Originally by: M Counts

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would you mind explaining why, exactly, elimination of the "middleman" (and further complication of the already byzantine and horribly slow account management page) is, as you said it, "for the good of the community?"

loaded question but I still get my point across, i still have not seen any concise logic as to why this is for the "good of the community," especially seeing as the last change to gtc mechanics caused only inconvenience, at least from my, a non-seller's perspective

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Well, at least we have forum PvP..

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Originally by: Del Narveux

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Wait...so buying GTC from sellers, or selling themself, is bad, but getting them from CCP is okay? And is this going to affect those big third party resellers that currently do most of the sales? Im a bit confuzzled, though Ive never been a big fan of getting cash for game money or vice versa so it doesnt really affect me.

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Originally by: Del Narveux

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Wait...so buying GTC from sellers, or selling themself, is bad, but getting them from CCP is okay? And is this going to affect those big third party resellers that currently do most of the sales? Im a bit confuzzled, though Ive never been a big fan of getting cash for game money or vice versa so it doesnt really affect me.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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The recent MotD mentioning the sale or purchase of ISK for real money generated some questions about how Game Time can be traded for ISK, Game Time that was purchased with real world cash. In some of my replies, I was unclear. This wasn't by intention, but because of the information I am authorized to release at this time.

In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK. In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.

We still have a number of details to work out, as well as implementation and integration, but that will hopefully clear up some of the confusion created earlier.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Well, at least we have forum PvP..

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Originally by: Briana Flametop

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Repost from last thread:
Somewhere, the Overlord of Macrominers is rubbing his hands together with glee. Why? Well...

CCP charges $15 or (random made-up figure) 250mil ISK for a timecard?
Fine.
The ISK-farmers will charge $15 for 275mil isk.
Players buy from them and then use the isk for buying a timecard as it is (effectively) cheaper than buying direct from CCP as they're paying the same amount of RL cash but get some extra isk on top.

Everybody wins...except CCP and non-macrominers.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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but that will hopefully clear up some of the confusion created earlier.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Except GTC for ISK won't be supported, so if you get scammed CCP won't do anything.

They'll possibly even ban offenders (buyer and seller) under the usual ebaying for ISK rules..?

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Originally by: Briana Flametop

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Repost from last thread:
Somewhere, the Overlord of Macrominers is rubbing his hands together with glee. Why? Well...

CCP charges $15 or (random made-up figure) 250mil ISK for a timecard?
Fine.
The ISK-farmers will charge $15 for 275mil isk.
Players buy from them and then use the isk for buying a timecard as it is (effectively) cheaper than buying direct from CCP as they're paying the same amount of RL cash but get some extra isk on top.

Everybody wins...except CCP and non-macrominers.

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Originally by: Athena Attom

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its an unfair advantage that some people use to fund their entire accounts ship losses etc and also certain alliances :)

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Originally by: Nerogk Shorn

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No gaming company will ever be able to completely get rid of people buying isk with real cash, but at least CCP will no longer make it easy and legal for them to do so. Not allowing people to buy isk with money in any fashion, and even though it will still happen, those people will have to risk getting into trouble. If I am understanding this correctly, I think this is definitely a step in the right direction.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Edited by: Nero Scuro on 04/05/2007 23:01:20

Originally by: Nerogk Shorn

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No gaming company will ever be able to completely get rid of people buying isk with real cash, but at least CCP will no longer make it easy and legal for them to do so. Not allowing people to buy isk with money in any fashion, and even though it will still happen, those people will have to risk getting into trouble. If I am understanding this correctly, I think this is definitely a step in the right direction.

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Beat me to it.

But for clarity;

CCP will never get rid of macrominers. So I suppose they should stop banning them?

CCP will never get rid of abusive or inappropriate behaviour from 12 year olds ingame, so they should stop caring too?

CCP will never get rid of every bug, so why bother fixing the current ones?

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Originally by: Easy Target

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So as it reads the only way CCP lose is if you buy off them, as the isk goes to the big money graveyard in space and CCP dont get money from that.

May have got that bit wrong. :)

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Originally by: Baji Core

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I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here.

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Quote:

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In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK

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Originally by: The Slayette

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...CCP are going to start selling timecards for ISK...

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Originally by: Briana Flametop

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Repost from last thread:
Somewhere, the Overlord of Macrominers is rubbing his hands together with glee. Why? Well...

CCP charges $15 or (random made-up figure) 250mil ISK for a timecard?
Fine.
The ISK-farmers will charge $15 for 275mil isk.
Players buy from them and then use the isk for buying a timecard as it is (effectively) cheaper than buying direct from CCP as they're paying the same amount of RL cash but get some extra isk on top.

Everybody wins...except CCP and non-macrominers.

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Originally by: The Slayette

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Originally by: Easy Target

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So as it reads the only way CCP lose is if you buy off them, as the isk goes to the big money graveyard in space and CCP dont get money from that.

