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Sara Parker
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.13 11:59:00 -
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I think the idea that 'ambulation is broken' is overstated.
I think the ideal that 'ambulation is pointless' is narrowminded.
Ambulation will allow those who are interested in more immersive RP to expand their game play styles through new levels of social interraction. Ultimately yes - this will likely be just an inetrgrated 3D chat room, but why is that so bad? It will be a themed, approriate, built-in environment where people can play out the characters as they percieve them.
Surely those that aren't interested in playing EVE in that way should be thankful that ambulation will be optional, rather than bashing it as pointless for that very fact? Which if you take into account the context above, it clearly isn't - to those that are interested in the RP aspects of EVE (which frankly have always been sorely lacking - an issue which causes me to drift from the game often).
My two cents? Well done CCP for advancing an aging game, keeping it fresh, interesting, and appealing to a whole range of people and play styles, without upsetting those that enjoy thigns the way they are. Now if only people could just realise that maybe, just maybe, tehre's people out tehre that like to play the game differently from them, we could all just embrace this as an exciting expansion to the EVE unvierse.
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Samel Hysta
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:53:00 -
[1322]
Does this mean us poor minmatar women will not be safe in our beds  ,
Looking foward to ambulation, I read somwhere it will lead onto walking on planets or planetry developement.
Just so long as it isn't another to be released Soon TM.
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Nynaeve Ares
Animus Incarnate
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Posted - 2008.07.13 15:32:00 -
[1323]
Can i play poker with my isk?
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Devon Ashur
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:38:00 -
[1324]
My opinion:
I think it's a neat addition. It will add a nice new interactive element, and will be a boon for roleplayers.
On a personal note, I like going around to see interesting things. I've traveled to the EVE gate, and several points of interest, just to have the experiance, and this is a new area to explore. I especially like being able to walk up to your ships to get a real impression of just how titanic they really are. 
best of all, since it seems they hired people just to work on this project, it hasn't seemed to interfere in their work on other things, as fixes and other expansions seem to have been coming out regularly.
All in all, a nice thing for people who'll like it, and something easily ignored for people who won't.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:58:00 -
[1325]
Will the "lawless" Outposts in 0.0 have more awesome ambulation content than in empire?
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 Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:32:00 -
[1326]
Originally by: Sara Parker
Ambulation will allow those who are interested in more immersive RP to expand their game play styles through new levels of social interraction.
Surely those that aren't interested in playing EVE in that way should be thankful that ambulation will be optional, rather than bashing it as pointless for that very fact?
*sigh* I'll try again to explain it.
Social interaction is good.
Social interaction requires people to interact with.
With current social interaction in EVE you can interact with anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Ambulation social interaction will only work with people who are in your same station and in ambulation.
Over the next week look at where the people you're chatting with are. Are you docked? Are they docked? At the same station? If any of these answers is no then you can't use ambulation social interaction.
So the alternatives are talk or stop what you are doing and travel to your friends physical location and talk with animations. People will not stop doing things just to be able to watch a hand wave. That's the broken part.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mia Archer
you talk about respecting other peoples opinoins but you have NO respect for anyone elses
I don't have to respect anyones opinion if I don't want to. I don't know where the nonsensical idea that I have to came from. I'm allowed to criticize any opinion I want. Do you have something to say that's relevant to the thread or are you just here to attack me?
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Jane Acer
Gallente
Orion Ore International
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:19:00 -
[1328]
Just btw - Ben Mathis offered a solid explanation why Ambulation is good for everyone: They want to expand the EVE universe, but not by simply adding more (empty) systems to it, but rather inwards, by making the universe deeper.
Apart from that pretty reasonable explanation; I'm looking forward to Ambulation.
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Angeltara
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:31:00 -
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I think it is a great idea, for many of the reasons stated in the previous 8 billion posts. I believe the people who 'bash' the idea are concerned that the game may take on a more SIMS aspect, and move more in that direction than in the current game play involving pewpew/mining/or otherwise.
My guess is that at the end of the day, it will be much to do about nothing. It will be very cool, and slick, but once the 'shiny' dulls, it won't be much of a big deal.
Oh, and if the above has already been stated before, well sorry in advance, but I'm not going to read the 800 previous posts, so go ahead and lick my shoe. 
Angel
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:33:00 -
[1330]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/07/2008 18:33:43
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Mia Archer
you talk about respecting other peoples opinoins but you have NO respect for anyone elses
I don't have to respect anyones opinion if I don't want to. I don't know where the nonsensical idea that I have to came from. I'm allowed to criticize any opinion I want. Do you have something to say that's relevant to the thread or are you just here to attack me?
