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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 15:55:00 -
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i want my new avatar to have the whole blind minmatar white eye disease. shouldn't matter as the pod tx/rx the info from my brain.
however i guess i'd need a white cane too for walking in the stations "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:38:00 -
[1172]
Originally by: Stitcher
Even if said manpower purpose-hired? It's not like they relocated anyone for this job, they hired a whole new team to do it with. That's not really a "waste" is it?
Please stop propagating this myth. There are a couple problems.
Resources from the live team will be used. Ambulation must be integrated. Do you use the new people from the other team to modify your server code or do you use the experienced people who have been working with it?
Also resources were spent by CCP on these new people. Those resources could have been spent on non-ambulation tasks.
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That's a bit like asking "why would I sit still in a bar when I could just walk around outside and call my friends on a mobile phone?". My guess? The bar's chat room is only available if you're in the bar.
I fail to see the point of a feature that removes you from the game.
Quote: Well... yes. Have feature, use feature.
No. Just because a feature is included does not mean people will use it. The current logic is that people will use it because people will use it. That's circular. There's no incentive.
Quote: And guess what? some of us, especially the crowd who post in the Intergalactic Summit, actually LIKE the idea of a game mode which is purely immersive.
Until you're playing the game from inside a fluid filled bubble immersion does not exist. Immersion is mental deficiency. We do not have the tech for immersion.
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:44:00 -
[1173]
Originally by: Tappits why do something a way thatĘs going to take longer when you can do it another way that takes less time
Ask your girlfriend/wife.
I know less than you think I do.
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:52:00 -
[1174]
Originally by: Dictum Factum
Originally by: Tappits why do something a way thatĘs going to take longer when you can do it another way that takes less time
Ask your girlfriend/wife.
i am eve geek i dont have any of those? were do you get them jita?
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 17:02:00 -
[1175]
Edited by: Stitcher on 27/06/2008 17:05:06
Prior to making the rest of this post, I'd like to apologize for condensing the comment I'm responding to down to a mere six words, but they are six words that sum up the problem perfectly.
Originally by: B1FF I fail to see the point
Yes. Yes you do. You've missed the point entirely. Unfortunately, you are also apparently blind to the point, the big signs and spotlights drawing attention to the point, the tour guides who are patiently explaining the point, and the gigantic map with the point clearly labeled right in the center of it, along with GPS co-ordinates, a very clear set of instructions and a series of photos and videos designed to guide you to the point and ensure that you get it.
In other words, this feature is not for you. If you don't understand why this feature is being made, why CCP are doing it, why people are excited about it and why it will continue to exist and be developed despite your naysaying, then you were never a part of this feature's intended target demographic. Sucks to be you, I guess.
The rest of us, however, DO see the point, ARE excited about it, and DO consider it to be a valuable use of CCP's time, money, staff and resources. Unfortunately, we will never, no matter how eloquently and well we debate, be able to convince you of this, because your minds simply don't work that way.
How fortunate for you, then, that you can just ignore it if you so desire. I wish to God you'd do so... -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.27 17:36:00 -
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Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.
Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Jessica Watia
noQuarter.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:08:00 -
[1177]
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Silvana Kor'ah
sure, but why would i actually sit still in a station bar when i could fly around and just join the bar's chat room?
This.
Everyone's reason for using ambulation is predicated on the fact that people will be using ambulation. It's a catch-22.
Currently you can socialize while playing EvE. With ambulation you have to stop playing EvE so you can only socialize.
Its a roleplay thing I think, and if your a alliance in 0.0 with a station it may be a fun feature to.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:16:00 -
[1178]
Originally by: Neth'Rae
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Confuzer - Upload content for ISK (pictures on wall for instance, or a picture of my computer setup for on my rooms door :D
No. We don't need immersion breaking crap like this.
Agreed. I also hope people won't be able to run around naked. That's just as bad as a dancing emote..
at fanfest CCP said that you could walk around naked in your ship but if you tried to leave the ships computer wouldn't let you :P
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:18:00 -
[1179]
Originally by: Stitcher
The rest of us, however, DO see the point, ARE excited about it, and DO consider it to be a valuable use of CCP's time, money, staff and resources. Unfortunately, we will never, no matter how eloquently and well we debate, be able to convince you of this, because your minds simply don't work that way.
