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Winston 4Head
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:04:48 -
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so rattlesnake is basically a better option to rat with now, and you have carriers being useless both pve and pvp-wise
where are you going with these changes ? |
Aeron Deyanira
Hashshashin Inc. Spectre Fleet Alliance
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:04:56 -
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So you arent making enough @86mil/year and now need to nerf this, so more people will have to buy plex with real money? Because thats the only real reason i can see for such ridiculous nerfs. |
Soulis Sectar
Moosearmy Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:08:00 -
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I've been playing EVE for a long time and I'd like to think i'm their ideal customer. I pay for my subs (3of them currently) in RL money, I regularly Buy plex ($200-300/month) to fund the things i want to do ingame (injectors, ships, skins, etc) and i've played in most of the different scenarios the game offers from straight ratting to incursion running to WH expl, to big fleet fights and some basic one on one pvp. I play a few hours a day and change what i do on a regular basis.
I choose what i want to do in game because its fun and keeps me engaged. I'm not a player that multi boxes or afk rats. I chose to get into a carrier because it was fun, needed my input and could make a reliable income.
The issue for me personally is that now someone else is deciding what i want to do in the game for me. After I've spent time, RL money and effort to be able to do this one thing. I get that carriers are powerful and for the investment they should be. My current Nid gets 3375 dps... if i lose 20% of that it goes down to 2700 then i'll lose even more because I'm not going to field t2 fighters(because of increased aggro) so thats another 10% drop so more like 2500 total dps.
I can fit a vindicator to get 2300dps and go run incursions in high sec at $150-200mil isk/ hour for significantly less investment than my $5+bil carrier and make just as much going forward. Tell me why this should be possible? its less time and isk investment and honestly alot less work to manage 1 account setup this way. To be honest I think alot of people will min-max this way, or find another faucet to open.
Capitals and Super Caps should be better on their own than one or 2 subcaps... by a long shot.. heck i think a carrier should carry the force/income of 5x bs simply because of the degree of difficulty and cost of investment. But If i can out pace a carrier with a BS... why should i bother with that time/isk/RL investment?
If you put a Carrier and a Battleship on a scale would they balance? Nope.. so why should they be balanced here... if you can afford to fly one you should reap the result. |
Sabrephenix Pacht-Feng
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:08:57 -
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- 3 acc |
Foch This
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:09:42 -
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I unsubbed, and will be unsubbing all accounts. Clearly the only goal here is nerf any isk making opportunities EXCEPT hi sec incursions. This is an effort for ccp to sell more plex....so no thanks. Its been real. |
Sal'am Gu'itza2
Evil Dutch Bastards System Wide Adaptive Roam Massacres
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:10:22 -
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So you people are nerfing carrier so more people buy plex with real money, thinking you're about to boost your income. Guess what, you're only going to lose a lot of your player base. Lets see CCP make money off this game when you're left with 1 k active players. It's gonna be the GMs and NPCs in space. And no, I don't fly caps, i don't want to fly caps, but i'm looking around and all i see is my friends thinking about quitting EVE |
Kaze Mester
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:10:23 -
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Lack of end content = nerf so they will think that the old "end content" is new
brilliant |
Raz Keriz
17th PARSEC Red Alliance
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:15:12 -
[818] - Quote
-2 acc
#UNSUBEVE |
VvykiZ
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:15:27 -
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1st post on forums cool changes. -3 acc |
Neva Second
Extreme Agony Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:16:04 -
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I don't hold out much hope that CCP will actually take any of the player base feedback seriously but here goes.
If the isk faucet issue is the catalyst for the nerf it makes much more sense to decrease the value of the anom than it does to diminish the power of the ship. Ships are finite entities whose destruction through pvp/pve activity maintain the needed cycle of production. You want players excited to sit in these big hulls and play space pixels and you should want as many players as possible doing so. PVP is self correcting, every fleet has a counter, even if the counter is just more of the same, so please don't advertise a nerf as some sort of balancing for the sake of player content/fairness. We don't want this balance, if your concerned that our wallets are too fat then cut the value of the anoms and force carrier ratters to play longer for the same amount of isk. This also has the added benefit of giving hunters more juicy targets....and the cycle repeats.
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Kaelke
Evil Dutch Bastards System Wide Adaptive Roam Massacres
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:17:01 -
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*unsubs 4 carrier alts
So, when you can pay every single employee, including volunteers, 143k a year, that still isnt enough? |
GetWrekt Nerds
From Ashes
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:18:21 -
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-1 subbed account.....ccp ruining eve so they can work on VR....time for some Elite Dangerous |
Jasdemi
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:19:14 -
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-1 account. I'm glad Albion Online is just around the corner. |
jura Kurvora
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:19:14 -
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-1 subscriber.....its been real. TIme to move on. |
Jacob Farron
Clone Snatchers Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:20:15 -
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Only a few days after I spend almost 10 bil on injectors :( |
Pier Rin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:20:22 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Pier Rin wrote:Frosty Indica wrote:If it makes goonswarm cry, its a good move by ccp. You guys are great entertainment. Did you bother to read about this isk "hose" only benifiting a few players ? You dont cry a single tear when they makes changes to make being a pirate easier, but if they nurf your big shinny isk hose, you act like the game is about to end. Please quit now, less goons=the world a better place. yeah img all of goons + friends gone.... Rip eve, they represent more then 50% of all the eve players. Just saying There are people in Null that aren't goons and PL you know...
what you think will happen, if more then 50% of the player base disappears????
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Koteth Silverwolf
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:20:34 -
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CCP's new motto: Ruining communities one nerf at a time |
evan mclean
Power Shift
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:20:56 -
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I hope ccp see all the money they are going to lose by doing this.
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lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution.
