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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:18:00 -
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Joker Deville wrote:Joker Deville wrote:This is amazing. I have finally resubbed with ALL my accounts (4 accounts) and will immediately get all my pilots into drakes to blob it up because PL can't **** with me anymore with their e-dicks.
I hope this nerf comes sooner than later or I will be tempted to unsub once again for 7-8 months. I hear there is a firesale in the SO section. Holy **** all those titans, I want one!
CCP: Making sure one ship fits one role, never letting one ship rule them all! Okay, I admit I have no idea what is going on but I hear that the glorious GoonSwarm Federation have succesfully made CCP understand how titans should really work and both the alliance and the company have collaborated towards achieving a mutual vision for how it should be as of now and acted accordingly. Cheers Joker Deville
Joker Deville for CSM |
Joker Deville
Accenture Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:19:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!
This is the problem: :words:
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Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:Achaiah7 wrote:The tears, they precious. I can haz your stuffs? You can't. Cos you can't fly it. Now go back into your drake. If I recall right, we relieved you of the burden of Nyx ownership. You replaced it, and lost a Nyx and Ragnarok shortly thereafter. HEH Your spies are dead and burried long time ago prolly. 1. I do post with my main 2. I never lost a titan. 3. I lost a Nyx cos mittani is a jerk and is using his CSM chairman position ( which is outside the game ) in the game to scam people. 3. I lost another Nyx trying to save my friend's titan. 3. I did replace one Nyx and bought 1 more titan and was aiming to get another 2. If they really nerf the titans, I won't buy another, of course. I will also stop most of my accounts and keep only 3-4. I have 12 now. CCP will be happy I suppose. 4. No, you can't have my stuff cos you simply don't have the skills to use most of my ships. Regarding the Titan nerf : If it gets to that, I think would be fair for us to have the skill points back to reallocate them into something useful and the isk spent on the titans as well ( market price not production price ). You lost the first Nyx because you're an idiot. You lost the other Nyx because you're an idiot who never realized that a triage carrier is a cheaper and more effective way to save a supercapital that is being attacked. You're an eBay moron - fyi, i can fly literally any ship you own, this is not my only character ;p
You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2664
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:20:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity
why don't you join PL about it lmao "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:20:00 -
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I'm not going to say titan tracking isn't/wasn't too good when fit specifically for tracking, because it is but posting killmails to make your point is just stupid. Killmails don't prove anything.
I can guarantee that if that Buzzard didn't mess up he wouldn't have died to a titan. All you need to maintain in a frigate sized ship vs a titan is 100-150m/s tranversal and you're golden up to ridiculous ranges where transversal is less of a factor.
But killmails don't show what transversal, what distance or if the buzzard was even moving at all. (I mean it was decloaked and locked by a titan for one thing, so he ****** up pretty hard)
Then you have the 'orbit the anchor at 5k' tactic, which will never work against multiple titans because depending on how many titans there are, you're going to have low transversal to them at some point and you're dead for sure. Or there's the "BURN AWAY/BURN OUT OF BUBBLES" tactic which gives you huge sig or worse yet almost 0m/s transversal depending on the direction you burn/move.
As with any size guns, you have to get UNDER their tracking, bringing in tengus or drakes at 50 orbiting an anchor is just a dumb idea anyway,.
I guess I should repeat that, yeah tracking is kind of great right now, but it really is the only consistent counter to vastly large amounts of subcaps right now so 'fixing it' creates problems too. |
Joker Deville
Accenture Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:21:00 -
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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:21:00 -
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Acwron wrote:
You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.
you sound mad |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2664
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:21:00 -
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Acwron wrote:You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.
I know that you lost a Nyx to a scam like a moron, and I know that you lost another Nyx trying to save a titan that was helplessly screwed. Poor eBay warrior. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!
This is the problem: Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal.
Goons can win when Raidendot doesn't drop 70 Titans.
Grath, guy, really.
Stop.
Come on. |
Machine Delta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!
This is the problem: Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal. Raiden is done, they're literally losing space and moons in the EU tz, despite outnumbering your supercap fleet. You beat them, admittedly Mittens hit the brakes hard on the campaign so it wouldn't look so obvious, but they're done effectively. What this means is that in the current game environment, people who spend a ton of money on hardware can compete with people whos main resource are warm bodies. This change won't change that, and thats why its infuriating. Its literally a change just for the sake of change, its ham handed, it physically fixes nothing at all. Thats what the retards in the thread seem not to grasp, all they see is somebody posting against the nerf and assume they're mad about the nerf because it gimps their toy. Thats not whats upsetting those of us with any form of game knowledge. Post change, Titans will still track BC's, BS, and shield tanked cruisers (poor onyx and broadswords) just like they do now, they'll hit just as hard, the only thing the change accomplishes is that the initial barrage comes about 20 seconds later than it comes now. The main point of argument here is that many of us see this as CCP trying to push the game towards numbers, the CFC of course cries that this isn't the case, though they would, as numbers are their primary arsenal. They in turn attack our primary arsenal against their blob calling it 'unfair' that we hold so much power. But when questioned about why having more people should be the deciding factor over more money, they don't really have an answer. They call the titans invincible and are shown active counters that work just fine, and when you ask them what the counter is to massive numbers they have fantastical stories about 1200 man fleets that sit around waiting to get hit by 200 bombers. The infuriating part is simply that this nerf doesn't DO anything to the titans against sub caps, it acutally HURTS them against caps, something the dev blog says at the outset they want the titans to be good against. Why change them at all until you're ready to roll out the complete package in a revamp? I mean hell, make it one of the primary concerns of the June expansion, fixing titans into a new complete role. Not nerfing uselessly for the sake of a nerf just to show people you you're doing something that you won't come back to for 2 years. This is effectively akin to CCP going "We don't like blobs, fleets are now limited to 50 members only, but we'll iterate on it later so that you can have our new vision of fleets, we don't know when, but we'll do it, we promise". You see, nothing would change really, its a bit more of a pain in the ass to basically achieve the same thing you have now.
