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Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:52:00 - [91] Edited by: Craam Hustler on 04/05/2007 23:49:37 Originally by: Montague Zooma It's the latest trend in the game biz. I hear Hasbro will now let you buy games with Monopoly money. How would you feel if I play monopoly with you. After the game starts, I pay someone for a monoply board game, take that money out, and use it to buy all of the properties on the board. Yeah thats real fair huh.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:53:00 - [92] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 04/05/2007 23:50:31 Originally by: Rod Blaine makes sense You understood what kieron was saying. proof that there must be DEVS IN BOB!!!!!!
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Nero Scuro Fail. Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris

Rauth Kivaro Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:55:00 - [94] Just a word here by way of preventative maintenance: I know this is a subject that many of you have strong opinions on and I'm sure everyone wants to have a chance to have their voice heard on a topic of such importance to the EVE community. But please, keep it civil and within the forum rules. Thanks! Rauth Kivaro, CRC, A division of ISD

Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:56:00 - [95] Edited by: Akita T on 04/05/2007 23:54:09 Originally by: PDoggy Kieron you're a really nice guy and I don't mean any offense at all by this but please run announcement posts like this by someone with a more comprehensive grasp of English grammar, these threads always devolve into 20-page circular arguments about what exactly you meant. I grudgingly (anger management issues) endorse this post (due to the fact the post is spot on the problem). Originally by: Rauth Kivaro I know this is a subject that many of you have strong opinions on and I'm sure everyone wants to have a chance to have their voice heard on a topic of such importance to the EVE community. Now if we only knew what exactly we are arguing about in the first place... _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:57:00 - [96] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like *******s. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
Smelly Kelly	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:57:00 - [97] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 04/05/2007 23:50:31 Originally by: Rod Blaine makes sense You understood what kieron was saying. proof that there must be DEVS IN BOB!!!!!! I don't think he did understand it. Kieron mentioned that many players would be upset over this change, and those players may leave EVE. If they were simply cutting out GTC resellers like Amber Leonne and making the system automated through the account system then why would he say that?
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:58:00 - [98] This has got to be a seriously late April fool ... Imho CCp runs on Euros or dollars. to earn a living / reason for its existance. , from a player base ie us the player . Not an imaginary made up, in game, currency. CCp then decides to sell its 'Time' for the currency ingame. - Hmm how many RAMdiscs can be bought with isk / hoopaloopa / Make up name here... as many times as you like... Gotta be an April fool. Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:00:00 - [99] Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: Nero Scuro Fail. Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low. While we're inventing figures, I say it's 56.2% of EVE's population. I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I've made my point, if you don't get it yet you never will.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:00:00 - [100] Edited by: Soulita on 04/05/2007 23:56:22 If CCP realy intends to outlaw private GTC selling and intends to sell GTC for isk themselves instead - all I can say is respect! Nice isk sink, good for slowing inflation, and people can not buy isk for RL cash anymore. Very nice.

Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:00:00 - [101] This is a partial copy of an email I sent to CCP with a proposed solution, I am posting it here as well so there is a better chance they will see it and take notice. Your post created more questions than it provided answers I think, it was quite unclear what you are going to do. I have a suggestion here (I know my chances of being listened to are next to 0, but i've got to try) This solution will do the following: * Allow people with lots of time/isk to purchase game time with ISK * Allow people with little time/isk to sell game time for ISK * Stop resellers getting GTCs with ISK and selling them on eBay This means that people can put cash into the game, which is good for those that want an isk boost, good for those that want to buy time for isk, and good for CCP because subscription numbers increase. I know a lot of people with a lot of accounts (myself included) that would not be playing them if it was not for GTC to ISK. Now, to my proposed solution... Change GTC from Game Time Code to Game Time CREDIT Have these credits as items accessable through the my account pages. Allow people to buy them, as