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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5499
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:13:00 -
[631] - Quote
Lord Aliventi wrote:These are terrible changes. Nerfs almost never fix anythings. Sure they do, especially compared to the alternatives.
You can either do nothing, thus not solving anything, or buffing everything, causing power-creep and even more balance issues, or you can nerf the one thing that's causing the problem. Of the three, the nerf is almost always the right thing to do.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Death2all Supercaps
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:13:00 -
[632] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:lelob which eo guy are you i can't remember
does it matter? All QQ look alike |
Lelob
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:14:00 -
[633] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:lelob which eo guy are you i can't remember
Posting with my main~ |
Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:14:00 -
[634] - Quote
I do like the unable to refit with aggression thing. It should really be a thing.
Also, someone give me their 'useless' Ragnarok pilot and the ship too, ok thanks~ Don't worry, I promise it'll die. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:15:00 -
[635] - Quote
Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery
65
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:17:00 -
[636] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.
If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:17:00 -
[637] - Quote
CynoNet Two wrote:Lelob wrote: Titans being purely anti-cap weapons seems somewhat useless outside of ganks, given the incredible rarity of capital fights in EVE right now. Especially when the side fielding caps and titans has traditionally been facing a blob of subcaps and not caps. At its core it not only shows CCP's ignorance of the metagame right now, but also of the fact that no serious attempts have been made to actively kill titans outside of ganks. Saying titans are imbalanced and need a nerf simply does not make sense, given the context in which the argument is being made.
Attempts to kill titans are made everyday. They usually conclude in a fashion similar to this, or this. I find it astonishing that you none of you realise that behaviour like this is what got your toys nerfed.
Please don't try to point out their cognitive dissonance to them, they are unable to comprehend it. Its cruel of you to do this. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:18:00 -
[638] - Quote
Michael Harari wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.
We can now that our support fleets aren't just going to be free killmails. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2597
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:19:00 -
[639] - Quote
Michael Harari wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.
Dominion's fighterbombers and capital popping doomsdays ensured that carriers are relegated into suicide triage platforms and dreads are, uh, docked. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
435
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:20:00 -
[640] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.
Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock?
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BioZvin
The Ankou Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:20:00 -
[641] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number. We can now that our support fleets aren't just going to be free killmails.
You don't have support fleets you have fleets, nothing to support cause then our Titans wouldn't be shooting at the support. Would be killing other caps..... |
Skrypt
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:21:00 -
[642] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. Unless this titan nerf has the unintended side effect of increasing capital usage, there isn't going to be very much blappage as dread fleets are pretty rare these days.
But keep sperging at your keyboard about it, because if you say it enough it'll be true. |
Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:21:00 -
[643] - Quote
Lelob wrote:CynoNet Two wrote:Lelob wrote: Titans being purely anti-cap weapons seems somewhat useless outside of ganks, given the incredible rarity of capital fights in EVE right now. Especially when the side fielding caps and titans has traditionally been facing a blob of subcaps and not caps. At its core it not only shows CCP's ignorance of the metagame right now, but also of the fact that no serious attempts have been made to actively kill titans outside of ganks. Saying titans are imbalanced and need a nerf simply does not make sense, given the context in which the argument is being made.
Attempts to kill titans are made everyday. They usually conclude in a fashion similar to this, or this. I find it astonishing that you none of you realise that behaviour like this is what got your toys nerfed. Throwing a bunch of subcaps at titans and expecting to win is not even close to being a serious attempt. Fielding a fleet of 200 dreads with carrier and super support would be a serious attempt, and is well within the capabilities of the CFC. I understand well enough why CCP thinks titans must be nerfed, but it is not because of any game-breaking aspects of the titan itself, but of the unwillingness of both actors to engage in a potentially costly capital fight when the results remain uncertain. As I said before, nobody will really know for certain if titans truly are imbalanced until a serious, concerted effort has been made to kill them.
Hahahaha.
So, what you are saying is that one side has to throw 200 years of skill training onto 50 years of skill training in order to be competitive?
You also realize that if anyone would organize anything like 200 dreads, other side would never show up?
******** theory crafting.
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Michael Harari
The Hatchery
65
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:21:00 -
[644] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:CynoNet Two wrote:Lelob wrote: Titans being purely anti-cap weapons seems somewhat useless outside of ganks, given the incredible rarity of capital fights in EVE right now. Especially when the side fielding caps and titans has traditionally been facing a blob of subcaps and not caps. At its core it not only shows CCP's ignorance of the metagame right now, but also of the fact that no serious attempts have been made to actively kill titans outside of ganks. Saying titans are imbalanced and need a nerf simply does not make sense, given the context in which the argument is being made.
Attempts to kill titans are made everyday. They usually conclude in a fashion similar to this, or this. I find it astonishing that you none of you realise that behaviour like this is what got your toys nerfed. Please don't try to point out their cognitive dissonance to them, they are unable to comprehend it. Its cruel of you to do this.
