an employee of CCP no less has let us all down, most of all he's let all of BoB down.
We play hard but I firmly believe we play fair and to have the rug pulled out from beneath us like this is a very bitter pill to swallow.
I'll blog about the issue from my perspective when I am done moving house and stuff so could be a week or so.
Not much more I can say really except that I am sickened and saddened to learn that a CCP employee in my alliance cheated.
Tell us more about account sharing, Blacklight.
You sure GOONSWARM wants to go there, "Jacob"? Are you sure YOU want to go there?
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Wormy Gallint
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:54:00 -
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Thanks for the quick investigation.
I assume the offender has had his employment terminated. It would have been nice to have read that in the blog though.
I too have concern about the profit made from the illegal BPOs and hope that they have been/will be rolled back.
On removing CCP characters, I would like to suggest that those who revealed their own identity be removed while those revealed by others merely be rehidden (renamed, new portraits, etc.). I hate to think that employees would lose all their hard in game work through no fault of their own.
Thanks for the great game! I for one am happy that CCP plays Eve. It keeps game enjoyment a much more personal concept to work towards. Wormy Gallint |
K'srah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:54:00 -
[464]
I can't believe other CCP employees are willing to go back to work with someone who has undermined all of their work in such a dispicable and underhanded manner.
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BugxEarl
Amarr Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:55:00 -
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There seems to be quite a lot of people being sympathetic to this fraud, but in the big picture, isn't it more reasonable to view this incident this way?
CCP, wether they knew of employees abusing their privilage or not, only released this information when the community started complaining with big enough voice (in order to appease it of course). This has nothing to do with the honesty of k20; this has more to do with saving CCP some face. I mean, anyone with a bit of a clue would instantly notice that CCP's credibility would be quite skewed if they simply told off the community saying 'CCP holds strict guideline among our workers not to abuse their developer status blah blah blah'.
At the end of the day, what has exactly come out of this? A sympathetic community, BoB alliance doesn't loose much (bunch of crappy BPO and a sabre BPO which they can easily re-purchase from someone), and a multi-million SP character which again can be re-purchased.
BoB alliance is now few billion isk short; a large alliance can easily afford that kind of isk. This investigation hasn't changed a damn thing, thank you very much.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:55:00 -
[466]
Devblog has this written all over it ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms! |
Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:55:00 -
[467]
he should be fired. so the next person thinks about it.. "should i cheat and lose my job or play far and keep my job"
"so what if a cop smokes alittle pot. or does alittle PCP on the job.. i mean it's he's life right"
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Caius LiviusCerso
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:55:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Arthur Miller Now, what is going to be done about the multiple cases of account sharing in RKK that these devs had knowledge of?
Shrike anyone?
Titan driver in BOB, like 24 hours per day, per week, per month online?
C'mon...
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kam SingDu'k First of all, I don't see why people are trying to limit the damage on t20, claiming that the bpos that were seeded were 'of little value,'
Even this is a bogus argument. Everyone in this game knows that "it takes money to make money." Remember what happened when freighters were introduced? People with money bought freighters straight away and made billions AFKing trade goods around in safe Empire space.
By the time that people without money had enough to buy freighters, CCP had changed the system to make the trade routes that the freighter guys used much less profitable.
Who knows how BoB has used the ill-gotten gains from the BPOs?
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:57:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Philo Farnsworth
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Blacklight Very very difficult to post in this thread from my point of view. Not because I feel either myself or my mates that I play Eve with are cheats but because one man, an employee of CCP no less has let us all down, most of all he's let all of BoB down.
We play hard but I firmly believe we play fair and to have the rug pulled out from beneath us like this is a very bitter pill to swallow.
I'll blog about the issue from my perspective when I am done moving house and stuff so could be a week or so.
Not much more I can say really except that I am sickened and saddened to learn that a CCP employee in my alliance cheated.
Tell us more about account sharing, Blacklight.
You sure GOONSWARM wants to go there, "Jacob"? Are you sure YOU want to go there?
Don't tease them like that, it's more fun to let them feel good about themselves first and then reveal their own shortcomings ;) |
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Evil D4rk
Caldari Shihan.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight Very very difficult to post in this thread from my point of view. Not because I feel either myself or my mates that I play Eve with are cheats but because one man, an employee of CCP no less has let us all down, most of all he's let all of BoB down.
We play hard but I firmly believe we play fair and to have the rug pulled out from beneath us like this is a very bitter pill to swallow.
