Really nice work - thanks!

(hasn't the Show Market Details button always been there :o )

could we get the date back on our clocks?

"Right click menu has been added to the image in the "Selected Item" window"

Thank you! I don't know how many times I've tried right clicking that stupid icon just because I should be able to do that. +Beer.

PS: If you happen to get bored I'd LOVE the ability to see which market orders are mine in view market details... and then the ability to right click modify them directly from there.

Will we also be able to drag reactions and other BPO-like items into the quick bar to list their mats?

I love that Avatar for 50b ISK and 500 ISK and everything else in this dev blog and everyone in this blog is also amazing

Also proof that you guys keep forgetting to direct the "comments" link on your Devblogs to the proper forum thread.

Can I combine blueprint folders without duplication? That way I can have one folder for my entire weekly buy list.

So now, the text in the orders that are in your route will be colored yellow.

I love you <3

Excellent work gentlemen, keep at it!.

not for the "modify order" window

gentlemen

Very cool, these are awesome changes! Keep up the great job :D

-Liang

PS: If you happen to get bored I'd LOVE the ability to see which market orders are mine in view market details... and then the ability to right click modify them directly from there.

Will we also be able to drag reactions and other BPO-like items into the quick bar to list their mats?

I've been with CCP for almost 4 and a half years, yet this is my first dev blog

PS: If you happen to get bored I'd LOVE the ability to see which market orders are mine in view market details... and then the ability to right click modify them directly from there.

+1 for this. This would be very helpful.

+1 for this. This would be very helpful.

I agree too w this.

One question about the blueprint drag feature: it's a nice idea, but how would ppl know that they can drag the blueprints there?

yeah, we have also been thinking about this... there are some hidden "features" in EVE (like holding down SHIFT to split stack, and while opening "show info" window to get a new one), and we probably don't communicate them well enough.
We are planning on adding something in the Evelopedia, and also hoping you guys spread the word

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.

WHAT! Why have I not known this before : (((
From now on I will shift click ALL THE THINGS!

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.

Awesome. Keep up the good work.

Will you add show in contract feature also to folders created from ship-fittings?.

I can see that being a problem. Sounds like the only way to get around that would be to locally cache the My Orders list on the client and refresh it only when you get a wallet update related to market orders or modify a market order. Unfortunately you probably considered that and it wasn't that much of a Little Thing.

Pity - thanks for the explanation though! <3

-Liang

Why not send a RequestorID along with your market list request, the server can flag the matching orders in it's client return.

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.

Is there a ID tag for each market order? If so, could you cross reference the ID tags under "My Orders" with those in the list you are viewing in the market client side instead of going back to the server?

Probably doesn't work this way, but I figured every market order would probably have a unique ID for sanity.

I'll ask some server experts, but I'm guessing there is one order list that everyone gets, and it's going to add too much extra work on the server to be distributing different orders to the clients.

You mean I have to retrain all the racial battlecruisers now!!!

(Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+

Just kidding.

Love the changes and papercut projects.

Then, on a beautiful Sunday evening, when I had compiled a long list of your ideas (both from that thread and other threads) and prioritized it, I fired up the client and my awesome TextPad, and started trying out stuff to see how much work was needed to take the changes all the way.

source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=900548#post900548

In Team Avatar there are currently 4 programmers, 1 tester, and 1 game designer (actually EVE's Game Design Director), and a product owner (EVE's Creative Director). <..snip..>

In addition then the team, first and foremost CCP karkur, has been working on Little Things on the side, to improve players' experience. She has managed to get that extra work done on Sunday evenings and in between other tasks because she likes to do it and because players have asked for these things.

Do you mean in the menu of the items in the quickbar? If you do, then yes, when the folders and the items in them have been created in the quickbar, they are all the same.

But CCP karkur is going to consult with the server programmers on this request.

Sorting the asset page by the amount of stuff in any given station seems like a particularly bad idea to me. The whole idea of sorting is to present (obviously ordered) but consistent and predictable information that a person can effectively navigate. With this new method the presentation will be changing over time and not presented in any meaningful way to the human mind...I'd guess this will result in a lot more searches in the asset windows.

I know I'm late to the party, but it's fashionable.

One nark I currently have with the UI is linking 'show info' items to chats.

See my awesome picture: http://i.imgur.com/uoB8m.jpg

Beer at the next fanfest I attend for adding

I see where you are going... I actually want to be able to drag the image.

Nice blog, nice work. Thank you. Now on behalf of sticklers everywhere, will you please allow the Eve Mail system to display the Apostrophe correctly!

Well... the only thing that is changing with that is the now the list will be in descending order when you sort by "number of items", rather than ascending order . So if you like your assets sorted by "name", you are free to do that

He must be talking about how if you author an evemail in evegate the apostrophes don't come through to recipients as apostrophes but the html encoded equivalent.

could we get the date back on our clocks?

