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Felysta Sandorn
Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 26/07/2008 11:38:36 This is the closest we have for a voting tool, so please give your support here if you are AGAINST the nano nerf detailed in the recent dev blog.
If you are FOR the nano nerf, please show your support in the sister topic.
.: A Vagabond's Requiem (Blog) :.
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YapYup
Gallente Pangalactic Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:46:00 -
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AGAINST
These ideas nerf way to many 'non nano' ships to call it a nano nerf.
...heck, just title it as a Drake Boost
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ChuckNorris CRO
Minmatar Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:47:00 -
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AGAINST definitly !
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:48:00 -
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Against [center] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371&page=1Save Small Gang Warfare - Poast here[ |
Tal Notts
Divine Power R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tal Notts on 26/07/2008 11:54:08 AGAINST, very much so. unless cpp want to give me my isk and SP back.... oh wait, no just AGAINST. don't ruin the game cpp. at least fix your server before you force everyone into blob vs blob warfare.
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Cutesmile
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:49:00 -
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Signed. We need nano nerf but not this, web a scrambler idiotism.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:49:00 -
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AGAINST
Small gang warfare must prevail.
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Krutoj
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:52:00 -
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AGAINST!
This nerf is ruining the game play, oh and all the time people put into skills/mods/implants to go faster is wasted? Russian Menace
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Kransthow
Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kransthow on 26/07/2008 11:56:45 signed
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Lil'Bunneh FoFo
Uranus Assault Team
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lil''Bunneh FoFo on 26/07/2008 11:54:58 Against
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Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 26/07/2008 11:54:11 Yeah, I have to come down firmly on the side of AGAINST on this one.
As many people have said, this is not a "nano-nerf" this is just a "nerf everything in sight that has to do with speed".
If CCP thinks the speed in some ship types (and/or specific module/implant combinations) are a problem, they need to address THOSE specific areas; not EVERY SINGLE thing in the game that has to do with speed.
This is just an utter fail way of going about it.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Hoo on 26/07/2008 11:53:20 Who said we got a vote on this? will we get back 8x Heatsink geddon if enough will vote for it?
We got devs and CSM for that.
I am PRO Ship class Balancing and speed adjustments (posting in every thread i like to)
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Tein Taro
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:53:00 -
[13]
Against
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Syrinthal
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:53:00 -
[14]
Remember to click that you support the topic!
Else your "votes" are pretty useless.
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Indignant Assault
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:55:00 -
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Quoting an Epic Post:
Originally by: Malachon Draco A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:56:00 -
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AGAINST
Join THE INTERNET. today |
agent apple
FIRMA
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:56:00 -
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Again someone bends it all to suit their own purposes, this is not a simple yes or no topic.
Most respectable pvp'ers know that nano's need balancing. That consisting off brining polycarbs inline with their module counterparts and stopping cruisers getting over ~5km/s sans vaga. This does however exclude screwing over normal nano cruisers in the 3-4km/s range.
So no, like most I don't oppose balance. I do however dislike random ******ed changes and mass nerf batting.
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Silver Sarena
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:01:00 -
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I am SOOOO tired of paying my monthly sub fee to get nerfed......
Yeah, big time AGAINST on this one.... *
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Blaze White
Caldari Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:03:00 -
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Against
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Kayla Starfire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: agent apple Again someone bends it all to suit their own purposes, this is not a simple yes or no topic.
Most respectable pvp'ers know that nano's need balancing. That consisting off brining polycarbs inline with their module counterparts and stopping cruisers getting over ~5km/s sans vaga. This does however exclude screwing over normal nano cruisers in the 3-4km/s range.
So no, like most I don't oppose balance. I do however dislike random ******ed changes and mass nerf batting.
QFT. Change is needed, in very SPECIFIC areas. But this Nuke-Nerf is NOT the way. Big time "NO" on the changes as they have been suggested SO FAR.
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Gamer1K
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:11:00 -
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against ofc
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Pociomundo
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:11:00 -
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Dwight Hammerhead
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:12:00 -
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against
go to hell CCP _____________________________________________ Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig. Amarr Victor? Unlikely. |
MITEV
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:12:00 -
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I'm AGAINST this nerf
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Nowayman
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:13:00 -
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CCP are crazy ... AGAINST
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Lorna Loot
Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:14:00 -
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They are fixing speed by removing it and taking away blaster ships at the same time.
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Feyona
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:14:00 -
[27]
Against. This is not the way, this is going to kill off PVP using ships smaller than BS/BC. Not all of us like flying bricks. Words fail.
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xGRIMERx
Minmatar The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:15:00 -
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AGAINST devs should play the game a little the speeds are quite balanced right now just take a look at killboards. they are full of popped nanoships how come they die that often if they are "invincible"
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:17:00 -
[29]
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EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:21:00 -
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I think it's tragic how CCP is talking about fixing the effect, without even MENTIONING the cause.
It was obvious that nano needed nerfing, as speeds over 7-8k breaks the physics engine.
But I WILL remind you all, the dev blog was just an IDEA, for which they wanted feedback. So it's not even sure, that it will happen.
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Cutesmile
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cutesmile on 26/07/2008 12:33:33
Originally by: LaVista Vista I think it's tragic how CCP is talking about fixing the effect, without even MENTIONING the cause.
It was obvious that nano needed nerfing, as speeds over 7-8k breaks the physics engine.
But I WILL remind you all, the dev blog was just an IDEA, for which they wanted feedback. So it's not even sure, that it will happen.
We will signed if the CCP make a smart idea for fixing. But this idea will make the game to ruin. The devs will make unuseable the all matar and half of gallente ships and overpowering the caldari ships. We dont wanna this. Looking another ideas like a script for MWD aka. lesser throttle = lesser cap penalty or something.
Stacking speed modules ok. Lesser MWD throttle ok. (300-350% maybe would be enough) Web nerf a stupid things, when a web can kill the nanos. Scrambler mwd off effect stupid thing too with 8km range.
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Tzuko1
Minmatar The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:41:00 -
[32]
Against the nerf,
This is crazy this will make the game Drake,Raven-online. olß |
Elistara Eldore
Light Sparkle Development GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Elistara Eldore on 26/07/2008 12:47:02 This is not a "balancing", it is a complete removal of speed as a tactic at all in this game. Maybe poly rigs need to be brought in line with their T2 counterparts, but instead of actually nerfing the specific problem, the suggested "fix" blatantly nerfs every possible aspect of speed, which is rediculous.
The fact that CCP seem to think that T2 rigs and HG Snake sets are the "normal" thing for speed pilots to have just goes to show they are far removed from their own game. If speed is removed from this game to the extreme that they are suggesting, pvp becomes nothing more than, sit still-launch missle-win. Drakes and Ravens will be kings, they already are extremely difficult to kill (if fitted correctly for the engagment) in nano ships.
As someone said in the enourmous thread, CCP need to actually look into and show statistics and data on the supposed nano ship problem, instead of just counting on the tales of crying players who get their horribly fit Raven ganked by HACs while ratting in the open with hostiles in system.
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XxAngelxX
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:52:00 -
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Let PVPers decide the fate of PVP in eve. --------------------------------------
Dance Puppets, Dance |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:53:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 26/07/2008 12:56:09 I like a lot of the individual changes being proposed. The redistribution of ship speeds by class, the polycarbon nerf, and the elimination of mass reduction are all likely to be good things, and I can see the web nerf and the meta>0 MWD nerf being good things as well, though I'm less sure of those.
But so many more of the individual changes are utterly wrong. People spend billions on Snakes, and destroying their value this thoroughly seems a mistake. Boosters aren't as expensive, but them having utility seems a good thing, and sig radius just isn't as important as speed. If they're underused, you don't nerf them. Similarly, if you're willing to give up 300+ DPS of heavy drones, an 83% web is not unreasonable, and so nerfing the virtually unusable web drones is a mistake. And the scram change, while interesting on paper, just seems foolish - MWDs aren't a problem inside 9 km(because of webs), they're a problem at 15-20.
Furthermore, their whole approach seems flawed. Speaking for myself, I don't want a speed nerf. Nerfbats are unsubtle, uninteresting, and just serve to **** off people who have invested a lot of time and money into doing things in a way that is no longer possible. What I want is a countermeasure worth a damn. Right now, I can think of exactly one module a generic non-nano ship can fit to counter a nano ship, and that's a heavy neut, not counting funky faction webs and stuff. There's no T2 ammo that provides a tracking bonus(an ideal role for Tremor/Gleam/Javelin, IMO), there's no web with enough extra range for less than 200 million, there's really nothing. That's the problem - the only decent counter that lets you actually kill a nano HAC is an interceptor. Add an anti-nano T2 ammo, and maybe change webs such that a higher meta adds range instead of speed reduction - T2 webs doing -50% at 20 km would be almost enough by itself(and change the Paladin and Kronos to 10% web effect, to keep the 2-in-1 effect). But don't just say "Everything speed-based has got to go" and assume that's a fix, let alone the right fix. Cutting all speeds in half doesn't nerf nanos worth a damn, it just buffs bubbles.
And to stave off whining, the only ship I've ever speed-fit is an Ares. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Vigor
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:57:00 -
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give us the means to fight the blob again
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Chienka
Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Chienka on 26/07/2008 12:59:43 Another thoughtless "solution" from CCP that will ultimately do more harm than good, and imbalance the gameplay more than it currently is.
I am for well thought out solutions! The suggested changes are anything but.
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Vittore Mos
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:07:00 -
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Pheonix Kanan
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:08:00 -
[39]
I'm sure all of the other people in this thread and other will give reason as to why this is a terrible idea. I choose not to because it's so infuriating that I want to fly to Iceland and beat the devs senseless. -----
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:17:00 -
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We all had it coming, so come on folks, let's just suck it up and use your own words...
ADAPT
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Broska
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:18:00 -
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The dev's clearly don't play their own game.
4billion is vaga is clearly a standard fit (and the fit was shit aswell!)
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 26/07/2008 13:23:11 Against in it's implementation outlined in the original DevBlog but probably not for the reason you would expect.
Quote:
A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
This sums up most of the points quite nicely though. ---
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sjakareasha
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:36:00 -
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if this nerf would happen it would ruin the game for everyone i know in eve this is idiotism speeds just as they are now are ****in good dont **** this up for everyone this will cause total chaos
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:38:00 -
[44]
I am against the nano nerf the way it stands now.
we are recruiting!
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MrCranberry
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:39:00 -
[45]
\o nerf the new dev blog
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GalaticVoyag3r
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:48:00 -
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Quote:
A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
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Eledh
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:55:00 -
[47]
against ------------------------------------- [x_x]you asked we are happy? we are happy and protected!
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Mermalior
Jugis Modo Utopia Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:56:00 -
[48]
against
------------------------------- This game is about the people |
Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:59:00 -
[49]
again-st --------- I want to phew phew
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:02:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 26/07/2008 13:23:11 Against in it's implementation outlined in the original DevBlog but probably not for the reason you would expect.
Quote:
A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
This sums up most of the points quite nicely though.
Have to agree with this. 0.0 combat is already dying to the endless blob and curse of absolute defense advantage. This nerf to speed should never ever be implemented on the live server before there are significant anti blob/distributed sovereignty attack measures enacted for 0.0 space. Current situation with nano-ships and speed is not driving significant numbers of people to actually quit the game of eve-online. Removing ANY opportunity for non blob warfare in 0.0 without addressing ANY of the issues with blobs and mindless lagfest hotdrop warfare in 0.0 will actually drive pvpers out of eve and its not in the interest of the game in any way shape or form.
Anti-nano whine brigade will end being the straw that broke the camels back in 0.0.
Speaking personally I don't actually mind many of the changes on the table in and of themselves - but they are simply a terrible idea in the context of actual warfare on the live server in nullsec right now. I can't support ANY gameplay change that will further increase blob power and defensive bonus in 0.0 and so if we ever get a change to make a decision on this on the CSM I'll be voting against it and expressing my opinion on the matter in the strongest possible terms to the developers.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Pheonix Kanan
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:03:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Mister Xerox We all had it coming, so come on folks, let's just suck it up and use your own words...
ADAPT
Why are the pvp'ers ALWAYS adapting. We use ECM, you whine for a nerf and it gets nerfed. We use damps, you whine for a nerf and ccp nerfs it. We use NOS, you whine for a nerf and, OMG GUESS WHAT, it gets nerfed. We are always adapting. ALWAYS coming up with new ways to make your sorry excuse for an eve life miserable. So the nano nerf really won't change anything. But don't, DO NOT, i'll say it again so it gets through, DO NOT EVER tell us to adapt. -----
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poid
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:25:00 -
[52]
against
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Ackuula
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:27:00 -
[53]
/for some of the changes such as reducing the agility in MWD use and scramblers being able to shut them down That's a proper use of counters which I can appreciate.
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Miss KillSome
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:31:00 -
[54]
its totaly crap
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GO MaZ
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:32:00 -
[55]
I'm not too bothered about speed being nerfed (although I dispise the fact that CCP are nerfing skirmish mods when it's a tool that is used by a very small number of people and those people who do use it have likely spent the best part of a year skilling to help their gang mates ), but I don't like the way in which this is being achieved with a shotgun nerf to pretty much all things related to speed.
There's no way to predict the outcome of making this many changes (no, not even on SISI) at once when the problem could likely be mitigated with one or more well placed changes instead of a blanket of poor decisions ---
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Schmell
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:36:00 -
[56]
AGAINST NERF!
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Econom
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:37:00 -
[57]
against
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:38:00 -
[58]
Nice nerf. Uncommonly well thought-out change from CCP's side...
/vote against those who against nerf
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Patalogoanatom
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:46:00 -
[59]
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Souseseki
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:51:00 -
[60]
against
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OrlDragon
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:57:00 -
[61]
against
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Dr Nott
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:00:00 -
[62]
very much against
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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:01:00 -
[63]
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The Ice
Caldari The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:04:00 -
[64]
I want to unistal EVE..:)
So pls pls pls do it..:)And we close the corp sell the charachters items whatever
Do it..:)
WTB ICE again..:)finally..:) --
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Saint |
Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:05:00 -
[65]
signed, another great example of ccp looking for an overhanded fix instead of adjusting the cause.
ccp, ask yourself this:
WHY do people fly nano ships?
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Varus Riaz
Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:14:00 -
[66]
Against, as this pushes the game even more into a numbers game that it already can't support
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Dendo Ordoss
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:25:00 -
[67]
/signed.
It feels like ccp are nerfing small scale combat more and more for every patch just so that larger alliances can protect their space even more effectivly.