Yeah but we get these GREAT crying effortposts from you out of this so I really am not seeing a downside here. |
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Win Sui
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:24:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!
This is the problem: Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal. Raiden is done, they're literally losing space and moons in the EU tz, despite outnumbering your supercap fleet. You beat them, admittedly Mittens hit the brakes hard on the campaign so it wouldn't look so obvious, but they're done effectively. What this means is that in the current game environment, people who spend a ton of money on hardware can compete with people whos main resource are warm bodies. This change won't change that, and thats why its infuriating. Its literally a change just for the sake of change, its ham handed, it physically fixes nothing at all. Thats what the retards in the thread seem not to grasp, all they see is somebody posting against the nerf and assume they're mad about the nerf because it gimps their toy. Thats not whats upsetting those of us with any form of game knowledge. Post change, Titans will still track BC's, BS, and shield tanked cruisers (poor onyx and broadswords) just like they do now, they'll hit just as hard, the only thing the change accomplishes is that the initial barrage comes about 20 seconds later than it comes now. The main point of argument here is that many of us see this as CCP trying to push the game towards numbers, the CFC of course cries that this isn't the case, though they would, as numbers are their primary arsenal. They in turn attack our primary arsenal against their blob calling it 'unfair' that we hold so much power. But when questioned about why having more people should be the deciding factor over more money, they don't really have an answer. They call the titans invincible and are shown active counters that work just fine, and when you ask them what the counter is to massive numbers they have fantastical stories about 1200 man fleets that sit around waiting to get hit by 200 bombers. The infuriating part is simply that this nerf doesn't DO anything to the titans against sub caps, it acutally HURTS them against caps, something the dev blog says at the outset they want the titans to be good against. Why change them at all until you're ready to roll out the complete package in a revamp? I mean hell, make it one of the primary concerns of the June expansion, fixing titans into a new complete role. Not nerfing uselessly for the sake of a nerf just to show people you you're doing something that you won't come back to for 2 years. This is effectively akin to CCP going "We don't like blobs, fleets are now limited to 50 members only, but we'll iterate on it later so that you can have our new vision of fleets, we don't know when, but we'll do it, we promise". You see, nothing would change really, its a bit more of a pain in the ass to basically achieve the same thing you have now.
As far as it goes the real problem here is the whole moon and SOV system. Sov should act like terrain, providing tactical options to accomplish strategic goals, much like a river or mountain pass does. Instead it's currently a pre-notified winner takes all fight that rewards getting there "Firstest with the mostest". Titans DID need changing, GeneralDisturbed's KB post clearly shows why, but until the underlying Sov problems are fixed it's all kind of waffling. Titans were the counter to blobs, now blobs are going to have an edge - it's all due to a badly thought out and badly implemented territory model.
That said, Titan tracking needed changing - blapping blackbirds and rifters is stupid.
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SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:SuperBeastie wrote:0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity why don't you join PL about it lmao
you're a idiot changing the game to who ever brings more subcaps wins is not any better than who bring more super caps. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2664
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.
I know that you lost a Nyx to a scam like a moron, and I know that you lost another Nyx trying to save a titan that was helplessly screwed. Poor eBay warrior.
it's not like vera cruz is known for their supercapital dominance anywhere "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2676
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:26:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Andski wrote:SuperBeastie wrote:0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity why don't you join PL about it lmao you're a idiot changing the game to who ever brings more subcaps wins is not any better than who bring more super caps.
look at the sad test publord crying about his shiny new titan getting a temporary nerfbat (( "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:26:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote: I guess I should repeat that, yeah tracking is kind of great right now, but it really is the only consistent counter to vastly large amounts of subcaps right now so 'fixing it' creates problems too.
The CFC didn't exist in the form it exists in now until you guys decided to follow Billymerc in a hare-brained supercap heavy assault on VFK. Throwing 2000 people at that problem was the escalation counter. You adapted your titan fits to counter 2000 people.