they already can, with the OPTION to activate them. For those that want to sell them for ISK, allow them to do that as they already can, or, make a market type system in my account with buy and sell orders for game time. The main feature is that when you buy game time credit from someone, it is automatically applied to your account. That means that you cant sell it on. This will prevent people from buying GTC for ISK then selling them for CASH on eBay because there is no longer any code, and no longer any way to resell GTCs. Now, the business side... This will maintain the status quo as far as CCP is concerned, they still make extra money from all the subscriptions that run from GTC to ISK, believe me, if you shut that option down, you would lose thousands if not tens of thousands in revenue. The issue would be for the shatteredcrystal type resellers, since there are no longer any codes. You would get around this in one of two ways, the first would be a referral system, and the second, and by far the best, is to offer them a simple API. With a simple API the GTC resellers (real ones) would simply have to add an 'account name' field to their order form, and the buyers would recieve a game time credit in their account, which they could either activate or sell for isk. Again, the only major difference is that there is no actual code. Using the above solution, it is impossible to sell GTCs that have been bought with ISK, so this completely eliminates the ISK>GTC>EBAY situation which in my mind, is totally disgusting. Hopefully you guys will use this solution or come up with another one that addresses all of the points. This situation, if you pardon my french, is very easy to ** up royally, so I hope you guys can get it right! Thanks for reading once again, and thanks for doing something about these unscroupulous ****s that are ***** up our game. -Ionia
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:00:00 - [102] Edited by: Montague Zooma on 04/05/2007 23:59:21 Originally by: Craam Hustler Edited by: Craam Hustler on 04/05/2007 23:49:37 Originally by: Montague Zooma It's the latest trend in the game biz. I hear Hasbro will now let you buy games with Monopoly money. How would you feel if I play monopoly with you. After the game starts, I pay someone for a monoply board game, take that money out, and use it to buy all of the properties on the board. Yeah thats real fair huh. I'm not referring to the appropriateness of buying isk for real cash. My remark is a reaction to Kieron's unclear post. It sounds like CCP will sell you game time for isk...which would be the same as Hasbro selling you games for Monopoly money. This doesn't make sense to me.
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:02:00 - [103] Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like *******s. Sorry not either. And I'll stop calling him an idiot when he stops being one. The fact that he thinks that theres some magical way everyone can come up with a way to get their ISK for little effort shows he's an idiot. Either that or he thinks everyone plays to grind out ISK mining or ratting because staring at an asteroid belt with crappy, easy to beat NPC's because its somehow fun and an accomplishment. This is coming from someone who does grind out their ISK, enough to pay for the game without spending real money on it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:02:00 - [104] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Originally by: Crumplecorn Eve is not the game they are looking for. No, Eve as you perceive it is not the game he's looking for. You however are an idiot so its not much of a stretch to realize that you have zero clue what the hell you're talking about, and can safely be ignored on that fact. As far as your pathetic attempt to wittily reply to my earlier attempt at educating you on realities, economy doesn't care about in-game or out of game. The fact remains that there are not enough "high-end" jobs where you don't end up grinding for your money that everyone who so wishes them can have one, thats a basic premise of having something to lose in the game. Unfortunately you're too retarded to understand that fact. I understand that, you fail to grasp that Eve is, as you pointed out, designed this way, and people who buy ISK with RL money circumvent the design. I wasn't trying to be witty, your posts simply don't warrant proper responses. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:03:00 - [105] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: Nero Scuro Fail. Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low. While we're inventing figures, I say it's 56.2% of EVE's population. I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I've made my point, if you don't get it yet you never will. When in doubt, claim aloofness and superiority to your opponent. - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:04:00 - [106] ARGH! And stop posting 'CCP can't do this, they'll go bankrupt'. Clearly they can, or they wouldn't. They've almost certainly given it more thought that you have. And they've got access to there account books, so they'll know whether it's feasible or not. For example - maybe if you play using ISK, you get ingame ads? That's where CCP will be getting their cash from? Kieron said he couldn't release all the details - that means there are more details yet to be disclosed (I shouldn't have to point this out, but apparently I do), we are not in possession of all the facts. CCP will no doubt not be giving out game time for free (although it's not beyond the realm of possible, I believe anarchy online is free?), wait and see what they have up their sleeve.