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scorp3
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:28:00 -
[68]
signed
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XFurion
Divine Power R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:30:00 -
[69]
balance speed eh? more like remove nano fits from the game. i really hope this doesn't go ahead. i agree some things need ot be looked at but the proposals go too far.
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Gajowy
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:31:00 -
[70]
signed
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Gnomes
Caldari Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:39:00 -
[71]
AGAINST
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Jagerin
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:42:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jagerin on 26/07/2008 15:42:19 /me against Remember about nano-HAC prices, mkay?
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:42:00 -
[73]
I am against the nerf in it's current form as detailed in the Dev blog.
I think it can be done less intrusive and less damaging. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Ian Murchison
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:47:00 -
[74]
against. maybe the time spent thinking up those stupid ideas could have been spent thinking of ways to reduce lag in large scale pvp?
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Spargella
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 15:48:00 -
[75]
against
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Dzajic
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:50:00 -
[76]
I fully support that only viable setups for HACs and CSs, even for those of them that are not made to be speedtanked, being a speed setup, should be nerfed. And that ships larger than frigates (and frigs T2 cousins) should never reach speeds at which they can avoid 99.99% of all incoming damage and completely break the "commit to pvp" idea of EVE by being able to disengage at will.
However, CCPs proposed fix WILL break to many things, all at once. They should at most add/fix/tweak stacking penalties for polycarbons, nerf snakes a bit NOT halve them, and SHOULD rework ship base speeds/masses/agilities.
So. CCPs proposal in full. Not supported.
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eXeGee
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:51:00 -
[77]
well... i'm not quite against speed nerf, but i'm for sure AGAINST making 2in1 scrambler module (make a new one if you rly have to block mwd) and web nerf (nerfing nano counter module sux?) - it wont affect nano it will affect all kinds of warfare prolly making disbalance
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Kor'El Swiftpaws
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:51:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Kor''El Swiftpaws on 26/07/2008 15:52:05 AGAINST the nerf the way they are trying to do it.
FOR the gradual rebalancing of ship velocities and speed module bonii.
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Pistaches
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:51:00 -
[79]
Against for nano nerf.
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Tyffanny
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:52:00 -
[80]
Against for nano nerf too...
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Mad Shade
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:59:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Mad Shade on 26/07/2008 16:00:23
Originally by: eXeGee well... i'm not quite against speed nerf, but i'm for sure AGAINST making 2in1 scrambler module (make a new one if you rly have to block mwd) and web nerf (nerfing nano counter module sux?) - it wont affect nano it will affect all kinds of warfare prolly making disbalance
On the other hand, web nerf is suggest because webs are considered uber mods, and at the same time we should get a new 2 in 1 kinda uber mod.
It is ridiculous! And i strongly agree that this only cause more disbalance.
Edit: yes, against :)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:59:00 -
[82]
for
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MadMax RuS
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:59:00 -
[83]
nerf it! viva la CCP
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dapman
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:02:00 -
[84]
Against!!!
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ZIgi507
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:05:00 -
[85]
Quote: This is not a "balancing", it is a complete removal of speed as a tactic at all in this game. Maybe poly rigs need to be brought in line with their T2 counterparts, but instead of actually nerfing the specific problem, the suggested "fix" blatantly nerfs every possible aspect of speed, which is rediculous.
qft
Against
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Wesley Baird
BURN EDEN Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:08:00 -
[86]
Against! My corp will get a tonne more kills if the nerf goes as planned...but it benefits the large blobs far too much.
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:20:00 -
[87]
hey guys they spent 5 hours talking about it - i mean 5 hours ----------------------------------------------
Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Terrytory
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:25:00 -
[88]
singed
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Devil Digger
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:25:00 -
[89]
/against
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Shadowbee
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:33:00 -
[90]
AGAINST
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Cosy
Porandor
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:35:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Any complaints can be directed towards our Music Director
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Rezaa
Pandemonium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:37:00 -
[92]
Signed
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Dmitry Grigoriev
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:39:00 -
[93]
Against (even if i do not fly nano ships). May be a very little fix is possible, but not such hard as planned.
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Ancorehraq sis
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:43:00 -
[94]
diaf
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Star Dancer
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:44:00 -
[95]
esad
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:45:00 -
[96]
In Soviet Russia, awox is *your* alt
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William Hart
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:45:00 -
[97]
Hey, I have more accounts so my opinion matters more.
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:46:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Big Al on 26/07/2008 16:46:29 /signed, will post with all 29 accounts in a random fashion.
loledit
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:49:00 -
[99]
Supportin dis.
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Svetogor
Xenobytes Stain Empire
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:49:00 -
[100]
Against
nerf lag & blob better
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Milena Rage
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:51:00 -
[101]
Being a pure gallente pilot I am pretty against changes that make it even easier to kite me outside of falloff.
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Creamster
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:59:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Creamster on 26/07/2008 17:00:20 Nice post, fully supported
___________ In Petition we trust |
xAirJetx
Solar Dragons Academy SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:59:00 -
[103]
Edited by: xAirJetx on 26/07/2008 17:02:57 SUPPORT THIS THREAD
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Svetogor
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:00:00 -
[104]
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9119
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:01:00 -
[105]
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Marissa Edildo
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:02:00 -
[106]
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:03:00 -
[107]
I'm against the nano nerf.
Do some ships and setups go too fast? Yes - this patch should be looking to bring down the extreme speeds of some setups that have things like boosters, full-grade snakes, T2 polys, the like. But, at the same time, it shouldn't smack "average" nanoships very hard, the ones with no snakes, T1 polys, and max skills.
The 7.5km scrambler is also a completely idiotic idea. It will seriously gimp Deimos and similar ships, ironically enough giving their cousin the Arazu an overpowered ability to both scram a target and keep it from running with a single module.
Click me! You know you want to... |
Fei Lu
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:03:00 -
[108]
Against!
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Fei Lu
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:04:00 -
[109]
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Yendaj
Heretic Research Heretic Nation
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:04:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Yendaj on 26/07/2008 17:04:59
Quote:
A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
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EvilBeaver
Unknown Legion Stella Polaris.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:04:00 -
[111]
Against |
Enchura
Xenobytes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:04:00 -
[112]
Against
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Flesh Rocket
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:05:00 -
[113]
Small, medium and large ships are pretty balanced right now.
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Venec
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:05:00 -
[114]
My nano backbone!
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NightHorror
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:06:00 -
[115]
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Enchura2
Xenobytes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:06:00 -
[116]
Against
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Val Heru
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:06:00 -
[117]
against!!
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Ding Zhan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:08:00 -
[118]
alt
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Enchura C
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:08:00 -
[119]
3 times against!
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Ling Zhan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:08:00 -
[120]
altalt
|
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Ting Zhan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:09:00 -
[121]
altaltalt
|
dkt
Xenobytes Stain Empire
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:09:00 -
[122]
Against!
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Marcellus Corteaz
Alt Corp
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:09:00 -
[123]
ching chong wing wong
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VOOOBLA
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:09:00 -
[124]
Against!
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Zaphod Beerox
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:10:00 -
[125]
Fully supporting. Nano nerf will result in more blobs.
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Kravek
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:11:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Kravek on 26/07/2008 17:14:37 Planed changes are good.
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Um Nik
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:11:00 -
[127]
Against
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xHedgEx
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:14:00 -
[128]
CCP send please your drugs which smoke.
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ArmT Zero
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:14:00 -
[129]
Against
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ia bystryi
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:14:00 -
[130]
Against
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Ever Red
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:14:00 -
[131]
Against
Nerf blob laaggs and cloak better...
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Pagey
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:15:00 -
[132]
why not reduce armor and shield amount of non-nano ships while you're at it
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Trash Monster
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:16:00 -
[133]
/signed
CCP will kill pilot mastery! I don't wanna be mooooo!
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WooooHooo
Federal Navy Academy
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:16:00 -
[134]
Edited by: WooooHooo on 26/07/2008 17:16:11
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Abadonna
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:16:00 -
[135]
Signed
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ArmaGrenddon
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:17:00 -
[136]
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Jeyra
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:17:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Jeyra on 26/07/2008 17:17:02 signed.
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benny boi
Pink Bunnies C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:21:00 -
[138]
signed
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Miamoto Mataky
Gallente Godot Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:21:00 -
[139]
oh, i'm against
----------- do I need to have a sig? |
Alayna Xaviere
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:22:00 -
[140]
no nerf meh blasterbots
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Elektrea
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:23:00 -
[141]
----------
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:26:00 -
[142]
Against.
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GROZAVICA
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:28:00 -
[143]
AGAINST !!!
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:42:00 -
[144]
Against the nuclear nerf. Four guys spent five hours and came up with crap as can be expected by such a small allocation of resource to such a complex and difficult problem. This colossal nerf affects so much more than speed, it's not the least bit funny.
On a positive note; if they release this nerf onto Tranquility, there will be far less of a lag problem. Fewer people playing = less lag. As for myself, I won't have to put up with any lag at all.........or EVE or CCP.
Windjammer
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Alex Kosh
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:53:00 -
[145]
CCP nerf the lags!!! against the nano nerf.
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Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:58:00 -
[146]
What an utterly idiotic suggestion CCP. It'd be nice if you actually took PVP seriously once in a while.
Against. ---
It's me. I'm the CEO in the OP. |
Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:06:00 -
[147]
I vote FOR THE change!
And since when do we need votes on anything? If its a game balancing/breaking Issue I could give a rats ass- If I were the dev team- about any number of votes to either side.
If I( the dev team) think the game needs to be rebalanced then I do it. Whiners be damned. I do it for the greater good, not one group or the other.
And since we ALL know the Dev team said that their engine and combat was nevr setup for these speeds, and they neeeded to change some stuff, our votes really dont mean $hit. They are changing the game becasue it needs it. NOT becasue we vote yes or no.
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Gajowy
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:13:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov I vote FOR THE change!
And since when do we need votes on anything? If its a game balancing/breaking Issue I could give a rats ass- If I were the dev team- about any number of votes to either side.
If I( the dev team) think the game needs to be rebalanced then I do it. Whiners be damned. I do it for the greater good, not one group or the other.
And since we ALL know the Dev team said that their engine and combat was nevr setup for these speeds, and they neeeded to change some stuff, our votes really dont mean $hit. They are changing the game becasue it needs it. NOT becasue we vote yes or no.
no they're changing game because of some fail fw noob players who cant counter nanos. make it a mining game wee!
Say NO to nerf
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Black Selenity
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:17:00 -
[149]
Against.
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GROZAVICA
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:17:00 -
[150]
AGAINST !!!
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Arengor
9th FLEET of REDARMY Red Army Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:29:00 -
[151]
Against. This nerf kills a lot of tactics in PvP.
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Yunaka Vicc
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:30:00 -
[152]
AGAINST |
Torpp
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:30:00 -
[153]
+1
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Tazaki
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:35:00 -
[154]
AGAINST
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sophisticatedlimabean
Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:35:00 -
[155]
Against
My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake. |
Boz Well
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:35:00 -
[156]
I'm against them implementing ALL of these changes at once. Pick a few, slow things down a bit, and reasses the situation then.
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Andnowthenews
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:36:00 -
[157]
against
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marakor
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:36:00 -
[158]
against
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:36:00 -
[159]
the dev's as usual got it all wrong. No to the nano nerf
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Murina
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:37:00 -
[160]
against
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lebrata
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:37:00 -
[161]
against
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Maku Dran
Jolly Roger.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:37:00 -
[162]
signed
BAD CCP BAD BOYZ
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:38:00 -
[163]
against
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Daelan Lok'errt
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:39:00 -
[164]
against.
there's plenty of anti-nano modules, ships and tactics out there already. nerf the multibillion snake set if you want, few people will notice it, but don't touch the T2 modules.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:39:00 -
[165]
against
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alterist
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:39:00 -
[166]
against
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gandrig
firestarters inc
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:40:00 -
[167]
against
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Commander Tigre
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:41:00 -
[168]
Against nerfing the minnies like this but I do support a MODERATE speed debuff to those ships that are not supposed to be nanoed.
"We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre |
Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:42:00 -
[169]
against.
After doing some math on the supposed new changes, they completely undervalue the basics of PvP that people have had padded down for years now.
You dont do something SOE did with SWG, CCP. You saw what that did to the game. Do you want the same to happen to EVE? -
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Lilith Velkor
Oyster Colors
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:42:00 -
[170]
/signed
too halfbaked and completely missing the problem, don't like it
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:43:00 -
[171]
If my vagabond setup is only going to do 3.3km/s and be able to be caught by any tech 1 frigate with a half-decent MWD fit...
I am going to say I am completely AGAINST the changes in this form. Change one thing at a time, maybe. But if CCP plans to make both of my minmatar spec'd characters completely useless for anything but flying Maelstroms (which require a gang to be useful)... i may as well re-roll and train amarr. ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar! |
Archetype02
Gallente Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:45:00 -
[172]
against
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Furry Crusader
Yiffy Ventures Inc
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:52:00 -
[173]
awefawef
|
Chunchang WaoDungpao
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:53:00 -
[174]
Im a tri alt, i support this thread.
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Miss Zyd
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:56:00 -
[175]
Against.
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CurlUpAndDie
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:59:00 -
[176]
Save the nanos!! ___________________________
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:00:00 -
[177]
guys i want to fly in really slow ships all day and be forced to outblob the other side even more. **** that.
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Alt Troll
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:01:00 -
[178]
i wonder if i can vote with multiple characters on an account ____________ FEED me! You know you want to -all posts made on this character represent the views of my main's corp, alliance, as well as the views of everyone else in EVE and in the universe.- |
Night Haunter
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:01:00 -
[179]
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SOH'CAH'TOA
Robber Barons Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:01:00 -
[180]
sweet.
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YAR''''''''''''''''''''R
Wiggerdly
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:04:00 -
[181]
z
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Galanthus
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:04:00 -
[182]
...
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LMA''''''''''''''''''''O
Standard Deviants Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:05:00 -
[183]
o
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ROF''''''''''''''''''''L
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:05:00 -
[184]
r *snip*. Signature removed as it is excessively distracting. Mail us at [email protected] if you have any further queries - Valorem |
Dray
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:07:00 -
[185]
I'm not saying no nano nerf, but ffs get a grip CCP and do it properly.
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Sayuki Matsumoto
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:07:00 -
[186]
zzzz
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Soban Vuex
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:07:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Soban Vuex on 26/07/2008 19:06:59 signed!