However, there was a new change that took place in Crucible. Aside from the awesome feature of seeing when our POS's run out of fuel, and the sexy new Neo-Com, something awful happened....we lost the date in the bottom left corner!!!! But wait...the time is still there....But in order to see the date, I have to open up the Calender!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we please have the option of showing the EVE date AND the time? I know you guys didn't think it was useful, but for some of us who live in other timezones it was quite handy.

I love the UI changes, but I too would like the date back. I read the post why it was removed and it doesn't make sense. Date is relevant given how many of us play outside of the timezone EVE is based in.

CCP karkur nice work don't know why you waited 4 and a helf years to do a blog

This proves that good things can come in small packages.

This proves that good things can come in small packages.

Hooray a devblog that doesn't cause repeated rage during reading, and even better actually has some nice changes in there too!

The only thing I'm not so keen on personally is changing the sort order of the assets screen, however I totally see why this is super great for many people, so why not change how the info is listed there? At present the System-(Moon)-Station-# Items-#jumps to location is one big long string pretty much as I just typed it, why not put these diferent bits of data into their own columns (like how most of the rest of the ui tends to be arranged when faced with diferent data like this), then we can sort by whichever set we like, to either find our largest piles of worthless junk/nearest anything/specific station because you know pretty much where it appears on the list already

WHAT! Why have I not known this before : (((
From now on I will shift click ALL THE THINGS!

OMG.

I've been playing this since 2007 and having to deal with one window at a time......

@CCP Karkur is there a chance we can get the market to open the default sub category for an item when viewing market details for it?

For example right clicking "view market details" on a warp disruptor II should navigate you to the "warp jammers" sub column when opening the market.

@CCP Karkur is there a chance we can get the market to open the default sub category for an item when viewing market details for it?

For example right clicking "view market details" on a warp disruptor II should navigate you to the "warp jammers" sub column when opening the market.

OMG.

I've been playing this since 2007 and having to deal with one window at a time......

Well, I was looking into something like that today, but then the dev blog came out so I stopped... it's on my wishlist

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66839&find=unread

now for shameless self promotion of a feature request

"the horrible ingame calculator"? CCP karkur is not going to like you for that...

PS: If you happen to get bored I'd LOVE the ability to see which market orders are mine in view market details... and then the ability to right click modify them directly from there.

CCP Optimal replied to this question earlier today and I will ask him and the UI designers to read that thread again tomorrow. Thanks

+¦ m+ª god!!... ORCACommander, you are dead to me!

(not really though )

I support the changes, the skill changes are not really necessary, but I understand that soon some players will run out of skills they can skill and that CCP needs to tacke this issue.

One question remains though, what will be the role of the supercaps? Right now they are like a combination of artillery and cavallery.

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.

The IDs under "My Orders" are only fetched when you actually open that tab (to reduce server calls, to reduce load, to prevent lag). So when you open the market the client doesn't have that information and in general we don't want to call the server asking for information that the player isn't necessarily going to use. But CCP karkur is going to consult with the server programmers on this request.

What about pulling back an order ID of some kind with the list of orders that can be correlated to the order ID of this capsuleer's orders client side?

First of all, awesome effort! I really appreciate little things like this!

But now you're iterating I've got a little suggestion:

When dragging fittings and now blueprints to the quickbar it gives a nice list of the requirements for that fit/job. However, it doesn't show the amount of modules/parts/minerals I need for it. This means that I still have to look up the fit/blueprint to find that out. Wasn't the point of these additions that I don't have to do that anymore?

Is it possible to put this information in the quickbar as well to ease the logistical strain?

Also, will this work for reactions as well as blueprints and fittings?

Let's also give a little love to Zagdul for suggesting it

The IDs under "My Orders" are only fetched when you actually open that tab (to reduce server calls, to reduce load, to prevent lag). So when you open the market the client doesn't have that information and in general we don't want to call the server asking for information that the player isn't necessarily going to use. But CCP karkur is going to consult with the server programmers on this request.

Awesome!

Though here are some thought:
- Rclick menus. Why do we have different options everywhere? Why not unify them? like try to send an evemail to a ceo/founder of a corp. When you are rclicking on the toon in the corp attributes you have no option to send him anything, that's a reduced menu. When you click showinfo and use the context menu on the upperleft corner, you can send him the mail, whatever. Why not having the complete menu when rclicking the toon on the attributes?
- Rclicks. Why can't i have the "find in contracts" on an item in the market quickbar? Why do i have to drag it to the chat channel, just to have that option?
- Why doesn't the GUI remembers my slot selection preferences? Like using a "same region" selector for a blueprint task, it always defaults to the "blueprint location" even when that's impossible to do, because the station doesn't have the lines, why the POS next to it, has.

highlight the market orders that are in your route.

- The right click menus should be the same (I think, the one on the corp ui is probably not working properly).
- I added proper menu to the quickbar items, so you should have "find in contracts" in those menus soon
- I just fixed the "blueprint location" thing, should be out on Tuesday

- I just fixed the "blueprint location" thing, should be out on Tuesday

Another example of this is the watchlist/fleet window - when I want to invite a fleet member to a conversation, I can't do it from either of these windows. I have to go to the fleet chat window, and search for them by name, then invite.