May have got that bit wrong. :)

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This is what worries me. If this is right CCP are going to lose a LOT of money. I PRAY this isnt what is happening.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Originally by: Baji Core

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I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here.

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The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Originally by: Baji Core

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I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here.

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The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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Originally by: Mox Trident

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Quote:

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In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK

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This is the part that some people have missed.

The way I read it is that you will no longer be able to buy GTC's from third parties like shatteredcrystal.com or ebay.

From now on you'll buy your GTC directly from CCP through account management.

This is how I think it will work:


Player A will purchase a GTC for RL cash from CCP.

Player A will be given an option to either use the GTC himself or sell it to player B for ISK.

When player B buys a GTC from a seller, the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from re-selling the GTC out of game for RL cash.


This way CCP get the RL cash, all transactions are through account management, and third party middlemen are removed from the equation altogether.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Originally by: Baji Core

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I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here.

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The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Originally by: Baji Core

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I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here.

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The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space.

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Originally by: ToxicFire

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Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent

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Originally by: The Slayette

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Originally by: Baji Core

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I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here.

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The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP.

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As important as a monthly subscription?

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: ToxicFire

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Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent

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You're commenting on grammar?

It sounds like a good step. I'm concerned like people above are, regarding what that means for CCP. Surely -they- know what they're doing, right? I think the GTC's from ccp would have to be pretty expensive to justify playing for free...

Otherwise I think we (or at least I) am still confused.

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Originally by: The Slayette

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Originally by: Easy Target

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So as it reads the only way CCP lose is if you buy off them, as the isk goes to the big money graveyard in space and CCP dont get money from that.

May have got that bit wrong. :)

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This is what worries me. If this is right CCP are going to lose a LOT of money. I PRAY this isnt what is happening.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Not everyone will be able to afford the time codes, and those that may want to keep their ISK might rather pay with $$$$

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Quote:

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In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space.

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Why oh WHY would you say this?

I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment.

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Originally by: Hannisk

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Thanks CCP for fixing this huge issue that was causing massive damage to the game and ruining it for players everywhere.

I'm also happy you got your priorities straight and fixed it before less important issues like:

a) lag. Fleet fights being unplayable.
b) fleet system causing lag.
c) supercapitals.

None of the above are important issues that need fixing, no not at all.

Somtimes I really hate you CCP.

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Originally by: Xelios

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Maybe it's just because I'm really tired, but I'm totally lost here.

Quote:

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In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.

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So a financially challenged person will be able to *buy* GTC's directly from CCP, but trading GTC's for ISK will no longer be allowed? What am I missing here?

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Originally by: Hannisk

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Thanks CCP for fixing this huge issue that was causing massive damage to the game and ruining it for players everywhere.

I'm also happy you got your priorities straight and fixed it before less important issues like:

a) lag. Fleet fights being unplayable.
b) fleet system causing lag.
c) supercapitals.

None of the above are important issues that need fixing, no not at all.

Somtimes I really hate you CCP.

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Originally by: Briana Flametop

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Not everyone will be able to afford the time codes, and those that may want to keep their ISK might rather pay with $$$$

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They might just quit. Or buy ISK from the black market.
Neither of these is good for the game, or for CCP.

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Originally by: Ionia

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If this change is what I think it is, FANTASTIC!

I have had concerns about players that have been doing this, and even asked questions by petition recently that confirmed that it was not a EULA violation.

What people have been doing is buying GTCs with ISK then selling the GTCs on ebay for cash.

Doing it that way is NOT a violation of the eula.

I think what they are proposing is to get rid of the actual code itself, so that people can buy game time credit through the CCP web site and sell it for isk, but people cant buy codes and sell them on ebay for isk.

I think they will handle 3rd party sales by either a referral program or a simple API so that reselling companies wont be affected.

This plan is a great one, why? Ill give you an example..

There is one person in particular who does not actually play eve, they spend their whole day reselling GTCs, which makes them a fortune, 20-50m profit per GTC, and moving about 100 per day, these numbers are from the person's own info. Recently they started 50 new accounts, yes, 50, which they plan to train up, sell, buy GTCs with that ISK, and sell it on ebay. They mentioned in Jita local a few weeks ago that they forcast a net profit of $15,000 from this.

That kind of thing is disgusting to me, so any change to make it harder is fantastic.

The system CCP mentions could eliminate the problem competely if they make the system such that a GTC credit can only be sold for isk ONCE through the system, this would eliminate any way to buy them with ISK and resell them for cash.

Overall, a good step by CCP.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Originally by: Hannisk

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Thanks CCP for fixing this huge issue that was causing massive damage to the game and ruining it for players everywhere.

I'm also happy you got your priorities straight and fixed it before less important issues like:

a) lag. Fleet fights being unplayable.
b) fleet system causing lag.
c) supercapitals.

None of the above are important issues that need fixing, no not at all.

Somtimes I really hate you CCP.