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Kuilespawn III
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:07:00 -
[188]
z
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PEMDAS
Standard Deviants Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:08:00 -
[189]
o Please don't link to that. Email us if you have any questions. -Ivan K |
Mattias Renholm
New Horizon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:08:00 -
[190]
/signed
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Chinkychow
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:13:00 -
[191]
Edited by: *****ychow on 26/07/2008 19:13:35
Originally by: mazzilliu guys i want to fly in really slow ships all day and be forced to outblob the other side even more. **** that.
I support what he is saying... I might fly a gankathron, but it's not exactly "fun" and hardly adrenaline pumping, since all I have to do is put out more DPS than the other guy
edit: page 8 snipa
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Jennifer Celeste
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:13:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Silver Sarena I am SOOOO tired of paying my monthly sub fee to get nerfed......
Yeah, big time AGAINST on this one....
last i checked, no ones forcing you to. If youre tired of paying for eve...then stop. Before you do, give me all ur shit. you wont be needing it where youre going. WoW has plenty of room for people like you.
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Amarr'Scum
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:13:00 -
[193]
fvfvvfv
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Wicked X
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:15:00 -
[194]
Against.
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D4RT N3RDiUS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:16:00 -
[195]
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Grml Z
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:16:00 -
[196]
against
_____________ I am a NoOb,and i am proud to be one! _____________ i cant speak english |
Redrum Samm
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:17:00 -
[197]
against....
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Kolo Benisi
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:17:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Kolo Benisi on 26/07/2008 19:16:58
Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Silver Sarena I am SOOOO tired of paying my monthly sub fee to get nerfed......
Yeah, big time AGAINST on this one....
last i checked, no ones forcing you to. If youre tired of paying for eve...then stop. Before you do, give me all ur shit. you wont be needing it where youre going. WoW has plenty of room for people like you.
How many times has a ship that you really like flying been nerfed and made your time or SP completely ****in useless?
Boosting the falcon again was the only thing CCP has done for a ship that I'm speccd to fly, and it'll get nerfed again once everyone goes to flying ECM boats since they can't avoid damage any other way.
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Enortiz
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:19:00 -
[199]
against
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Syntion
Gallente Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:20:00 -
[200]
against
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Ton'ko
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:20:00 -
[201]
support
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Da Speed
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:20:00 -
[202]
against
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Mica Swanhaven
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:23:00 -
[203]
not for
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BadXAss
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:24:00 -
[204]
I am against that nerf.
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Soulr3aper
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:25:00 -
[205]
i dont want nerf mi nanos
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Darth Semios
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:29:00 -
[206]
Against
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Mula Plateada
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:30:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Mula Plateada on 26/07/2008 19:30:19
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Miracle
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:31:00 -
[208]
I support this thread!
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:31:00 -
[209]
This
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Damion Zyne
Des Esseintes Social Club
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:32:00 -
[210]
.
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Captain Griefage
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:33:00 -
[211]
Totally against this nano nerf
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Lorzion
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:34:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Lorzion on 26/07/2008 19:35:34 im against the nerf
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Boogle Mcfoog
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:35:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Boogle Mcfoog on 26/07/2008 19:35:26 I'm fully against the nerf
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DAgir
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:35:00 -
[214]
against
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Deathcharge
SIEGE. The Border Patrol
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:35:00 -
[215]
Why don't blob bears actually start working for their kills for once...
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SongWei
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:41:00 -
[216]
I'm against the idea of nerfing nanos.... if your gonna nerf the nanos only nerf snakes
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Zloi Duh
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:46:00 -
[217]
I support this thread!
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Milochka
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:47:00 -
[218]
I am AGAINST speed nerf !
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WNT TK
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:48:00 -
[219]
/me against nano-nerf !
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:48:00 -
[220]
I support a more thought out approach rather than massive nerfing. Im against the nerf outlined in the dev blog
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Praporschik
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:50:00 -
[221]
against
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TJ17
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:51:00 -
[222]
dont support this nerf one bit it will only encourage bigger blobs and more lag
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Seth Rock
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:53:00 -
[223]
/signed _________________________________________
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Severion Atarkos
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:54:00 -
[224]
I'm AGAINST the nano nerf
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Emy l
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:54:00 -
[225]
Against.
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General Spaz
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:54:00 -
[226]
Edited by: General Spaz on 26/07/2008 19:54:31 Nerf Snakes.
Everything else is fine, CCP... not everyone runs around with polycarbs and Snakes on their nanoships. Some people who fly nano's can lose ships and are easily killed all the time.
Like the poster above me said, you are further encouraging blobs.... stop it.
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Bruce McLovin
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:55:00 -
[227]
AGAINST the speed nerf |
Tapper Jackson
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:55:00 -
[228]
Against this unbelievably huge cluster nerf. You wanna nerf top end speed, then do it. Not all this other stuff as well. Regards, Tapper Jackson Shoot em till they squeak. |
Puzzleface
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:56:00 -
[229]
Terrible changes
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Slapnuts McGee
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:57:00 -
[230]
putting my support in against the nano nerf
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xGRIMERx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:57:00 -
[231]
the they with change is done is unacceptable
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Napoleon Bonapart
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:58:00 -
[232]
horrible nerf ccp, supporting this thread
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Re'quiem
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:58:00 -
[233]
I'm against the nano-NERF in the current form!
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Seth McGee
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:58:00 -
[234]
I support this thread |
GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:59:00 -
[235]
im definitly AGAINST proposed changes
speed could use balanced changes in a way that it remains viable tactic not trashed into oblivion like they are suggesting now |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:01:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Tzujeih Lookit all these worthless fuggen posters.
If you don't test it out, your opinion is worthless.
Since nobody can test it yet, you're all worthless.
Now who do you suppose such a huge nerf will benefit? Goonswarm and their blob tactics? Naaaawwww. Couldn't be.
Windjammer
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Liteik
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:02:00 -
[237]
I'm AGAINST the nano nerf
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Irsy
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:04:00 -
[238]
AGAINST!
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Bibster
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:05:00 -
[239]
no nano nerf.
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Lord Arest
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:07:00 -
[240]
CCP, can i have your stuff?
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Ellatan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:07:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Ellatan on 26/07/2008 20:07:51 Against Nano-nerf. I think that scrambler idea (maybe a little modified) is great though bringing some life back to Gallente Recons. ECM should be looked at imho, but most of all Lag issues.
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THE CHAOSMASTER
Mark Septim Corp Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:14:00 -
[242]
AGAINST NERF --------------------- Arrrrgh, i ll consume your brain and your market... |
Silver Leaflet
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:14:00 -
[243]
Against.
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Lab freak
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:15:00 -
[244]
AGAINST
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Lemonx
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:16:00 -
[245]
Supported |
LightSnow
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:16:00 -
[246]
I'm AGAINST the nano nerf
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Death One
Starbridge
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:16:00 -
[247]
Against nerf.
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Bakumatsu
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:17:00 -
[248]
Voting against the nerf in its current form.
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ISpydeRI
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:19:00 -
[249]
against ccp's fail ideas
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Emy l
SoT
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:20:00 -
[250]
Against
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:21:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Tzujeih Lookit all these worthless fuggen posters.
If you don't test it out, your opinion is worthless.
Since nobody can test it yet, you're all worthless.
Now who do you suppose such a huge nerf will benefit? Goonswarm and their blob tactics? Naaaawwww. Couldn't be.
Windjammer
Now who do you suppose is a stupid pubbie crying tears over nerfs during their conception stage.
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OxyG3n2143
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:23:00 -
[252]
Against
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n4DuL
Minmatar Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:24:00 -
[253]
AGAINST OR I WILL CANCELL MY 2 ACCOUNTS ****ING STUPID NERF |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:25:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Tzujeih
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Tzujeih Lookit all these worthless fuggen posters.
If you don't test it out, your opinion is worthless.
Since nobody can test it yet, you're all worthless.
Now who do you suppose such a huge nerf will benefit? Goonswarm and their blob tactics? Naaaawwww. Couldn't be.
Windjammer
Now who do you suppose is a stupid pubbie crying tears over nerfs during their conception stage.
If someone were to propose the banning of Goonswarm, Something Aweful, etc. from EVE, what would your response be? We need to test it on Sisi to determine if it's a bad idea? I think not.
Windjammer
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:26:00 -
[255]
Originally by: n4DuL AGAINST OR I WILL CANCELL MY 2 ACCOUNTS
Goodbye!!
I find it verry funny that fron the looks of everyone against..ignoring alts.... that 70+% or so of all those against come from 3 or so alliances....
adapt or die nano***s.
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Aimel
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:26:00 -
[256]
against
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Nas Xafat
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:27:00 -
[257]
AGAINST OR I WILL CANCELL MY 2 ACCOUNTS
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n4DuL
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:29:00 -
[258]
AGAINST OR I WILL CANCELL MY 2 ACCOUNTS ****ING STUPID NERF |
Daemi
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:30:00 -
[259]
Edited by: Daemi on 26/07/2008 20:31:15 against nerf! ________________________________________________ I am Alpha and Omega, beginning and the end, the first and the last.... |
Ellatan Deruimte
HAMMER -N- SICKEL Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:31:00 -
[260]
Against nano-nerf.
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beth blaze
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:35:00 -
[261]
against
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Imperius Blackheart
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:37:00 -
[262]
Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 26/07/2008 20:37:16 Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 26/07/2008 20:36:57 Nano needs to be dealt with but buff the counters don't remove the cause. No matter what you might think speed is *fun*... and fun is important.
A lot of what is proposed is completely over the top. Consider perhaps a Hictor script which has a slight web effect or something of that nature... The MWD nerf is OTT. And don't get me started on the web nerf...
Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:37:00 -
[263]
Free Gneeznow!
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Blade Slinger
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:37:00 -
[264]
So against this. Nerf speed, not all of EVE.
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Lagkills
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:37:00 -
[265]
Edited by: Lagkills on 26/07/2008 20:38:22 Supported
Damn nice lolizers... |
Risto Roisto
Spacegoat Enterprises
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:37:00 -
[266]
FOR the nerf. Even though it might require quite a bit balancing before releasing it on TQ.
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Shmeil
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:37:00 -
[267]
Against nano-nerf.
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Marchant LaCroix
Gallente Ma-Ven Industries
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:38:00 -
[268]
Goodbye nano ships. I won't miss you one bit.
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Dungar Loghoth
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:39:00 -
[269]
Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 26/07/2008 20:39:04 Way too much. Fix polys, evaluate after a month or two and see if more nerfing is required. You're changing too much too quickly. ---
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Tobias Lee
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:46:00 -
[270]
Just nerf all nano equipment same way as warp core stabs with a lock range and or penalty per module fitted ie overdrive polycarb etc means u can still rig for speed for running away but pretty crap for pvp. It worked for the core stabs dont see people flying with 4 stabs on now.
I'm more concerned with halving the webber penalty that sucks makes huggins a pile of crap :(
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BruceLee CRO
Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:47:00 -
[271]
against
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Maximus1234
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:48:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Maximus1234 on 26/07/2008 20:50:42 Edited by: Maximus1234 on 26/07/2008 20:50:22 even RNI pilot is against it. p.s. guys plx dont forget click on checkbox "Support this topiс". it makes your vote usefull
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Taikumy
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:49:00 -
[273]
against
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Aideware Batha
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:50:00 -
[274]
AGAINST who will kill me if there is no more nano ? so definetly against for more fun
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LiMa pErRe
Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:50:00 -
[275]
dont ****ing nerf it
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Tedris Hano
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:50:00 -
[276]
against
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Jasmine Rapier
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:51:00 -
[277]
AGAINST
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Jia Mei
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:52:00 -
[278]
totally against this "killer - eve online" nerf ! If this will happen I bet lots of players will leave the eve-game comunity.
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viDuL
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:53:00 -
[279]
Against
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H3llfire
Dark Ashes Circle-Of-Two
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:55:00 -
[280]
Against
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OPERATE YA
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:56:00 -
[281]
O MUCH AGAINST
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WETRAIN
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:57:00 -
[282]
against
CAOD IS EPIC FAIL! |
MaLa ZoRRa
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:57:00 -
[283]
AGAINST
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.26 20:57:00 -
[284]
Against nanonerf
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ranna sleeper
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:00:00 -
[285]
Edited by: ranna sleeper on 26/07/2008 21:01:35 Edited by: ranna sleeper on 26/07/2008 21:01:24 AGAINST
nano bs is stupid, but nurfing most if not all nano ships gimps ALOT of ppl, minmatar pilots specifically since most their smaller ships HAVE to be speed tanked
while i'm all for a nurf on poly carbs, and even a nurf on implants, nurfing ALL of it and this "we're going to gimp mwd's straight into the grave" however, is going to screw way to many many ships... and i dont look forward to the day when drakes become the next big thing for pvp <.< -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
(thanks to fragito for the sig) please note my comments and thoughts are my own and |
DelboyTrotter
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:08:00 -
[286]
. |
The Editor
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:09:00 -
[287]
Against..
Looks like CCP used a shotgun approach to this problem.
While I don't deny that nanos needs adjusting, some of the of the proposed fixes (i.e Webs/scram changes) are going to cause more problems(and eventully more whines)
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FlyHigh
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:11:00 -
[288]
Against
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MacGrowler III
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:11:00 -
[289]
Edited by: MacGrowler III on 26/07/2008 21:11:41 Against
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Trader Girle
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:11:00 -
[290]
Against
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Angelreaper2d
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:16:00 -
[291]
Against
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Kalek Astroth
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:24:00 -
[292]
against
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ISOLD
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:24:00 -
[293]
AGAINST! this will destroy all the fun in eve.
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Wrongstuff
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:25:00 -
[294]
AGAINST
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troiola
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:26:00 -
[295]
against
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DoctorM
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:26:00 -
[296]
AGAINST
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Dark Eirlys
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:27:00 -
[297]
AGAINST
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Dafo
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:27:00 -
[298]
against
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DoctorMale
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:28:00 -
[299]
Against COMMANDO ULTRA' CURVA SUD |
TROBLIS BANHA
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:28:00 -
[300]
against!
|
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Marvix
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:29:00 -
[301]
AGAINST
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pizditoru
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:29:00 -
[302]
AGAINST
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mago donascimento
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:29:00 -
[303]
against of course
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wanda marchi
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:31:00 -
[304]
against!!
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pizditoru
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:32:00 -
[305]
Edited by: pizditoru on 26/07/2008 21:32:09
|
diavolaccio
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:32:00 -
[306]
against!!