The killmails mean nothing. A haloed linked interceptor can be hit by titans. You have to actually be moving with some angular velocity for to mitigate damage. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2595
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:21:00 -
[645] - Quote
BioZvin wrote:Weaselior wrote:its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war. If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship. like when bob v1 suddenly lost its invulnerable posbowling titans and got crushed
maybe if you stopped basing your alliance around broken mechanics in obvious need of a nerf this wouldn't keep happening to you |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
724
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:21:00 -
[646] - Quote
Sapegu wrote:So,
How can a small alliance overpower a bigger alliance? If Biggest guns are nerfed... 1000 men Alliance cannot overpower 7000 men alliance... never!!
This game is not evoluting but being nerfed for goons pleasures...
Goons... you have the path clear to conquer EVE SOV...
CCP... WAKE UP!!!
CCP wants 1000 subscriptions, not 7000
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2597
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:22:00 -
[647] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock?
I doubt you'll have any problems locking carriers in triage and DDing them? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:22:00 -
[648] - Quote
BioZvin wrote:Weaselior wrote:its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war. If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship.
So, what you are saying is - there is nothing wrong with Titans?
Right?
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:22:00 -
[649] - Quote
BioZvin wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number. We can now that our support fleets aren't just going to be free killmails. You don't have support fleets you have fleets, nothing to support cause then our Titans wouldn't be shooting at the support. Would be killing other caps.....
That would be the ideal sure, if only it were reality. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:23:00 -
[650] - Quote
Oh wait it will be come April, ahaha. |
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Organa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:23:00 -
[651] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.
wrong the scan res part alone means that a capital can deagress and dock before a titan could lock it unless its using 4 officer sebos which severely impact its fit (4 non officer sebos wont cut it) |
BioZvin
The Ankou Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:23:00 -
[652] - Quote
just for the record The Ankou was never in bob, we have been in razor thou in an early incarnation |
Skrypt
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:24:00 -
[653] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:BioZvin wrote:Weaselior wrote:its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war. If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship. like when bob v1 suddenly lost its invulnerable posbowling titans and got crushed maybe if you stopped basing your alliance around broken mechanics in obvious need of a nerf this wouldn't keep happening to you Yeah, I agree. Anything that isn't a cookie-cutter fleet composition relying heavily on sheer numbers is terrible. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:24:00 -
[654] - Quote
Organa wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Lord Aliventi wrote: What role does CCP want for titans?
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest. wrong the scan res part alone means that a capital can deagress and dock before a titan could lock it unless its using 4 officer sebos which severely impact its fit (4 non officer sebos wont cut it)
Deaggress and dock? Why is your capital humping a station instead of attacking/defending a TCU or SBU or sitting in a POS? If you mean in lowsec, he he heheh ahah hahahahaha. |
Jin Nongmin
Chinese ISK Farmers
14
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:24:00 -
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prease to be rethink cccp! This terribre nerf!
before nef many chinese chirdren make mine 4 titan
buy many sack for rice
after nerf no mine 4 titan
sad orphan starve
preaes to not nerf titan chinese chirdren need eat 4 rice
prease to be buy titan 4 rice still after not nerf |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
435
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:25:00 -
[656] - Quote
Kazanir wrote: I think you would be surprised how many people on the "anti-supercap" side, including in Goonswarm, actually agree with this. Lots of "us" would love to see supercarriers and titans have well-defined and useful roles on the battlefield. It just can't be a role where the number of supercapitals you have ends up defining who wins the war every single time -- and so far, that has been the case ever since Dominion launched.
Right, but having the most sub caps is somehow a better way.
Right now both ways work, CCP are effectively removing any strategy that doesn't involve more numbers.
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warp to station
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:25:00 -
[657] - Quote
PLRAIDENNCDOT tears best tear
April Is Coming |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
36
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:25:00 -
[658] - Quote
Crakachunky wrote:okay so now fleet fights will work like this:
600 dudes meet 600 dudes, one side starts loosing and brings in carriers for reps, other side deploys dreads and carriers, other side now brings in supers to kill the caps, other side brings in supers and titans, everyone dies untill theres 1 dude in a rifter left
how fights work currently:
600 dudes meets 600 dues, one side brings in titans and wins
after this change escalation mechanics will actually work (titans are meant to be giant support ships and a last card play)
What game do you play? No one would every deploy dreads when theres 600 enemy support on the field and they certainly would not do it to kill triage carriers. Triage carriers get alpha'd in that fight. Whoever brings them is basically suiciding carriers (which is fine but it's not an effective use of a carrier).
Also in all my time playing EVE I've never seen a 'fair fight'. 600 vs 600 is mythical, someone will have 800 the other 400. If even numbers do occur, one of them will stand down because "it's just not worth it, we might lose".
EVE has always been about making the other guy commit thinking he will win.
I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Colonel O'Neill of STARGATE SG-1 knows more about PvP than me.
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:26:00 -
[659] - Quote
BioZvin wrote:just for the record The Ankou was never in bob, we have been in razor thou in an early incarnation
This won't put you in higher standing when we finish with your alliance; in April, heheh |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2600
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:26:00 -
[660] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.
Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock? its cute you think you're getting enough cormack's at any price |
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