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Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:09:00 - [31] good to see something is finally being done
Space Pirate	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:09:00 - [32] I'm sorry but I don't see how this is anything but an absolutely horrible idea. It won't stop isk for cash resellers at all, and it cuts into CCP's revenue if I'm understanding it correctly (that CCP will start selling game time themselves for isk). If the concern is the costs of support staff to deal with the fraud reports and whatnot, I can't imagine the extra time and staffing costing more than potential loss of revenue in timecards by giving them away for in-game money. Otherwise all I can tell is that CCP is spending too much time listening to junior high students who don't even know what the word "macroeconomics" means and play 16 hours a day and whine about how people aren't playing "purely" if they don't spend their entire life playing internet spaceships. It's good for EvE to appeal to both the hardcore and the casual player, and it does a good job of that. Allowing people to buy a bit of isk by buying game time for others is an ingenious system that feeds off of two playing styles at once, and does nothing to the so-called "purity" of the game. There's a saying that goes if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There are a lot of things in EvE that deserve the attention and manpower, and breaking and convoluting one of the golden gooses of the current design is a terrible mismanagement of resources.
Mox Trident Minmatar Erimus Blueprints	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:10:00 - [33] Quote: In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK This is the part that some people have missed. The way I read it is that you will no longer be able to buy GTC's from third parties like shatteredcrystal.com or ebay. From now on you'll buy your GTC directly from CCP through account management. This is how I think it will work: Player A will purchase a GTC for RL cash from CCP. Player A will be given an option to either use the GTC himself or sell it to player B for ISK. When player B buys a GTC from a seller, the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from re-selling the GTC out of game for RL cash. This way CCP get the RL cash, all transactions are through account management, and third party middlemen are removed from the equation altogether. Capital Ship BPC packages now available from Erimus Blueprints
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:11:00 - [34] Originally by: The Slayette ...CCP are going to start selling timecards for ISK... LOOOOOL Yes, that is exactly how I understand it also after reading Kierons statement several times slowly and carefully. That makes absolutely no sense. I wonder what their bookkeeping office will say about that
Kramer Verone Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Kramer Verone on 04/05/2007 23:07:09 Originally by: Briana Flametop Repost from last thread: Somewhere, the Overlord of Macrominers is rubbing his hands together with glee. Why? Well... CCP charges $15 or (random made-up figure) 250mil ISK for a timecard? Fine. The ISK-farmers will charge $15 for 275mil isk. Players buy from them and then use the isk for buying a timecard as it is (effectively) cheaper than buying direct from CCP as they're paying the same amount of RL cash but get some extra isk on top. Everybody wins...except CCP and non-macrominers. macroing is getting harder and harder it' snot going to be worth paying 275m isk for 15 U$
Easy Target Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:11:00 - [36] Originally by: The Slayette Originally by: Easy Target So as it reads the only way CCP lose is if you buy off them, as the isk goes to the big money graveyard in space and CCP dont get money from that. May have got that bit wrong. :) This is what worries me. If this is right CCP are going to lose a LOT of money. I PRAY this isnt what is happening. How much do they make from GTC sales anyway? Without all the figures, which we are never gonna get it isnt really beneficial to predict. And of them time cards sold, how many get resold? (market they are removing) The guy that mentioned something about the EULA, i didnt get the question But legally binding or not u agree to it to play the game if u break that agreement the provider has the power to stop you recieveing said service Doesnt need to be legally binding to use it as the reason for stopping someone playing the game. Standing up in court yeah, but i cant see CCP wasnting to take a macro miner to court.. :) ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be --------------------
The Slayette	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Baji Core I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here. The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP. As important as a monthly subscription?
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:12:00 - [38] Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Baji Core I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here. The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP. 10iskies says we're looking at over a billion for 30 days Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:12:00 - [39] I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:13:00 - [40] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 04/05/2007 23:11:33 My bet: It has nothing to do with the RMT angle. I think its about restricting or eliminating resale (as in, the big reseller sites or just selling of the GTCs you got for christmans because your parents didnt realize that you are fed up with cap blobs online) of GTCs via reworked licencing rules. Benefits are bigger cuts and more controll over the entire process. The only thing that can stop RMT is governments using armed forces to combat it around the world far beyond the scope of the "war on drugs". There are actually reasons to do so - MMOs are so big that they create shadow ecomomies and fiscal systems outside the reach of the conventional instruments to controll them.