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Yeah, getting (for example) your POS you've worked hard to earn blown up by some kid who used daddy's credit card to buy a Dread isn't an issue at all.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space.

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Why oh WHY would you say this?

I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment.

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You don't have to mine. Having to buy your stuffs with RL money because you fail at Eve means, well, you fail at Eve.

There is a reason the good stuff has to be earned. Don't circumvent the game's design. FFS.

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Originally by: Ionia

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words

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Originally by: Roscoe Rhoads

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*snip*- don't troll

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space.

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Why oh WHY would you say this?

I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment.

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You don't have to mine. Having to buy your stuffs with RL money because you fail at Eve means, well, you fail at Eve.

There is a reason the good stuff has to be earned. Don't circumvent the game's design. FFS.

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space.

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Why oh WHY would you say this?

I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment.

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You don't have to mine. Having to buy your stuffs with RL money because you fail at Eve means, well, you fail at Eve.

There is a reason the good stuff has to be earned. Don't circumvent the game's design. FFS.

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You are quite the moron. Not everybody is going to be able to make their money in-game without having to grind for it, not even all the people who don't want to grind their ISK are going to be able to because economy doesn't work that way. Unless you think the guy down at the corner gas station really wants to be working that job for $5.50 an hour.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP.
Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Ionia

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words

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Don't believe everything you hear in Jita local.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Originally by: Hannisk

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Thanks CCP for fixing this huge issue that was causing massive damage to the game and ruining it for players everywhere.

I'm also happy you got your priorities straight and fixed it before less important issues like:

a) lag. Fleet fights being unplayable.
b) fleet system causing lag.
c) supercapitals.

None of the above are important issues that need fixing, no not at all.

Somtimes I really hate you CCP.

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Yeah, getting (for example) your POS you've worked hard to earn blown up by some kid who used daddy's credit card to buy a Dread isn't an issue at all.

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If I may say, using that argument, that kid would have to drop $500+ on ISK for a dread character alone, and $200+ for his dread and fittings. He won't know how to fly it for jack **** so it will be a free $700 kill for you and your corp. And really, how many parents are there that give their kids a thousand dollars to spend on a single video game? This argument comes up very often and is fallacious due to its extreme improbability.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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It's an extreme example to prove a point. And your own point is invalid for many reasons;

1. You assume the person doesn't already have a dread capable character. I never said they didn't.

2. You assume they wouldn't know how to fly it. Again, I never said anything of the sort. Buying isk with cash != not knowing how to play the game.

3. The daddy's creditcard is a line used as insult to those who buy ISK. Chances are they are not really kiddies, chances are they're losers who take their game waaaaay too seriously, to the point they'll do anything to win, metagaming most definately included.

4. Again, it was an extreme example. If he buys a HAC and blows up my HAC I earned ingame, I'd be annoyed. He's circumnavigating my effort with his wallet. That's not on.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: PDoggy

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I VERY MUCH protest this. This was a great way for casual players to enjoy EVE without the money grind and PvP to their hearts' content and I predict you will lose a SIGNIFICANT number of accounts over this.

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This is why it is good. A major nerf to UT2K4 in space.

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Why oh WHY would you say this?

I quit WoW because it became a horrible, ****ty grindfest past level 45. I play EVE for the PvP - I enjoy it and it's a great, unique experience. I don't like having to mine for six hours to fit out a HAC. EVE has always been very attractive to casual players with the GTCs and the offline skill training, and removing this is a slap in A) The face of casual MMO-players everywhere and B) CCP's accounting deparment.

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You don't have to mine. Having to buy your stuffs with RL money because you fail at Eve means, well, you fail at Eve.

There is a reason the good stuff has to be earned. Don't circumvent the game's design. FFS.

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Sometimes people with less free time play MMOs for the community but want the game to remain FUN. Mining is not fun. You'll understand when you're out of high school/college.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Eve is not the game they are looking for.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Eve is not the game they are looking for.

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It has been for several years, and an enjoyable one.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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[stuff]
that will hopefully clear up some of the confusion created earlier.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Eve is not the game they are looking for.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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I think youre all reading way too much in this.

In practice, i read it as the current system NOT changing at all, other then that any and all GTC for isk trades will be going through the account management page, and that every buyer has to either use the gtc himself right away, or sell it to someone that uses it right away or something like that. There will be no more reselling of gtc's by players.

Buying isk indirectly would still work, but selling isk for cash wholesale by using gtc's as go-between would not.

It's like, a method to keep tabs on whose selling how many gtc's to whom for what isk. Sounds pretty logical to me, especially if they plan on taking it further at a later stage.


Oh, but it's not exactly comforting to see that CCP somehow equate this with something that increases their ability to stop the sale of isk for rl cash. For some unfathomable reason there's still absolute craploads of farming going on, while there should be alot less market for all that isk. Who is buying all that isk that doesn't go through gtc's ?