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:05:00 - [107] Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like ******s. Sorry not either. And I'll stop calling him an idiot when he stops being one. The fact that he thinks that theres some magical way everyone can come up with a way to get their ISK for little effort shows he's an idiot. Either that or he thinks everyone plays to grind out ISK mining or ratting because staring at an asteroid belt with crappy, easy to beat NPC's because its somehow fun and an accomplishment. This is coming from someone who does grind out their ISK, enough to pay for the game without spending real money on it. I understand that not everyone can get ISK easily. But, as a supporter of buying ISK with RL money, you think everyone should* be able to, which negates the working to earn things and impact of loss on which Eve is based. Who is the idiot here? - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:05:00 - [108] Originally by: ToxicFire This is going to turn eve into meta gaming for big alliances. thats a bad thing ? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:05:00 - [109] Originally by: RightYouAre Ken Is English your 8th language or something, kieron, because seriously every post you make on this subject just confuses it more. Please tell us which of the following statements about the new system are false, if any: 1) Player A can buy timecards from CCP for Real Money. 2) Player B can buy timecards from Player A for ISK, (using CCP as a broker for the transaction). 3) All timecard affiliate programs will be shut down - the only valid timecard transactions will be handled directly through CCP. 4) This new system is intended to end timecard scams and put more money into CCP's wallet, (because they wouldn't be selling to affiliates at a discounted rate). Woah, what? You can buy game time (not the lack of the word card there) for ISK. I.e instead of paying ú15 a month to play, you pay 125M ISK. (Or whatever the want). The traditional method will still exist. The GTCs will still exist. You will not be able to buy GTC from another player for ISK, because you can buy the game time from CCP directly, for isk. Not hard to follow, don't see why everyone is insulting Kieron. Makes perfect sense to me. Look at it like this: I'm a student. I can pay all my bills, but this game is a luxury. I can spend the time to make 125M a week, I use one week to pay for my time in Eve, and the other three weeks what I want. Rinse and repeat. I don't have to pay CCP anything. That's what has been posted. To those few people that did pick up on it correctly: yes, that means that technically, everyone playing Eve doesn't need to pay any real money at all. I love this idea because, like I said, I'm a poor student. But on the other hand, it makes no sense - where will CCP get the money from to generate new content etc? With a single shard universe like this, the pay-for-expansions won't work. The only other option is pay-for-content (i.e. I pay real money for a Scorpion). I quite like that idea, I think it's what Sony are/were trying to do with EQ. It reduces the ebuyers, makes it a safe transaction (cause it's being done with the developer), and would reduce farmers, unless they thought they could give you more isk for your real money. Hmm. -J --------------------------------- "He who 'hah hahs' last, 'hah hahs' best." - Nelson Balanced != Nerfed
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:06:00 - [110] Originally by: CCP kieron Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. Thank god. One giant leap for stopping people with some extra cash IRL from cheating in EVE. And yes, buying ISK, that involves you using RL $, is cheating. People support wars and such with GTC ISK ffs.

Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:06:00 - [111] Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: Nero Scuro Fail. Lame over-played 4chan catchphrases do not valid points make. Though I understand what you're saying on the last one - how many people do you know that would actually do that? If such people even exist in any fashion (I've only heard of them rhetorically in arguments like these), they would comprise something ridiculous like 0.01% of the playing population. Therefore, the likelihood you would ever interact with one and have your game experience altered as a result is similarly low. While we're inventing figures, I say it's 56.2% of EVE's population. I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I've made my point, if you don't get it yet you never will. When in doubt, claim aloofness and superiority to your opponent. I've made my point. There is no more point to make. What do you want me to do, endlessly repeat the same argument to you? I have better things to do myself.