No. You think you see the point. According to what has been published ambulation is a broken design. Please read the thread. It is quite literally nothing more than a 3d chat engine.
There is no reason to enter it other than to chat. When it is first launched it will be popular with tourists seeing the sights. Numbers will then decline as people realize there is nothing to do. After that it will only see limited use in hubs.
To "hang out" in a bar there needs to be people there. Currently we can "hang out" without being in the same in-game location. People make the assumption that those who they chat with now will be "hanging out" in ambulation with them. It's egotistical and misguided. Those people who chat with can be anywhere in EvE. Any where. That's the current system. People are no going to stop what they are doing and travel to a specific location, placing their plying on hold, to chat. They're going to say, "dude I'm 14 jumps out" || "I'm gate camping" || "I'm mining" || "I'm missioning".
tl;dr People are not going to drop what they are doing to travel to an arbitrary location when they can talk from where they are right now.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:21:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.
Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?
while custom would be stupid do you see any reason to not let us use the skins NPCs allready have? Like blood raider skins. If you buy a tech 1 frigate BPO with the blood raiders it should have the same paint job the blood raider tech 1 frigte have no?
wouldn't this be a good middle ground?
also
Quote: I fail to see the point of a feature that removes you from the game.
I think lots of people see the point in a feature that remove you from the game
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Daziel Iaar
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:21:00 -
[1181]
Adds to the immersion as a roleplay, i welcome it.
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:29:00 -
[1182]
Originally by: B1FF tl;dr People are not going to drop what they are doing to travel to an arbitrary location when they can talk from where they are right now.
Yes, they are, actually. It doesn't have to make sense for them to do so, they'll do it anyway. Why?
It's called Roleplaying. -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:38:00 -
[1183]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.
Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?
while custom would be stupid do you see any reason to not let us use the skins NPCs allready have? Like blood raider skins. If you buy a tech 1 frigate BPO with the blood raiders it should have the same paint job the blood raider tech 1 frigte have no?
wouldn't this be a good middle ground?
I think lots of people see the point in a feature that remove you from the game
Well yea, but as far as I am aware, if you buy a Blood Raider ship BPC, you get a blood raider ship out of it.
But I am assuming you mean that you don't get an Apoc with the falling apart looking skin, or something. I have only flown the different modeled faction ships (like Daredevil/Dramiel), so I don't know.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:38:00 -
[1184]
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: B1FF tl;dr People are not going to drop what they are doing to travel to an arbitrary location when they can talk from where they are right now.
Yes, they are, actually. It doesn't have to make sense for them to do so, they'll do it anyway. Why?
How many people in eve really do RP to the level that you think? Less then 10% of all people live in 0.0 space so I would say the number of hard-core Rpers is going to be less than that. And donĘt say look how many are Rping in FW there not Rping at all there killing which is fun other than walking up to some one and chatting what else can you do? Weres the RP options?
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:41:00 -
[1185]
Originally by: Stitcher
Yes, they are, actually. It doesn't have to make sense for them to do so, they'll do it anyway. Why?
It's called Roleplaying.
That's just not true. People can roleplay right now but they don't. Look at the people you talk with now and then check how many of them are docked in the same place you are. That is if you are docked.
You are describing an exception case.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:50:00 -
[1186]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.
Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?
while custom would be stupid do you see any reason to not let us use the skins NPCs allready have? Like blood raider skins. If you buy a tech 1 frigate BPO with the blood raiders it should have the same paint job the blood raider tech 1 frigte have no?
wouldn't this be a good middle ground?
I think lots of people see the point in a feature that remove you from the game
Well yea, but as far as I am aware, if you buy a Blood Raider ship BPC, you get a blood raider ship out of it.
But I am assuming you mean that you don't get an Apoc with the falling apart looking skin, or something. I have only flown the different modeled faction ships (like Daredevil/Dramiel), so I don't know.
No no you can't buy tech 1 blood radier ships they are NPC only. Another example is in the thukker tribe rifters. Thye are the same as normal rifters but with a different texture skin. However you as a player can never use this paintjob they have, even if you work for the thukkur tribe.