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Serocco
Amarr Independent nation
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:32:00 -
[307]
AGAINST!!!!!!!!!! its our death, dont do it!
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birubiru
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:33:00 -
[308]
against that stupid nerf
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Roy Johns
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:34:00 -
[309]
AGAINST!!WTF!
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Allegranza Astroth
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:34:00 -
[310]
AGAINST
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Captain Longshlong
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:36:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Captain Longshlong on 26/07/2008 21:36:05 +1, wtg ccp
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Ice Phrozen
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:36:00 -
[312]
Duh...
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muila
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:37:00 -
[313]
against
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JR HAWK
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:37:00 -
[314]
AGAINST!!!
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Zeiris
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:37:00 -
[315]
Speed is the only way to get through gatecamps. Kill speed, and you kill the ability to solo... Kill the ability to run from overwhelming blobs... Make numbers > all.
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Kebabski
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:37:00 -
[316]
Against
'Peachy Lil Babe'
|
dvorakk
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:38:00 -
[317]
against!!!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:38:00 -
[318]
BUT IM TOO STUIPID TO KILLZ A NAANZ FIGHATRE!
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:38:00 -
[319]
Bloody signed.
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HarryAR
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:39:00 -
[320]
AGAINST!
|
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Danthomir
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:40:00 -
[321]
Dumb on so many levels I don't have time to describe 'em... Kills solo (disposable alt scout != solo), makes jumping into a fleet an even bigger disadvantage, makes numbers even more important.
Dumb.
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Yuntai
Isa Vodum Malachai Fa'an
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:40:00 -
[322]
Against
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bubu jupanul
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:40:00 -
[323]
AGAINST
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Xa'nadu
Isa Vodum Malachai Fa'an
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:40:00 -
[324]
Against
|
bdkov
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:41:00 -
[325]
AGAINST
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HoIIy Smoke
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
|
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:42:00 -
[326]
Edited by: HoIIy Smoke on 26/07/2008 21:45:31 against
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:42:00 -
[327]
Edited by: Aberash on 26/07/2008 21:43:54 Againsttttt
.:Aberash's EvE GFX Gallery:. |
negutatoru
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:42:00 -
[328]
Against. Snakes are a bit overpowered however.
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ian666
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:45:00 -
[329]
signed, against
its time to nerf ccp's salary
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Rohdom
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:46:00 -
[330]
Against
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attitude man
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:46:00 -
[331]
Against
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drumetu
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:46:00 -
[332]
Against.
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Cachondo
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:47:00 -
[333]
IF YOU SUPPORT THIS THREAD, PLEASE CHECK THE 'SUPPORT' CHECKBOX WHEN REPLYING, YOU CANNOT JUST REPLY OR YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT!
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Cubana69
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:47:00 -
[334]
AGAINST.
Nanos are the only way this game actually gives the sensation of "flying" your ship. More, imho this nerf will ruin what's been done by the "need for speed" philosophy and it withdrwas focus for the actual skill of the pilot. So, vote against this nano-nerf and against CCP's "shooting-your-own-foot" Dev's that contradict the whole game's spirit and the previous work.
cheers
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Jolinee
Caldari Norfan Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:48:00 -
[335]
against
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Lois Bishop
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:51:00 -
[336]
this be wack yo!
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Kelbryn
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:51:00 -
[337]
I approve this message...
I vote NO on the nano nerf.
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Sorenja
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:52:00 -
[338]
zogm wtf! nononono
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:53:00 -
[339]
Against
If this goes ahead, then this cements the way this game is fast becoming Supercaps/Blob online.. -
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Neurosis
Minmatar RillaCorp Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:54:00 -
[340]
NERF IT, NERF the biggest blob creator ever made as well the dictor _________________________________________________' "I have the ability and the experience to do destroy BoB and believe me, BoB is getting desperate" 'Madeye'McCreedy'
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:54:00 -
[341]
I support most of the nano nerf, but if it is going to go through with the MWD-killing 7.5km scramblers motion, then I see no other option but to block it as this part does not solve the speed problem; all it does is destroy blasterboats.
I have voted in support of both the For and Against threads for this reason.
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Mistress Malediction
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:04:00 -
[342]
against.
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DigiFusion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:05:00 -
[343]
Against
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ZaaK Danieel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:06:00 -
[344]
Just for know, GM's do another thing than missions in this game ?? Are they trying to do some pvp sometime ?
AGAINST !!!!
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Arkenea
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:06:00 -
[345]
against
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Allanon Wren
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:06:00 -
[346]
against.
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Panathea Artigan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:06:00 -
[347]
against
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:06:00 -
[348]
Against
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:07:00 -
[349]
AGAINST
What needs nerf: Polycarbons (rest is fine)
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T2Trader
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:07:00 -
[350]
Edited by: T2Trader on 26/07/2008 22:08:14 against.
being for would involve supporting blobs and caps online.
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Tanitha
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:07:00 -
[351]
against
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altechko
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:08:00 -
[352]
against
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lordleguven
Einmal mit Profis arbeiten eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:08:00 -
[353]
Edited by: lordleguven on 26/07/2008 22:08:06 Against, once again CCP kneejerk nerfing,
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Robert Torrens
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:09:00 -
[354]
Edited by: Robert Torrens on 26/07/2008 22:09:54 Against
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:09:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Cubana69 AGAINST.
Nanos are the only way this game actually gives the sensation of "flying" your ship. More, imho this nerf will ruin what's been done by the "need for speed" philosophy and it withdrwas focus for the actual skill of the pilot. So, vote against this nano-nerf and against CCP's "shooting-your-own-foot" Dev's that contradict the whole game's spirit and the previous work.
cheers
You do realize the first thing they did in the Need for Speed initiative was to nerf speed the first time.....right? Because everything moving soo fast puts a strain on the servers and makes lag much more pronounced...
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herasin
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:10:00 -
[356]
Edited by: herasin on 26/07/2008 22:12:48 Against
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Samantha Carter
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:12:00 -
[357]
Against
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Anyanka Nagazaan
Minmatar eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:13:00 -
[358]
Against
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Darpz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:14:00 -
[359]
against
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Mad Eyes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:15:00 -
[360]
Signed.
This will only encourage more blobbing and lag fights.
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Kish Lorenn
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:16:00 -
[361]
against
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WCBirdman
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:17:00 -
[362]
removes snakes, apply stacking thast fine but ccp is altering too many parameters everytime. Devs get a hobby or something.
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SevereMan
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:17:00 -
[363]
signed
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Piper Halliwell
Phantom Squad G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:17:00 -
[364]
Against -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:24:00 -
[365]
Edited by: Inertial on 26/07/2008 22:24:48
Originally by: Steel Tigeress
Originally by: Cubana69 AGAINST.
Nanos are the only way this game actually gives the sensation of "flying" your ship. More, imho this nerf will ruin what's been done by the "need for speed" philosophy and it withdrwas focus for the actual skill of the pilot. So, vote against this nano-nerf and against CCP's "shooting-your-own-foot" Dev's that contradict the whole game's spirit and the previous work.
cheers
You do realize the first thing they did in the Need for Speed initiative was to nerf speed the first time.....right? Because everything moving soo fast puts a strain on the servers and makes lag much more pronounced...
What people are railing against isn't a nano nerf, its this nano nerf, CCP is taking it too far (reminds me of a surgeon trying to remove a tumor with a sledge hammer, would be better off with a scalpel wouldn't he?).
btw: 300 people have supported this thread at least (350+ with those who failed to check the support box) while in the other thread about 100 people have supported. Going with this, it seems like a lot more people don't want this fix, than the number of people who want it
EdIT: page 15 snipa! "BOOM HEADSHOT"
we are recruiting!
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Jim06
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:25:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Jim06 on 26/07/2008 22:32:21 against
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Doomdutch
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:25:00 -
[367]
Edited by: Doomdutch on 26/07/2008 22:25:43 Against
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hugo potente
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:26:00 -
[368]
against
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sh0tz
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:26:00 -
[369]
Edited by: sh0tz on 26/07/2008 22:32:51 against
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Enmel
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:26:00 -
[370]
Against the nano nerf.
Seriously CCP wake up...
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Felix Cimney
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:27:00 -
[371]
Edited by: Felix Cimney on 26/07/2008 22:27:53 against
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stranac
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:28:00 -
[372]
against for sure
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Demongorge
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:30:00 -
[373]
against
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THE WAG
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:31:00 -
[374]
against
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Blafbeest
Gallente North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:31:00 -
[375]
i am in PL so obviousley agains it :-)
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:32:00 -
[376]
AGAINST the nano nerf.
in a game where capitals can just sit there in docking range tanking a fleet and kill rediculous numbers of ppl then just deagress and click dock, we need the ability to get them out of docking range or solo station camping in capitals becomes overpowered.
the balance in this game atm the moment is nearly perfect. spend tons of isk on a well fit expensive battleship, mods, and implants, and you can kill that carrier or dread that costs less than your bumping ship.
i admit that i havnt been playing eve for the last few months but i intend on coming back to the game, and i have kept both of my accounts active durring the time ive been gone.
everyone knows i love extremly fast ships and i swear to God: CCP if you make my machariel slow, i will NOT start playing your game again in 3 months when my dsl arrives. furthermore i will cancel my accounts that i have kept paid for and active since you would be taking away the one thing that makes this game fun for me.
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RipJok3r
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:33:00 -
[377]
against
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Taip
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:36:00 -
[378]
Edited by: Taip on 26/07/2008 22:36:14 Against.
Simply because it doesn't seem very well thought out to me, a solution to silly km/sec is neeeded but surely they can do it without completely chaning pvp dynamics all over again.
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olhaonegao
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:36:00 -
[379]
signed!
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Tani Hasegawa
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:36:00 -
[380]
Edited by: Tani Hasegawa on 26/07/2008 22:36:16 Against!
Nano Nerf FTL!
Eve will be boredom =/
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Spinnukur
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:36:00 -
[381]
Against the nerf, whoever thought of this at CCP should be fired...All that will be left if no nano is BLOB warfare an we have clearly seen how CCP's server respond to BLOBS
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Selim
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:39:00 -
[382]
Supportin' dis.
If they really need to do something, just nerf snakes and polys... they've got to be insane to throw these terrible ideas out there.
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XVSSBR
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:40:00 -
[383]
AGAINST!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:40:00 -
[384]
Yep basically there are several VERY important areas of the pvp game that need fixing before speed. And I'm definitely against this "nano-nerf" coming before such issues as anti-blob measures in 0.0, sovereignty warfare, even de-aggression timers, remote-rep flagging, alliances in faction warfare and even things like loot ownership in pvp. We had a chance at the CSM to prioritize these issues and speed-nerfing didn't even make the first cut.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Kimiyo Ishikawa
Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:40:00 -
[385]
Against.
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OCD Gira
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:40:00 -
[386]
AGAINST!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:40:00 -
[387]
Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 26/07/2008 22:42:40
Originally by: Inertial Edited by: Inertial on 26/07/2008 22:24:48
Originally by: Steel Tigeress
Originally by: Cubana69 AGAINST.
Nanos are the only way this game actually gives the sensation of "flying" your ship. More, imho this nerf will ruin what's been done by the "need for speed" philosophy and it withdrwas focus for the actual skill of the pilot. So, vote against this nano-nerf and against CCP's "shooting-your-own-foot" Dev's that contradict the whole game's spirit and the previous work.
cheers
You do realize the first thing they did in the Need for Speed initiative was to nerf speed the first time.....right? Because everything moving soo fast puts a strain on the servers and makes lag much more pronounced...
What people are railing against isn't a nano nerf, its this nano nerf, CCP is taking it too far (reminds me of a surgeon trying to remove a tumor with a sledge hammer, would be better off with a scalpel wouldn't he?).
btw: 300 people have supported this thread at least (350+ with those who failed to check the support box) while in the other thread about 100 people have supported. Going with this, it seems like a lot more people don't want this fix, than the number of people who want it
EdIT: page 15 snipa! "BOOM HEADSHOT"
Except that most people dont post at all unless they are unhappy.
Somone said it in a different thread and its probably pretty close to true:
90% of people who are happy dont post. 90% of people that are unhappy post.
Its why when there was no nerf on the horizon, the forums were filled with people complaining about nano's, and only a few people responded to them in defence of nanoing all the time. Generally regurgitating the same tired "counters" to nano's which all entailed either flying a BS so you could fit a hvy neut, or flying a nano yourself... those were not counters, its pidgeonholing.
I'm for the changes because it rebalances the ships. Those that were meant to be fast still will be, Inties and frigs. Cruiser sized ships wont be as fast as they used to be, they will be catchable by the things meant to catch them, like small drones, the small ships, and some missles.
Warp Scramblers are getting a buff, a good thing cause who used them anyways. The web nerf is actually a AB buff in disguise.... a tacler with a Scrambler and a web will slow down a ship with a MWD more than befor, by like 2%, but will only slow down an AB fitted ship by 50-60%.
Ships will still be able to be fast.... somone did the math in the dev thread on the blog, and the dev was mistaken. It wont take snakes to get a Vaga up to 4K, a t2 fit vaga will still pass that without implants.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:48:00 -
[388]
+1
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Viper Shizzle
Xan-Tek Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:48:00 -
[389]
+1
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:51:00 -
[390]
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Sealime
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:51:00 -
[391]
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seliana tanis
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:51:00 -
[392]
Against!
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:52:00 -
[393]
Wow, alt voting ftl....
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:55:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Steel Tigeress Wow, alt voting ftl....
Don't worry too much. The CSM admins have a way to see how many actual accounts support rather than individual supports (which can obviously be 3 per account). When this gets to the wire we'll be able to call for an accurate indication of player sentiment either way (this and the pro-nerf camp).
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Shad0w Hawk
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:57:00 -
[395]
against it.
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MARC181983
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:57:00 -
[396]
Its just plain bull , ruins the entire game.
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:00:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Steel Tigeress Wow, alt voting ftl....
Don't worry too much. The CSM admins have a way to see how many actual accounts support rather than individual supports (which can obviously be 3 per account). When this gets to the wire we'll be able to call for an accurate indication of player sentiment either way (this and the pro-nerf camp).
Thats good to know. I have 2 accounts but still only vote 1x because I'm just 1 person.
