Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: GO MaZ

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Originally by: Selindra Lavaris

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CCP: Nerf MWD's more please, In my opinion MWD's are meant to get you to and from a battle fast, you aren't supposed to be fighting at MWD speeds

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There are only a couple of nano ships that can engage effectively on mwd, since they dont suffer from tracking: crow, ishtar, curse, cerberus, sacrilege, flycatcher.

All the other ships have to drop speed to put any damage on a target

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stop answering the alts gomez

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: Avon

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losing their I-WIN button.

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If you think nanos are the I-WIN button, you may consider using them to take a station system up north, as nothing else you do seems to be working very well.

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Originally by: alterist

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: GO MaZ

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Originally by: Selindra Lavaris

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CCP: Nerf MWD's more please, In my opinion MWD's are meant to get you to and from a battle fast, you aren't supposed to be fighting at MWD speeds

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There are only a couple of nano ships that can engage effectively on mwd, since they dont suffer from tracking: crow, ishtar, curse, cerberus, sacrilege, flycatcher.

All the other ships have to drop speed to put any damage on a target

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stop answering the alts gomez

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Dungar Loghoth july 2004 to july 2008 - 331 kills 88 losses

Do you really consider yourself qualified to judge others opinions about pvp?.

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Originally by: Ed Kraka

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THIS IS BULL**** NANO FLEETS ARE NOT INVULNERABLE YOU JUST NEED THE SKILL AND KNOW HOW TO STOP THEM..


THIS IS A BUFF FOR ALL THE WHINGING CAREBEARS THAT JOINED FACTION WARFARE AND CRIED COS THEY COULDNT HIT SH*T.

ITS DISGUSTING THAT CCP IS EVEN THINKING OF NERFING EVERYTHING THAT GOES FAST. DISGUSTING!

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Originally by: Tani Hasegawa

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Edited by: Tani Hasegawa on 25/07/2008 19:50:59
Yeap. Lets nerf nano, the nano fights was too intense to be in, one mistake and you are down. The heart beats too much while you are fighting in a nano ship ( Freaking expensive and at same time fragile ), you have to prove how good you really are to not die, i cant take it anymore.

Im noob. Lets go back to: Lock Target -> Aproach -> F1-F8, way of battle, its more simple, the one with more SkillPoints wins, and now i will be able to kill something... It is too hard to keep looking for transversal velocity, check the overview for rapiers/huggins/curses/ceptors with webs, tactical overlay to not fly throgh one of them.. argh, so many things to think in a fight, NO NO NO, i cant !!! im noooob!

Its gonna be an awesome patch for noobs like me... Go go go CCP, i love you =) cant wait to sit in my drake, lock a nano ship and pwn him only pressing F1-F8 and doing nothing else... wEEEEE, im sooooo happy...

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Originally by: GO MaZ

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Edited by: GO MaZ on 25/07/2008 18:38:44

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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ECM and ECM Bust > Remote rep.

Also remote rep without ECM is easy to beat. Only the primary or secondary gets remote repped. Just pick off people outside remote rep range etc. Remote rep ships lack damagemods etc. Very vurnerable to competent fleets. In fact, some of the top pvp alliances never use remote rep.

Oh Wait, that means you have to look at the battlefield tactically insted of firing MWD?

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ITT: Someone tells shadoo about remote rep.


P.S. dear god you're stupid

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Originally by: Zoraya Rouge

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Yes I'm an alt

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Comparison Chart. - Remade the ones in the devblog and put both charts into one :)

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Originally by: Tani Hasegawa

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Edited by: Tani Hasegawa on 25/07/2008 19:50:59
Yeap. Lets nerf nano, the nano fights was too intense to be in, one mistake and you are down. The heart beats too much while you are fighting in a nano ship ( Freaking expensive and at same time fragile ), you have to prove how good you really are to not die, i cant take it anymore.

Im noob. Lets go back to: Lock Target -> Aproach -> F1-F8, way of battle, its more simple, the one with more SkillPoints wins, and now i will be able to kill something... It is too hard to keep looking for transversal velocity, check the overview for rapiers/huggins/curses/ceptors with webs, tactical overlay to not fly throgh one of them.. argh, so many things to think in a fight, NO NO NO, i cant !!! im noooob!


Its gonna be an awesome patch for noobs like me... Go go go CCP, i love you =) cant wait to sit in my drake, lock a nano ship and pwn him only pressing F1-F8 and doing nothing else... wEEEEE, im sooooo happy...

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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 25/07/2008 19:56:54

Originally by: GO MaZ

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Edited by: GO MaZ on 25/07/2008 18:38:44

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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ECM and ECM Bust > Remote rep.

