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Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:48:00 - [391] I believe that CCP is not that much profit driven as other MMOG companies, but I don't think that they will just easily give up at least 20% to 30% of their total turnover. A direct purchase from gtcs from CCP with ISK, for what price ever, will result in the loss of the income out of the RL world gtc sale for each and every one of that gtcs, as it takes place right now before any one gtc is sold for ISK in game. So I'm really curious, how CCP will do that, without cutting a significant chunk out of their profits. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Monty Burns Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:58:00 - [392] All of this would make more sense if CCP would tell us how many GTC's they sell each month. If its as many as to upset the economy (which I very much doubt it is) then I can understand them trying to do this but, then, no wait, they wouldn't would they. If it was so many to upset the economy then it would be worth significant income to them, enough to warrant them leaving it in. Don't tell me CCP are NOT profit driven. ALL companies are. The very fact they "merged" (there is no such thing in business, one takes over the other) proves that they ARE profit driven ... sorry "Looking to expand on options and strengthen the company" .... Darwin 4tw
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:01:00 - [393] Originally by: CCP kieron The recent MotD mentioning the sale or purchase of ISK for real money generated some questions about how Game Time can be traded for ISK, Game Time that was purchased with real world cash. In some of my replies, I was unclear. This wasn't by intention, but because of the information I am authorized to release at this time. In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK. In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. We still have a number of details to work out, as well as implementation and integration, but that will hopefully clear up some of the confusion created earlier. nice thanks. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:04:00 - [394] Originally by: Lady Abaris I cannot see buying game time direct from CCP using isk causing them huge finacial hurt. There just isnt going to be a huge jump in numbers buying as those who choose to pay in this way already do so. CCP know exactly how many GTCs are used every month and will have done their sums. The are 2 groups who will suffer. Those who profit by reselling for rl cash and nobody who gives a damn about EVE will have any sympathy for them. The second group is those who fund their ingame activities using their rl wealth. Well this group is already able to get big advantages by the use off multiple accounts to raise isk so all is not lost for them. CCP do seem to be raising their game in terms of fighting the Isk selling menace and this change is hopefully just part of the attack on the sellers. I can see a trend towards an eve with proportionally less isk per head in it. An example being the new Level 5,6 and 7 missions will be item rewarded rather than isk. Removing the isk sellers from the game removes a massive amount. While CCP selling game time for isk also fits the pattern although i think the numbers involved are in reality somewhat smaller than we think. Lets be honest EVE would be a far more interesting place with out the isk sellers in any form and with less isk in the economy. The dedicated pvpers who currently use bought isk would either have to fly smaller ships, earn isk ingame like average players or shock horror cooperate with nonpvpers and gain an industrial base. Real player miners (bless em) would actually become vital again to the community and the economy. The result? Well we could expect to see fewer capital ships and battleships blobs out there. Smaller ships like cruisers and afs would again be more common again allowing the newer players more accessability. Oh yes and miners would get more friends. yes amen. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Monty Burns Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:17:00 - [395] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Lady Abaris ..... The are 2 groups who will suffer. Those who profit by reselling for rl cash and nobody who gives a damn about EVE will have any sympathy for them. The second group is those who fund their ingame activities using their rl wealth. Well this group is already able to get big advantages by the use off multiple accounts to raise isk so all is not lost for them.... Wrong. a 3rd group. Those of us who buy occasionaly to allow us to play but dont have the time in rl to dedicate any major commitment. Those of us that have maybe 2 or 3 hours a week. Those of us who love the pvp and want to be able to participate in ops. Those of us that have been playing since launch. Those of use that through change of life cannot dedicate the time to mine/mission/rat/etc like we used to. Yeah yeah ... "get a frig" i hear you say "buy my replacement 40mil sp clones" I say to you! People: Stop assuming us GTC sellers are all greedy bastards, we are not. We don't all own motherships. We don't all fly Tech 2 fitted stuff (yes im skilled enough to). Darwin 4tw