I'll blog about the issue from my perspective when I am done moving house and stuff so could be a week or so.
Not much more I can say really except that I am sickened and saddened to learn that a CCP employee in my alliance cheated.
I understand your point BL, but the actions of T20 have cast a shadow of doubt on a number of other things within your alliance, more importantly the leadership of RKK.
They knew he was a Dev for a long time, they promoted him to Director of Cap fleets, because of his behaviour on the RKK forums you would have to conclude that he had been giving inside information to certain leadership in RKK and to confirm that we have:
Originally by: dimensionZ
could understand such secrets from Galavet, as he is, our boss. You aint my boss, and you never will, as i wont be ur boss either. I never kept informations from you i beleive, hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those.
There is evidence of not only the BPO issue but giving his corp an advantadge by giving information that is not available to everyone else in eve.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:57:00 -
[472]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Honestly, I am getting a little sick of the hatred in the thread.
The BPOs are not good. And in real life, you cant kick or fire someone over a "insignificant" thing as this. We are speaking about real life people, with real life work. Real life family. A warning is on its place. But screaming for someones head just over a stupid game, and a happending that did not affect anyone in the game?? The BPOs are litterally worthless!!
T20 have showed us lot of dedication to EVE in his time here. I think its time for us to show him some trust too. Its human to fail once. If it happends again though. Then its another thing. But until that happend, he will have my trust.
Pardon me Sir, but I am a consumer. CCP sells an entertainment product that I pay real life money to enjoy. We are now finding out that that product is not exactly what it has been represented as. Your protests that it is 'just a game' fall on pretty deaf ears for those of us that see it as a product, and expect to receive exactly what we are paying for. For me, that means a level playing field and game environment. T20 is not just another player, he is an employee of the corporation that sells this product. A product that is purportedly free of this sort of behavior by way of mysterious checks and balances that apparently do not work as advertised.
I think the people in this thread are very much entitled to their outrage. As either an individual or a member of an alliance, I would dearly love to possess a Sabre BPO. That ship costs over twice what any other interdictor costs in my region of space. I know, I fly all four, based on current market price, and the abilities of the hull. One can safely assume that difference in cost is pure profit so you can drop the protests about these BPO's being small potatoes. No one is buying it. The original source of this information, which was widely criticized as being counterfeit, also showed monthly payouts from the program these prints were fed into, so since the source has been validated on the existence of the abuse, I'm afraid I am going to have to assume the payout information was accurate as well. The burden of proof is now on the alliance that denied the entire situation, not the source of the information. The opportunity for them to say 'yes we did this, but no we didn't do that' has come and gone. I might add, those denials were accompanied by highly personal attacks that as far as I have seen, have not been apologized for.
The alliance that directly benefited from this abuse has now declared war on mine. How much of a difference will this abuse make? I don't know. Maybe none at all. But I hope you can understand how that uncertainty might rob me of some of my enjoyment of a product that I am paying money for, for purely entertainment purposes.
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Yeah... Probably not.
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Skeltek
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:58:00 -
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Hi, I just heard about the stuff and read the blogs. Simply felt I would have to tell myself.
If employees were not going to get fired but only would loose their accounts if they act inappropriate like that; there would be no real risk in trying to cheat in the first place.
Any damage already done cannot be undone; nobody would be able to track down everything. If money accumulated from from those BPOs was invested to buy something from a third person, you cannot simply deduct the money from the third person and give him back the bought item. That simply is not possible.
The third thing I would like to mention in this case is: Probability and suspicion are not enough to fire someone or perform any retaliation on players/custumers that seem to have had intentionaly drawn any benefit from the incidents.
The statement and actions performed by the Ceo of CCP are the best possible solution that could be made. It does not matter wether there are more incidents left unrevealed or CCP only "admitted" a peak of what was done by a few of their employees: It was never the intention to cheat the remaining community nor is the company interested in decreasing the game quality by favoring of a few.
No matter what facts are, CCP is most probably mostly interested in increasing gamequality and decreasing such incidents as far as possible; so no matter what you think there still might remain unrevealed, it is CCPs own interest do choose the best possible solution to prevent such occurings so be assured they will take theese actions. No point in whining about impossibility that a better solution than the best one simply doesnŠt exist.
kind regards, Skeltek
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Grez
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:58:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Caius LiviusCerso
Originally by: Arthur Miller Now, what is going to be done about the multiple cases of account sharing in RKK that these devs had knowledge of?
