Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Another little gem of a comment lol, i love the way you say its you who are ruining my game. Your a noisy pitiful child with no power anywhere so is jumping on a band wagon to try to gain a little pleasure.

BTW your a liar cos if you had pvp'd you would have taken losses or got kills and i see none.

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nah your just on hissy fit cos you gonna LOOOOSE BOY! and your the l1ar cos i have lots and lots and lots of kills my my alt... your just a n00b and cant find them i steall all your lunch moneyz! hahaha! go back to w0w!!1!

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Drake is your favorite ship, C/D?

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Another little gem of a comment lol, i love the way you say its you who are ruining my game. Your a noisy pitiful child with no power anywhere so is jumping on a band wagon to try to gain a little pleasure.

BTW your a liar cos if you had pvp'd you would have taken losses or got kills and i see none.

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nah your just on hissy fit cos you gonna LOOOOSE BOY! and your the l1ar cos i have lots and lots and lots of kills my my alt... your just a n00b and cant find them i steall all your lunch moneyz! hahaha! go back to w0w!!1!

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Drake is your favorite ship, C/D?

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wow how did you know?
nano is your favorite right? (c/d?)

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Originally by: Kieselmeister

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Its just sad how badly so many people misread the blog...

first off... When fully HALF of the main weapons in the game (missiles, drones, blasters) are near useless against a widespread playstyle, and whole ship classes are unintentionally rendered obsolete, there is obviously an imbalance in the combat system. Whining about how missiles are for carebears, and how everyone else should have adapted to your exploiting of the error in the game design, isn't going to change the fact that the system is broken. Even a more modestly fitted nano ship will still only take puny fractions of damage from even specialized missiles.

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Originally by: Kieselmeister

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Secondly... The devs already tried the "SIMPLE FIXEZ" that keep getting spouted out by some you persons with impaired mental abilities, the blog clearly said that when they tried to raise the speeds of the missiles and drones it borked the game engine. Since they couldnt fix that, the only solution then was to limit the invulnerablity granting speeds to a very few ships. (I.E. the interceptors and minmatar speed ships.) Once they settled on this drastic solution, they didn't really have any other option than to revamp several systems at once... .

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Originally by: Kieselmeister

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Thirdly... Shut your ignorant dip****s faces about the five hour meeting... that is a LONG @$$ meeting! Thats longer than the SAT that I'm sure some of you only scored triple digits on.(*that would be 4 hour american standarized testing used by the college board for those of you not in the know)... Not to mention the fact that the meeting ONLY determined the SPEED GOALS! remember those? .

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Originally by: Kieselmeister

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1. "*Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for.
2. * There should be a significant and meaningful difference in speed between the ship classes.
3. * Speed should not permit a larger ship to perform the role that a smaller specialized ship was intended for.
4. * Afterburners should be a viable module selection for PVP.
5.Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic."

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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wow how did you know?
nano is your favorite right? (c/d?)

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D

I don't fly nano.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 19:11:37

Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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wow how did you know?
nano is your favorite right? (c/d?)

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D

I don't fly nano.

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yes, apparently it's your buddies that fly them.
that wouldnt have anything to do with you being against the nano nerf would it? naaaah, of course not .

btw, here's one link to your claim that sniggwaffe and compnay dont fly nanos:

Linkage

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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yes, apparently it's your buddies that fly them.
that wouldnt have anything to do with you being against the nano nerf would it? naaaah, of course not .

btw, here's one link to your claim that sniggwaffe and compnay dont fly nanos:

Linkage

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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im not an adult yet :) im 14 years old and im glad ccp is listenenening to me because im ruining YOUR game. PWND! HAHAHAHA! my imaginary girlfriend laffs at you N00b!

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 19:11:37

Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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wow how did you know?
nano is your favorite right? (c/d?)

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D

I don't fly nano.

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yes, apparently it's your buddies that fly them.
that wouldnt have anything to do with you being against the nano nerf would it? naaaah, of course not .

btw, here's one link to your claim that sniggwaffe and compnay dont fly nanos:

Linkage

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A rapier and a dictor.

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Originally by: Jesse Jamess

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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im not an adult yet :) im 14 years old and im glad ccp is listenenening to me because im ruining YOUR game. PWND! HAHAHAHA! my imaginary girlfriend laffs at you N00b!

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lmao lmao steaml0ller tbh....


my prediction is you will have your imgainary "girlfriend" untill you turn a bit older and he becomes a real life boyfriend...

keep up the good job writing code, and ruining "my" game... lmao

you may change your attitude when u start getting hair in funny places, and voice lowers a bit...


ps i really really do appreciate your infinite life experiance, and infinite eve experiance (flying drakes)
you have to understand though that alot of people against this change have lost more skillpoints forgeting to upgrade a clone, then you have total...

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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and they were just vagas/ishtar/curse armor/shield tanked right

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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when i cross-referenced their names to their losses

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Originally by: Haakelen

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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and they were just vagas/ishtar/curse armor/shield tanked right

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According to you those are perfectly reasonable fits which work just fine in the real world so why not

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 19:11:37

Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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wow how did you know?
nano is your favorite right? (c/d?)

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D

I don't fly nano.

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yes, apparently it's your buddies that fly them.
that wouldnt have anything to do with you being against the nano nerf would it? naaaah, of course not .

btw, here's one link to your claim that sniggwaffe and compnay dont fly nanos:

Linkage

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A rapier and a dictor.