So basicly if we could buy more ships like a blood radier punisher with the same stats as a normal punisher just so we can have the paint job the NPC gets.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:52:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Stitcher
Yes, they are, actually. It doesn't have to make sense for them to do so, they'll do it anyway. Why?
It's called Roleplaying.
That's just not true. People can roleplay right now but they don't. Look at the people you talk with now and then check how many of them are docked in the same place you are. That is if you are docked.
You are describing an exception case.
look above you asked why anyone would want a fewature they would remove you from the game and that's just it, it will remove you from the game and everyone will be happy :)
J/k anyways, you still don't get it, and in 130 days it will be playable at fanfest so anything you say doesn't matter. now if you were to run for CSM and prove other people agree then maybe you could change something but even then CCP would jsut step on you and your 1% of the playerbase support. as would the rest of the CSM because we see it as a great expansion in what is eve.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
now if you were to run for CSM and prove other people agree then maybe you could change something but even then CCP would jsut step on you and your 1% of the playerbase support. as would the rest of the CSM because we see it as a great expansion in what is eve.
The CSM has no mandate. They were elected by 5% of the player base. Thus it's grossly inaccurate to describe them as representing the player base.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 19:03:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: MotherMoon
now if you were to run for CSM and prove other people agree then maybe you could change something but even then CCP would jsut step on you and your 1% of the playerbase support. as would the rest of the CSM because we see it as a great expansion in what is eve.
The CSM has no mandate. They were elected by 5% of the player base. Thus it's grossly inaccurate to describe them as representing the player base.
actully it was 20% the 5% was the 5% rule on voting. And over 30% of the playebased voted on issues in the assemble hall.
and as CCP said anything done by the CSM and finished into the game will be noted in the patch notes as CSM. Thus players will get more into it every election.
Also by your logic seeing as only 25% of people usally vote for goverment leaders the real world system is broken too, but that is whole differen OOP thread.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.06.27 19:11:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: MotherMoon
actully it was 20% the 5% was the 5% rule on voting. And over 30% of the playebased voted on issues in the assemble hall.
and as CCP said anything done by the CSM and finished into the game will be noted in the patch notes as CSM. Thus players will get more into it every election.
Also by your logic seeing as only 25% of people usally vote for goverment leaders the real world system is broken too, but that is whole differen OOP thread.
That is a blatant lie. Please read the CSM Devblog
Total turn out: 11,8% Total votes cast: 222.422 Votes cast for the CSM winners: 12.678 % of votes cast for CSM winners: 5,6%
The existing CSM was voted for by 5,6% of the player base. Describing them as representing the player base is grossly inaccurate.
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Kaill01
Minmatar The Management
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Posted - 2008.06.27 19:33:00 -
[1191]
when did the topic change from Ambulation discussion of voting on the CSMs and how much votes were posted?
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 19:49:00 -
[1192]
Edited by: Stitcher on 27/06/2008 19:51:58
Originally by: B1FF People can roleplay right now but they don't.
Really?
Tell that to Curatores Veritatis, Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris, The Ushra'Khan, Electus Matari, Strix Armaments, The Caldari Independent Navy Reserve, Lai Dai Infinity Systems, Duty., Naqam, Ghost Festival and Mixed Metaphor, to name but a handful. -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 20:32:00 -
[1193]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/06/2008 20:33:51
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: MotherMoon
actully it was 20% the 5% was the 5% rule on voting. And over 30% of the playebased voted on issues in the assemble hall.
and as CCP said anything done by the CSM and finished into the game will be noted in the patch notes as CSM. Thus players will get more into it every election.
Also by your logic seeing as only 25% of people usally vote for goverment leaders the real world system is broken too, but that is whole differen OOP thread.
That is a blatant lie. Please read the CSM Devblog
Total turn out: 11,8% Total votes cast: 222.422 Votes cast for the CSM winners: 12.678 % of votes cast for CSM winners: 5,6%
The existing CSM was voted for by 5,6% of the player base. Describing them as representing the player base is grossly inaccurate.
12% ooo sorry. Still over 30% of all player accoubnt have been voting on CSM issues go check out the voting forum for yourself.