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Originally by: Montague Zooma

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It's the latest trend in the game biz. I hear Hasbro will now let you buy games with Monopoly money.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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makes sense

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Fail.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Kieron you're a really nice guy and I don't mean any offense at all by this but please run announcement posts like this by someone with a more comprehensive grasp of English grammar, these threads always devolve into 20-page circular arguments about what exactly you meant.

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Originally by: Rauth Kivaro

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I know this is a subject that many of you have strong opinions on and I'm sure everyone wants to have a chance to have their voice heard on a topic of such importance to the EVE community.

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers

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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 04/05/2007 23:50:31

Originally by: Rod Blaine

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makes sense

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You understood what kieron was saying. proof that there must be DEVS IN BOB!!!!!!

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Fail.

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Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Edited by: Craam Hustler on 04/05/2007 23:49:37

Originally by: Montague Zooma

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It's the latest trend in the game biz. I hear Hasbro will now let you buy games with Monopoly money.

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How would you feel if I play monopoly with you. After the game starts, I pay someone for a monoply board game, take that money out, and use it to buy all of the properties on the board.

Yeah thats real fair huh.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like *******s.

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Eve is not the game they are looking for.

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No, Eve as you perceive it is not the game he's looking for. You however are an idiot so its not much of a stretch to realize that you have zero clue what the hell you're talking about, and can safely be ignored on that fact.

As far as your pathetic attempt to wittily reply to my earlier attempt at educating you on realities, economy doesn't care about in-game or out of game. The fact remains that there are not enough "high-end" jobs where you don't end up grinding for your money that everyone who so wishes them can have one, thats a basic premise of having something to lose in the game. Unfortunately you're too retarded to understand that fact.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Fail.

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Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low.

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While we're inventing figures, I say it's 56.2% of EVE's population.

I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I've made my point, if you don't get it yet you never will.

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like *******s.

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Sorry not either. And I'll stop calling him an idiot when he stops being one. The fact that he thinks that theres some magical way everyone can come up with a way to get their ISK for little effort shows he's an idiot. Either that or he thinks everyone plays to grind out ISK mining or ratting because staring at an asteroid belt with crappy, easy to beat NPC's because its somehow fun and an accomplishment. This is coming from someone who does grind out their ISK, enough to pay for the game without spending real money on it.

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Originally by: ToxicFire

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This is going to turn eve into meta gaming for big alliances.

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Originally by: RightYouAre Ken

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Is English your 8th language or something, kieron, because seriously every post you make on this subject just confuses it more. Please tell us which of the following statements about the new system are false, if any:

1) Player A can buy timecards from CCP for Real Money.
2) Player B can buy timecards from Player A for ISK, (using CCP as a broker for the transaction).
3) All timecard affiliate programs will be shut down - the only valid timecard transactions will be handled directly through CCP.
4) This new system is intended to end timecard scams and put more money into CCP's wallet, (because they wouldn't be selling to affiliates at a discounted rate).

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Fail.

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Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low.

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While we're inventing figures, I say it's 56.2% of EVE's population.

I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I've made my point, if you don't get it yet you never will.

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When in doubt, claim aloofness and superiority to your opponent.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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ARGH! And stop posting 'CCP can't do this, they'll go bankrupt'. Clearly they can, or they wouldn't. They've almost certainly given it more thought that you have. And they've got access to there account books, so they'll know whether it's feasible or not.

For example - maybe if you play using ISK, you get ingame ads? That's where CCP will be getting their cash from? Kieron said he couldn't release all the details - that means there are more details yet to be disclosed (I shouldn't have to point this out, but apparently I do), we are not in possession of all the facts. CCP will no doubt not be giving out game time for free (although it's not beyond the realm of possible, I believe anarchy online is free?), wait and see what they have up their sleeve.

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Originally by: Soulita

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Nice isk sink, good for slowing inflation, and people can not buy isk for RL cash anymore.

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Originally by: Ionia

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alot of somewhat unlikely stuff...

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like *******s.

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Sorry not either. And I'll stop calling him an idiot when he stops being one. The fact that he thinks that theres some magical way everyone can come up with a way to get their ISK for little effort shows he's an idiot. Either that or he thinks everyone plays to grind out ISK mining or ratting because staring at an asteroid belt with crappy, easy to beat NPC's because its somehow fun and an accomplishment. This is coming from someone who does grind out their ISK, enough to pay for the game without spending real money on it.

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I understand that not everyone can get ISK easily.

But, as a supporter of buying ISK with RL money, you think everyone should be able to, which negates the working to earn things and impact of loss on which Eve is based.

Who is the idiot here?

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Originally by: Smelly Kelly

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Edited by: Smelly Kelly on 04/05/2007 23:55:19

Originally by: Argenton Sayvers

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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 04/05/2007 23:50:31

Originally by: Rod Blaine

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makes sense

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You understood what kieron was saying. proof that there must be DEVS IN BOB!!!!!!

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I don't think he did understand it. Kieron mentioned that many players would be upset over this change, and those players may leave EVE. If they were simply cutting out GTC resellers like Amber Leonne and making the system automated through the account system then why would he say that?

