I don't think anyone who has flown a titan in combat can argue that the ship is not currently overpowered in combat when used in great numbers, just like no one could seriously argue about AOD DDs when they started to be used in 3+3 scale every 10 minutes

Of course, same goes for every ship in eve -- when used in great numbers, but Supercapitals certainly show this curve more often on the field

So I'm extremely happy that you state that the ship needs a role change - last time we were campaigning for AOD DD change -- this was exactly what a lot of us were asking for

But that was 3 years ago

I am therefore rather dissapointed that what we, the community at large, have been asking for a very long time is rather haphazardly brushed off as something that "will be looked at long term" with a surgical change that SCREAMS of a kneejerk reaction without really providing us with much to go on here to see your vision or have comfort you are going to do something in the long term for the "end game" ship in EVE

And forgive me for saying this -- but you have not always had a great track record of revisiting changes you've made in the past as surgical adjustments. Thus I feel like pressing a bit harder on the high level thoughts that have lead you to make this current fix

What is your intended role for Titan with this change on TQ today?

How will you evaluate if your changes implemented will match up with that role on the TQ combat field in this release? For example -- as far as I can see -- a large group of titans will still obliterate a large group of battleships/drakes -- all you've delayed is the first hit and require more micromanagement in making sure the lock queue is evenly spaced out

Given how large fights today unfold on TQ -- how do you see this ship fulfilling your intended role on heavily TiDi systems with the sig change

What is your future vision, even at high level, for the Titan ship class? Will it remain a combat asset or are you looking and overhauling it for something else (personally btw I've argued for the last 4 years that titans should NOT be a combat ship at all, but rather a massive alliance level asset for logistics/cloning/staging/etc)

What assurances can you offer us this change will not remain a permanent fixture for the long term?

With the combat ability of this ship being "surgically adjusted", would you be even willing to look at for example increasing the jump range of the ship to balance the change

And lastly -- are you going to allow those pilots who wish to wait for your stated longer term role adjustments to GM-dock their ship until such a time that this change is no longer a surgical measure in order to still utilize the account/character for combat in EVE?

The amount of neutral PL/Raiden alts in this thread, desperately clinging to the entitled notion that they should be allowed to fly around in unkillable ships because they paid a little more isk, is amazing. When every other ship in the game can be killed by subcaps, but you drop titans and suddenly subcaps are meaningless. If 1600 people show up to take someone's space, and they can only field 200 guys, then THEY DO NOT DESERVE THAT SPACE. This is how the world works. You should not magically be allowed to pick space and control it because you can stick 50 guys into a super ship, and stand it up to 1600 people.

Someone did not get the joke? :)

Based on simple geometry, at some point in your orbit of the anchor you will have a transversal of ZERO (or close enough to call it zero) and the signature radius of a carrier.

We're telling you right now, these changes will not stop blapping and people will still cry about it. All that will happen at the moment is it will delay how long it takes titans to start shooting stuff.

This is actually somewhat true. Strong drop does adjust things back to a broken state.

This is actually somewhat true. Strong drop does adjust things back to a broken state.

Then you must agree that these changes will still leave us with a broken ship, I don't see the point in making changes until CCP defines the role they want this ship to fill.

Ok lets talk fair, why should a sub cap even be able to damage a Titan... if you NEEDED to field capitals to hurt titans this might not be so bad. But you want to be able to kill them and hold them down. Without ever risking anything yourself, like your own cap fleet....

Then you must agree that these changes will still leave us with a broken ship, I don't see the point in making changes until CCP defines the role they want this ship to fill.

OMG, really? You are really, really disturbed son.
So we paid a little more iskie...just a little. A LITTLE ?
You come with 1600 maels and wanna kill 50 titans?

Man, I'd like to have what this guy smoked, seems to be good shite.

Realtalk:

Every single titan nerf has been to reduce their effectiveness towards subcaps. Titans on paper are actually not designed to hit subcaps for ****, it's only when you get a bunch that it's nearly impossible to maintain transversal from them all. **** they have dread guns on them and their drones were taken away, what about these things suggest they were designed as anti subcap platforms? I just don't understand this reasoning. Sure you've been taking advantage of their inability to balance these things vs subcaps properly but being an anti blob weapon clearly wasn't their intent by design and now we have them on record confirming this is the case.

I'll take a bandaid over what we have now.

Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.

Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please?