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Beastoria
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:01:00 -
[398]
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Fabric Live
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:02:00 -
[399]
against it
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Saphire Emerald
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:03:00 -
[400]
against this change
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Steroid Abuser
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:04:00 -
[401]
Edited by: Steroid Abuser on 26/07/2008 23:04:09 AGAINST
spending almost 1 year of skillpoints to have them just made Worthless is not my idea of a cool thing
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Veronica D'Vaughn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:04:00 -
[402]
against
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Pattern Clarc
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:06:00 -
[403]
Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 26/07/2008 23:06:30 Some quotes the CCP should take into consideration.
Quote: 1) The nerf doesn't fix anything, ships will still be able to go beyond the magic number and receive no damage, it's just a little harder. The mechanics is broken, hit effects and missiles are heavily simplified, instead of motion predictive effects, acceleration or deltaV, you have raw speed and transversal vs range determine the damage you receive. Until you fix this, you will not receive a fair mechanic for either side.
2) Most of the PvP'ers who you see as for nano's, are really just against the ******s you can't figure out how to deal with a tactic in the game. The real question is how do you deal with neuts and ECM?
3) 100mill ISK Cruisers flying at 2-3kms (before gang mods) did actually make sense, they where not immune to all damage, just stupid caldari HAM spammers (lasers really hurt Sad) and had a use/role outside that of what battlecruisers and frigs did.
4) People just can't seem to grasp the fact that you cant kill what you can't catch, it's a fundamental law of nature, if it's faster than you, it's going to get away, just as people will blob or go home when faced with an objective. It's just sheer pandering and idiocy that suggests we should be able to 'force engagements' magically, against anything that we are unable to out manoeuvre.
5) And what happens when we force an engagement???? The magical holy grail of PvP???? You either tank and gank, die, get ECM'ed or lag strikes and your left with the role of a dice... 80% of tactics and strategy in EvE revolves around starting a fight, unfortunately, it's like masturbating with sandpaper with a pay-off less pleasant than a poke in the eye with a rusty stick. Until there are more real time tactics in eve you shouldn't be touting that OMG, we cant force engagements bullcrap.
6) Most of EvE's problems fundamentally revolves around the laziness/ineptitude of the dev's, it took them 1 year to write that dev blog, jesusteddy****ingchrist, someone give them a noble prize.
Quote: the nerfing of nanos only serves to strengthen the DEFENSIVE side of EVE even more. The defense already has an undeniable advantage in large-scale gameplay, thus REDUCING fights. Nerfing nanos brings the scale even more in favor of a defensive style of play, thus REDUCING fights.
CCP needs to learn that they need to facilitate OFFENSIVE play, to make ATTACKING the normal mode of play. Offense is dynamic, defense is static and boring. Do they want to turn the game into a feudal contest where nobody leaves their borders except to siege a POS?
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Gripen
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:10:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Steel Tigeress Wow, alt voting ftl....
Don't worry too much. The CSM admins have a way to see how many actual accounts support rather than individual supports (which can obviously be 3 per account). When this gets to the wire we'll be able to call for an accurate indication of player sentiment either way (this and the pro-nerf camp).
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Faragher
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:13:00 -
[405]
Against
Completely stupid idea and badly thought out. |
AnmmnA
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:13:00 -
[406]
I support Nano-nerf
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:13:00 -
[407]
100% Against NANO nerf.
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Solid Trust
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:15:00 -
[408]
against
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:15:00 -
[409]
I believe the nerf is to heavy handed. They need to readjust it.
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Bobby2Sox
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:15:00 -
[410]
Against |
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Kingdon Brunel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:17:00 -
[411]
Against |
Himphotep 87
Caldari Capital Produce Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:17:00 -
[412]
against
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Voxis
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:18:00 -
[413]
Against the nerf in its cutrrnt form.
I am especially against nerfing my 3 Billion worth of implants.
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Pattern Clarc
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:19:00 -
[414]
Originally by: AnmmnA I support Nano-nerf
lol, posting in the anti nerf thread ftl
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Gho Higyidr
Black Serpent Technologies Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:20:00 -
[415]
Edited by: Gho Higyidr on 26/07/2008 23:20:58
Originally by: Voxis Against the nerf in its cutrrnt form.
I am especially against nerfing my 3 Billion worth of implants.
Against. I think it could use a little nerfing, however not the the extent in the blog. And why would one make implants that cost 3 BILLION only to nerf the living f*** outta them and screw gamers out of a lot os isk. That's just not fair.
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Atreus Danerun
Caldari Bank
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:21:00 -
[416]
Against the stupid nerf! CCP is making a mistake.
T2 SALES & SERVICE
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RuleoftheBone
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:22:00 -
[417]
Against.
Also...nerf bios.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Emerald FlintDeadEye
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:23:00 -
[418]
Against. This nerf kills a lot of tactics in PvP.
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Crushall
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:23:00 -
[419]
Against
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Sister MaryElephant
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:23:00 -
[420]
I am so against this.
My braids are uncurling.
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Velvet69
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:24:00 -
[421]
Against
IXC Velvet69 Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn' |
Jah Rule
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:25:00 -
[422]
No thanks. |
KayO
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:26:00 -
[423]
i havent read any of this thread (only the title) but
I could live with a nerf to nanos ie make speed mods stack so say you had 2 polys then 2 ods in your lows any other ods/nano/istabs would have little effect but a lot o fthe ideas in the blog seem a bit excessive to say the least, i'll have to wait to see what it's like in actuall game play when it hits sisi but for the moment
AGAINST
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Zoon Muidac
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:29:00 -
[424]
This is how people who dont want to do pos shite anymore fight, try fixing lag and titan crap, tyvm.
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Emerald FlintDeadEye
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:30:00 -
[425]
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Gobbins
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:33:00 -
[426]
AGAINST
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Robrian
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:36:00 -
[427]
I vote against.
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Bloodst0ne
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:36:00 -
[428]
no ner***e
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Hyperion Endymion
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:37:00 -
[429]
against nerf
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Kraleak
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:37:00 -
[430]
I support dis 'fred!
Quote: Originally by: CCP Prism X omgomgomgomg....gag me with a SPOON!
Quote:
Originally by: CCP Prism X devs are tasty treats
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Diehard Si
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:40:00 -
[431]
Edited by: Diehard Si on 26/07/2008 23:40:59 Well against, this nerf idea is a joke and a discrace to a good game.
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Sykes
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:42:00 -
[432]
CCP need to fix all the overpowered advantages (cyno jammers, system scanners, jump bridges) that they've given to the big 0.0 territory holders before they mess with the only tactic that currently makes it viable for a smaller corporation to take on the complacent big boys. If these changes go through, the only solution to the jump bridged blob will be a bigger blob.
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Fantasticles
Northern Exposure
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:42:00 -
[433]
Just.. NO to these changes, far too many changes for a single nerf and in the process weakening the Minmatar HACs and Recons too much. .
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deadok
RUS Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:42:00 -
[434]
too harsh. ballance can't be achieved this way
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Hortoken Wolfbrother
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:43:00 -
[435]
So much worse in game needs to be fixed first.
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Doc Zid
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:43:00 -
[436]
Against
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Woo Glin
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:45:00 -
[437]
Against the nerf in its current form.
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:45:00 -
[438]
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:49:00 -
[439]
too much, too fast, and is like a headshot to the handful of decent minmatar ships
huginn/rapier -> webs suck and gallente recons can do their role as well now
vaga -> dead in the water
stabber -> same as vaga
at best, the rest of our ships are all also-rans at best, terrible at worst
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Targar
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:49:00 -
[440]
AGAINST - my only caveat is that i think snakes are a bit overpowered, but your average pilot doesnt have billons of isk of implant in their head. nerfing a whole style of tactics just because of this is stupid.
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ATEU
Einmal mit Profis arbeiten eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:50:00 -
[441]
/signed
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Tech two
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:56:00 -
[442]
Against
Going way to far
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Reza Pluss
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:57:00 -
[443]
Absolutely against the nerf.
Add a new module, the microwarpdrive disruptor. Leave everything else as is.
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Reitora
The Mission
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:00:00 -
[444]
AGAINST
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Eric Bristow
Suggested Practice
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:01:00 -
[445]
Edited by: Eric Bristow on 27/07/2008 00:00:41 Against: Find a way of sorting problems without ruining the game for everyone please!
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Razor W
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:02:00 -
[446]
AGAINST.
This will kill the effectiveness of small gang PvP. http://pestilentindustries.org/ |
Be'me
DC IN
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:04:00 -
[447]
+1
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Arkanjuca
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:09:00 -
[448]
give skirmish a chance! -- AF should be like HACs
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Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:09:00 -
[449]
/signed
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Valuv
NightHawk Phantom Fleet The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:11:00 -
[450]
Just nerf poly carbs, leave others alone.
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Alex Foradlera
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:13:00 -
[451]
sry, but I am against. That`s a madnes to change half of the game to kill "uber"-nano.
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Zigg Omelo
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:18:00 -
[452]
Against it in its current unbalanced form, too many variables nerfed at once...
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Mysdora
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:20:00 -
[453]
I don't really see how the proposed changes would support my goal of enjoying pvp without getting entangled in laggy blob warfare.
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:29:00 -
[454]
Voting.
As with all reactionary game mechanic changes, it goes way too far. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Sieessenschwanz
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:30:00 -
[455]
voting
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Taex
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:31:00 -
[456]
no more nerfs
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Pran Chole
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:31:00 -
[457]
Voting no to blobs.
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Tepelath
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:32:00 -
[458]
They can't be serious.
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Detech
Corrective Action Team Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:35:00 -
[459]
Voting
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Shala Angelina
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:42:00 -
[460]
Do you REALLY need to nerf EVERYONE to take the edge off a few people who you CLAIM have an unfair advantage CCP? Apparently, you think you do. That is why I have to give this a big AGAINST.
If you need to address people that you see have an unfair advantage, fine. Address THEM. THIER ships. THEIR high-end modules and implants. Why does EVERYONE have to pay for your perceived abuses of a few?
Find a way to do this with some common sense, or leave it alone CCP.
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atrophocy
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:43:00 -
[461]
definately against. very badly thought through as usual from ccp
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XxNukeyxX
FroZen SoulS G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:48:00 -
[462]
Against
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sue AGPlant
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:55:00 -
[463]
Yes the nano needs a nerf but wow talk about a sledge hammer way of doing it.
fix the stacking penelties to where they should be fix the overpowerd pollies then see where we are at before smashing the 1 style of play that actualy requires some skill from the player. Nano ***ging since 2006 |
Vanquish De'Enemi
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 00:58:00 -
[464]
in present form this is a bad nerf
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Ruze
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:10:00 -
[465]
Support!
I supported both sides. I think making votes and vetos on a dev action, though, is pushing the rights of players. Personally? This is probably the best argument against having CSM's.
A lot of players believe they have some mysterious god-given right to control how an MMO grows and develops. They forget they are consumers, and thus their reign of control is limited to continuing to pay for the product, or not.
When players starting holding sit-ins, votes and vetoes, thinking they will be taken seriously ... especially before the changes even go to TEST ... that's when I think devs need to take action and shut the program down.
Genesis Project |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:11:00 -
[466]
Allo! Please apologize for poor english. It not my native speaking.
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Tristan J'ior
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:12:00 -
[467]
What? Voting? Darn right! Fix those developers for changing OUR game!
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:26:00 -
[468]
Vote for boosting interdictors speed, to be faster than everything larger than it... other than that i dont care...
web nerf is sorta ghey |
Essque
Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:31:00 -
[469]
Absolutely AGAINST.
The proposed changes will break way too many things whilst fixing almost none. CCP - bring the tech I polycarbon rigs in line with all other rigs (why were they released like that in the first place?!) and that's about all the 'balancing' you need to do. If you nerf snakes, nerf all pirate sets - that's called 'balance'. |
TheCraftyHippo
Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:32:00 -
[470]
While I fully agree that under certain conditions 'ludicrous speed' does exist and needs to be fixed, the proposed 'fix' is simply moronic and beyond stupid. |
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:32:00 -
[471]
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369&page=6#152
Quote: Yup, I'm all for it, as I've allready made some calculations. It's not as bad as people think...
Vaga still going 4+km/sec with cheap T2-stuff and without HG Snakes etc... Ceptors still doing easily over 5km/sec, and even my Rapier will have no troubles reaching 3km/sec with the proposed changes
Maybe folks in this thread should go do some of the math too befor calling the WAAABULANCE |
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:33:00 -
[472]
Start again with the same list of ideas that are at the top of that blog CCP.
This time come up with a simple solution, with only one or two changes, that fulfills them. If it doesnt have the desired effect on TQ, change a little more the next patch.
DONT just go ARGGHHHEAHDIAJD<CSMPMCPS and change about twenty things, completely blind, and frack off everyone, and come out with no idea what change was good, what was bad, etc.
NO to the proposals, start again, nerf speed, but do it carefully. |
Ada Linn
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:37:00 -
[473]
Bad changes - no.
Fix the speed, but have a better look first at what's really broken. After the proposed changes you'll have to re-balances most of the HACs, and quite probably many other ships, modules and game mechanics. Try again, you can do better than that.
(One can hope, right?) |
DubanFP
Out of Order Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:44:00 -
[474]
AGAINST _______________
CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears. |
Crudamus
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:44:00 -
[475]
AGAINST
Why don't you fix the real prooblems in eve, insted of braking it more.
Also, fix the lag, AND YES it is server side.
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Smokie McLottapot
Caldari Keepers Of The Gate
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:49:00 -
[476]
Against the nano-nerf. Against the blob!
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Yoshidzu
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:50:00 -
[477]
against fix lags and blobs
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DarkSoban
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:51:00 -
[478]
AGAINST Yes,some overpower stuff need to nerf. but I dont see any balance in dev blog. it'll kill nano, blast boat, small ship,small gang and guerrilla warfare. ones again, CCP turn overpower stuff to trash. Is it NERF ? I dont think so, it is KILL.
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PellePlutt
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:52:00 -
[479]
against don't kill nano
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:54:00 -
[480]
Edited by: Ruze on 27/07/2008 01:54:54 Completely against.
I don't need to see it on test for a month or even wait another 24 hours before I test it myself to know that it will completly screw up the entire game, cause server crashes, and ultimately force 150% of the playerbase to stop playing.
This is nothing but a reaction where CCP was bullied by forum posts, threats and CSM polls. I am absolutely CERTAIN my opinion is that of the majority of players, and as such, you apparently listened to a very vocal and whimpering minority when you came up with this new nerf.
You should probably always clear any decision you make about the game with me, personally. That'll help you guys in the CCP offices to stop looking like raving jackasses. I know for a fact I'd keep you from ruining how the game SHOULD be played.