Nymos Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:24:00 - [396] i didn't read through 14 pages, but thank you for getting rid of isk buying via GTCs. - if i understood that right. -- Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:29:00 - [397] Edited by: Earthan on 06/05/2007 19:26:19 Originally by: Monty Burns Wrong. a 3rd group. Those of us who buy occasionaly to allow us to play but dont have the time in rl to dedicate any major commitment. Those of us that have maybe 2 or 3 hours a week. Those of us who love the pvp and want to be able to participate in ops. Those of us that have been playing since launch. Those of use that through change of life cannot dedicate the time to mine/mission/rat/etc like we used to. Yeah yeah ... "get a frig" i hear you say "buy my replacement 40mil sp clones" I say to you! People: Stop assuming us GTC sellers are all greedy bastards, we are not. We don't all own motherships. We don't all fly Tech 2 fitted stuff (yes im skilled enough to). no mate i disagree.Mixing rl moneny to buy ingame stuff is just plain wrong. Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. This is a game.Its a separate universe where rl money must stop giving you advantage( as much as its possible). If you can play that little you still can make enough isk to pvp in cruisers.But i want you to earn that isk not buy it.Cause i also got little time for Eve and i do all kind of smart risky stuff to earn isk ingame faster and when i risk my hard ingame earned bs and fight i want to face somebody who also had to earn it ingame, not some guy who is just rich and bought from ebay officer stuff and will pwn me, despite he is so much "worse" in term of this game. On side note a 51 milions sp clone costs nowadays i think 7 milions.You earn that in 30 minutes in 0.0 . In game must rule only game rules.RL rules must stop.
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:33:00 - [398] Originally by: Earthan Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. Yes it's exactly like that. rl analogies ftl. Even buying isk is bad, this change is going to change nothing. It'll just drive it underground, the people who want to buy isk will find a way.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:34:00 - [399] Edited by: Earthan on 06/05/2007 19:32:12 Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Earthan Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. Yes it's exactly like that. rl analogies ftl. Its nice you mock my post but arguments would help.
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:39:00 - [400] Originally by: Earthan Edited by: Earthan on 06/05/2007 19:32:12 Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Earthan Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. Yes it's exactly like that. rl analogies ftl. Its nice you mock my post but arguments would help. Read harder. You editing the rest of my post out of your quote doesn't erase my post.
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:39:00 - [401] NO NO NO. Why do people perpetuate this retarded myth that it makes ANY difference WHERE people got their ISK. It doesn't. They have it however they have it and you don't. RMT matters to CCP because it means they aren't getting paid for their intellectual property, it DOESN'T matter to John Q Player, because some schmoe has more money ANYWAY, by a circumstance outside your control. I'll say it again for the retards in the cheap seats, to think that being able to afford GTC's to fund their in-game pursuits is ANY different than being lucky enough to have the TIME to put into making that money "legit" is a complete FALLACY. In fact is actually MORE likely that a person with excess TIME has a bigger advantage than anyone buying ISK with GTCs, because MOST people won't drop $20k, yet some guy who gets lucky with a t2 Vaga BPO sells it for that much in-game currency, or mines/rats it up because they have nothing better to do with their lives.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:41:00 - [402] Originally by: Marquis Dean Read harder. You editing the rest of my post out of your quote doesn't erase my post. The rest of your post has no arguments as to why this analogy is rubbish in your eyes.