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:06:00 - [112] This is why something needs to be done The following logs are from Jita local, the only lines removed are ones that have no relavence whatsoever to the discussion. [ 2007.04.28 05:47:49 ] Amber Leonne > Alrighty then, I'm outy, gonna try and start making these 50 characters. [[ 2007.04.28 05:47:57 ] Jurgen Cartis > 50 chars?!? [ 2007.04.28 05:48:18 ] Amber Leonne > For starters [ 2007.04.28 05:48:20 ] The Comatorium > hoo rah [ 2007.04.28 05:48:32 ] The Comatorium > split personalities? [ 2007.04.28 05:48:50 ] Amber Leonne > Nah, no one will ever hear a word out of these ones [ 2007.04.28 05:48:51 ] Ionia > o_O [ 2007.04.28 05:49:02 ] Ionia > what are you doing that for amber? [ 2007.04.28 05:49:14 ] Amber Leonne > Fleet of miners [ 2007.04.28 05:49:18 ] Ionia > lol [ 2007.04.28 05:49:19 ] The Comatorium > ($)-($) [ 2007.04.28 05:49:32 ] Ionia > how many PCs have you got? :p [ 2007.04.28 05:50:18 ] Amber Leonne > 0 [ 2007.04.28 05:50:39 ] Ionia > so what do you plan to do with them? [ 2007.04.28 05:50:51 ] Amber Leonne > Train them [ 2007.04.28 05:50:57 ] Ionia > then.. [ 2007.04.28 05:51:09 ] Anul Zakru > a SLave trader [ 2007.04.28 05:51:11 ] Anul Zakru > cool [ 2007.04.28 05:51:22 ] Ionia > sell them? [ 2007.04.28 05:51:30 ] Amber Leonne > ;) [ 2007.04.28 05:51:32 ] Anul Zakru > for iskys [ 2007.04.28 05:51:32 ] Amber Leonne > With assets [ 2007.04.28 05:51:37 ] Anul Zakru > more isky [ 2007.04.28 05:51:42 ] Amber Leonne > The fun part being that I can afford hundreds of Hulks too [ 2007.04.28 05:51:52 ] Ionia > you realise that will cost you USD$1000 for the transfer costs right? [ 2007.04.28 05:52:16 ] Anul Zakru > i working on buying skill books and needing cash for them and your planing too buy 100 hulks@@ [ 2007.04.28 05:52:28 ] Amber Leonne > And net about $15,000 after GTC conversion [ 2007.04.28 05:53:06 ] Ionia > you are selling gtcs for cash now too? [ 2007.04.28 05:53:18 ] Anul Zakru > it's legal [ 2007.04.28 05:54:56 ] Amber Leonne > Later folks =)
PDoggy Minmatar Valid Character Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:07:00 - [113] Originally by: Nero Scuro ARGH! And stop posting 'CCP can't do this, they'll go bankrupt'. Clearly they can, or they wouldn't. They've almost certainly given it more thought that you have. And they've got access to there account books, so they'll know whether it's feasible or not. For example - maybe if you play using ISK, you get ingame ads? That's where CCP will be getting their cash from? Kieron said he couldn't release all the details - that means there are more details yet to be disclosed (I shouldn't have to point this out, but apparently I do), we are not in possession of all the facts. CCP will no doubt not be giving out game time for free (although it's not beyond the realm of possible, I believe anarchy online is free?), wait and see what they have up their sleeve. Why would CCP as a business ever want to remove a feature that is making them money, ensuring that every account paid for in ISK is still getting them $15 per month except from someone else, and that has been working for well over a year; all in the vague and undefined hopes they can stop something the kind of dedicated idiots that are determined to cash out of EVE will manage one way or another anyhow? - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris
Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Soulita Nice isk sink, good for slowing inflation, and people can not buy isk for RL cash anymore. Yes they can - they just don't do it via time-card sales or within the EULA. Instead of the $15 (or whatever) going to CCP, it'll go to the ISK-farmer's bank account. Sure, they can (and will) ban people for it - that's what every MMOG developer says and does. They absolutely will not be able to prevent it, though. Unless there's a second part of this announcement which reads something like "You will now be able to buy ISK directly from CCP with RL cash", this plan has an incredibly high chance of being very bad for the game.
