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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:15:00 -
[2071]
wah
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:19:00 -
[2072]
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 26/07/2008 19:20:22
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Use scouts to check next systems? Avoid roadblocks and use alternate routes? Move through a region fast and abandon it for another?
You dont ahve to loiter in an area until they have you cornered. You get in, kill what you can, and I doubt in 30-45min time you'll see the presence you're talking about. I know I havenet.
Hell, what prevents you from using long jumps to circumvent jump bridges? The gangs I operate in have done it to razor.
Then you'll know that it's all a bit hit and miss. How many times can you go down the back route until they learn you always go down there and shove up a bridge? Ofc, alliance reaction times are variable. I've been in alliances that takes forever to form up, and I've raided those who seem to form a 25 man gang for 5 invaders inside 5 minutes.
Serous curiosity: What type of gangs do you take to raid razor?
It was mixed (I normally flew a double rep Hyperion or Eos) and we never stayed in their domain, but moved to MM and other central southern Northen region (whoa). They responded with their own mix, mostly nano's. Was fun engagements, I--in my BS and Eos-- got out alive.
But hey, if those people have that kind of coordination and memory to respond to defenders in that way, why cant they be rewarded with blocking off the invaders? Its a bummer for the attackers, but there is 5,000+ systems in EVE. ----------------- Friends Forever |

Halviasan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:20:00 -
[2073]
Originally by: Gnulpie I don't understand all the fuzz with speed and the proposed changes.
First of all, there are very effective counters!
Second, easy solution to fast speeds: add massive agility penalty when using mwd!
You can go fast as lighting, but you could fly only straight lines. So the only use would be to get quickly close to the target or trying to get quickly away.
Just add the speed bonus of the mwd as agility penalty and voila ...
Oooh, I like this idea.
But really, the fact that ABs aren't used in PVP is not a major concern for most players.
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:22:00 -
[2074]
Thanks alot CCP, now it truely will be BLOBS ONLINE or BOB's ONLINE, which ever one fits.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:24:00 -
[2075]
Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Thanks alot CCP, now it truely will be BLOBS ONLINE or BOB's ONLINE, which ever one fits.
BOB'S BLOBS?.
Say it seven times fast.
My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake. |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:26:00 -
[2076]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 18:53:54
Originally by: gandrig
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean NANO is not overpowered ppl are just under trained and unwilling to improve when crying for a nerf is easier.
That's YOUR ******ed opinion. You know very dam well they're overpowered. It's why your alliance PL and TRI are so vehemently against this nerf. But keep sobbing and calling people stupid and idiots as long as it makes you feel better 
And yes, I am a carebear, tell me how much you hate and despise me, I love your whines. I only wish I could harness the tears right off your cheeks, while they're fresh and still warm.
Your disliked cos your a ******* it has nothing to do with your eve carrier tbh.
If this was a nerf carebear thread you would not see me or others posting in it cos i could not give a toss as im a pvper in fact if i had to id actually vote for what ever the carebears enjoyed to do most as thats what playing the game is all about.
Your problem is you enjoy seeing other ppl pi*sed off about stuff they enjoy being removed from the game even though it does not effect you one little bit and that makes you a real ******* and exactly why me and others do not like you tbh.
You hit the nail right on the head buddy.
PS: LOL the tard cut out your explanation then asked for one in the same post ffs. 
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
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Motaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:29:00 -
[2077]
sophisticatedlimabean look m8 your overpowered solo pwn mobile is going,your just going to have to do it the old fashioned way to get your fun,you know all get into interceptors and you know actually take some risk.
You are sounding like a spoilt little child whose had his favorite toy taken away from him.
Apt or die,and quit your crying. _______________________________________________ Motaka ~ DirtyHarry ~ Original F-E Material |

sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:30:00 -
[2078]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 19:33:19
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
Ive never done or seen anybody do close to 45kms ever (although im not sure its possible tbh) and i really doubt that you have seen anybody do it either tbh.
And i have never seen a gang of ships do it either but if your saying that its prevalent around eve to see gangs doing these sort of speeds id be interested to see your evidence.
Originally by: Motaka sophisticatedlimabean look m8 your overpowered solo pwn mobile is going,your just going to have to do it the old fashioned way to get your fun,you know all get into interceptors and you know actually take some risk.
You are sounding like a spoilt little child whose had his favorite toy taken away from him.
Apt or die,and quit your crying.
I do not fly nano in fact my last 500 kills were in a caldari ship.
My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake. |

Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:31:00 -
[2079]
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
FFS MORON! Nothing goes that fast. We're talking about a 4-5k/s HAC. I hope you get kicked from whatever blob your a part of and realize that nano's are the only anti blob tactic.
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:36:00 -
[2080]
Edited by: Stalina on 26/07/2008 19:41:01 Edited by: Stalina on 26/07/2008 19:38:41
Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Ignore the whiners, none of them have any idea what they are talking about.
lol this. But im sorry to tell you that CCP have listened to whiners all the years. You actually proof CCP is doing wrong ATM.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Superb set of changes. Ignore the whiners, none of them have any idea what they are talking about.
You too.
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Damion Zyne
Des Esseintes Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:36:00 -
[2081]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 18:53:54
Originally by: gandrig
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean NANO is not overpowered ppl are just under trained and unwilling to improve when crying for a nerf is easier.
That's YOUR ******ed opinion. You know very dam well they're overpowered. It's why your alliance PL and TRI are so vehemently against this nerf. But keep sobbing and calling people stupid and idiots as long as it makes you feel better 
And yes, I am a carebear, tell me how much you hate and despise me, I love your whines. I only wish I could harness the tears right off your cheeks, while they're fresh and still warm.
Your disliked cos your a ******* it has nothing to do with your eve carrier tbh.
If this was a nerf carebear thread you would not see me or others posting in it cos i could not give a toss as im a pvper in fact if i had to id actually vote for what ever the carebears enjoyed to do most as thats what playing the game is all about.
Your problem is you enjoy seeing other ppl pi*sed off about stuff they enjoy being removed from the game even though it does not effect you one little bit and that makes you a real ******* and exactly why me and others do not like you tbh.
You hit the nail right on the head buddy.
PS: LOL the tard cut out your explanation then asked for one in the same post ffs. 
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
Jeeez, how thick are you. No one cares about nerfing 45km/s ships. If you actuall would do combat you would know that most of the nano ships you might encounter dont even break 5-6km/s
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:41:00 -
[2082]
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
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Commander Tigre
Minmatar Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:41:00 -
[2083]
Originally by: MotherMoon so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
You are quoted saying 45000km/s is a game break/cheat/etc. Seriously, what can you do at that speed except go in a straight line... THERE ARE BALANCES TO THOSE SPEEDS. This is what people are not paying attention to. Even at 10km/s you cannot orbit at 15km at those speeds. Therefore all you are good for is quick and close safe spots and running away. How is running away breaking this game? A retreat should never be considered a cheat. Otherwise we might as well loose all distance combat as well and just have everyone sit at 10km range and blast away at each other.
"We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre |

Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:42:00 -
[2084]
BTW Nerf titans now. Titans + cyno jammer + large bubble = Unbreakable sov
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Spartac0
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:49:00 -
[2085]
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
liaoliao520 > These foreigners killed you! ! Dry your mother! |

rik jonno
Swift Retribution
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:49:00 -
[2086]
HMMM tasty nannotears.
On the other hand /me hugs his Arazu 
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:53:00 -
[2087]
Originally by: Spartac0
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
I didn't have to gang with a furry for my speeds though.
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:53:00 -
[2088]
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
Dude your a ****ing idiot, find those setups on tq
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:54:00 -
[2089]
Edited by: Stalina on 26/07/2008 19:55:03
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
Uh nice, is that gist x-type 100mn MWD on that vaga? Now thats impressive, but I guess this thread actually is about pvp setups with actually guns and stuff.
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Spartac0
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:00:00 -
[2090]
Originally by: Smokie McLottapot
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
Dude your a ****ing idiot, find those setups on tq
I use the crow on tq, ask any bob member. the vagabond though is useless on pvp except to bump idiots from stations. the vaga "nano setup" I use on tq does around 40km/s I can take ss when i get home if u want
liaoliao520 > These foreigners killed you! ! Dry your mother! |
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:01:00 -
[2091]
Originally by: Stalina Edited by: Stalina on 26/07/2008 19:55:03
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
Uh nice, is that gist x-type 100mn MWD on that vaga? Now thats impressive, but I guess this thread actually is about pvp setups with actually guns and stuff.
Amazingly, that vagabond is still only going a third the speed of light. Its mass would be magnificent. ----------------- Friends Forever |

Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:08:00 -
[2092]
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Smokie McLottapot
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
Where have you seen people doing 45km/s other than interceptors or oversize mwd cruisers on SiSi using drugs + claymore + hg snakes?
relevant link
OH MY GOD, 47km/s OVERLOADED CROW WITH MAX SKILLED CLAYMORE + HG SNAKES + DRUGS. BETTER NERF ALL SHIPS.
Posts like this should be enough to convince CCP not to listen to these idiots, too bad it won't.
your crow is slow. this crow and this vagabond is what they are referring as ludicrous speed.
Dude your a ****ing idiot, find those setups on tq
I use the crow on tq, ask any bob member. the vagabond though is useless on pvp except to bump idiots from stations. the vaga "nano setup" I use on tq does around 40km/s I can take ss when i get home if u want
T20 handing out snakes, officer MWD's, max gang skills, boosters and T2 polys now huh?
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Myra2007
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:10:00 -
[2093]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Amazingly, that vagabond is still only going a third the speed of light. Its mass would be magnificent.
That vaga: about 100 km/s the speed of light: about 300000 km/s
Mhhhh...
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Woo Glin
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:15:00 -
[2094]
What I don't understand is the deactivation of the mwd when hit with a warp scrambler. The duration of a scrambler is 5 seconds, compared to the 10s of an mwd. Unless they increase the duration of a scrambler to something more than 10s, it would keep the mwd off 50-100% of the time, or an average of 75% of the time. Factor in a 500% mwd speed boost and you essentially have a ship going say 500m/s 25% of the time and 100m/s 75% of the time for an average speed of 200m/s...a speed reduction of 60%, or the new proposed web effectiveness. So it's essentially a scrambler and a web in one for virtually no cap. Factor in lag greater than 5s and you are screwed 100% of the time unless the MWD auto-reactivates.
They've essentially tried to stop fast ships by nerfing the best weapon (webs) and platform (minmatar recons) for fighting them and buffing a module (scrambler) that requires speed to use due to its range. It's even more of a stealth nerf to the range of scramblers now that 7.5km is much farther because of somewhat reduced speed across the board. It's essentially range inflation.
Also consider the implications for fleet battles and tackling. If I'm 150km off, the trip to engage me which used to take 10s in your 15km/s ship will now take 33s in your 4.5km/s ship, giving me more than 3x more time to fire at you while doing increased damage due to reduced tracking/explosion velocity tanking.
Why then would they do this when there are many other, more simple, solutions? Let's take a look at who benefits...
Overall reduced ability to speed tank: ratters ( particularly ravens) trying to escape ganks Increased ab speed: mission runners moving in the absence of mwd, ratters who don't want to sacrifice grid/cap for mwd Reduced web strength: mision runners webbed by turrets.
To me, this seems like a mercy patch to alleviate some of the stuff pubbies complain about, but also wrecks current pvp mechanics, hence the use of the nefarious snaked deadspace gang/titan/drug/loud music boosted 20km/s vagabond that everyone flies and can afford as some sort of scapegoat for us all to hate.
Solutions: a.) Reduce the effectiveness of the HIGH-END modules, or increase their cost even more. Risk:Reward b.) Introduce modules which affect the effectiveness of missiles allowing pilots to specialize their damage. Giving them a niche would also reduce the related problem of missiles being less useful for pvp. Nanos are specialized ships, we need the option for a specialized counter-mechanism (other than webs), which is missing. c.) Have pubbie ratters pay the hell attention to local and fit neuts and a cloak like the rest of us.
The simple fact is that the proposed changes are heavy-handed, and severely limit the usefulness of the Minmatar race, and HACS in general. The result, as many others have pointed out, is an increase in blob warfare and nearly consensual PvP. Some action is needed to curb the top-end speeds which provide near-invulnerability against vanilla tactics, but this is not it. If you broadly nerf speed the super-rich highly skilled pilots will still be the fastest relative to everyone else. The people that will be hit the hardest will be those who cannot use or afford the high-end upgrades, as their speed will be too slow to be of consequence.