BubbaZanetti	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:44:00 - [403] Originally by: Earthan no mate i disagree.Mixing rl moneny to buy ingame stuff is just plain wrong. And so is mixing in real life time. Which is why we're all only going to be allowed to play for an hour a week from now on. Because it's important that real life circumstances don't impact the game world at all. Originally by: Earthan Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. Your analogy is broken. It's the same game. I fly the same ships and my skills fly at the same rate. Your analogy is so broken I can't even fix it to indicate how it could be apt. Originally by: Earthan This is a game.Its a separate universe where rl money must stop giving you advantage( as much as its possible). Sure. And so must real life spare time. We're all equals here, right? I can play for an hour a week. What are you going to do with your hour per work from now on? Originally by: Earthan If you can play that little you still can make enough isk to pvp in cruisers.But i want you to earn that isk not buy it.Cause i also got little time for Eve and i do all kind of smart risky stuff to earn isk ingame faster and when i risk my hard ingame earned bs and fight i want to face somebody who also had to earn it ingame, not some guy who is just rich and bought from ebay officer stuff and will pwn me, despite he is so much "worse" in term of this game. Good. I'm glag you're going to be ok with only playing an hour a week from now on. Originally by: Earthan On side note a 51 milions sp clone costs nowadays i think 7 milions.You earn that in 30 minutes in 0.0 . Wow, man, that's gonna be half your play time for the week. Hope you don't get pod killed much. Originally by: Earthan In game must rule only game rules.RL rules must stop. Yep. Agree completely. Hope there's no one out there that only plays fifteen minutes a week, or we're all screwed.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:46:00 - [404] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI NO NO NO. Why do people perpetuate this retarded myth that it makes ANY difference WHERE people got their ISK. It doesn't. They have it however they have it and you don't. RMT matters to CCP because it means they aren't getting paid for their intellectual property, it DOESN'T matter to John Q Player, because some schmoe has more money ANYWAY, by a circumstance outside your control. I'll say it again for the retards in the cheap seats, to think that being able to afford GTC's to fund their in-game pursuits is ANY different than being lucky enough to have the TIME to put into making that money "legit" is a complete FALLACY. In fact is actually MORE likely that a person with excess TIME has a bigger advantage than anyone buying ISK with GTCs, because MOST people won't drop $20k, yet some guy who gets lucky with a t2 Vaga BPO sells it for that much in-game currency, or mines/rats it up because they have nothing better to do with their lives. Mate your post is so wrong on so many levels. First if you think buying isk with rl money is great why do we bother with this game? lets just compare our rl wallets and who can spare mroe wins a fight.great fun. The last bit "because they have nothing better to do with their lives." is weird.I mean you are in game yes? you do it for fun? and you insult poeple who play more then you. I you think this game is rubbish and rl is so much better go and work 14h/day , earn alot of rl cash and be happy.Dont waste your time here lol.
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:46:00 - [405] Originally by: BubbaZanetti Originally by: Earthan Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. Your analogy is broken. It's the same game. I fly the same ships and my skills fly at the same rate. Your analogy is so broken I can't even fix it to indicate how it could be apt. There we go.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:52:00 - [406] Originally by: BubbaZanetti Originally by: Earthan no mate i disagree.Mixing rl moneny to buy ingame stuff is just plain wrong. And so is mixing in real life time. Which is why we're all only going to be allowed to play for an hour a week from now on. Because it's important that real life circumstances don't impact the game world at all. Originally by: Earthan Its exactly like if in sport drugs would be allowed and ehancements.And the one using them would say hey i got no time to train, but i got money so its fair. Your analogy is broken. It's the same game. I fly the same ships and my skills fly at the same rate. Your analogy is so broken I can't even fix it to indicate how it could be apt. Originally by: Earthan This is a game.Its a separate universe where rl money must stop giving you advantage( as much as its possible). Sure. And so must real life spare time. We're all equals here, right? I can play for an hour a week. What are you going to do with your hour per work from now on? Originally by: Earthan If you can play that little you still can make enough isk to pvp in cruisers.But i want you to earn that isk not buy it.Cause i also got little time for Eve and i do all kind of smart risky stuff to earn isk ingame faster and when i risk my hard ingame earned bs and fight i want to face somebody who also had to earn it ingame, not some guy who is just rich and bought from ebay officer stuff and will pwn me, despite he is so much "worse" in term of this game. Good. I'm glag you're going to be ok with only playing an hour a week from now on. Originally by: Earthan On side note a 51 milions sp clone costs nowadays i think 7 milions.You earn that in 30 minutes in 0.0 . Wow, man, that's gonna be half your play time for the week. Hope you don't get pod killed much. Originally by: Earthan In game must rule only game rules.RL rules must stop. Yep. Agree completely. Hope there's no one out there that only plays fifteen minutes a week, or we're all screwed. No bubba if you buy isk with rl money its not the same game.Cause you get advantage from outside game. Nobody had said that everybody has to play same time. Its what my analogy was pointing at.IF you got to a tennis tournament , those that could train more will have advantage because thats what it is about,its about tennis.Not what you do outside tennis.Your tons of money wont help you ( at least not taht much in amatuer tournaments, the stuff to play doesnt matter so much at certain level).And i dont think anybody would be happy if rules changed and you could buy a 1 game set for 20 $.