They didn't attack you they pointed out your attack on everyone else.
you demand respect right?
yet you clearly just stated you in no way have to respect anyone elses opinion.
thus you just admidded your dismissing any reasons peoploe have as you don't have to respect them but everyone has to respect ou.
which for some stupid reason you think makes sense, I mean if your right then everyone else is wrong right? no way you could be wrong other peoiple are just stupid and don't see the light yet.
golden rule, treat others as you would have them treat you. well guess what, stop being surprized that people don't respect ou, because you don't respect anyone else. Really mate, get out of your house and learn some social skills, you'll find you can 100% hate something your friend loves and yet still respect the fact that he likes them. it's not hard try it some time.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:42:00 -
[1331]
Edited by: B1FF on 17/07/2008 14:44:45
Originally by: MotherMoon
you demand respect right?
No. In no way do I demand respect.
I have also not attacked anyone. Please learn the difference between ideas and people.
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Magmain
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:01:00 -
[1332]
I think most of you forget the initial point of Ambulation.
CCP teamed up with that ****** carebear MMO company to make a new game, ambulation is purely a bait and test additional game play feature for the upcoming game produced by both the companies. CCP probably don't give two shits whether people want it or not, they just want to take a shit all over EvE and hope that it works well for the next game.
/whine off
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Irina Delorean
Caldari
TURBINIUM
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:11:00 -
[1333]
Thx god, CCP want to make a bigger and better game. Adding roleplay elements, cool new features, and amazing eviroments.
Thx god, the people who want to stay always the same, coz they are afraid of everything new and differet, has nothing to do against the the changes.
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Ahzara Zhin
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Posted - 2008.07.20 17:47:00 -
[1334]
Originally by: Magmain
I think most of you forget the initial point of Ambulation.
CCP teamed up with that ****** carebear MMO company to make a new game, ambulation is purely a bait and test additional game play feature for the upcoming game produced by both the companies. CCP probably don't give two shits whether people want it or not, they just want to take a shit all over EvE and hope that it works well for the next game.
/whine off
Um no. You're wrong. Eve is CCP's flagship prodcut, similarly how WOW is Blizzards. They are not going to do anything to jeopardize those products and the income potential from them.
I'm sorry to inform you Magmain, that you are in the minority when it comes to not wanting Ambulation. It will provide a needed element to the game, and efforts are being put in place to prevent it from turning into Second Life with macarena dancing. And... the teams working on Ambultion, FOR THE NINE-HUNDREDTH TIME, did not take away from those working on lag and other bugs.
So all in all, the majority rules, sorry if you don't like it.
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Mizuhime
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Posted - 2008.07.21 17:30:00 -
[1335]
I spend too much time in station to not want to enjoy this add-on. Like when 80% of the people in local have red squares with white stars next to their nameā I'm definitely looking forward to being able to get out and walk around while I'm waiting for the bad people to go away.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:27:00 -
[1336]
Originally by: Magmain
CCP teamed up with that ****** carebear MMO company to make a new game, ambulation is purely a bait and test additional game play feature for the upcoming game produced by both the companies.
Wuh? What carebear MMO company? Are you referring to White Wolf? They make pen'n'paper role-playing games, not MMOs. Am I missing something here, or do you just have no clue what you're talking about?
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Furious Hawk
Caldari
Farlight Optic Council
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Posted - 2008.07.22 05:59:00 -
[1337]
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 22/07/2008 05:59:23
Originally by: Kyra Felann
do you just have no clue what you're talking about?
The nail. You have hit it on the head.
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Daemeon Fyral
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Posted - 2008.07.30 14:58:00 -
[1338]
wow, 45 pages, can't believe i've actually read all of that.
