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otkrivalkin	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:37:00 - [1321] AGAINST
wavre	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:56:00 - [1322] 500% from an MWD dam thats low.
Caldrion Dosto Svea Rike	Posted - 2008.07.31 08:10:00 - [1323] Against this is bullshit.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:04:00 - [1324] Can we have all the posts in this thread not linked to accounts which have logged in to sisi this week removed? Tried it all again tonight, and it is still good. There were some extensive engagement tests, and the nano ships still managed to engage and disengage just fine, they just had more reason to disengage at times. The tests included a bubble-camp .. and it did not end up with a bunch of dead nano-ships, they pretty much all got out. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
mayke	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:07:00 - [1325] Against
MissBolyai	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:08:00 - [1326] AGAINST
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:16:00 - [1327] Originally by: Essque Originally by: Avon I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it. It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good. I would have nerfed it harder tbh. Just out of interest, is this merely another example of your usual trolling, or indeed your honest opinion? No, it really is my honest opinion. The only thing I don't really like is the MWD cycle time thing because I don't realy see the point - but even that I can live with. Seriously, get in on some of the Sisi testing, the whole balance is much better than those in this thread would have you believe. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Sun Takkara GREY COUNCIL Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:32:00 - [1328] Against!! "What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Alex Foradlera	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:33:00 - [1329] Against
iceyreloaded The Wild Hunt	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:47:00 - [1330] i am completey against this patch in its current form. more development from ccp is essential. i support this thread 110%. time to earn ur free trip each year CSM

mr Digger	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:49:00 - [1331] AGAINST
pippan The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:07:00 - [1332] Edited by: pippan on 31/07/2008 10:07:29 Found the right one :D ---- - pippan
I'Can'Has'Hauler Viziam	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:09:00 - [1333] Nerf is too big imo ------------ /me the alt
Tsia Disorder.	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:13:00 - [1334] AGAINST!
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:13:00 - [1335] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Essque Originally by: Avon I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it. It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good. I would have nerfed it harder tbh. Just out of interest, is this merely another example of your usual trolling, or indeed your honest opinion? No, it really is my honest opinion. The only thing I don't really like is the MWD cycle time thing because I don't realy see the point - but even that I can live with. Seriously, get in on some of the Sisi testing, the whole balance is much better than those in this thread would have you believe. Well i have tested it and some parts of the change are ok such as the changes to AFs and i dont mind the changes to scrams either, but the changes to webs and speed are to much. With the web changes every gallente blaster boat has to fit mwd, scram and web, disruptor is no longer an option because you have to be able to deactivate your opponents mwd to be able to stay in range becuase webs dont slow things down enough anymore. The problem with that though is if you are going up against a blaster boat all you need is ab, scram and web and you can dictate range easily, because you cut there mwd and will have more speed than them with the AB and the web wont slow you down enough to keep you in blaster range that long. Also with the changes missiles get a massive boost over turrets, one situation i noticed was with drones, drones when webbed at close range are still quick enough to get under your tracking, ive got virtualy max gunnery skills, and when flying an astarte, i was being attacked my 10 hammerheads t2, seen as they was the only things doing dmg to me i decided to try and kll them, but i found even when webbed they still manage to orbit me at close range and make it virtualy impossible to kill them, which isnt a problem for missile ships. Also the changes seem to cater towards numbers > skill, alliances who can put out large numbers with high skilled pilots will like these changes, but smaller alliances who rely on hit and runs and picking off large blobs will suffer, missile spam on sisi is the i-win at the min, this was evident when i flew into the cruisers FFA and just watched cerbs ripping everything apart from whatever range they wanted. Vagas seem pathetic on the test server, ive soloed 2 in my jag and astarte, perhaps part of it was down to bad piloting, but there has been other instances where all ship types are ripping vagas apart easily. Curses are ok 1v1 or if you can dictate range, but they are awfuly slow now and cant tank at all and rapiers and huginns were getting ripped apart. Overall i think the changes to speed is too much, you say they are broken becuase missiles and drones cant hit them, but if missiles can hit them doesnt that mean that missiles are the superior weapon choice becuase they can do everything? The web changes is way to harsh and realy is a big change in gameplay, maybe knock it down 10% but the current change is way to much. The scram change offers a new style of play and is another way to counter nanos, but becomes almost a must fit module combined with the other changes which is somthing CCP say they dont want. Speed nerf and web nerfs need throwing out and maybe just reducing speed by alittle is all the is needed and the scram boosts along with the boosts to AFs are the only things needed to be introduced.
Loeb Brin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:14:00 - [1336] Holy batman wall of text u got there.
Sempaia Tenda A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:19:00 - [1337] Edited by: Sempaia Tenda on 31/07/2008 10:20:19 i don't like this plan: - it is not structured: eventhough the objective is really clear and well stated, the plan doesn't follow a structured path from the objective to solutions, but simply jumps from the objective to solutions. - it is not focused: it seems to me like a bunch of ideas thrown there for the only reason that they can imply some changes to speed. Indeed the plan affects too many different things, nerfing even webifiers that is the natural counter of nanos. Come on CCP, this is the result of a coffe-break brainstorming. i know you can do better than this. I'm AGAINST this specific plan of nerfing nanos, while i'm pro a smart way to avoid reaching too fast speed. ST
Xile Tsia Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:23:00 - [1338] Aaaaaaagainst.
YonaTron	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:23:00 - [1339] I am against it
Grande Mulo	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:27:00 - [1340] AGAINST

Neve Moritra	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:37:00 - [1341] Against
Uomonero	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:37:00 - [1342] i'm against it.
Lil Cutie	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:40:00 - [1343] Against
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:55:00 - [1344] Against.
Quarios Cha Quantar Swords	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:01:00 - [1345] Especially against gimping the blasterships!
AlwierGal	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:02:00 - [1346] Against
Chimii Lecto	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:12:00 - [1347] I like this thread.
R3T4RD	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:15:00 - [1348] Who cares about nanos? DON*T KILL BLASTERBOATS!!
Sky Grunthor The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:24:00 - [1349] against the nano nerf in the current form. Search: Sky Grunthor
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:30:00 - [1350] Originally by: Prez21 snip well thought out reply We tried blaster ships a lot, and if anything they are better than before, so I am not sure where you are comming from on that. I was shooting drones no problem either .. but if your set-up makes that hard, use your drones on their drones. I don't understand your claim that some ships can't tank at all either. There are some awesome tank fits for some of those ships, but people are trying to use them how they used to, and then moaning it doesn't work. Missiles need adjusting a bit (not much though, a small tweak on explosion velocity should do it), I agree. However, that does not make the changes bad in general. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure



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