AGAINST! And if this buggy thing will let me vote with my alts, it damn sure should let me vote with my main repeatedly! You suck, CCP!
Genesis Project |
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KizmiaZ
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:59:00 -
[481]
Against. Too many changes and too severe.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 01:59:00 -
[482]
Against
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Grathar
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:07:00 -
[483]
Against
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:08:00 -
[484]
The commuinity is against these changes. This was made evident by it not appearing on the 20 complaints to be handed to CCP.
SKUNK
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:25:00 -
[485]
Against.
I don't believe that this voting is the right way to go. It is useful a little bit, to judge the community response. But it certainly can't be a major deciding factor.
I have written my concerns regarding the big redesign of PvP system here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=edit&threadID=831524&line=853&characterID=1514371940
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ChopSaw Jackson
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:31:00 -
[486]
Against the nerf.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:33:00 -
[487]
How many alts have voted, I wonder?
I can count the number I've used on two hands, at least.
Genesis Project |
Lysander Kaldenn
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:34:00 -
[488]
This entire "solution" reminds me of someone running through thier house with the lights off trying to smash a pesky mouse with a baseball bat, destroying everything he owns in the process. All this will do is encourage people to blob more... One of the proposed changes might have been fine, but jesus, why drop a freakin nuclear device on the problem when a hammer and chisel might have sufficed??
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Koyama Ise
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:37:00 -
[489]
Cause I think it's going to break parts of EVE. -------- Ohh and btw, China. |
Chani Kaldenn
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:39:00 -
[490]
signed against
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:39:00 -
[491]
I'm against the nerf.
Black Hand.
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Moo Master
Demon Theory OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:44:00 -
[492]
Against ---------------------------------------------- Violence is not the answer. It is the question. The answer is yes. |
Tal Notts
Caldari Divine Power R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:47:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Ruze How many alts have voted, I wonder?
I can count the number I've used on two hands, at least.
alts can vote to support the proposed changed too
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spongebobbb
Amarr under the sea
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:48:00 -
[494]
all hail the mighty drake blob, ccp cmon use ure brains this nerf is ******ed
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Celesphira
Archangels Assault Force Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:48:00 -
[495]
Against.
I don't deny that Nanos need looking into, but this is not the way to do it. These changes will harm ships that require speed to commit to combat and enter webrange.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:48:00 -
[496]
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 27/07/2008 02:49:10
Originally by: Ruze How many alts have voted, I wonder?
I can count the number I've used on two hands, at least.
Yeop, cry doom...
Originally by: Jade Constantine Don't worry too much. The CSM admins have a way to see how many actual accounts support rather than individual supports (which can obviously be 3 per account). When this gets to the wire we'll be able to call for an accurate indication of player sentiment either way (this and the pro-nerf camp).
I have already supported this thread!
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Marcq Rancid
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:51:00 -
[497]
against, although i do like the look of the assault frigs post patch with 60% webs, would be great to have those things less then useless. |
Elv1r4
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:52:00 -
[498]
There are 4 races atm, if you go through with this speed nerf 1 of them will be completely useless and 2 of the rest will be crap...
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Necro EvilZombie
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:55:00 -
[499]
against, don't break your game. --------------------------------------------------------------
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TAP3AH
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:55:00 -
[500]
I'm caldari but I still think that speed nerf is bad for the game.
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Xenon Star
Kaizoku Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:57:00 -
[501]
Against
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 02:58:00 -
[502]
But, but, but ... I have multiple accounts!
I have voted against the nerf with all of them. All my alts, all my accounts, and a few trials, too. I seriously don't want this to go through.
(All propaganda aside, I don't think the changes fix the issue, which is why are there so many ships that cannot be used with the same amount of effectiveness and survivability as current nanos? It's a bigger issue, here.)
Genesis Project |
P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:02:00 -
[503]
I think speed/agility could need some rethinking, but...
The changes that are proposed right now are too many and too grave for ONE single patch. Also they look like bandaid solutions that could break more than they could fix.
Needs moar caution imho.
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Lt Angus
Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:02:00 -
[504]
In its current state the nerf is a bit extream but only testing will tell for sure
Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Nim9i5
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:04:00 -
[505]
Edited by: Nim9i5 on 27/07/2008 03:04:28
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:06:00 -
[506]
<insert generic argument here>
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Lag in Motsu or other hubs? Can't bear it and want to change? Remember : YOU are part of the problem! |
Satura
Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:10:00 -
[507]
against |
Christari Zuborov
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:16:00 -
[508]
Against!
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Sir Substance
Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:22:00 -
[509]
im going to say, i dont see a nano "issue" just lots of people not using their heads. for gods sake, get a few minni ewar frigs, they are hardly difficult to train, and will solve all your problems.
fully against.
Originally by: Ekrid
because trying to fit medium beam lasers is like trying to shove a cow in your mailbox. doable, but it gets messy.
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Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:23:00 -
[510]
AGAINST
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Tchu
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:26:00 -
[511]
Support
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Haakelen
Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:42:00 -
[512]
Supported.
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Akshiram
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:42:00 -
[513]
support
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deadknyaz
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:43:00 -
[514]
support
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Niakri S
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:44:00 -
[515]
suport
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Rorgual
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:44:00 -
[516]
support
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Niakri SS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:45:00 -
[517]
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The Riff
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:48:00 -
[518]
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Shegoba
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:49:00 -
[519]
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Upright
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:56:00 -
[520]
/signed.
Snakes, Polycarbs, and gang bonuses need to be re-balanced.
Changing ship base speeds is a very bad idea.
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Methem
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:56:00 -
[521]
Edited by: Methem on 27/07/2008 03:56:56 Against the nerf. Its too much.
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drako markam
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:12:00 -
[522]
nerfs are bad, m'kay.
a day without blood is like a day without sunshine
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:15:00 -
[523]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 27/07/2008 04:16:29 Edited
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Raziphan Rebular
Firestorm Projects Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:15:00 -
[524]
/signed
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Grath Telkin
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:16:00 -
[525]
Against
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Defientess
Explora Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:25:00 -
[526]
Against!
*sigh this is becoming an ever ending cycle i spend my time and sp training to be good at somthing (exploration for example) just get 1/2 decent at said thing and voila theres ccp pullin out the neurf bat, why not fix problems that require fixing instead of just outright breaking your own creation ccp! maybe nano ships need a little tweaking etc... but this purposed nurf is just simply put a sledge hammer to knock a pin into plasterboard oh so wrong </2isk>
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2PROVIEF
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:30:00 -
[527]
against
why help basic players who only know do f1 f2 f3 f' to fight ?? why help players who only know fight in 50 man gang ?? why help players who only know do gate camping ?? space combat is not static a nanoship is killable many nanoship die in eve neutralizer on battleship is a very good weapon against nano webifier is a good weapon against nano with good tactics and reflection kill nanos is possible inty with webs and missileboat work to kill nanos
solutions are already available in game why nerf nanos
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Brunswick2
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:40:00 -
[528]
Against nanonerf
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DFox31
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:42:00 -
[529]
Teh nanos we must saves them.
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Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:43:00 -
[530]
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Wicked X
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:47:00 -
[531]
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Thud
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:48:00 -
[532]
____ ____ My english is bad. |
Grml Z
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:48:00 -
[533]
i like fast ships
_____________ I am a NoOb,and i am proud to be one! _____________ i cant speak english |
Synseer
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:53:00 -
[534]
against the nano nerf... especially against nerfing the ship I have spent 2 years to fly perfectly: the huginn
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Mila Degosi
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:55:00 -
[535]
Rebalance T2 missiles (and possibly warp scrams and neuts) instead of an entire way of playing the game.
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EveJoker
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:00:00 -
[536]
Fail method of balancing. Devs needs to perhaps try pvp.
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Das Ende
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:02:00 -
[537]
AGAINST definitly !
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Stahlfalke
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:03:00 -
[538]
Against nanonerf
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morteyfarus
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:04:00 -
[539]
no nanonerf!
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Aoa Lux
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:16:00 -
[540]
*votes against returning to caldari online*
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WAX ORTON
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:20:00 -
[541]
do not nerf stasis webifiers
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:23:00 -
[542]
Originally by: WAX ORTON do not nerf stasis webifiers
Its not a web nerf, its a Afterburner buff in disguise.
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Kyle Haque
Solstice Systems Development Concourse Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:30:00 -
[543]
Speed is a valid tactic in any kind of warfare whether in internet space ships or RL.
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Alpha Dash
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:31:00 -
[544]
I'm AGAINST this nerf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Akira Shigeno
Team Evil
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:32:00 -
[545]
Stupid nerf
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Rahjadan Shardur
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:48:00 -
[546]
Edited by: Rahjadan Shardur on 27/07/2008 05:50:17 Against in the form presented ------------------ Believing is not wanting to know the truth! |
Bo Bojangles
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:50:00 -
[547]
Maybe you shouldn't be able to go 12k+ in a vaga regardless of the billion+ you put in it. But this nerf proposes far more than just gimping speed. They want to be able to reach into my ship and turn off the engine entirely.J
Just say no to SpaceTanks Online.
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 05:52:00 -
[548]
CSM: This so called council got elected by 5.7% of the player base! (12678 votes)
Who the hell are they going to represent??? |
spinarax
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:06:00 -
[549]
go nano!
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Nabur Varkort
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 06:12:00 -
[550]
AGAINST !!!!!!!!!!!go nano
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Temp Boi
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:15:00 -
[551]
CCP is ****ing ******ed, they've never played the game they make game breaking decisions about. Stop watering down this game before there's nothing left to kill each other with.
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Srbenda
Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:19:00 -
[552]
AGAINST ofc :P http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=393889 |
Markas Crais
House of Dying Laggers
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:23:00 -
[553]
Against the nerf!
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Count Clown
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 06:25:00 -
[554]
Shit nerf!
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Addel Kwin
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 06:25:00 -
[555]
not really a fan.
nerf the nerf.
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Slider Dekok
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:29:00 -
[556]
Edited by: Slider Dekok on 27/07/2008 06:29:21 Horrible idea to fix any kind of speed issue, even though there really isn't one, only in EXTREME cases.
Stop dumbing down EVE CCP! If you keep this up I'm gonna go play Hello Kitty Online!!!!
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Hun Jakuza
Naughty By Nature
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:33:00 -
[557]
Againts.
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Amy Frost
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:34:00 -
[558]
Nanoz are fun...
Originally by: t20 WE AER GIOGN FRO MROE BREE
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Blood Bathroom
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 06:38:00 -
[559]
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Maestro Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:40:00 -
[560]
against nano nerf. |
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Calishere
Caldari The Space BorderLine
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 06:47:00 -
[561]
against nano nerf, or at least in its current form
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emllik
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 06:58:00 -
[562]
AGAINST
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GrandDad Trotter
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:02:00 -
[563]
. |
Solid Res
Haven Front
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:03:00 -
[564]
Against
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Trinity Redenthor
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:05:00 -
[565]
AGAINST!!!
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Markantis
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:08:00 -
[566]
against
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Warkpt
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:09:00 -
[567]
against
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Packe
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:23:00 -
[568]
Edited by: Packe on 27/07/2008 07:25:17 Against the nerf
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kindrel
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:24:00 -
[569]
THIS THREAD NEED MORE ALTS \/
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PeepingPoetank
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:25:00 -
[570]
THIS THREAD NEED MORE ALTS \/
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:26:00 -
[571]
THIS THREAD NEED MORE ALTS \/
oops postid with my main
Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:35:00 -
[572]
AGAINST
Amanda
Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain
... because we DGAF! |
Spud NoSkill
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:37:00 -
[573]
Definately against .....
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Amanda Wilkins
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:37:00 -
[574]
AGAINST
... this time with checkbox.
Amanda
Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain
... because we DGAF! |
Princess Alienna
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:39:00 -
[575]
Against
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Decimo
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:39:00 -
[576]
Edited by: Decimo on 27/07/2008 07:39:22 Against. This will kill interceptors for me.
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:40:00 -
[577]
FFS people !!!
If you are going to/wish to vote then at least take the 2 seconds it requires to make sure you tick the box "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on" in the bottom or the vote will NOT be counted
If you don't then the most you are doing is bumping this topic every now and then.
Mark 1 eyeball 4tw -
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ceyriot
Entropians on Vacation
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:59:00 -
[578]
der.
Faction Store - Killboard |
Forumz Poastr
Royal Amarr Institute
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:59:00 -
[579]
--
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Achura Angel
Metafarmers
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 08:00:00 -
[580]
OhYah -- Forum Piracy is Win.
More links for Savvy types. |
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Cheesematarburger
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:01:00 -
[581]
Posting cause I'm just that cool.
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The Tommnynator
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:01:00 -
[582]
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CKAYT HAX
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 08:02:00 -
[583]
Against.
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Crowat
Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:09:00 -
[584]
AGAINST
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Valasaria
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:15:00 -
[585]
Edited by: Valasaria on 27/07/2008 08:15:42 So, CCP you want to nerf speed, huh? So you take an axe to webbers and the hardest hit falls on the race that is best equipped to deal with the nano-ships; aka the minmatar.
GREAT plan, as usual. Not.
Like I actually have to say "Against." Jeeze.... Get some people on the balance team that actually PLAY the game in a mode other than testing PvP on SiSi.
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Toramii
Le Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:17:00 -
[586]
I can see the need for ludicrous speed to be brought down a notch with slight nerf to some speed mods and implants.
But the proposed webifier nerf with the new MWD disruptor funcitonality hits Gallente blaster boats even more. Other weapon systems are close on their heels without the range penalties.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:18:00 -
[587]
Against the nerf as it stands.
Too many things changed all at once = higher likelyhood of seriously breaking the game.
Give MWD's a maximum run time based on skill and a cool down time (also based on skill). That would limit how long people can keep a MWD active.
Think about scripts for webbers so they can actually web rather than just engine damp. i.e. add a kinetic damping script to webbers, and an engine damping script for normal operation. This would stop people gliding back out of web range due to their velocity/kinetic energy. It would encourage dual webs one with each script.
Make webbers chance based (not change ON or OFF) but chance % of effectiveness.
... ...
meh. whatever. |
Kasheem Cetanes
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:22:00 -
[588]
no significant nerf
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Black Chimpo
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:24:00 -
[589]
Against - this kills small gang pvp.
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Ninsoku
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:27:00 -
[590]
Against!
Because I didn't spend months training Skirmish Warfare Specialist V only for it to be nerfed to hell on a whim. That's send the wrong message to people who dedicate to specialise.