Shrike anyone?
Titan driver in BOB, like 24 hours per day, per week, per month online?
C'mon...
Pretty much all alliances share their Titan/Mothership. There's very few that don't, and I could understand if there was some leniancy for those ship-types only. A nice skill would make a change to this, so someone could pilot a Titan/Mothership, whilst the main account was still "in it". ---
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:58:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Blacklight Very very difficult to post in this thread from my point of view. Not because I feel either myself or my mates that I play Eve with are cheats but because one man, an employee of CCP no less has let us all down, most of all he's let all of BoB down.
We play hard but I firmly believe we play fair and to have the rug pulled out from beneath us like this is a very bitter pill to swallow.
I'll blog about the issue from my perspective when I am done moving house and stuff so could be a week or so.
Not much more I can say really except that I am sickened and saddened to learn that a CCP employee in my alliance cheated.
Tell us more about account sharing, Blacklight.
Tell us more about the HUGE GTC ring you guys got going, and the sales of GTC's on ebay, and the dread sharing posted in your officer forums please....
Or dont because it does not belong in a tread about T20, nor does any PRIVATE issues the GM's have with any of RKK's leadership.... __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Ademaro Imre
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/02/2007 22:58:53 nm - just read the I am a member of the Disgraced Band of Brothers Alliance apology.
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Philo Farnsworth
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:58:00 -
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Goonswarm had a widely used client portrait hack, which was in violation of the EULA.
Where was the righteous indignation then?
While Goonswarm and its buddies are calling for t20's head, how about dealing with that?
Misconduct should be addressed -- WHEREVER it occurs, right?
Or does that not apply to Goonswarm?
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Bembelritter
Gallente PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:59:00 -
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my problem is the question if will some other do it again or who else did it. i hoped this post will restore my confidence in the system but i still have this bad feeling in the pounch. and i think there are a lot of players not pleased also.
Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kaplanelle on 09/02/2007 22:57:10 Well folks, guess there was a witch found in this hunt after all. I'll trade anyone my tinhat for the woolen eye cozies?
Originally by: Ramblin Man Devs shouldn't be fired over incidents like this
Zero tolerence policies actually make difference. Easy to say" Bobby's a nice guy, so what if he bonked his secretary... (and opened the company to a $3m lawsuit)". Getting axe for mixing business with pleasure at the expense of your customers is totally called for.
The fact that there were a few few references by devs was crying they'd have to say goodbye to friends, well, boohoo. You need to keep some distance here or else you'll continue have more employee/alliance incest.
There does need to be a real sea change here. We can only assume that the next abuse will be concealed far worse, as the ante for being caught now is so high. Seizure of the BPOs now is like using a kleenex on an exploded ballon full of grapejuice.
Dear CCP, my dollar vote's going elsewhere unless you get damn serious and make a detailed, public policy on dev-player limitations.
But I'll stick around a little to help clean up the mess here.
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Sephiraa
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Sephiraa Edited by: Sephiraa on 09/02/2007 22:35:06
Originally by: Popsikle Its not like its RKK's fault for t20 cheating. Why would RKK be punished because someone else cheated, its not like RKK made t20 cheat. Even if the leaders of RKK knew about it, morality is not the same as legality.
Nor is it like T20 made the Directors of RKK share accounts, but if the T20 info is true, it strongly suggests that information is equally true. Why is the BoB alliance allowed to share accounts while others are banned.
The EULA states:
Quote: You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
Quote: You may not share your account password with anyone. Infraction of this rule is done at your own risk. Further information on account transfers can be found in the EULA.
BoB: EVOL and RKK, require 'communist' pilots to give their account info to the Directors with the understanding that those accounts will be shared, and many of us can quote the relevant part, if 3rd party quotes were allowed on this forum. That account sharing practice is against the EULA and should be punished in the same manner that all account sharing for other players has been punished. With Bans. That, or all players who have been banned for account sharing should have their characters reinstated. It's not fair if BoB gets to play by different rules than the rest of us.
Ok yes, I know, ive already said that. But the privacy policy states information regarding actions taken against players will remain private. So who is to know if they have banned accounts or whatever for it, nobody.
It's quite simple. We know the names of the characters in question. If they ever log in, we know they are still around, and that the account sharing has gone, and continues to go, unpunished. The message being, the EULA is free to be broken at will.. as long as you are in BoB.
Or, BoD, as it sadly appears to be.
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