Also remote rep without ECM is easy to beat. Only the primary or secondary gets remote repped. Just pick off people outside remote rep range etc. Remote rep ships lack damagemods etc. Very vurnerable to competent fleets. In fact, some of the top pvp alliances never use remote rep.

Oh Wait, that means you have to look at the battlefield tactically insted of firing MWD?

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ITT: Someone tells shadoo about remote rep.


P.S. dear god you're stupid

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Nope. Learn to adapt. Eve is about evolving. If you do not adapt, you die.

Anti-remote rep tactics are very good. Remember how you used to tell people to "use brain to beat nano"? Well, use brain to beat remote rep.

Remote rep ships have low damage, some lack even full set of turrets. Remote rep range is less than web range making RR gangs inflexible and sitting ducks if your fleet/gang uses tactics. You can ECM/Dampen them. Bump them out of rep range. You an trick them into repping primary and secondary while you switch to attacking another target.

You can attack remote repping gangs by attacking everybody. You can use HEAVY NEUTS. No Cap = no remote rep (yeah remember how you lot used to say the same stuff to nano victims?).

You can also spread fire over several targets which breaks remote rep chains easaly. Remote rep gangs are complete rubbish currently, used mostly by people who lack tactics.

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Originally by: alterist

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Originally by: Zen Tao

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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But its not the only way to fight blobs outnumbered. We have been doing this for years.

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This: BE ( may they die a thousand deaths ) have been using non-standard fits for years with great sucess.

Just because the ultimate cookie cutter fit in the history of eve is now nerfed doesnt mean you can't use small gangs - u just have to use your head first...

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BE do not fight blobs they cloak until it is reduced to a more manageable number and they never jump through gates in a large camp. They are a virtual fixed position unless a route to another system is clear.

That is not to say that there style is not effective against numbers some what greater than their own or that their innovative style does not produce good stats, but against a blob they are not effective in the least.

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Areo Hotah

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I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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Originally by: Lee ChanKa

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Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 25/07/2008 19:58:53

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 25/07/2008 19:56:54

Originally by: GO MaZ

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Edited by: GO MaZ on 25/07/2008 18:38:44

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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ECM and ECM Bust > Remote rep.

Also remote rep without ECM is easy to beat. Only the primary or secondary gets remote repped. Just pick off people outside remote rep range etc. Remote rep ships lack damagemods etc. Very vurnerable to competent fleets. In fact, some of the top pvp alliances never use remote rep.

Oh Wait, that means you have to look at the battlefield tactically insted of firing MWD?

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ITT: Someone tells shadoo about remote rep.


P.S. dear god you're stupid

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Nope. Learn to adapt. Eve is about evolving. If you do not adapt, you die.

Anti-remote rep tactics are very good. Remember how you used to tell people to "use brain to beat nano"? Well, use brain to beat remote rep.

Remote rep ships have low damage, some lack even full set of turrets. Remote rep range is less than web range making RR gangs inflexible and sitting ducks if your fleet/gang uses tactics. You can ECM/Dampen them. Bump them out of rep range. You an trick them into repping primary and secondary while you switch to attacking another target.

You can attack remote repping gangs by attacking everybody. You can use HEAVY NEUTS. No Cap = no remote rep (yeah remember how you lot used to say the same stuff to nano victims?).

You can also spread fire over several targets which breaks remote rep chains easaly. Remote rep gangs are complete rubbish currently, used mostly by people who lack tactics.

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yes mister smart go wiyth RR BS gang in some hostile region 20 or 30 or 50 of you then you will c what will hapend..i dont wont 2 take some alliance in mine mouth but i hawe like 3 of them who will wiped you with supercaps...they trow supercaps on mine nano-gangs not on rr bs gang..

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: Zoraya Rouge

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Yes I'm an alt

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why can't you post your opinions with your main?

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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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Nope. Learn to adapt. Eve is about evolving. If you do not adapt, you die.

Anti-remote rep tactics are very good. Remember how you used to tell people to "use brain to beat nano"? Well, use brain to beat remote rep.

Remote rep ships have low damage, some lack even full set of turrets. Remote rep range is less than web range making RR gangs inflexible and sitting ducks if your fleet/gang uses tactics. You can ECM/Dampen them. Bump them out of rep range. You an trick them into repping primary and secondary while you switch to attacking another target.

You can attack remote repping gangs by attacking everybody. You can use HEAVY NEUTS. No Cap = no remote rep (yeah remember how you lot used to say the same stuff to nano victims?).

You can also spread fire over several targets which breaks remote rep chains easaly. Remote rep gangs are complete rubbish currently, used mostly by people who lack tactics.

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Originally by: Smothered Buffalo

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: Zoraya Rouge

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Yes I'm an alt

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why can't you post your opinions with your main?

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maybe because all you have been doing this thread is trying to invalidate others' opinions by displaying how long they have played and how many losses are on a killboard?

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