PS! Happy International Women's Day to all the women at CCP

Great work on the improvements. They look great.

But with regards to right-click menus... Would this be possible to implement without too much coding? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=762950#post762950

As someone who have (too) many chat chennels open, having the ability to get a channel MOTD posted again (without having to get a channel operator to post it again, having it displayed for everyone regardless of wether they want to see it or not) and the ability to clear the chatter in a channel (especialy Local, after leaving Jita/Amarr/Rens/Dodixie) would be much appreciated :)

Keep up the good work. Many little things makes for a lot of improvements


PS! Happy International Women's Day to all the women at CCP

Magic Crisp, your reference numbers are D# 54443 / CL 345126 / 2012.02.27. Keep them safe!

Oops, I lied a little bit. I was fixing this the other day, but it's not going out on Tuesday, sorry

Edit: Oops, I lied about lying... it is going out on Tuesday

The IDs under "My Orders" are only fetched when you actually open that tab (to reduce server calls, to reduce load, to prevent lag). So when you open the market the client doesn't have that information and in general we don't want to call the server asking for information that the player isn't necessarily going to use. But CCP karkur is going to consult with the server programmers on this request.

>>> Highlighting our own market orders,
so we can easily see them in tones of market orders no matter if you are in station or outside of it.
Finding and fixing sell orders was always harder, coz buy orders are green if you are in station the order is placed.

>>> DOUBLECLICK on market order, or SHIFT+CLICK in the wallet->orders window
would be the most beautiful gift for many of us! The order window is to check & fix the prices, so making there 'show info' on doubleclick is misunderstanding.

Good point.
Own orders ids could be fetched once - when the first market request go (and they are not fetched already), or when orders window is opened(like now). The difference is that client will fetch ids only when they are not fetched already.

If you will add order the id will be pushed onto ids stack.
Even if order will fulfill the id can be still stored in array coz nothing wrong will happen.

I dont know how exactly it works, but this could be extra 1 more query when you first open the market just after loading into the game. Next one will be taken like it is done now - by opening orders window or by placing order(we have to know new placed order id);

Best wishes for all fmale in universe (including me :p) and again thnx for good work Karkur!

PS - One other thing. I notice while I'm in wmhole space that after every update, the NPCs are no longer on my overview. This has happened with each patch over the past few months. Where should I report this? I do have filters and different tabs in place, so I figured this may be the reason.

When you're losing these NPCs from your overview, are you losing all your overview settings or is this the only thing that seems to be changing?

>>> Highlighting our own market orders,
so we can easily see them in tones of market orders no matter if you are in station or outside of it.
Finding and fixing sell orders was always harder, coz buy orders are green if you are in station the order is placed.

>>> DOUBLECLICK on market order, or SHIFT+CLICK in the wallet->orders window
would be the most beautiful gift for many of us! The order window is to check & fix the prices, so making there 'show info' on doubleclick is misunderstanding.

Recently a player on the forums discovered an awesome new tool, the Compare Tool. Well, it's actually been around for years, but I still managed to convince a few people that it was brand new, and tried to take all the credit for it. My friends in that thread asked for a shortcut for it, so a shortcut they get :) An optional button for the Neocom will be added soon when an icon for it has been made.

And when comes the Shortcut for the Fitting Management?

Alt+F and click Browse?

When you're losing these NPCs from your overview, are you losing all your overview settings or is this the only thing that seems to be changing?

This seems to be the only thing. I have to manually add all sleepers, whether frig, cruiser or tower.

On another note, it also seems to display certain things it shouldn't. On my "battle" overview, I have it set to only show people with neutral or negative standing, but last night I noticed that one of my corp mates was showing up in overview while the others were not. My other corp mates are mentioning some issues with the overview as well, but we haven't said anything at a length more than "Oh, mine is actin' weird, too. Would you focus fire, please?! kthx"

I'll make sure to keep some notes and then submit. Thank you for asking. =)

How about just letting us add all those NPCs the usual way with the overview settings!!

currently reload brings in new not the old crystals

Hi,


- you can NOT check the crystals damage unless you're undocked.

Thank you.

Untrue.

if you make a contract or go into repair the ship it will display how much damage is on them.

Ok... so... create a contract every time I want to check my crystals durability... good solution... **facepalm**

Now, I tried the repair ship. Couldn't see anything. Would you mind to give me a hint?

I didn't say it was a good solution, just that it wasn't impossible. :\

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.

Great work on the improvements. They look great.

But with regards to right-click menus... Would this be possible to implement without too much coding? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=762950#post762950

As someone who have (too) many chat chennels open, having the ability to get a channel MOTD posted again (without having to get a channel operator to post it again, having it displayed for everyone regardless of wether they want to see it or not) and the ability to clear the chatter in a channel (especialy Local, after leaving Jita/Amarr/Rens/Dodixie) would be much appreciated :)

Keep up the good work. Many little things makes for a lot of improvements


PS! Happy International Women's Day to all the women at CCP

to be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about