GTC resellers being cut out and the system being made automated would make things easier, why would so many people quit over this? I think theres more to it then CCP is letting on.

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Originally by: Ionia

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This is why something needs to be done

The following logs are from Jita local, the only lines removed are ones that have no relavence whatsoever to the discussion.

[ 2007.04.28 05:47:49 ] Amber Leonne > Alrighty then, I'm outy, gonna try and start making these 50 characters.
[[ 2007.04.28 05:47:57 ] Jurgen Cartis > 50 chars?!?
[ 2007.04.28 05:48:18 ] Amber Leonne > For starters
[ 2007.04.28 05:48:20 ] The Comatorium > hoo rah
[ 2007.04.28 05:48:32 ] The Comatorium > split personalities?
[ 2007.04.28 05:48:50 ] Amber Leonne > Nah, no one will ever hear a word out of these ones
[ 2007.04.28 05:48:51 ] Ionia > o_O
[ 2007.04.28 05:49:02 ] Ionia > what are you doing that for amber?
[ 2007.04.28 05:49:14 ] Amber Leonne > Fleet of miners
[ 2007.04.28 05:49:18 ] Ionia > lol
[ 2007.04.28 05:49:19 ] The Comatorium > ($)-($)
[ 2007.04.28 05:49:32 ] Ionia > how many PCs have you got? :p
[ 2007.04.28 05:50:18 ] Amber Leonne > 0
[ 2007.04.28 05:50:39 ] Ionia > so what do you plan to do with them?
[ 2007.04.28 05:50:51 ] Amber Leonne > Train them
[ 2007.04.28 05:50:57 ] Ionia > then..
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:09 ] Anul Zakru > a SLave trader
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:11 ] Anul Zakru > cool
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:22 ] Ionia > sell them?
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:30 ] Amber Leonne > ;)
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:32 ] Anul Zakru > for iskys
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:32 ] Amber Leonne > With assets
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:37 ] Anul Zakru > more isky
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:42 ] Amber Leonne > The fun part being that I can afford hundreds of Hulks too
[ 2007.04.28 05:51:52 ] Ionia > you realise that will cost you USD$1000 for the transfer costs right?
[ 2007.04.28 05:52:16 ] Anul Zakru > i working on buying skill books and needing cash for them and your planing too buy 100 hulks@@
[ 2007.04.28 05:52:28 ] Amber Leonne > And net about $15,000 after GTC conversion
[ 2007.04.28 05:53:06 ] Ionia > you are selling gtcs for cash now too?
[ 2007.04.28 05:53:18 ] Anul Zakru > it's legal
[ 2007.04.28 05:54:56 ] Amber Leonne > Later folks =)

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Originally by: Ionia

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alot of somewhat unlikely stuff...

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Maybe Amber Leonne should just get banned for GTC conversion. There goes your argument.

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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban

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To those few people that did pick up on it correctly: yes, that means that technically, everyone playing Eve doesn't need to pay any real money at all.

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Originally by: Montague Zooma

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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban

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To those few people that did pick up on it correctly: yes, that means that technically, everyone playing Eve doesn't need to pay any real money at all.

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If no one pays any real money to CCP, they'll go out of business.

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like *******s.

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Sorry not either. And I'll stop calling him an idiot when he stops being one. The fact that he thinks that theres some magical way everyone can come up with a way to get their ISK for little effort shows he's an idiot. Either that or he thinks everyone plays to grind out ISK mining or ratting because staring at an asteroid belt with crappy, easy to beat NPC's because its somehow fun and an accomplishment. This is coming from someone who does grind out their ISK, enough to pay for the game without spending real money on it.

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I understand that not everyone can get ISK easily.

But, as a supporter of buying ISK with RL money, you think everyone should be able to, which negates the working to earn things and impact of loss on which Eve is based.

Who is the idiot here?

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You are, because there are people who can basically print ISK, but they got there by virtue of being A) lucky, B) in the right timezone, C) happened to sign up first. None of those seem like any kind of system for a GAME to determine who gets their stuff easiest. And like I said this comes from a person who works hard for their ISK, probably harder than you do, because I purchase gametime with ISK.

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Originally by: mother quafe

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now casual players buy 100m and spend them on whatever.

if all the casual players cant afford whatever anymore, then
a) prices for whatever will decrease or
b) they will not be the only one who dont have whatever --> not hac vs hac, but cruiser vs cruiser

sounds pretty fair to me

1)
2)
3) ?
4) profit! .......?

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Oh, are you one of those 'we should all have equal opportunities' people?

Yes, some people got there early and basically won EVE. That's part of the game. If you don't like it, once again, Eve is not the game you are looking for.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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Yeah but if everyone gives all of their ISK to CCP to pay for a few months of codes everyone will run out of ISK and have to go back to $$$$

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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ARGH! And stop posting 'CCP can't do this, they'll go bankrupt'. Clearly they can, or they wouldn't. They've almost certainly given it more thought that you have.