Nerf MWD or polycarbs which cost literally no skill to fit, don't nerf things which require insane skill training like skirmish gang bonuses.
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Tema Zelikin
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:31:00 -
[591]
AGAINST.
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:43:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Po3tank THIS THREAD NEED MORE ALTS \/
oops postid with my main
LOL, even if every second character is an ALT in this thread, it still beats the hell out of the whiners who instigated this whole speed nerf thing and their thread 3 to 1, as I said, even if 50% of posters here are alts, and 100% of posters in the "for the nerf" thread are mains, the number of "mains" here would still outstrip the other bunch there.
Feel little scared that CCP might wake up and actually reconsider the nerf?
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Lara Kotran
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Posted - 2008.07.27 09:02:00 -
[593]
AGAINSTx2
And not always against nano nerf, but against the web nerf too!!!
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Wonkles
Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.07.27 09:13:00 -
[594]
Edited by: Wonkles on 27/07/2008 09:13:17 this is sad
Linkage
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Oniko Sengir
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 09:39:00 -
[595]
Against.
Latest Video
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Envy Srignen
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.27 09:45:00 -
[596]
Definitely against. Taking out nanos will take out the best (and arguably only) way to roam while surviving gatecamps, and fight outnumbered and against entrenched defenders.
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MKeeper
Northern Exposure
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:01:00 -
[597]
Edited by: MKeeper on 27/07/2008 10:01:29 Against. It's almost as if the people involved in the 5-hour meeting couldn't decide on which steps to take and, so they could get to the pub in time, just decided to go for a random bunch of them.
edit: oops, supportin this |
Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:06:00 -
[598]
Speed does need some adjustment, but not like this
Would you like to know more? |
Jengo Phatt
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:11:00 -
[599]
Against it!
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A Lucard
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:21:00 -
[600]
Edited by: A Lucard on 27/07/2008 10:21:31 against |
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:21:00 -
[601]
AGAINST
mainly because the dev blog lists a theoretically 4+billion in implants complains about how unfair poly's are then concludes with nerfing webbers and boosting scramblers W-T-H
every time i read that blog i just cant get around how out of touch it seems did zulupark ghost write it ?
*
* |
Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:21:00 -
[602]
Against for reasons already articulated
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Elendar
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:30:00 -
[603]
Quoting the post Below, especially the first part. Doing this will kill small gang warfare in 0.0, this it not the game it was pre hotdrop, titan bridge, jump bridge, large bubbles and rapiers
Originally by: Indignant Assault Quoting an Epic Post:
Originally by: Malachon Draco A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
---------------------------- There is no sig |
Danny Armstrong
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:37:00 -
[604]
against, altough nao's need nerfing as speeds are indeed broken, i do not bleieve this is the way to go
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Artemis
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:42:00 -
[605]
Against. U are killing small gangs. I do not want to make 60+ jumps on BS. U are boosting gate camps and killing major part of the game. May be webs and polys must be nerfed, but not all, that u wrote.
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Cap Corrector
Dudu Micha
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:46:00 -
[606]
Against
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El Kaposo
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:47:00 -
[607]
against.
speed needs a nerf, but not this wrecking disaster with reactivation delay, mwd disabling scramblers and web nerf.
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SunYonker
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Posted - 2008.07.27 10:48:00 -
[608]
AGAINST
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Naemorian
Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:00:00 -
[609]
Edited by: Naemorian on 27/07/2008 11:06:52
Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 26/07/2008 13:23:11
Quote:
A few points:
- People who say that it was possible to go on 0.0 roams before nanos, so it should be possible after. You are mistaken. 0.0 has changed. You will be surrounded by defenders using jumpportals and wiped out in your small gang if you jump through the next gate. Its not that nanogangs don't use scouts, its that nanogangs can go through small gatecamps without being slowed down enough for a big blob to catch them.
- That is not just a matter of getting to warp faster. A nanogang will typically be able to jump into a 10-15 man gatecamp and run off without losses if they just run off. Nanogangs don't kill anything while running off, but they can run through smaller gatecamps. That is important because otherwise the only alternative becomes to log off or cloak (unless you want to Leeroy and die horribly).
- Not being able to be hit while doing 5kms is not that much of a problem, since you won't be hitting anything yourself either. Its almost like a cloak, except there are counters to nanoing, but not to cloaking.
- Do not base your game changes on EFT, or even Sisi. Sisi is not Tranquility, you don't have to deal with motherships, titans, jumpbridge networks on Sisi. All of those affect the environment in which nanos are used, and are part of why nanos are needed to keep small gang warfare outside of camping a bloody gate for 3 hours viable.
- If you make changes, make them gradually. Why would you change 15 things at the same time? Make 1 or 2 changes, then see if the result is what you want. If you change 15 things at the same time, and you **** up, then you still don't know which of the 15 things was 'too much'.
- If nanos are no longer viable, it will make less fights happen. People are not gonna keep coming in small gangs if they get blobbed time after time and forced to logoff. If you would give normal ships just a bit more ability to fight back when attacked by nanos, that would not have the same effect as reducing the speed of nanoships.
- Why don't you add a new type of T2 ammo that does less damage but has superior tracking? You have the T2 ammo that does more damage but has 75% penalty on tracking. Add another type of T2 ammo that has say a 50% bonus on tracking. Then as long as people carry that they have a shot at even hitting those 10kms vagas.
This sums up most of the points quite nicely though.
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Space Flyer
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:06:00 -
[610]
Edited by: Space Flyer on 27/07/2008 11:06:57 Against.
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Hoea
Carebears for galactic peace
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:08:00 -
[611]
AGAINST! Bad Idea
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Kir Ultim
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:12:00 -
[612]
AGAINST NERF!!!! DONT KILL SMALL GANG!!!!!
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HSDREAD
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:13:00 -
[613]
Against !!!! |
Sacre Bonitas
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:14:00 -
[614]
AGAINST NERF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sensemann
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:16:00 -
[615]
against!
CCP rethink your nerf ideas, maybe start with bringing Polycarbs in line with other rigs.....
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Vandalzzz
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:21:00 -
[616]
stop this carebear- blob- drake- online ideas --------------- UNL diplo |
Isralien
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:23:00 -
[617]
/signed
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Luna Orbit
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:24:00 -
[618]
nerf lag!
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Grab Khan
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:25:00 -
[619]
/signed
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Zirofal'dan
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:25:00 -
[620]
/signed
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Dig Deep
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:26:00 -
[621]
Worst idea evar
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Taipan Leviathan
The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:37:00 -
[622]
No Nerf please.
I just skilled up for a vagabond
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Kinuko
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:38:00 -
[623]
Against
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Aya
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:42:00 -
[624]
100% against
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:45:00 -
[625]
I'm going to support the anti nerf side here, sure things need to be done but the proposed changes aren't them.
A Pirates Perspective
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Lucy'Lastic
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Posted - 2008.07.27 11:53:00 -
[626]
Edited by: Lucy''Lastic on 27/07/2008 11:53:37 Against the proposed changes.
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vallhalla
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:05:00 -
[627]
Edited by: vallhalla on 27/07/2008 12:07:27 Against nerfing speed in souch a drastic way. If you do so, nerf shield and armor tanking as well because if you add all bonuses that exist in game for tanking (implants, boosters, faction mods...) you can get a pretty invulnerable ship which is very hard to kill. As opposed nano can be easily beaten by webbing.
Even now for a solo nano HAC worth 250 mil it is hard to kill a single BS worth 100 mil (insured to be worst) if he is fitted right. In vaga for example. One nos and you are dead or need to flee.
CCP you are wrong. Fix your engine and beat lag. Dont mess up with existing game mechanics.
AGAINST!
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TeslaOne
Gallente Iron Wings Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:08:00 -
[628]
Against speednerf
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Chaos Breeze
HellCorp Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:10:00 -
[629]
Edited by: Chaos Breeze on 27/07/2008 12:10:10 Its overkill there must be some otherway off doing this
Implant suggestion is off the wall (imagine the whines about them not being inline percentage wise to eachother)
with theese changes i wont have anybody elses day to ruin
p.s. If you cant counter nanos in its present form you FAIL hard go play with the veldspar instead mmmmm k?
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TeslaOne
Iron Wings Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:10:00 -
[630]
Ouch// again, against
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Raul Endimion
Blood Covenant
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:14:00 -
[631]
Against
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Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:14:00 -
[632]
polys into line, nerf the ships that can deal damage at 4km/s (ishtar/sac), decrease bonus on snakes, I like the skirmish link change, I like the base speed realigning, but other than that its not good - making polys/nanos a cross-breed mod slows down the HACs and recons too much (other than vagabond, which is would still be faster than most of the current nanocruisers).
Web/scram change is not so hot, gonna screw blasterboats, give the webs 5km opt+10km falloff (which effectively gets you to the same end result you desire but makes them still work for blasterboats), and do something different with the scrams.
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Mireille Bouqet
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:20:00 -
[633]
Supported.
A nerf is needed, but a big change of this scale is not required.
Oh and when a Dev posts what he considers a "nothing special" setup that contains a full snake setup and t2 rigs, it doesnt inspire confidance in his idea of good balance. Come back Tux, we all miss you!
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myg3l
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:22:00 -
[634]
against .. no doubt
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Wolfinz
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:25:00 -
[635]
AGAINST
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Elwoood Blues
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:29:00 -
[636]
Against
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JakeBlues
White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:30:00 -
[637]
Elwoood, you are right! Against
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MrsMurphy
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:31:00 -
[638]
/signed
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uZveRruga
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:32:00 -
[639]
Edited by: uZveRruga on 27/07/2008 12:35:53 .
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Silencio Nohay'Banda
Caldari eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:33:00 -
[640]
Against Nano Nerf
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Matt'Guitar'Murphy
BluesBrothers
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:33:00 -
[641]
/signed
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WolvesR2
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:34:00 -
[642]
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WolvesR3
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:34:00 -
[643]
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uZveRruga
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:34:00 -
[644]
Edited by: uZveRruga on 27/07/2008 12:35:22 against nanonerf
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CopyWhore
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:36:00 -
[645]
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Sydarm
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:37:00 -
[646]
against nano nerf! |
Murphy 'Murph'Dunne
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:37:00 -
[647]
Safe the nanos!
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Margaret Kedry
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:42:00 -
[648]
against
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Avrill Lavigne
|
Posted - 2008.07.27 12:45:00 -
[649]
against
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Sparschwein Deluxe
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:54:00 -
[650]
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tarelc
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:55:00 -
[651]
I support this thread's idea - no nerf
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Ellerak Ibebel
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:57:00 -
[652]
I am against a nerf
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GETMEDOWNFROMNYAHH
Basement Innovations
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:59:00 -
[653]
**** YOU NANO NERF
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Minage
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:02:00 -
[654]
Edited by: Minage on 27/07/2008 13:02:18 /signed against nano nerf
_____________________________________________ wanna dance? |
Rupert VonDraken
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:03:00 -
[655]
In slowing everyone down, CCP is pandering to the squeels of empire carebears who never leave their drakes/ravens, and sook when they get killed by a rapier/ishtar etc.
A character that has spent 1 month training heavy missiles should not have a chance against a 2 year old character who has skilled for speed, and has the isk to spend on speed mods.
Adjust polycarbs all you want, but banish this ridiculous notion of scrams/web changes FFS CCP stop pandering to people who will play for 7 months and leave - show some loyalty to the players that have been around for 2 years +
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WCBirdman
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:13:00 -
[656]
against, this time with thumb up
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Veridan cd
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:15:00 -
[657]
Edited by: Veridan cd on 27/07/2008 13:15:29 Against
----------- In slowing everyone down, CCP is pandering to the squeels of empire carebears who never leave their drakes/ravens, and sook when they get killed by a rapier/ishtar etc.
A character that has spent 1 month training heavy missiles should not have a chance against a 2 year old character who has skilled for speed, and has the isk to spend on speed mods.
Adjust polycarbs all you want, but banish this ridiculous notion of scrams/web changes FFS CCP stop pandering to people who will play for 7 months and leave - show some loyalty to the players that have been around for 2 years +
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uZveRrruga
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:20:00 -
[658]
/signed
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Melissa Kany
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:23:00 -
[659]
against
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djNME
DAB
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:29:00 -
[660]
Stop nerfing things and let the massive community blance itself.Look at lag, and the otehr aspects of our game that is borked..
HELL NO WE WON'T GO!!!
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Well wicked
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:30:00 -
[661]
/against
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Lydka
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:30:00 -
[662]
i'm against nano nerf
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Technix
Gallente DAB THE VILLAGE PE0PLE
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:31:00 -
[663]
against
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Dunia UW
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:32:00 -
[664]
/against
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Mochalatte
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:32:00 -
[665]
against
Quote: metal dude [052506] You people canÆt dictate to others not to have an opinion on public topics.
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Tuijabird
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:33:00 -
[666]
gayest nerf eva!!!
against ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
A rolling stone gathers no moss
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Kurt Ambrose
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:34:00 -
[667]
Against it.
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o2bu4once
Amarr Dark Angel Battalion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:38:00 -
[668]
against SAVE eve !
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar SHRIKE. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:49:00 -
[669]
I vote NAY TO NERFBATS! ----
nothing to see here, move along nicely now, is that a pink dread out there. aaww you just missed it -eris
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alpha charlie
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:49:00 -
[670]
against
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2008.07.27 13:53:00 -
[671]
I endose this product and/or service. |
Amelis Laucian
Quack Mongers
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:12:00 -
[672]
do not want
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:15:00 -
[673]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
But I WILL remind you all, the dev blog was just an IDEA, for which they wanted feedback. So it's not even sure, that it will happen.
It will happen. CCP doesnt deploy the smart people who actually play the game hardcore and bring these hardcore experiences into their thought-trains when making up "fixes and nerfs".
I fully agree that speeds need to be nerfed, cant have a Fleet Stabber running 21,000 ms per second and outfly interceptors.
Its these weekend warriors and little gate-camping *****es that started to cry cause their 12 BS gang got wtfpwnd by 6 HACs. But, they didnt consider to bring a Rapier or a few interceptors...and thats their problem. yet they cry that they cant get HACs.
If CCP introduced a speed cap on each ship-type, that would be a fix. But nerf everything from webbers to MWDs. |
Athanasios Anastasiou
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:25:00 -
[674]
Signed. This nerf would only increase blobbing.
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Paaaulo
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:33:00 -
[675]
Signed. People often use the term "adapt or die" in eve, notice how its always said to the people who are protesting a nerf?