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:58:00 - [407] Originally by: Earthan Mate your post is so wrong on so many levels. First if you think buying isk with rl money is great why do we bother with this game? lets just compare our rl wallets and who can spare mroe wins a fight.great fun. The last bit "because they have nothing better to do with their lives." is weird.I mean you are in game yes? you do it for fun? and you insult poeple who play more then you. I you think this game is rubbish and rl is so much better go and work 14h/day , earn alot of rl cash and be happy.Dont waste your time here lol. Way to read way too damned much into a post, I'd flame you for it but I've been warned. I'm actually one of those people who's got endless amounts of time, and basically have nothing better to do with it. I've never bought a GTC to sell for ISK, and probably never will. It doesn't matter though because theres always going to be someone out there with more time/luck than I do, who's going to be richer. Same goes for anyone who can afford to spend A LOT of money on GTC's for ISK. Theres no difference between the two as far as I'm concerned because they both have more ISK, end of story. How they got it is of no concern to me. News flash sparky, there are people who through entirely ingame means have a big enough wallet to NEVER work for ISK EVER again and still have enough money around to fly fully factioned ships from now until the servers close down, they're going to win the ISK war against anyone but someone with way more disposable income than is likely to waste on the game. Besides ISK can only take you so far. I knew a guy in another MMO who used to brag about the fact that he spent more money on game currency than people spent on college, he got made fun of endlessly for sucking at the game, not for his RMT habits. Oh and as to your last point, I play this game for the things that excite me, like PVP, or marginally VERY marginally to come across a faction spawn and get some cool loot, its like playing the lotto. I don't play this game to grind money, CCP makes it a part of the game to make themselves money, its a game mechanism to keep us playing and paying, GTC > ISK transactions still fulfill that part of the bargain, somebodies still paying for that time to CCP. But I doubt anyone arguing against GTC > ISK will have the wit to actually comprehend that statement.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:05:00 - [408] Edited by: Earthan on 06/05/2007 20:03:29 Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Oh and as to your last point, I play this game for the things that excite me, like PVP, or marginally VERY marginally to come across a faction spawn and get some cool loot, its like playing the lotto. I don't play this game to grind money, CCP makes it a part of the game to make themselves money, its a game mechanism to keep us playing and paying, GTC > ISK transactions still fulfill that part of the bargain, somebodies still paying for that time to CCP. But I doubt anyone arguing against GTC > ISK will have the wit to actually comprehend that statement. No actually its abit deeper, you dont understand.Its human psychology. Its about working for somethign and then living the thrill of combat.You must work for your ship to then apreciate it and feel the thrill of combat. I dont know actually how poeple who buy with rl money Eve stuff actually have fun.I suspect most of them play a few months and leave. And its not some theory i was in Eve beta and i was on last day when they have given everybodu enough isk to buy anything and play with it.For me it wasnt that fun. If its all about pvping with best stuff why CCP dont give everybody free modules and let everybody endleslly fight it out?Because Eve would be dead in 1 week.It wouldnt be fun
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:09:00 - [409] Hurray for you, and way to miss the point. Just because you don't like the game if you don't have to grind for it doesn't mean the rest of us are brain-damaged as well. Besides, its likely to hurt more for someone who GTC'ed their ISK because thats REAL ******* MONEY they're losing, not time spent staring blankly at a computer screen watching a rock or some worthless NPC ship thats so easy its routine inside a week.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:17:00 - [410] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hurray for you, and way to miss the point. Just because you don't like the game if you don't have to grind for it doesn't mean the rest of us are brain-damaged as well. Besides, its likely to hurt more for someone who GTC'ed their ISK because thats REAL ******* MONEY they're losing, not time spent staring blankly at a computer screen watching a rock or some worthless NPC ship thats so easy its routine inside a week. I repeat so follwoing your way of thiking CCP should just scrap all the prices so everybody can use any module /ship, and it would be perfect, with no grinding?then everybody can fight non stop. Or make an offical market for items say: bs - 10 $ titan - 100 $ hac 12 $ At least it would be clear That would hell of fun.