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Originally by: The Slayette

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Oh, are you one of those 'we should all have equal opportunities' people?

Yes, some people got there early and basically won EVE. That's part of the game. If you don't like it, once again, Eve is not the game you are looking for.

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Yeh man, Crumplecorn pays a higher subscription than you, he deserves to enjoy the game more with his isk printing machine. Idiot.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Yes, some people got there early and basically won EVE. That's part of the game. If you don't like it, once again, Eve is not the game you are looking for.

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: PDoggy

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Originally by: mother quafe

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now casual players buy 100m and spend them on whatever.

if all the casual players cant afford whatever anymore, then
a) prices for whatever will decrease or
b) they will not be the only one who dont have whatever --> not hac vs hac, but cruiser vs cruiser

sounds pretty fair to me

1)
2)
3) ?
4) profit! .......?

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You misunderstand, the point is that the casual players can no longer purchase ISK legally.

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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Player 1 - a rich CEO of a big Real Life company, who buys his PVP battleships with $.

Player 2 - a poor nerd living in his student dorm/parents' basement, who buys his PVP battleships by having no Real Life and thus being able to grind missions for hours every day.

Player 3 - he has to PVP versus both other players at different times.


From Player 3's perspective, Player 1 and Player 2 are different... how exactly?





Another thing:

Player 4 - he is your Average Joe, he has a job and can afford paying for one account with his money. He can also earn enough ISK through in game activities so he can PVP too.

Player 5 - he is a poor student, barely has enough money to finance his studies, so he has to either pay for EVE with ISK, or not play at all.


How are Player 4 and Player 5 different from Player 3's perspective? If the ISK for Game Time option wasn't available, Player 3 would only have Player 4 to fight against, thus have a lot less fun, seeing that Player 5 wouldn't be playing at all.





With all that said, may I humbly ask the anti-"ISK for Game Time" crowd as to why they have such a negative stance towards the aforementioned Player 1 and/or Player 5? Is it really SO bad that more people can enjoy this great game?


Thank you for reading my opinion and thank you in advance for not resorting to flaming but having a civilized discussion.



(a bonus tidbit of information that everyone will care about - I'm Player 5)

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Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI

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Oh I forgot the best part of the whole deal. Crumplecorn, you've been playing for 3 years longer than I have, thereby dumping an extra... $540 more into the game than I have, even if I ran out and bought $540 worth of GTC's, and traded them for ISK would I even be nearly as caught up to the game?

You already spent your money for ISK you just don't realize it.

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Yes, some people got there early and basically won EVE. That's part of the game. If you don't like it, once again, Eve is not the game you are looking for.

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I've been playing for a year as of yesterday. You cannot now, ú240 later (ú300 including GTCs i've bought and sold on) that every single time I need to buy something expensive, e.g: Capital, POS, etc, i'm going to have to either ninja mine in 0.0 for a month or grind the increasingly broken Lvl4s for 2 weeks.

That's ridiculous.

Massive chunks of this game should not be denied to me because I didn't join 3 years ago and ingratiate myself with some powergaming alliance where everyone has 6 accounts and owns a dozen T2 BPOs.

At the end of the day, it's CCPs fault for their monumental f*ck up with the all T2 market, POS warfare, etc issues, but now that is the case, if a player wants a leg up so they can afford something through Eve's broken economy, let them. It's their real life money to spend. CCP needs to tighten up on GTC for cash sales, not change the whole system to punish all the wrong people.

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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lots of reasonable stuff

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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(invention and HAC prices recently ar a big step in the right direction though).

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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I've done that a few times, maybe spent about ú40 to get about 500 mil isk. I don't feel at all bad about it because I view it as grossly unfair that powergamers, macroers and sweatshop-running slavemasters are able to enjoy parts of this game that I don't have access to because CCP messed up the economy so badly and after 4 years, have totally failed to fix it (invention and HAC prices recently ar a big step in the right direction though).

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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What the hell are you talking about? That's just an excuse because you couldn't cut it in 0.0. When I joined my current corp they were all literally new. Barely 3 months old. By the time the corp was 6 months old we had a system in 0.0 to ourselves locked down.

The alliances of EVE are not permenant by any stretch of the imagination. When I started playing CA, SA, Xetic, FA and the like ruled everything. Now I believe they're all dead, at least in their original incarnations. And who's in their place? The guys who were new then. The guys who used teamwork and dedication to take 0.0.

And the same will happen now. BoB, D2 and so on will get sick of the game. That's what happens with games - you 'win' them and you move on to a new challenge. New blood takes over. Obviously you don't cut it though.

And no, short of sucking up to an alliance a casual player can not control 0.0. Such is the way 0.0 was designed, and such is the way it should be.

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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lots of reasonable stuff

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...but you missed the point somewhat.

People aren't complaining that players can buy GTCs for isk they earn in game. That's fine.