Ok so heres my take on things, Biff does have some valid points, from a hardcore perspective yeah ambulation would be a "nerf" and never used. what he seems unable to understand is why anyone wouldn't be all hardcore. i've come across it before, hardcore players who just don't understand the casual mindset. now to give an example to something Biff asked earlier about why people would fly halfway across the galaxy just to talk to a person face to face when they could do it in the chat channels... well i don't see any reason why they would
However... who says your traveling halfway across the universe, my corp for example is based out of two systems which we alternate between depending on what we're doing. and most of the corp only docks at those stations. we also have some nights where we just sit around in dock, in the same system, in the same station chatting. not because we traveled there simply because thats where we always dock. now once ambulation comes out, if we're all there already why the hell wouldn't we all sally up to the bar and trade war stories over a cold brew?
on a related note, some of us enjoy the whole dressup thing, i for one am probably going to spend quite some time after this comes out getting my outfit just right, probably getting a couple outfits. is there any real "purpose" I'd say yes there is. why? because I find it fun and i'm sure i'm not alone, and last i checked this is a game and having fun is the purpose of a game.
now on to your argument that since its not mandatory no one will use it. i think people will use it, because different people play this game for different reasons. i wouldn't be surprised at all if they made it so things like clothing tattoo's etc that only affect ambulation can only be purchased in ambulation. right there is something to do. so while your getting your jollies off blasting some miner to shrapnel in low sec to warp back dock take two seconds to repair undock and then fly off to gate camp someone. I can happily take my time, dock up, leave my ship take a quick stroll around the station maybee buy myself a new shirt before heading off to the bar to have a drink with some corp mates who just docked up after having run a mission.
sure not everyone will use it, sure it may be only the roleplayers who ambulate. but just because not everyone and their dog makes use of something doesn't mean it shouldnt' be implemented. for example i think it was mentioned that only 10% or something like that of eves population lives out in 0.0 now lets say they implemented... player owned planets, but you could only own them in 0.0 and they operate much the same way as an npc station. according to your logic it would be a waste because "it doesn't add anything" and "people can do the same thing only easier because they don't have to buy it so no one will buy it" well you know some people will, sure they could just dock up to an npc station and get all the same services but... maybee someone just wants to own a freeking planet
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:20:00 -
[1339]
Originally by: Daemeon Fyral
sure not everyone will use it, sure it may be only the roleplayers who ambulate. but just because not everyone and their dog makes use of something doesn't mean it shouldnt' be implemented. for example i think it was mentioned that only 10% or something like that of eves population lives out in 0.0 ...
Bad example. 0.0 is used indirectly by anyone who uses T2 gear. With POS and moon mining there is use for 0.0 and these things are moved to high sec where even carebears use the results of 0.0. But this is not the case with ambu. It is a separate product effectively. No overlap and no incentive.
So rather than talking in corp chat so everyone can participate you're going to exclude those that choose not to ambu?
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Robrina Brun
The Blueshift Cartel
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:34:00 -
[1340]
B1FF, are you just searching for more reasons to hate ambulation?
You don't need any reasons at all. Just state, "I hate the idea and concept of Ambulation." and be done with it. Stop trolling in ambulation threads which you obviously dislike and stop talking about a subject that you disagree with.
Ambulation is coming, whether you sabatoge other's enjoyment of it or not. That's your real goal isn't it? It's not to state your displeasure at the concept, it's to rain on the parade of those who might enjoy it. 
Ad Hominem attack, I know... but I calls it as I sees it.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:44:00 -
[1341]
Originally by: Robrina Brun
Ad Hominem attack, I know... but I calls it as I sees it.
At least you admit it. Yet you call me a troll.
I've stated my reasoning. Please read it.
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Mica Swanhaven
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:56:00 -
[1342]
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Robrina Brun
Ad Hominem attack, I know... but I calls it as I sees it.
At least you admit it. Yet you call me a troll.
I've stated my reasoning. Please read it.
Epic troll is epic :)
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Robrina Brun
The Blueshift Cartel
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:10:00 -
[1343]
Edited by: Robrina Brun on 30/07/2008 16:12:30
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Robrina Brun
Ad Hominem attack, I know... but I calls it as I sees it.
At least you admit it. Yet you call me a troll.
I've stated my reasoning. Please read it.
Okay, let me summarize the reasoning I've read. Tell me if I mess it up.
- Ambulation is optional, therefore no one will use it.
- Assumptions are made by pro-ambulation subscribers that may or may not turn out to be true. If these are not true, no one will use it. These assumptions include.
- Lag decrease.
- Corporation Office/Commercial location slots and their
- Existence
- Customization options
- Appearance customization, including
- Clothing
- Physical customization
- Ambulation is localized, therefore no one will use it.
- Ambulation will be popular initially, then no one will use it.
- The money being spent on ambulation could be better spent on technical or architectual problems. Mostly because no one will use Ambulation because of 1, 2, 3, or 4.
- Some loaded questions attempting to make ambulation appear non-optional if you want to do certain things, or even more useless (and non used) if the tasks can be performed without Ambulation.