Zanarkand Gallente Outer Heaven DARPA	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:18:00 - [411] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Just because you don't like the game if you don't have to grind for it doesn't mean the rest of us are brain-damaged as well. Isn't that sort of the point of RPG? You know, train your SP, train your skills, earn isk and spend it wisely... Grinding is part of RPGs and what make the game fun. I am not saying that I am playing the game to shoot rats in 0.0/run missions, but I do understand that it is a part of game and like it as it is. CS is always good for those who can only play 1h/week. Oh, if you are really annoyed by the "play another game" then you may always do pvp on SiSi.
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:22:00 - [412] Edited by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI on 06/05/2007 20:20:16 Way to be a complete and contradictory idiot. The way things are now allows the LARGEST majority of the game to enjoy it the way they want to. People with extra cash and no time get to play, people with no cash and extra time get to play, its a win/win situations for the whole group, except for morons who whine about the "unfairness of it all" and the "Evils and immorality" of buying ISK with GTC's. Of course the fact that such people basically have a persecution complex and need something to whine about to make themselves morally superior is disgusting and frankly THEY should be the ones who "quit if you don't like it." Edit: Zanarkand you're completely off your rocker if you think that MMO's are designed so that the grind is part of the fun. Its a TOOL to make the game company keep your business longer, nothing more.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:26:00 - [413] Originally by: Zanarkand Edited by: Zanarkand on 06/05/2007 20:17:24 Edited by: Zanarkand on 06/05/2007 20:15:54 Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Just because you don't like the game if you don't have to grind for it doesn't mean the rest of us are brain-damaged as well. Isn't that sort of the point of RPG? You know, train your SP, train your skills, earn isk and spend it wisely... Grinding is part of RPGs and what make a RPG different from other type of games. I am not saying that I am playing the game to shoot rats in 0.0/run missions, but I do understand that it is a part of game and like it as it is. CS is always good for those who can only play 1h/week. Oh, if you are really annoyed by the "play another game" then you may always do pvp on SiSi. and, yes, the 1000$ for titan official market from CCP would make this game very good, would allow players to skip the all boring, useless, worthless part of game good points
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:31:00 - [414] Edited by: Earthan on 06/05/2007 20:31:02 Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Edited by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI on 06/05/2007 20:20:16 Way to be a complete and contradictory idiot. The way things are now allows the LARGEST majority of the game to enjoy it the way they want to. People with extra cash and no time get to play, people with no cash and extra time get to play, its a win/win situations for the whole group, except for morons who whine about the "unfairness of it all" and the "Evils and immorality" of buying ISK with GTC's. Of course the fact that such people basically have a persecution complex and need something to whine about to make themselves morally superior is disgusting and frankly THEY should be the ones who "quit if you don't like it." Edit: Zanarkand you're completely off your rocker if you think that MMO's are designed so that the grind is part of the fun. Its a TOOL to make the game company keep your business longer, nothing more. I think you got some real problems after reading your posts...And you got a really high esteem of yourself while eveybody else is idiot.You dont even read other posts to understand what other poeple say but just to prove them wrong. And plz call me idiot again but i dont want to go out and fight in my hard earned for 4 hours dominix some rich boys who ahve just bought it in 1 minute. Its a 1-1 perspective. Now imagine 60 % of an alliance buy ships with isk bought for rl money.The other alliance dont have such means.They fight and ofc first rich rl alliance comes on top. Great eh?I repeat ingame should only function ingame laws, no rl money advantage as much as its possible.