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:21:17 -
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sorry so a 25bill ship making 150m hr is bad? **** i would expect more isk tbh. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
341
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:21:27 -
[830] - Quote
CCP Larrikin wrote:[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/71813/1/GermanFlag33.png[/img] -á [img]http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/FLAG_-_RUSSIAN-33.png[/img]Hi Space Friends, Coming with our release on Tuesday, weGÇÖre significantly reducing the damage output of Fighters. Why:We are making this change because Carriers & Supercarriers are too strong in PvE, specifically anomaly ratting in Nullsec. As you may have seen in the May Monthly Economy Report, there is a significant upward trend in the Money Supply. This is primarily due to NPC Bounties. This trend is unsustainable. Having such a large ISK faucet is bad for the economy, and this ISK faucet is concentrated to a relatively small number of players. We also think that Carriers and Supercarriers are a bit too effective in PvP now. This change will significantly change the PvP balance, but weGÇÖre confident that Carriers and Supercarriers will remain powerful options for PvP. What:- Light Fighters (Space Superiority): No Change
- Light Fighters (Attack): 20% reduction to Basic Attack and Heavy Rocket Salvo damage.
- Support Fighters: No Change
- Heavy Fighters (Heavy Attack): 10% reduction to Basic Attack and Torpedo Salvo damage.
- Heavy Fighters (Long Range Attack): 30% reduction to Basic Attack damage.
- Heavy Fighters (Shadow): No Change
- NPCs are 15% more likely to shoot at fighters than they are currently.
We will continue to observe the economy after these changes and will make adjustments as necessary to keep it healthy for all our players. Why don't you add all the way down to 1/10s to null sec so there's an easier entry point for new players making the leap into nullsec that gives them more options for low end pve. Problem isn't bounties it's high end players who can sit in the hardest sites afk while new players can't even get anything below a 7/10.
The bounties should be left alone. Changes to bounties and NPC drop rates just hurts less experienced players. Does not affect established players at all except increase the wealth gap. |
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Arsig Dadunur
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:22:08 -
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CCP seems determined to alienate the player (customer) base. The stated reasons for the nerf defy logic and it seems more likely that CCP is realigning towards a micro-transaction type game vs true sandbox.
The solution to changing the game is developing new engaging content versus taking content and abilities (skills) from the players. Also, why don't you try listening to what the players want versus smashing morale and game play with oppressive, fun-policing patches. If a sandbox is broken and needs stimulation then add new toys! You don't replace the current toys with less useful and more boring versions and then expect things to get better. If you want to reduce inflation or the amount of ISK being generated then do it on the PvE side. Nerf bounties, re-spawn rates, etc. related to carrier ratting but don't smash the PvP abilities of carrier itself.
Carrier and supercarrier DPS is currently appropriate if not a little light for PvP. They are end-game PvP ships and should be powerful in their own right not just when they're part of a huge blob. The fighter nerf is ridiculously strong considering the time and cost to obtain those ships and drops them below whats reasonable to bring to a fight. Now with the sig radius and DPS reductions carriers will be quickly defanged and poof, you're an expensive space brick.
CCP should listen to it's players. |
Boston Grambo
Caldari Petroleum Army of New Eden
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:22:28 -
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These changes are absolutely uncalled for. Here's a few reasons why.
1.) You have bigger issues with AFK Ishtars/Vexors making 15-20m ISK per tick, doing the most minimal amount of work. 2.) The investment required to acquire/train/purchase a super carrier should already balance "impact" supers have. 3.) Ratting in a SUPER is a much more dangerous act than ratting in a Ishtar/VNI. 4.) Stop gimping, and reduce the bounty.
I also believe that any CSM who supports these patch changes should be recalled.
-Boston |
Kym Sorenson
Lone Wolf Union Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:23:45 -
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This is a bad change because it screws over capital PvP. You're going to lose people. This is something that wasn't broken. If you want less carrier PvE, gate the anoms so carriers can't enter. This isn't rocket science, it just requires a tad more work on your part, instead of this terrible, ill-conceived nerf. |
Firephli
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:24:14 -
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OK ok , seems that this might not be the best decision by CCP, but if you guys are going to do that how about making/adding more types of Anoms, make loot drop more worth it. Maybe even up the salvage rates? |
Krypleria
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:25:32 -
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I also believe that any CSM who supports these patch changes should be recalled.
I AGREE
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prMoriarty
Weyland-Yutani deep mining expedition Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:26:34 -
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-1 acc, bb eve, hi real world and fishing i played with 2008 yr. |
Kaze Mester
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:27:10 -
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Make a fking npc market with your own prices and new bind to player items if you want to withdraw isk from the game... |
evan mclean
Power Shift
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:28:20 -
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ccp I will pay you to just stay home and not miss up the game anymore. just let me know the cost per mouth |
Pimpel Betrak
The Dysfunctionals Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:28:21 -
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Ok CCP... Now I can totally see the logic here.... A small number of players in the grand scheme spend months/years training supers. 30 bill plus on fits and ship.... And ...get a grade one crotch punch from ccp for having the audacity of using them to try to get some isk back.
so....lets not tackle the issue of afk ratting in ishtars and VNI, noooooo cos the thousands doing that are totally not the issue... lets crotch punch the big guys...again.. How many bites of the cherry do CCP want and screwing up caps? Now I realise that you have to put the under achiever staff somewhere... but do you REALLLLLLY have to keep sticking them in the "lets blue ball" the big stuff team? seriously?
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Stannis Mannist
Imperial Guardians Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:28:33 -
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Is CCP intentionally trying to keep people from the game, are they secretly trying to liquidate... because these adjustment seem to be aimed at irking the active player... This is just not a bright move. Who do they have working over there?l |
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