Maybe next time don't force the issue and cause us to have to make lots of friends, because we're quite good at it. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
336
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:27:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Andski wrote:SuperBeastie wrote:0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity why don't you join PL about it lmao you're a idiot changing the game to who ever brings more subcaps wins is not any better than who bring more super caps.
You seem really mad about this.
Should I get into jabber at work and troll you and your kin about it some more?
I mean, I spent 3 hours doing it today, including widotters and even other goons who are mentally ******** and think that their space pixels are more important than our subcap fleets.
Just say the word~ |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
336
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:28:00 -
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Guys, they have more friends than me |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
336
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:28:00 -
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Nerf friends |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2676
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:29:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Andski wrote:SuperBeastie wrote:0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity why don't you join PL about it lmao you're a idiot changing the game to who ever brings more subcaps wins is not any better than who bring more super caps.
TEST is known far and wide for never using numbers to their advantage anywhere ever "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:30:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Nerf friends nerf life :( |
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GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:
Nobody wants titans to be POS ornaments, not even the CFC.
Did you not pay attention to the fact that there is an entire EXPANSION coming up focused on warfare?
Awesome, so you agree this nerfbat is not needed and that everything will be sorted out in this next expansion, titans and subcaps blobs being unstopable and sov mechanics being ****.
Its kind of funny that Im arguing for the balancing of titan tracking (in a reasonable manner, till the Warfare patch hits where we all count on CCP to make things right again) the way Goonswarm member suggested but other members keep trying to argue against it.
If you would really be against titans being useless you would want hotfix that doesnt makes them completely terrible while we wait for that next expansion, sadly this hotfix isnt that and many members of your alliance and powerblock acknowledged that in this thread but you and others like you just seem to see stuff in black and white. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
336
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:31:00 -
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GreGh Rakrot wrote:Andski wrote:
Nobody wants titans to be POS ornaments, not even the CFC.
Did you not pay attention to the fact that there is an entire EXPANSION coming up focused on warfare?
Awesome, so you agree this nerfbat is not needed and that everything will be sorted out in this next expansion, titans and subcaps blobs being unstopable and sov mechanics being ****. Its kind of funny that Im arguing for the balancing of titan tracking (in a reasonable manner, till the Warfare patch hits where we all count on CCP to make things right again) the way Goonswarm member suggested but other members keep trying to argue against it. If you would really be against titans being useless you would want hotfix that doesnt makes them completely terrible while we wait for that next expansion, sadly this hotfix isnt that and many members of your alliance and powerblock acknowledged that in this thread but you and others like you just seem to see stuff in black and white.
lmbo |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:32:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys, they have more friends than me
u have frends l0l |
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:33:00 -
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Eve shouldn't just be about having a bigger blob! The only counter to titans should be having more titans! |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
443
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:34:00 -
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Win Sui wrote:
That said, Titan tracking needed changing - blapping blackbirds and rifters is stupid.
Blackbirds will still get blapped after this change.
Courthouse wrote:Dez Affinity wrote: I guess I should repeat that, yeah tracking is kind of great right now, but it really is the only consistent counter to vastly large amounts of subcaps right now so 'fixing it' creates problems too.
The CFC didn't exist in the form it exists in now until you guys decided to follow Billymerc in a hare-brained supercap heavy assault on VFK. Throwing 2000 people at that problem was the escalation counter. You adapted your titan fits to counter 2000 people. Maybe next time don't force the issue and cause us to have to make lots of friends, because we're quite good at it.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Yea, goons never blobbed before we attacked VFK guys, you heard it here first.
You must be new around here.
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baltec1
807
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:38:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Yea, goons never blobbed before we attacked VFK guys, you heard it here first.
You must be new around here.
You talk like blobs have never happened before and are some sort of unstoppable wave of doom. |
Ninevite
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
18
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:38:00 -
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CCP said a long time ago that they planned to nerf supercaps\titans and they were disappointed by seeing how many of these ships were out there already. Don't get why people are surprised this happened
Goons (while I dislike them) have played it smart and aligned themselves with CCP's vision. You idiots are bitching that Mittani controls CCP just because he is the CSM Chair; how naive are you? Seriously? It's more like Goon leadership actually listened to CCP talk about the future of this game, and have positioned their alliance to take advance of changing game mechanics. |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:41:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Win Sui wrote:
That said, Titan tracking needed changing - blapping blackbirds and rifters is stupid.
Blackbirds will still get blapped after this change.
Then why the **** have you been crying all here and kugu for the last 4 hours. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:42:00 -
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Ishen Villone wrote:Eve shouldn't just be about having a bigger blob! The only counter to titans should be having more titans!
Aren't you paying attention? The counter to titans is to feed them 200 dread kills to kill a couple of titans. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.
I know that you lost a Nyx to a scam like a moron, and I know that you lost another Nyx trying to save a titan that was helplessly screwed. Poor eBay warrior.
Oh Lord, EBay warrior...I'm not banned yet ! You know why? I'll let you do the research, wise ass....
Eve is not real...if it was real, mitanni would be in jail, having a girlfriend named John the Butcher 2m and 120kg black guy whooping his ass daily.
Eve is not real. |
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