- If the tactical map can be created and used outside of Ambulation, ambulation will not be used.
- If tactical maps can only be used inside of Ambulation, they are too much trouble to use.. and ambulation will not be used.
- If Tactical maps can only be viewed outside of ambulation, they will not be used as much; but ambulation will still not be used.
- Same statements for poker or other minigames.
Are we noticing the trend here? The basic conclusion that ambulation will not be used. Some of the same sorts of arguments were used against Factional Warfare.
"Factional warfare will not be used, because of the limitations on corporations and alliances; as well as various other 'well thought out' reasons.  "
I think we've both seen what a 'limited audience' upgrade results in. More people having fun. Ambulation might not appeal to the hard core UT in space crowd. But for those of us who aren't all about destroying things. Those of us who enjoy building things just might like this expansion.
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luminous russula
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:18:00 -
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id be kool if they would release the tool for players to build stuf inside stations (once basic ambulation is out). allot less work needed for ccp as they will "only" make the engine, and allot of different stuf as im sure thousnds of players in eve can come up with some awsome ideas.
i would love to see a huge holographic room where you would go to watch the allaince tournament first hand (make smaller models of the ships and copy the coordinates and have them fly around the holo room), though something like this would be beyond the tool and would have to be done by ccp...
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:21:00 -
[1345]
Originally by: B1FF
0.0 is used indirectly by anyone who uses T2 gear.
In the same way parts of Ambulation will be tied to the rest of eve in the same indirect manner.
I read your point in another post regarding your concern that not enough people will be in the same station. I think this is a valid point, but I wouldn't call it a flaw just yet. We expect some people might be willing to travel a few jumps if there is a new hotspot in the system, now a lot of design is based on what we expect people will enjoy, having expectations doesn't make a design flawed immediately.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Robrina Brun
Okay, let me summarize the reasoning I've read. Tell me if I mess it up.
If Tactical maps can only be viewed outside of ambulation, they will not be used as much; but ambulation will still not be used.
I'm not sure what you mean by this one. A tactical map would be great and used a lot provided it can be used outside ambu. A map that you can't use to get to your destination is broken.
My point about the map and poker are that they are great features that should not be nerfed by being ambu only. There is no technical nore design reason to make them ambu only.
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Are we noticing the trend here? The basic conclusion that ambulation will not be used. Some of the same sorts of arguments were used against Factional Warfare.
What trend? What did I say about Factional Warfare?
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I think we've both seen what a 'limited audience' upgrade results in. More people having fun. Ambulation might not appeal to the hard core UT in space crowd. But for those of us who aren't all about destroying things. Those of us who enjoy building things just might like this expansion.
You fail to address the problems that are specific to the non hard core UT group. There's no hook. No game mechanic. There's no incentive. What keeps people there after the shiney and new wears off? Especially with the limitations.
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Crae Matreki
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:34:00 -
[1347]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
concern that not enough people will be in the same station.
I don't see that as a flaw - it's just realistic! If you dock in the middle of nowhere, you would expect it to just be you and the staff. It'd be quite eerie. 
Maybe holo-meeting rooms could be added for those who want to chat to people in other stations, but also want to see them in their ambulatory glory.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:35:00 -
[1348]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
In the same way parts of Ambulation will be tied to the rest of eve in the same indirect manner.
I read your point in another post regarding your concern that not enough people will be in the same station. I think this is a valid point, but I wouldn't call it a flaw just yet. We expect some people might be willing to travel a few jumps if there is a new hotspot in the system, now a lot of design is based on what we expect people will enjoy, having expectations doesn't make a design flawed immediately.
That's not possible with what you've said to date. I know the answer is fanfest but can you expound on this?
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Crae Matreki
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:40:00 -
[1349]
Originally by: B1FF
There's no hook. No game mechanic. There's no incentive. What keeps people there after the shiney and new wears off? Especially with the limitations.
Did you ever play SWG? After SOE screwed it up, a lot of players kept subscribing just because of the friends they had in game. They didn't do quests or missions - they just hung around as if they were playing Second Life (which also has zero discernable hook, yet is incredibly popular).
My point is that a lot of people will love it for the additional social aspect that it adds to EVE. Even if all ambulation did was to add walking in stations.. no maps, poker, shops.. people would still use it, and probably really enjoy it!
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bUBbLeS
Minmatar
TVP inventions
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:43:00 -
[1350]
can we get mini pets?
i miss peanut from wow
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