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:11:00 - [115] Originally by: Ionia alot of somewhat unlikely stuff... Maybe Amber Leonne should just get banned for GTC conversion. There goes your argument. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Hos B4 Bros	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:11:00 - [116] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Originally by: PDoggy Originally by: IlIlIlIlI IlIlIlIlI Tetsujin or FNLN or whoever you are exactly stop calling people retards it's making you and me by proxy sound like ******s. Sorry not either. And I'll stop calling him an idiot when he stops being one. The fact that he thinks that theres some magical way everyone can come up with a way to get their ISK for little effort shows he's an idiot. Either that or he thinks everyone plays to grind out ISK mining or ratting because staring at an asteroid belt with crappy, easy to beat NPC's because its somehow fun and an accomplishment. This is coming from someone who does grind out their ISK, enough to pay for the game without spending real money on it. I understand that not everyone can get ISK easily. But, as a supporter of buying ISK with RL money, you think everyone should* be able to, which negates the working to earn things and impact of loss on which Eve is based. Who is the idiot here? You are, because there are people who can basically print ISK, but they got there by virtue of being A) lucky, B) in the right timezone, C) happened to sign up first. None of those seem like any kind of system for a GAME to determine who gets their stuff easiest. And like I said this comes from a person who works hard for their ISK, probably harder than you do, because I purchase gametime with ISK.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:13:00 - [117] Originally by: Smelly Kelly Edited by: Smelly Kelly on 04/05/2007 23:55:19 Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 04/05/2007 23:50:31 Originally by: Rod Blaine makes sense You understood what kieron was saying. proof that there must be DEVS IN BOB!!!!!! I don't think he did understand it. Kieron mentioned that many players would be upset over this change, and those players may leave EVE. If they were simply cutting out GTC resellers like Amber Leonne and making the system automated through the account system then why would he say that? GTC resellers being cut out and the system being made automated would make things easier, why would so many people quit over this? I think theres more to it then CCP is letting on. Wait and see. I'm betting the ability to buy gamteime to resell though the acc management page is going to be limited. As in: you can sell only as much gametime as you're bought for your own accounts. Just as example, but that is one aspect that also always has been missing from the "arrangement" so far. [center] Old blog
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:13:00 - [118] Originally by: Ionia This is why something needs to be done The following logs are from Jita local, the only lines removed are ones that have no relavence whatsoever to the discussion. [ 2007.04.28 05:47:49 ] Amber Leonne > Alrighty then, I'm outy, gonna try and start making these 50 characters. [[ 2007.04.28 05:47:57 ] Jurgen Cartis > 50 chars?!? [ 2007.04.28 05:48:18 ] Amber Leonne > For starters [ 2007.04.28 05:48:20 ] The Comatorium > hoo rah [ 2007.04.28 05:48:32 ] The Comatorium > split personalities? [ 2007.04.28 05:48:50 ] Amber Leonne > Nah, no one will ever hear a word out of these ones [ 2007.04.28 05:48:51 ] Ionia > o_O [ 2007.04.28 05:49:02 ] Ionia > what are you doing that for amber? [ 2007.04.28 05:49:14 ] Amber Leonne > Fleet of miners [ 2007.04.28 05:49:18 ] Ionia > lol [ 2007.04.28 05:49:19 ] The Comatorium > ($)-($) [ 2007.04.28 05:49:32 ] Ionia > how many PCs have you got? :p [ 2007.04.28 05:50:18 ] Amber Leonne > 0 [ 2007.04.28 05:50:39 ] Ionia > so what do you plan to do with them? [ 2007.04.28 05:50:51 ] Amber Leonne > Train them [ 2007.04.28 05:50:57 ] Ionia > then.. [ 2007.04.28 05:51:09 ] Anul Zakru > a SLave trader [ 2007.04.28 05:51:11 ] Anul Zakru > cool [ 2007.04.28 05:51:22 ] Ionia > sell them? [ 2007.04.28 05:51:30 ] Amber Leonne > ;) [ 2007.04.28 05:51:32 ] Anul Zakru > for iskys [ 2007.04.28 05:51:32 ] Amber Leonne > With assets [ 2007.04.28 05:51:37 ] Anul Zakru > more isky [ 2007.04.28 05:51:42 ] Amber Leonne > The fun part being that I can afford hundreds of Hulks too [ 2007.04.28 05:51:52 ] Ionia > you realise that will cost you USD$1000 for the transfer costs right? [ 2007.04.28 05:52:16 ] Anul Zakru > i working on buying skill books and needing cash for them and your planing too buy 100 hulks@@ [ 2007.04.28 05:52:28 ] Amber Leonne > And net about $15,000 after GTC conversion [ 2007.04.28 05:53:06 ] Ionia > you are selling gtcs for cash now too? [ 2007.04.28 05:53:18 ] Anul Zakru > it's legal [ 2007.04.28 05:54:56 ] Amber Leonne > Later folks =) Vonderful!
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:14:00 - [119] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Ionia alot of somewhat unlikely stuff... Maybe Amber Leonne should just get banned for GTC conversion. There goes your argument. Banned? What she is doing is within the EULA, that is why this situation needs to be addressed.
mother quafe	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:15:00 - [120] now casual players buy 100m and spend them on whatever. if all the casual players cant afford whatever anymore, then a) prices for whatever will decrease or b) they will not be the only one who dont have whatever --> not hac vs hac, but cruiser vs cruiser sounds pretty fair to me 1) 2) 3) ? 4) profit! .......?



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