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:13:00 - [41] Originally by: PDoggy I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this. This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:14:00 - [42] Edited by: ToxicFire on 04/05/2007 23:13:25 Originally by: Mox Trident Quote: In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK This is the part that some people have missed. The way I read it is that you will no longer be able to buy GTC's from third parties like shatteredcrystal.com or ebay. From now on you'll buy your GTC directly from CCP through account management. This is how I think it will work: Player A will purchase a GTC for RL cash from CCP. Player A will be given an option to either use the GTC himself or sell it to player B for ISK. When player B buys a GTC from a seller, the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from re-selling the GTC out of game for RL cash. This way CCP get the RL cash, all transactions are through account management, and third party middlemen are removed from the equation altogether. Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent From kierons post In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing See here kieron is saying what is been replaced the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK. In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCPSee this is where kieron has said what will replace it note the part that says isk rich players will be able to purchase direct from ccp. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Roscoe Rhoads Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:15:00 - [43] Worst ******* idea ever. Hope it bites you in the ass, hard. Then again with BoD, Kugutsumen blanket bannnings, Titans this is starting to look like SWG, which is still swinging... so enjoy, I guess.
Space Pirate	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:16:00 - [44] Oh and if the real issue is to cut out the commission check for certain large alliances, that's also a stupid move. Setting up the out-of-game infrastructure to allow such an alliance to communicate effectively is very expensive, and the money from those commissions go to efforts that among other things, allow said alliances to bring in new subscribers. Once again, don't kill the golden goose, CCP.
Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Baji Core I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here. The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP. Deflation will become a lower priority the second that their subscription income drops below their targets. ;) Let's use hyperbole - what happens to CCP if 90% of the playerbase starts paying subs with ISK? Do you seriously think that they'll be happy to keep the game running on 1/10th their previous income? Nope. Next up, a few months down the line, is the removal of ISK->timecards. It's the only logical assumption to make.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:17:00 - [46] i believe this will stop people from buying isk from other people by money because if you got extra isk you can work it out with ccp and if you got extra cash you wont be able to buy isk is my understanding correct? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jigglepantaloons	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Baji Core I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here. The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP. NO gaming company would give up cash revenue for an in-game currency. From a strict business perspective that's absolutely idiotic, especially with so many more options to remove isk from the market avaliable.
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: PDoggy I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this. This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space. Why oh WHY would you say this? I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:19:00 - [49] This is going to turn eve into meta gaming for big alliances. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:19:00 - [50] Originally by: ToxicFire Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent You're commenting on grammar? It sounds like a good step. I'm concerned like people above are, regarding what that means for CCP. Surely -they- know what they're doing, right? I think the GTC's from ccp would have to be pretty expensive to justify playing for free... Otherwise I think we (or at least I) am still confused. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

clone 1 Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:19:00 - [51] Bree is one powerful substance Always Moaning About Race Retardations
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:19:00 - [52] Originally by: The Slayette Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Baji Core I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here. The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP. As important as a monthly subscription? Not everyone will be able to afford the time codes, and those that may want to keep their ISK might rather pay with $$$$
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Frug Originally by: ToxicFire Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent You're commenting on grammar? It sounds like a good step. I'm concerned like people above are, regarding what that means for CCP. Surely -they- know what they're doing, right? I think the GTC's from ccp would have to be pretty expensive to justify playing for free... Otherwise I think we (or at least I) am still confused. Yup i know my spelling and some of the grammar is all over the place but you did kinda take the line out of the context of the paragraph it was in changing its meaning. CCP knows what its doing I just don't think the accountants do yet. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:23:00 - [54] Originally by: The Slayette Originally by: Easy Target So as it reads the only way CCP lose is if you buy off them, as the isk goes to the big money graveyard in space and CCP dont get money from that. May have got that bit wrong. :) This is what worries me. If this is right CCP are going to lose a LOT of money. I PRAY this isnt what is happening. Only if CCP doesn't start to offer isk for $$ themselves as a 'service'. So a certain amount of isk that they took out of the game in exchange for gametime could flow back into the game being sold for cash to the ones, who want to buy isk. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Hannisk Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:24:00 - [55] Thanks CCP for fixing this huge issue that was causing massive damage to the game and ruining it for players everywhere. I'm also happy you got your priorities straight and fixed it before less important issues like: a) lag. Fleet fights being unplayable. b) fleet system causing lag. c) supercapitals. None of the above are important issues that need fixing, no not at all. Somtimes I really hate you CCP.
Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Craam Hustler Not everyone will be able to afford the time codes, and those that may want to keep their ISK might rather pay with $$$$ They might just quit. Or buy ISK from the black market. Neither of these is good for the game, or for CCP.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:26:00 - [57] Maybe it's just because I'm really tired, but I'm totally lost here. Quote: In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. So a financially challenged person will be able to buy GTC's directly from CCP, but trading GTC's for ISK will no longer be allowed? What am I missing here?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:28:00 - [58] Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: PDoggy I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this. This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space. Why oh WHY would you say this? I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment. You don't have to mine. Having to buy your stuffs with RL money because you fail at Eve means, well, you fail at Eve. There is a reason the good stuff has to be earned. Don't circumvent the game's design. FFS. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:28:00 - [59] Originally by: Hannisk Thanks CCP for fixing this huge issue that was causing massive damage to the game and ruining it for players everywhere. I'm also happy you got your priorities straight and fixed it before less important issues like: a) lag. Fleet fights being unplayable. b) fleet system causing lag. c) supercapitals. None of the above are important issues that need fixing, no not at all. Somtimes I really hate you CCP. Yeah, getting (for example) your POS you've worked hard to earn blown up by some kid who used daddy's credit card to buy a Dread isn't an issue at all.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Xelios Maybe it's just because I'm really tired, but I'm totally lost here. Quote: In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. So a financially challenged person will be able to buy GTC's directly from CCP, but trading GTC's for ISK will no longer be allowed? What am I missing here? Nothing your reading it as everyone else is Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango



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