EDIT: it was my fluat sorrey guys I didn't mean to get trolled by BIFF I was just giving him a way to make a change and he doesn't want to take it. Becuase he is lazy.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.27 20:40:00 -
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Tell you what Biff if your to lazy to use the systems CCP put in place for you I'll post in the hall for you so people can vote on the issue or not releasing Ambulation. If you get 5% of the playerbase vote or whatever the new % will be after the meeting that happen last week in iceland it will be voted on and the player base will decide for the whole community.
How does that sound? will you stop whining?
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Confuzer
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.27 20:43:00 -
[1195]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Confuzer - Upload content for ISK (pictures on wall for instance, or a picture of my computer setup for on my rooms door :D
No. We don't need immersion breaking crap like this.
Why not? It *are* private rooms. If i was a space traveler, couldn't I just put ANY pic on the wall as well? I fail to see the immersion point of CCP except for clothes and decoration on avatars. I think this should be up to the user. If it is left to the user, it will be more popular then same style rooms over and over... Right now corporations use websites for the same kind of communication, and so don't contribute to any immersion. I see nobody complaining about this... ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
Xavieer Naidoo
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:22:00 -
[1196]
Originally by: B1FF
No. You think you see the point.
Wrong. You don't see the point. He does (and I do too...). That's just about it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Originally by: B1FF
According to what has been published ambulation is a broken design. Please read the thread. It is quite literally nothing more than a 3d chat engine.
There is no reason to enter it other than to chat. When it is first launched it will be popular with tourists seeing the sights. Numbers will then decline as people realize there is nothing to do. After that it will only see limited use in hubs.
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Man... just get over it. Accept the fact that there are people that SEE the point in Ambulation, LIKE the idea and ARE looking forward to it. Even if it's nothing more than chatting. Explaining why, doesn't make too much sense, since you don't like the idea anyways. Just accept the VERY SIMPLE FACT that others like it, no matter what you say. Period.
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Maladren
League of the Tiger and Tentacle Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:39:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Xavieer Naidoo
Originally by: B1FF
No. You think you see the point.
Wrong. You don't see the point. He does (and I do too...). That's just about it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Originally by: B1FF
According to what has been published ambulation is a broken design. Please read the thread. It is quite literally nothing more than a 3d chat engine.
There is no reason to enter it other than to chat. When it is first launched it will be popular with tourists seeing the sights. Numbers will then decline as people realize there is nothing to do. After that it will only see limited use in hubs.
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Man... just get over it. Accept the fact that there are people that SEE the point in Ambulation, LIKE the idea and ARE looking forward to it. Even if it's nothing more than chatting. Explaining why, doesn't make too much sense, since you don't like the idea anyways. Just accept the VERY SIMPLE FACT that others like it, no matter what you say. Period.
Exactly.
I don't see why people get so ****ed off over additions to the game that THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO USE.
AMBULATION IS TOTALLY OPTIONAL. Don't like it? Don't use it. Easy as that. |
WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:56:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: MotherMoon
actully it was 20% the 5% was the 5% rule on voting. And over 30% of the playebased voted on issues in the assemble hall.
and as CCP said anything done by the CSM and finished into the game will be noted in the patch notes as CSM. Thus players will get more into it every election.
Also by your logic seeing as only 25% of people usally vote for goverment leaders the real world system is broken too, but that is whole differen OOP thread.
That is a blatant lie. Please read the CSM Devblog
Total turn out: 11,8% Total votes cast: 222.422 Votes cast for the CSM winners: 12.678 % of votes cast for CSM winners: 5,6%
The existing CSM was voted for by 5,6% of the player base. Describing them as representing the player base is grossly inaccurate.
OR you could say they represent 100% of the players that care. |
Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:57:00 -
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I want ambulation i like the idea of playing poker, hold'em or whatever when i dont feel like flying or during patch weeks when you take your life in your hands trying to anything in a ship.
ambulation servers will be seperate from the space servers so people ambulating will have no effect or maybe even a positive effect on laggy systems since instead of people sitting in dock they could go ambulate and reduce the strain on the main nodes.
and instead of camping stations waiting 6 hours for your war targets to undock you can send someone in to harass them while they gamble drink or sit around the station. :P
either way get over it if you dont like it dont use it like others have pointed out. ambulation is a baby step to walking/running/driving on planets and shooting people in the face. |
Canock
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:53:00 -
[1200]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.
Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?
Hopefully they'll fix lag issues too.
/me dreams.
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