Etien Aldragoran	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:35:00 - [415] Edited by: Etien Aldragoran on 06/05/2007 20:32:47 .
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:37:00 - [416] Your logic fails, because in-game laws as you call them aren't fair anyway. You don't take turns or anything like that to keep it even, in your example, alliance A) plays 1 hour per player a week more than alliance B) they fight, alliance A wins because they had more time to grind. Same inequity, you're just to ******* stubborn to see it. Hell lets make it more abstract, alliance A lives in a better area of the game, so they get 10% more money per hour of grinding than alliance B. They meet in combat and alliance B still loses, because of the money disadvantage. You going to cry that all areas of the game should be completely equal, thereby reducing all territorial ambitions to worthlessness? Way to try to kill the game because you don't like a certain aspect of it.
Riddick Valer	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:40:00 - [417] How much of an advantage does buying isk really give someone? Yes, they can fly the best stuff, but do they have the skill to use it? There is a big difference between someone who spent hundreds of hours of PvE and PvP to get the money for a ship, and someone who gets in 3 weeks training and some $. I know who I'd bet on in the fight. Plus, people who play limited in-game hours, and buy isk, are less likely to be part of a larger corp. These are the types of people that aren't as likely to socialize and form the friendships that make eve more fun and easier. Face the fact that you won't stop them from buying isk, and try to come up with ways to control it that won't support the isk farmers that ramp up inflation.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:40:00 - [418] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Your logic fails, because in-game laws as you call them aren't fair anyway. You don't take turns or anything like that to keep it even, in your example, alliance A) plays 1 hour per player a week more than alliance B) they fight, alliance A wins because they had more time to grind. Same inequity, you're just to ******* stubborn to see it. Hell lets make it more abstract, alliance A lives in a better area of the game, so they get 10% more money per hour of grinding than alliance B. They meet in combat and alliance B still loses, because of the money disadvantage. You going to cry that all areas of the game should be completely equal, thereby reducing all territorial ambitions to worthlessness? Way to try to kill the game because you don't like a certain aspect of it. No you still dont understand my point of view. I dont want Eve to be equal i never said that , you just assumed it.Eve is unfair and will be.I cant play more then 5 sometimes 10 hours aweek so i know i will be somwhere in the middle foodchain.Im fine with it. Unfairness is okay as long as its ingame.I dont want outside of game advantages.As said ingame ingame laws.No matter if fair or not.
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:43:00 - [419] Oh so its fine as long as the unfairness helps you but not the other guy. Hypocrit. You have more time/tolerance for the pain of the grind than someone else so you get all the advantages while they're supposed to slug through, or not play at all, because you want all the advantages. What a crock.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:45:00 - [420] Edited by: Earthan on 06/05/2007 20:44:55 Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Oh so its fine as long as the unfairness helps you but not the other guy. Hypocrit. You have more time/tolerance for the pain of the grind than someone else so you get all the advantages while they're supposed to slug through, or not play at all, because you want all the advantages. What a crock. you dont read my posts eh?i said i got 5 to 10 hours aweek eve time so i hardly get much advantages lol.I actually am not so poor and i could buy isk if i wanted.But i never did and never will do it cause its so so wrong. You just cant grasp the idea of signing up for a sport and playing by the rules not cheating.

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