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no look again:

i counted around 5 nano pilots when i cross-referenced their names to their losses (fit with nanos). now of course you can always argue they werent fit nanos at the time of this kill and they were just vagas/ishtar/curse armor/shield tanked right

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 19:11:37

Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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wow how did you know?
nano is your favorite right? (c/d?)

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D

I don't fly nano.

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yes, apparently it's your buddies that fly them.
that wouldnt have anything to do with you being against the nano nerf would it? naaaah, of course not .

btw, here's one link to your claim that sniggwaffe and compnay dont fly nanos:

Linkage

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A rapier and a dictor.

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no look again:

i counted around 5 nano pilots when i cross-referenced their names to their losses (fit with nanos). now of course you can always argue they werent fit nanos at the time of this kill and they were just vagas/ishtar/curse armor/shield tanked right

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Just say they were all Armour tanked or shield tanked are you saying that the result would have been different?.

er nope.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Just say they were all Armour tanked or shield tanked are you saying that the result would have been different?.

er nope.

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I'm sure the result would have not been different. But that isn't what i'm arguing now is it .
You do a great job at switching topics when it comes to bite you. Keep it up.

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Originally by: Euriti

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I see following sniggwaffe ships

Sabre
Caracal
Caracal
Rapier
Claw
Rifter
Vexor
Rifter
Vigil
Ares
Falcon
Stilleto.

I dont see any vagas/curses/ishtars on here.

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Originally by: Areo Hotah

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Edited by: Areo Hotah on 25/07/2008 13:18:08
I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 19:24:23

Originally by: Euriti

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I see following sniggwaffe ships

Sabre
Caracal
Caracal
Rapier
Claw
Rifter
Vexor
Rifter
Vigil
Ares
Falcon
Stilleto.

I dont see any vagas/curses/ishtars on here.

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oh boy
i know you're just acting up but i'll tell you again:

look at your buddies' fits (Pandemic Legion's specifically). Are they nano pilots or not?

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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Also, rapier + huginn with crap webs? Well, at the very least you're consistent with the nerfs. Now you only need to make the neut-curse go to 20m/s when using it's neuts and all recons suck equally ;)

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Originally by: Natalia Kovac

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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Also, rapier + huginn with crap webs? Well, at the very least you're consistent with the nerfs. Now you only need to make the neut-curse go to 20m/s when using it's neuts and all recons suck equally ;)

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Uhh Falcon much? That thing will be flavour of the YEAR if this patch goes through.

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Originally by: Areo Hotah

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Edited by: Areo Hotah on 25/07/2008 13:18:08
I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 17:57:01

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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The point of the exercise would have been to make you realize that our posts are arguing to save a style of gameplay, which CCP are effectively removing. As long as speed (which has been around as long as any other play-style and has a race dedicated to using it) remains viable, we won't be upset. But speed is not viable when you need full-grade snakes and "no other special mods" to break 4k.

If CCP brought polys in-line with the rest of speed mods, the only person upset would be Corvac, who couldn't get away with charging us 2x what they cost to build. As it stands now, many of us are upset (and not just PL and TRI) because nanos are not being brought into step with other styles of gameplay; nanoing is being all but removed.

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But we dont know that yet. You're getting ahead of yourself here. CCP has given us the "paper". Now we need to test it out. CCP is only asking for the chance to test it. But you're going all nuts over it. I agree that speed needs to be an alternative and if this nerf destroys it (as you imply it will) then hell, yes it's wrong. The whole point is to bring it in line with other options such as shield and armor, which I suspect you agree. Wait and test it out THEN give feedback. But seriously, person to person, if I can give you one piece of advice it would be to keep the vocal ******ed monkeys from PL from talking. I'd suggest they allow you to speak for them, given that they don't seem capable of holding mature conversations.

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/07/2008 17:57:01

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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The point of the exercise would have been to make you realize that our posts are arguing to save a style of gameplay, which CCP are effectively removing. As long as speed (which has been around as long as any other play-style and has a race dedicated to using it) remains viable, we won't be upset. But speed is not viable when you need full-grade snakes and "no other special mods" to break 4k.

If CCP brought polys in-line with the rest of speed mods, the only person upset would be Corvac, who couldn't get away with charging us 2x what they cost to build. As it stands now, many of us are upset (and not just PL and TRI) because nanos are not being brought into step with other styles of gameplay; nanoing is being all but removed.

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But we dont know that yet. You're getting ahead of yourself here. CCP has given us the "paper". Now we need to test it out. CCP is only asking for the chance to test it. But you're going all nuts over it. I agree that speed needs to be an alternative and if this nerf destroys it (as you imply it will) then hell, yes it's wrong. The whole point is to bring it in line with other options such as shield and armor, which I suspect you agree. Wait and test it out THEN give feedback. But seriously, person to person, if I can give you one piece of advice it would be to keep the vocal ******ed monkeys from PL from talking. I'd suggest they allow you to speak for them, given that they don't seem capable of holding mature conversations.

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Testing is irrelevant when CCP has already given us the results of any test we run - you can't break 4k without snakes. Missiles murder HACs under 4k. I don't need to get on Sisi to figure out for myself what CCP has already told us.

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Originally by: Rick Thwaites

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Originally by: Areo Hotah

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Edited by: Areo Hotah on 25/07/2008 13:18:08
I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS

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Originally by: Dapanman1

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Originally by: Marlona Sky

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Anyone want to bet me ISK that when the AF buff comes out it has a role bonus for warp scrambler range bonus?

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You mean...like an interceptor?

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