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GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:59:00 -
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https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623314 Oh wait. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623239 Oh... Oh no. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/621694 Titans can't hit small ships. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625987 That looks like a drake. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625956 Clearly a dual LSE large sigged drake. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625985 :ohdear: https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625893 Oh oh god. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629988 Look at all the LSE's on that drake. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/629987 Another one of those drakes. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/623437 No Problem At All.
Reposting these killmails for the titan thread. Anybody who cares enough can also hit the battles button for those kills, and see where fleets of hundreds were wiped out by 40 titans, while the titan group took generally 0 losses.
Anybody in this thread who thinks there wasn't a problem with titans has never spent a week having every single fight end with a titan blob being cyno'd in on your head the second you burn all the way over to wherever you're fighting, and hit grid. And being told to immediately turn around and go home, because there is nothing a subcap fleet can do to a titan blob but die as fast as the titans can cycle their guns.
Remember when they decided to park a small group of titans on a gate and just camp it with them, killing anything that came through? Yeah, no problem at all with titans. |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
479
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:00:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Powers Sa wrote: You mean when we lose half a fleet and they reship?
No i mean when you filled 4 fleets full of drakes and then charged into the waiting guns of 34 titans. And yet here we are, several weeks later with titan guns being nerfed. Odd coincidence isn't that?
Grath Telkin wrote: The 5 scan res is dumb, as it allows even regular caps to escape titans now, they can easily either warp off, jump out or dock up, its absurd that any ship class in eve would take 15 seconds to lock itself.
Hi my name is Moros. When I fit 2 sensor boosters and enter siege mode it takes me approximately 14 seconds to lock myself.
Being a Moros, I use that time to suck myself off, because Morososoeses are just that good.
Grath Telkin wrote: The single most bothering thing about the nerf is the idea it represents. It is essentially CCP's way of saying you either get your own fleet of 1200 dudes or you can't compete, end of discussion.
1200 dudes aren't a single ship class. You don't nerf 1200 dudes by tweaking their tracking or fiddling their scan res. If you'd have said 1200 Maelstroms, 1200 tengus, or 1200 lolcats (whatever your FOTM fit is) you may have had a point here in that a certain class of ship was overpowered. Instead you're comparing motivations of players to the effectiveness of expensive ships. You're comparing apples to oranges. The tools already exist ingame to counter different groups of players in the form of spying, politics, attacks on morale, market manipulation and other metagaming.
Do me this little favour. Go stand in front of a mirror and read these words alound, just once: "If 1200 people want to shoot me, personally... what could I have possibly done to **** them off and motivate them that much?"
(hint: it's to do with titans) |
Pharon Reichter
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:00:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote:Pharon Reichter wrote: make subcaps only be able to shoot pos mods This sounds pretty fun. I love fleet fights vs anchored opponents.
You'd have to bring down that cyno-jammer to bring the caps in. And dreads would really get thir role back - shooting structures. And no - subcap role wouldnt be to shoot structures just like you say supercaps role isn't to shoot subcaps. |
Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:00:00 -
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Dear CCP Peligro, What was that you said? I told you so |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:01:00 -
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Pharon Reichter wrote: As people get from pube status to maturity they learn that best way to deal with things is to set them right from the first time.
Goonswarm Federation will proudly display pube status in this thread. I can't say that CCP won't ban us all though. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2656
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:02:00 -
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Pharon Reichter wrote:Ganthrithor wrote:Pharon Reichter wrote: make subcaps only be able to shoot pos mods This sounds pretty fun. I love fleet fights vs anchored opponents. You'd have to bring down that cyno-jammer to bring the caps in.
Not if you're in Ev0ke! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:What am i dropping on them with, I can only field 200 guys
You might have to open your recruitment beyond "anybody with a supercap". Like I've been saying, this will be the "Numbers are all that matter" patch
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average! |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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Also, Grath, you need to calm down dude. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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I know you're always mad, but really we do love you. |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:
So Titans can't hit MWD drakes with the signature of carriers flying in a ball (orbiting an anchor) that is keeping range when their transversal hits zero, because geometry failed me, but your enlightening post has cleared it all up.
Thanks!
If your range from your target is maintained throughout your orbit of the anchor, your trans never hits 0. i don't think you'll be able to get through to this one
you guys are both ******* idiots learn to read if you are anchored on someone other than the guy shooting at you there are 2 points in the orbit where you have 0 trans.
By making this change you are actually hurting the alliances who actually have the balls to field their 100b isk ships. The cfc has at least 2 times the super capital numbers as raiden. The problem is we don't have the balls to lose some killing all of theirs. |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
443
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:04:00 -
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CynoNet Two wrote: The tools already exist ingame to counter different groups of players in the form of spying, politics, attacks on morale, market manipulation and other metagaming.
Odd, are you suggesting somehow those same counters aren't effective against supercaps?? What makes those tactics work better against sub caps.
While Im staring at a mirror, are you asking yourself what you did to make 100 titans want to shoot you?
(hint: its the blob)
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Machine Delta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:04:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Machine Delta wrote:
Dodging the question. I see how it is.