By the way... I'm Caldari and I fly ECM boats.
tl:dr ccp is dum lololol
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Kreeak
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:16:00 -
[2095]
Edited by: Kreeak on 26/07/2008 20:22:16 This is going to make Eve so much better. The amount of setups that may be viable due to weapon systems actually being effective will be staggering. Webs being reduced to 50-60% is harsh, but if that is necessary, so be it.
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg In the end, either go at them with caps or roam in another region. Some places are too well defended and robbing those defenders of all that organization (that's tactics too, isnt it) by allowing a bunch of tricked-out-low-slot-abusing cruisers to roam around unscathed is just, not, right.
Oh so if we can't field over 1500 people that means that the entire south and the entire north is a no go area, and we should move back to lowsec? Riiiiiiiiight 
You almost got it. The correct answer is you, PL, Tri, and the rest of the cowardly glass nano*** alliances should disappear back into obscurity because all your skill and experience is departing with the speed rebalancing.
Bye bye now.
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:20:00 -
[2096]
Originally by: Kreeak This is going to make Eve so much better. The amount of setups that may be viable due to weapon systems actually being effective will be staggering. Webs being reduced to 50-60% is harsh, but if that is necessary, so be it.
Originally by: Korinn
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Oh so if we can't field over 1500 people that means that the entire south and the entire north is a no go area, and we should move back to lowsec? Riiiiiiiiight 
You almost got it. The correct answer is you, PL, Tri, and the rest of the cowardly glass nano*** alliances should disappear back into obscurity because all your skill and experience is departing with the speed rebalancing.
Bye bye now.
Yeah! Because when people are so stupid they ccan't counter your tactics and training, it's time for a nerf!
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:23:00 -
[2097]
CCP, good work!
It's been obvious to fair-minded people for quite awhile that the ludicrous speeds were ludicrous. It should surprise no one that the nerf bat is finally swinging.
What I'm especially pleased to see is a "nerf" that adds complexity to the combat engine, rather than simply removing a popular option. By enhancing warp scramblers and altering the behavior of MWDs, there's a bunch of tactical uncertainty, instead of one "obviously right" fit for every situation. I think this will make combat more interesting for everybody.
Being a missile-chucking Caldari, I'm delighted by the prospect of actually being able to shoot missiles at most combatants. However, I do agree that there needs to be some sort of available module-based counter to missiles.
The obvious approach, as many have suggested, would be to resurrect Defender missiles from their richly-deserved grave. I would propose making them an always-on defensive system, and letting them shoot at all enemy missiles, so that people could fly fleet-defense ships with lots of defender launchers. Right now, it's pretty pointless to fly defenders since you can't use them to defend your fleetmates and you can't turn them on during laggy combat.
I love missiles, but the brokenness of defenders is a fair complaint.
Very much looking forward to the play testing of the new changes -- lots of new things to try! ------------------ Ironfleet.com |

Aoa Lux
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:24:00 -
[2098]
Originally by: Crumplecorn DO NOT WRECK BLASTER SHIPS
Well, I guess I can start training lasers...
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:25:00 -
[2099]
I wonder if Nozh expected 80+ pages of criticism. 
Black Hand.
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Haakelen
Gallente Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:30:00 -
[2100]
Originally by: Aoa Lux
Originally by: Crumplecorn DO NOT WRECK BLASTER SHIPS
Well, I guess I can start training lasers...
Luckily my Vaga-flying alt also has Amarr BS 5 and T2 Megapulse 
But hey I can still use my mega for big 200v200 fleets
because that's incredibly fun right
right?
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