People are complaining that the people who irl have some spare cash are able to spend it on a few GTCs and sell them on other players... for isk. Essentially they buy isk with real world cash.


I've done that a few times, maybe spent about ú40 to get about 500 mil isk. I don't feel at all bad about it because I view it as grossly unfair that powergamers, macroers and sweatshop-running slavemasters are able to enjoy parts of this game that I don't have access to because CCP messed up the economy so badly and after 4 years, have totally failed to fix it (invention and HAC prices recently ar a big step in the right direction though).

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: Ionia

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Read the TOPIC people, you are so far off track.

Wtf is wrong with people that they miss the topic completely, start taking about other things, even t2 bpos. Get real, get on topic.

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Originally by: Craam Hustler

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I am not really against players spending $$$ for ISK, ever since GTCS were allowed.

What I am really against is players converting ISK, to GTC, to $$$ on eBay.

The main thing I like about this, is the fact that they will be killing ISK -> GTC -> eBay

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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lots of reasonable stuff

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...but you missed the point somewhat.

People aren't complaining that players can buy GTCs for isk they earn in game. That's fine.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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I feel bad about it because it seems even more grossly unfair you can get around it and I can't just because you have more RL money than me.

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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So in the end I still don't understand why the hate towards those rich-in-RL guys.

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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I absolutely agree with you.

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Quote:

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4. Evil conglomerates are formed and prices go up!

As you probably realize by now, ISK sellers go to great lengths to get their hands on ISK. Recently we busted a blueprint conglomerate that was set up just to skim ISK off the top. That extra ISK was then sold for real life currency. The players involved bought a large number of expensive blueprints over a long period of time with the purpose of monopolizing the market on certain items. They attempted to drive prices as high as possible so that they could skim more money off the top and sell more ISK on eBay. This went on for some time and I am sure that a large number of the playerbase unknowingly felt the effect of this when buying ships and modules.

This conglomerate was found out and brought down by your friendly GMs and all those involved given a lifelong vacation from EVE. Their precious pile of blueprints will be reseeded to lucky players through the blueprint lottery. This is a perfect example of how those willing to buy ISK for real money can directly cause inflation and can end up costing the rest of the playerbase a lot of ISK.

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Another thing just occured to me.

How are CCP going to set the prices?
Or have I missed something?

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Originally by: James Duar

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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So in the end I still don't understand why the hate towards those rich-in-RL guys.

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Because this is freakin' internet spaceships. We don't come here to have the usual social order preserved.

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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Originally by: James Duar

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Originally by: CmdrThor

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So in the end I still don't understand why the hate towards those rich-in-RL guys.

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Because this is freakin' internet spaceships. We don't come here to have the usual social order preserved.

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Rich-in-RL guys create 6 accounts, puts Hulk in 5 of them and makes billions a day. Not a GTC in sight and he's still got a huge advantage because of his rl finances.

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Originally by: Team Chk

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A clearly written blog about this wouldn't have gone astray, instead of half-answers causing confusion

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Originally by: Team Chk

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A clearly written blog about this wouldn't have gone astray, instead of half-answers causing confusion

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Originally by: Scarlet Azmodea

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Personally I think its impossible to stop people from selling virtual currency. Even if CCP sold ISK the 3rd party companies would just sell for less creating a massive loss to the community as a whole. The only way you will see decreases in sales is if you made it harder to produce ISK in which case everyone in game would cry non stop.

I don't really know why people seem to think its such a huge advantage to have bought ISK. You all still need to go through the same time frames in training to use stuff. Sure it allows people to have "disposable ships" to some extent but does that really hurt anyone? Buying yer ship with ISK gained from money doesn't make you pvp better? It does however stimulate the economy for every builder selling their items.

You people also seem to blame ISK sales on "rich kids" yet have you thought of the fact that some people make good money in RL and don't feel like sacrificing their family/job to farm ISK from a roid field or mission site 16 hours a day, yet would like to enjoy the game also. Tell me this:
If you make money grinding a roid, rat belt, pirating, mission running, building, and buy a carrier from a corporation versus making it yourself is that any different then: you sitting in your management office grinding out your hotels advertisement strategies, researching your market segments,working on insurance claims,training your employees,serving your customers etc. Can you honestly say its different?

You really can't because you have aquired an item purchased with "currency" doesn't really matter if said currency is ISK or canadian dollars; someone throughout each process had to work for that "currency" no matter the color. It is not a persons fault for growing a career so they have extra cash to toss into a game. Maybe you should spend less time ice mining and work harder IRL.

Scarlet

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: pyschosis

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Buying 'Game Time" with isk is a good thing for the player base. It allows those with more RL time than money to continue to play, while removing some of the 'surplus' isk. The isk they use for GT cannot be used to buy ships/mods/implants so they are at disadvantage vs 'paid subscriptions' as they have an "Eve Rent" bill to pay every month, and while it seems it would hurt CCP financially some, it is the correct route to go to support long term play.