Hey, your alliance ignores whole classes of ship, I can ignore your question that ignores what I've said if i want to.
Show us where we've done so?
We've offered viable counters besides "BRING MORE PEOPLE" which are the words you're forcing into our mouths.
When we've offered this counter your reply is "Yeah but what would you do if that 1200 man support fleet was sitting in a pos while supers did the work".
That's not really a tactic we've had to worry about. We haven't gone around bluing up half the galaxy to get super fleets to do heavy lifting for us unlike some entities.
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Thodoros
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:05:00 -
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Hell, its about time! Now i am certain i be able to buy a Titan with my ISK!
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
332
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:06:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Charles Case wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:
So Titans can't hit MWD drakes with the signature of carriers flying in a ball (orbiting an anchor) that is keeping range when their transversal hits zero, because geometry failed me, but your enlightening post has cleared it all up.
Thanks!
If your range from your target is maintained throughout your orbit of the anchor, your trans never hits 0. i don't think you'll be able to get through to this one you guys are both ******* idiots learn to read if you are anchored on someone other than the guy shooting at you there are 2 points in the orbit where you have 0 trans. By making this change you are actually hurting the alliances who actually have the balls to field their 100b isk ships. The cfc has at least 2 times the super capital numbers as raiden. The problem is we don't have the balls to lose some killing all of theirs.
Hello Bad Poster of Test Alliance Please Ignore.
The door is over there. Please excuse yourself.
Good day. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:06:00 -
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This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:06:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:CynoNet Two wrote: The tools already exist ingame to counter different groups of players in the form of spying, politics, attacks on morale, market manipulation and other metagaming.
Odd, are you suggesting somehow those same counters aren't effective against supercaps?? What makes those tactics work better against sub caps. While Im staring at a mirror, are you asking yourself what you did to make 100 titans want to shoot you? ( hint: its the fact that we blued literally everyone else in the universe and you're the only people left to shoot) fyp |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:07:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages.
no **** then people would finally get a clue what the argument should be about.
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baltec1
807
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:08:00 -
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If this keeps up I will have to convert my megathron for underwater use! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2658
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:09:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:By making this change you are actually hurting the alliances who actually have the balls to field their 100b isk ships. The cfc has at least 2 times the super capital numbers as raiden. The problem is we don't have the balls to lose some killing all of theirs.
someone doesn't understand timezone dominance! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
332
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:09:00 -
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But guys my pixels cost more than your pixels so I should win!!!!!! |
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Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:09:00 -
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So many tears, so much pain. So delicious.
For all of you who think "THIS NERF AM HOORIBLE, NOW WE NEED MORE PEOPLE!" don't get it.
This is what we've always wanted in the GSF. This is what CCP sold us on all these years. Have you all forgotten this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1
Look at it. Look at it, you damned morons. Thousands of ships engaged in a massive fight for a system. Thousands. Capital ships by the dozens with supercaps in support, in space filled with so many subcapitals that you can't see through them. Working together in coordinated fleets. Smaller ships combining their power to take on larger ones. Destruction and death in epic scale.
This is the game we were promised when we subscribed!
What part of the word massively in the term "massively multiplayer online game" don't you get?
We were not told we would have a game where a handful of risk-averse "1337" jerks who botted their way into giant e-peens would be able to blow up anything and everything with impunity, used by players who hypocritically claim to be about "good fites" when it only means to fight when you have more powerful ships than everyone else. Blathering about "honour" while treating new players with contempt and using all their resources to get even more giant space wangs instead of actually helping them to make the more tedious aspects of the game (and they are legion) unnecessary.
You whine and moan and call us griefers when we're playing the game CCP wants us to play, hold your breath until you turn blue, then stamp your feet and threaten to take your ball away and go home. Feel free. Be my guest and don't let the door hit you on the gluteals on the way out.
I'm going to stick around and play the game I was offered in the first place. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Someday, this signature may save my life. |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
479
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:11:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:CynoNet Two wrote: The tools already exist ingame to counter different groups of players in the form of spying, politics, attacks on morale, market manipulation and other metagaming.
Odd, are you suggesting somehow those same counters aren't effective against supercaps?? What makes those tactics work better against sub caps. While Im staring at a mirror, are you asking yourself what you did to make 100 titans want to shoot you? ( hint: its the blob) Similar answer to both questions:
We've been meta-gaming to get titans nerfed since forever, and We successfully meta-gamed to get titans nerfed, thus countering them.
You seriously didn't think something was up with us feeding the elite PVP crowd constant drake kills for a month? Silly t1 goonies lololollol
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GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:11:00 -
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Koby Botick wrote:GreGh Rakrot wrote: Changes to titans ? Ofc, but do it in proper way (preferably with drastic sov change mechanics).
If you actually read the OP from Greyscale you will find that he said that they want to do a big overhaul, but they can't do it now. If you read between the lines, you can read that they have to step in now with a quick fix, because abuse of tracking titans has become too widespread and can no longer be ignored.
If you would acctualy read what I said you would see I am talking about greater picture here where titans wouldnt be needed to counter massive fleets since they wouldnt exist. What the dev in OP is talking about is greater overhaul of titans only. The thing is titan fleets are a response to what existed before, huge fleets that can only be countered with better hardware by those that dont have same numbers. Thats why I quoted your alliance member who seems to understand the issue. Hotfix would be what he suggested, what CCP is doing is plain out nerf bat without much thought of the consequences.
Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game. |
Joker Deville
Accenture Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:12:00 -
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This is amazing. I have finally resubbed with ALL my accounts (4 accounts) and will immediately get all my pilots into drakes to blob it up because PL can't **** with me anymore with their e-dicks.
I hope this nerf comes sooner than later or I will be tempted to unsub once again for 7-8 months. I hear there is a firesale in the SO section. Holy **** all those titans, I want one!
CCP: Making sure one ship fits one role, never letting one ship rule them all! |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:14:00 -
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GreGh Rakrot wrote: Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game.
Yeah, and Raidendot's answer for that is to back Elise Randolph for CSM. Think on that for a bit. |
Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:15:00 -
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I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2664
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:15:00 -
[957] - Quote
GreGh Rakrot wrote:Koby Botick wrote:GreGh Rakrot wrote: Changes to titans ? Ofc, but do it in proper way (preferably with drastic sov change mechanics).
If you actually read the OP from Greyscale you will find that he said that they want to do a big overhaul, but they can't do it now. If you read between the lines, you can read that they have to step in now with a quick fix, because abuse of tracking titans has become too widespread and can no longer be ignored. If you would acctualy read what I said you would see I am talking about greater picture here where titans wouldnt be needed to counter massive fleets since they wouldnt exist. What the dev in OP is talking about is greater overhaul of titans only. The thing is titan fleets are a response to what existed before, huge fleets that can only be countered with better hardware by those that dont have same numbers. Thats why I quoted your alliance member who seems to understand the issue. Hotfix would be what he suggested, what CCP is doing is plain out nerf bat without much thought of the consequences. Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game.
Nobody wants titans to be POS ornaments, not even the CFC.
Did you not pay attention to the fact that there is an entire EXPANSION coming up focused on warfare? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Joker Deville
Accenture Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:16:00 -
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Joker Deville wrote:This is amazing. I have finally resubbed with ALL my accounts (4 accounts) and will immediately get all my pilots into drakes to blob it up because PL can't **** with me anymore with their e-dicks.
I hope this nerf comes sooner than later or I will be tempted to unsub once again for 7-8 months. I hear there is a firesale in the SO section. Holy **** all those titans, I want one!
CCP: Making sure one ship fits one role, never letting one ship rule them all!
Okay, I admit I have no idea what is going on but I hear that the glorious GoonSwarm Federation have succesfully made CCP understand how titans should really work and both the alliance and the company have collaborated towards achieving a mutual vision for how it should be as of now and acted accordingly.
Cheers
Joker Deville |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
443
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:16:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!
This is the problem:
Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal.
Raiden is done, they're literally losing space and moons in the EU tz, despite outnumbering your supercap fleet.
You beat them, admittedly Mittens hit the brakes hard on the campaign so it wouldn't look so obvious, but they're done effectively.
What this means is that in the current game environment, people who spend a ton of money on hardware can compete with people whos main resource are warm bodies.
This change won't change that, and thats why its infuriating. Its literally a change just for the sake of change, its ham handed, it physically fixes nothing at all.
Thats what the retards in the thread seem not to grasp, all they see is somebody posting against the nerf and assume they're mad about the nerf because it gimps their toy. Thats not whats upsetting those of us with any form of game knowledge.
Post change, Titans will still track BC's, BS, and shield tanked cruisers (poor onyx and broadswords) just like they do now, they'll hit just as hard, the only thing the change accomplishes is that the initial barrage comes about 20 seconds later than it comes now.
The main point of argument here is that many of us see this as CCP trying to push the game towards numbers, the CFC of course cries that this isn't the case, though they would, as numbers are their primary arsenal. They in turn attack our primary arsenal against their blob calling it 'unfair' that we hold so much power. But when questioned about why having more people should be the deciding factor over more money, they don't really have an answer. They call the titans invincible and are shown active counters that work just fine, and when you ask them what the counter is to massive numbers they have fantastical stories about 1200 man fleets that sit around waiting to get hit by 200 bombers.
The infuriating part is simply that this nerf doesn't DO anything to the titans against sub caps, it acutally HURTS them against caps, something the dev blog says at the outset they want the titans to be good against.
Why change them at all until you're ready to roll out the complete package in a revamp? I mean hell, make it one of the primary concerns of the June expansion, fixing titans into a new complete role. Not nerfing uselessly for the sake of a nerf just to show people you you're doing something that you won't come back to for 2 years.
This is effectively akin to CCP going "We don't like blobs, fleets are now limited to 50 members only, but we'll iterate on it later so that you can have our new vision of fleets, we don't know when, but we'll do it, we promise". You see, nothing would change really, its a bit more of a pain in the ass to basically achieve the same thing you have now.
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SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:17:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages.
0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity |
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