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Originally by: Aslord

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ccp just want to cut out the middlemen in real life, buying directly from ccp mean more real profit goes to the company instead of the timecard dealer web site

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Originally by: James Duar

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Edited by: James Duar on 05/05/2007 02:21:37

Originally by: pyschosis

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Buying 'Game Time" with isk is a good thing for the player base. It allows those with more RL time than money to continue to play, while removing some of the 'surplus' isk. The isk they use for GT cannot be used to buy ships/mods/implants so they are at disadvantage vs 'paid subscriptions' as they have an "Eve Rent" bill to pay every month, and while it seems it would hurt CCP financially some, it is the correct route to go to support long term play.

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It means the paying playerbase is paying for the hardcore "12 hours a day, computer in my bathroom" playerbase. It's god damn social support structures in internet spaceships. ISK doesn't buy servers, money does - money comes from paying customers. Gametime for ISK from CCP means that paying customers are being made to pay for others.

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Originally by: Tista

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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.

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Originally by: pyschosis

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Edited by: pyschosis on 05/05/2007 02:42:38
Edited by: pyschosis on 05/05/2007 02:42:10

Originally by: James Duar

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Edited by: James Duar on 05/05/2007 02:21:37

Originally by: pyschosis

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Buying 'Game Time" with isk is a good thing for the player base. It allows those with more RL time than money to continue to play, while removing some of the 'surplus' isk. The isk they use for GT cannot be used to buy ships/mods/implants so they are at disadvantage vs 'paid subscriptions' as they have an "Eve Rent" bill to pay every month, and while it seems it would hurt CCP financially some, it is the correct route to go to support long term play.

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It means the paying playerbase is paying for the hardcore "12 hours a day, computer in my bathroom" playerbase. It's god damn social support structures in internet spaceships. ISK doesn't buy servers, money does - money comes from paying customers. Gametime for ISK from CCP means that paying customers are being made to pay for others.

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CCP determines their profit margins not you. If you think they are going to create a system that means more of their income is isk than real currency you are simple ignorant. As long as the price is right those 'hard cores' will spend just as much time IN GAME earning money TO PLAY THE GAME as those who are actually working to pay for their subscription. (1 hour of my labor in RL can pay for 4 accounts for a month. How many hours will you grind for your monthly fee in isk? more than 1 I'm sure) the difference is that the 'paid' players can skip out on Eve for a month (or a year) and not lose anything, can come back right where they were whenever they want with no "Eve job" to do to play. If the 'play to play' types stop playing (stop grinding) they lose their entire account access.

the number of people who actually desire "yet another rent bill to occupy their gaming time" will be SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the number of people who can simply plop down 150.00 and be golden for a year.

once the majority of the 'play to play' crowd passes adolescence they wont have the leisure to keep grinding for their play time and will either quit (unlikely if they've invested that much time already) or realize the subscription fee is nothing for anyone with a 'real job'

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Originally by: Briana Flametop

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T2 BPO = significant ISK generator = playing EVE for free forever, probably for multiple characters. Not that difficult a concept, really.

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Originally by: Mox Trident

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Quote:

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In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK

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This is the part that some people have missed.

The way I read it is that you will no longer be able to buy GTC's from third parties like shatteredcrystal.com or ebay.

From now on you'll buy your GTC directly from CCP through account management.

This is how I think it will work:


Player A will purchase a GTC for RL cash from CCP.

Player A will be given an option to either use the GTC himself or sell it to player B for ISK.

When player B buys a GTC from a seller, the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from re-selling the GTC out of game for RL cash.


This way CCP get the RL cash, all transactions are through account management, and third party middlemen are removed from the equation altogether.

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Originally by: Petrothian Tong

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Psyc...

unless the GTC prices for isk increases drasticlly... at current rates..

ANY 5 mill SP char can easily make that amount of isk for a 90 days card in 2 or maybe 3 weekends....

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Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu

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so how much would 90 days time code for isk ?? 2-5b ??

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Originally by: voogru

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I think the actual real reason for GTC for ISK was to allow players to save money by paying for their game with ISK.

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Originally by: VossKarr

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Originally by: voogru

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I think the actual real reason for GTC for ISK was to allow players to save money by paying for their game with ISK.

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But what will they do with ISK? They can't run their company on virtual currency. They'll have to convert to RL money. The question is how?

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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We still have a number of details to work out, as well as implementation and integration, but that will hopefully clear up some of the confusion created earlier.

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Originally by: Farscape Hw

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ccp please do not remove the ability to buy time codes. i cannot pay for my 3 accounts atm but have plenty of isk. im having very hard RL issues and im sure alot of ppl are in the same boat as i.

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Originally by: VossKarr

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Originally by: voogru

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I think the actual real reason for GTC for ISK was to allow players to save money by paying for their game with ISK.

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But what will they do with ISK? They can't run their company on virtual currency. They'll have to convert to RL money. The question is how?

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