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HitmanUK1
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:35:00 -
[676]
/against
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Ya bAPbIro
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:36:00 -
[677]
AGAINST
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ccTeaBag
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:37:00 -
[678]
Edited by: ccTeaBag on 27/07/2008 14:42:11 /against
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Diehard Si
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:38:00 -
[679]
Guys voting, please remember to click the box to show support for the thread or it doesn't count!
You can go back and edit it if you forgot. You should have a little thumbs up on the left hand side of your post if you did it right.
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Agent 47x
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:44:00 -
[680]
AGAINST
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Fafer
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:46:00 -
[681]
against!
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Commander Petya
The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:50:00 -
[682]
Against!
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:52:00 -
[683]
against, shittiest idea ever ccp you idiots
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
Aratosh
H A V O C
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:54:00 -
[684]
against
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big5824
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:54:00 -
[685]
AGAINST
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mad27k
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Posted - 2008.07.27 14:55:00 -
[686]
against, ccp dont attempt to fix something that isnt broken
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Wojak Szwejk
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:00:00 -
[687]
AGAINST
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Pinkis
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:13:00 -
[688]
Against
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pintgabor
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:16:00 -
[689]
Against
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Crucifiction Now
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:26:00 -
[690]
- waiting for things to hit sisi is pointless, sisi is not Eve. Players do not play on sisi with the same attitude as they would in game. Sisi will not predict how people will play as everything is free, no-one goes to sisi to join a blob. Proof for this is the constant need for nerfs. People will do upredictable things to counter ingame problems as time goes by. Then the whining starts again. CCP did bring all the speed stuff to Eve in the first place, but it didnt show what people would do with it while testing it on sisi.
- you can not develop (thats what devs do) a nerf. I know how these meetings go. Everybody present will want to add something smart. Then you get to the point where you will hear a lot of "what ifs". What if we did this..ah interesting...then someone else says, if we do that then why don't we do this as well... and so on. At the end you'll get many changed parameters which effect ALL players. Solutions like this will bring new whining to the forums. Just keep it simple. Balance pirate implants, adjust polycarbons,add a resonable stacking penaltie on od's and see what happens. You can't just change the whole game whenever you feel like a smart solution for a simple problem is needed.
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Mad Ilya
Erasers inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:33:00 -
[691]
against with all my .. erhm .. several characters
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shimmyckus
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:36:00 -
[692]
a g a i n s t
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Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:38:00 -
[693]
lots of people forgetting to hit the support button...
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Shamharoth
Beach Boys BeachBoys
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:39:00 -
[694]
Against. Enough reasons have been listed on loads of EVE-dedicated forums.
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smallmouse7
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:42:00 -
[695]
lol ccp you FAIL
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Sybil Loc0
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:55:00 -
[696]
Imho CCP want to go to far with this nerf/patch. I think vaga can be fly litle slower but all that things about scrambler and web nerf (oh and btw vaga can killed by noob in raven with cruise and no heavy neut:D)???
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luksajlo
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:56:00 -
[697]
\O/
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Luremusa
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:02:00 -
[698]
Im against this idea, way to drastical and not very well thought through.
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Rastadeen
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:06:00 -
[699]
Edited by: Rastadeen on 27/07/2008 16:07:10 Against this nerf, get it back to the blackboard. I do agree that cruisers and BS's top twinked speed is abit much, but there are other ways to go about this and in alot smaller steps.
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ian666
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:15:00 -
[700]
signed against
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Pimparella
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:16:00 -
[701]
/against the nerf!
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De Morgean
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:29:00 -
[702]
against |
hajnak sujet
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:30:00 -
[703]
signed against
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari M. Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:31:00 -
[704]
Against - even though it works in my favor.
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Jiifu
Beach Boys BeachBoys
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:32:00 -
[705]
Edited by: Jiifu on 27/07/2008 16:37:52 against
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Raimo
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:34:00 -
[706]
AGAINST the changes as outlined in the devblog. Not against more reasonable readjustment of ship speeds and especially "ludicrous speed", polycarbs et al.
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Shovel TM
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:34:00 -
[707]
Edited by: Shovel TM on 27/07/2008 16:34:52 speed up, carebears down
Nerf snakes, maybe add slight stacking penalty, but please don't ruin nano gangs.
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Seabhac
BudifulBC
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:35:00 -
[708]
Bart no like, baaaad medicine.
I wish my lawn was emo, so it would cut itself. |
Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 16:53:00 -
[709]
As usual, when CCP set out to nerf something they miss the target and pound something completely unrelated into the ground.
Against the blasterboat nerf.
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.27 17:11:00 -
[710]
Funny I am not a big fan of ships going over 15k, but I just dont think this is the way to fix it with one hugh change. Rebalance the basic ship speeds and maybe add stacking penality and see what that does for you first.
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innot
Corp 1 Allstars The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.27 17:37:00 -
[711]
AGAINST
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Barnes Wallis
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Posted - 2008.07.27 17:39:00 -
[712]
Against |
LuthienTinuviel
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:01:00 -
[713]
against the way hey are proposing to do the nano nerf "ludicrous speeds" need to be looked at however what CCP are doing is taking a sledghammer to a ming dynasty vase... it is usual CCP tactics they can't actually muster the brains (or the time it seems 5 hour meeting lol) to think through a problem and come up with an elegant solution as opposed to brute force.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:25:00 -
[714]
VERY much against. VERY<- Speed does not need change. It is fine as is. Nanos die all the time.
AGAINST
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TheMailman
GreenSwarm Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:35:00 -
[715]
CCP probably has some idea how to fix the game, but this is not one of them, AGAINST! |
flashfreaking
LFC Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:39:00 -
[716]
Will you guys kill me if I say
Against AGAINST nanonerf? Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint |
Laurgos Celek
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:40:00 -
[717]
against
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Dunkan Hunt
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:43:00 -
[718]
Edited by: Dunkan Hunt on 27/07/2008 18:46:47 Aginst! They kill Sabra! Now they kill Vaga! Stop ruin this game and fix lag problem first!
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Azumo
Starbridge
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Posted - 2008.07.27 18:58:00 -
[719]
AGAINST
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Mef Agann
Teladi Trade Expeditions
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:01:00 -
[720]
AGAINST
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Murdoch Morf
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:05:00 -
[721]
Against...
Stop pushing for blob warfare when servers cant even handle it..
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Dr Nightmare
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:05:00 -
[722]
against
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Joke Master
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:07:00 -
[723]
Against!
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:10:00 -
[724]
Use a "SUPPORT" button when replying to this thread with support. It is part of your reply, right underneath "Check Here To Preview Your Post" button.
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Geplew
Red's Swashbucklers Corp Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:12:00 -
[725]
against
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Vovan Prophet
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:16:00 -
[726]
against |
Ra Rhea
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:22:00 -
[727]
Edited by: Ra Rhea on 27/07/2008 19:24:57 Against
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Ariesen Serenity
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:23:00 -
[728]
Nano's are fine. Its the crazy gang mind linked ones that ppl hate....not the run of the mill t2 slight faction Rogue 3% Nano ships....Don't nerf my Zealot...please!
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Gizus
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:29:00 -
[729]
Against
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Csipkerozsika
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:30:00 -
[730]
Against
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SaorAlba
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:34:00 -
[731]
Laughs at those nano cloaking pvp *****'s crying out loud all over da forums. Adept or die as allway's in EVE, now get over it.
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Lrrp
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:45:00 -
[732]
i DON'T FLY NANO'S BUT AM STILL AGAINST NERF
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Azunami
Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:54:00 -
[733]
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Rick Thwaites
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:59:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Areo Hotah Edited by: Areo Hotah on 25/07/2008 13:18:08 I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily. I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.
Observations from me fighting nano gangs: -nobody takes booster pills -Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot. -Hardly anyone uses snakes -There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors -I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.
I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.
I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.
I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.
There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.
I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.
Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?). Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.
Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).
Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.
Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement": Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic. Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.
Cause: Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships. Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.
Areo
THIS THIS THIS THIS --
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Fly Molo
Caldari The Chosen Few
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:06:00 -
[735]
Edited by: Fly Molo on 27/07/2008 20:06:50 Against Think before adding content then you don't need meetings lasting hours and hours to come to the conclusion that you might have to p*** off half your member base again
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Neon Razor
Caldari Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:15:00 -
[736]
AGAINST!
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WatchUrr6
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:16:00 -
[737]
Against
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Vahetaja
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:16:00 -
[738]
AGAINST!
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Joane Wilder
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:17:00 -
[739]
AGAINST
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Babanus Wife
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:17:00 -
[740]
AGAINST
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Moo Juice
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:22:00 -
[741]
*;..;*
--- oh hi... |
Trojanman190
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:38:00 -
[742]
For real this is fail.
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King Balthazar
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:44:00 -
[743]
pls ccp dont make this mistake.
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Torco
Breed of Malakka
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:46:00 -
[744]
against
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myrna ray
Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.27 20:48:00 -
[745]
i am most certainly against
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:02:00 -
[746]
Does this mean that if I vote here I'm with the majority of all players? Cause that's cool. It means I can laugh and point at the people who are less than we are. They really shouldn't be allowed to live. We should probably take their land, make them work for us, and live the good life.
Genesis Project |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:03:00 -
[747]
By the way, the only reason the other guys have so many votes is because they are using multiple accounts and trial characters and alts.
Genesis Project |
DudTrap
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:03:00 -
[748]
:D
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The Forehead
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:07:00 -
[749]
Against
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Natalia Kovac
Phoenix Tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:13:00 -
[750]
Oh christ, AGAINST. Hopefully they have the balls to admit they were way off base.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:17:00 -
[751]
Those of you who supported this thread and DID NOT CLICK "Check Here If You Want To Give Support to the idea/discussion going on" located bellow your "Smiley" faces - go back and edit the post, and click on that button.
If we do not "win" by virtue of popular demand, at least this issue will have to be raised to CSM and CCP, and thus we will get at least an overview and PROPER BALANCING of the proposed changes, as opposed to the unilateral and heavy handed approach CCP has chosen now.
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Vortices
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:43:00 -
[752]
against this nerf
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Leeloo Gainsborough
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:44:00 -
[753]
Against |
DeathStarRunner
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:47:00 -
[754]
against
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Darkstar BP
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:48:00 -
[755]
Against in the form it is presented today
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Phelanwolf
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:49:00 -
[756]
Edited by: Phelanwolf on 27/07/2008 21:49:30 Against
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AJ Lootar
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:50:00 -
[757]
Do not nerf nano, small gangs without nano will be very difficult to have fun and at blobs days that we are choices will be very short
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Mistmare
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:55:00 -
[758]
AGAINST
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swinghammer
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 21:57:00 -
[759]
Against. |
Ask Unbeatable
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:03:00 -
[760]
hello
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DanMck
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:09:00 -
[761]
Edited by: DanMck on 27/07/2008 22:09:43 against !
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b'ast
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:12:00 -
[762]
definately against. poorly planned reactive tactics as always.
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noltox
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:13:00 -
[763]
against. the death of small gang warfare
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Ben Booley
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:13:00 -
[764]
I think nanos, in their current form, are overpowered, however this nerf hits them too hard, removing one of the few viable methods for small gangs to exist, particularly considering the state of both lowsec and 0.0, with them both inhabited by blobs that the smaller gangs need to get away from. Also, this nerf is too wide-reaching and changes too many different mechanics, making me fear that it will hurt the viability of blaster ships and cruiser hulls in general, as they can't tank enough damage to engage larger targets, nor can they avoid damage anymore.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:14:00 -
[765]
Originally by: Jinx Barker Those of you who supported this thread and DID NOT CLICK "Check Here If You Want To Give Support to the idea/discussion going on" located bellow your "Smiley" faces - go back and edit the post, and click on that button.
If we do not "win" by virtue of popular demand, at least this issue will have to be raised to CSM and CCP, and thus we will get at least an overview and PROPER BALANCING of the proposed changes, as opposed to the unilateral and heavy handed approach CCP has chosen now.
Hah! We can win in an internet forum argument? Frickin' awesome!
Oh, I definitely want to see a NEW vote go up about two weeks after the changes have been in test. Only those who have gone on SiSi can vote. That might actually be a vote worth 'winning.'
Hahahahaha!!!
Genesis Project |
Woulvesbaine
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:15:00 -
[766]
Against nano nerf - with all my active accounts. CCP - this is the type of mistake that will alienate such a large part of your base that you will irreparably damage the game and your subscriptions will fall precipitously.
Just remember when Lucas had already screwed up SWG and they made radical changes they alienated their remaining subscription base causing subscriptions to tank lower then their lowest lows.
Other sci-fi MMO's are under way and Eve helps distinguish itself from these offerings (some of them not yet so public) in part by its rich and diverse combat system. Take that away and lave this game's subscriber base that much more ripe for the poaching.
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Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:19:00 -
[767]
Originally by: noltox against. the death of small gang warfare
Small gang warfare died a long time ago with POS and capships.
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Jin Fenix
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:19:00 -
[768]
SUPPORT THIS THREAD
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:21:00 -
[769]
Originally by: Ruze Hah! We can win in an internet forum argument? Frickin' awesome!
Oh, I definitely want to see a NEW vote go up about two weeks after the changes have been in test. Only those who have gone on SiSi can vote. That might actually be a vote worth 'winning.'
Hahahahaha!!!
Erhm... OK....
*Backs away slowly.....
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L Cross
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Posted - 2008.07.27 22:26:00 -
[770]
Signed against. Proposed changes would change the game to much and favour blob warfare.
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Necrophorus
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:00:00 -
[771]
against! |
Pherusa Plumosa
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:01:00 -
[772]
balancing is ok, but this nerf is no balance. __________________________________________________
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Sub Kil
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:05:00 -
[773]
AGAINST the nano nerf!
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DarkGalaxy
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:08:00 -
[774]
Against
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:10:00 -
[775]
Edited by: Chr0nosX on 27/07/2008 23:10:21 Against
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Darestelm
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:45:00 -
[776]
Against!
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Ceron Dunkae
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:47:00 -
[777]
Against
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eragon alseen
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:51:00 -
[778]
whats going on in here
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Jubal Yearly
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Posted - 2008.07.27 23:52:00 -
[779]
nerf is bad
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Ruyman
Princeps Corp T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.07.28 00:05:00 -
[780]
I support this topic.
Although I aprove some little changes in nano nerf, this measure looks like too, too, too much more than it's needed. November Bellicose |
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Cassandra Beckinsale
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Posted - 2008.07.28 00:08:00 -
[781]
Nano Nerf is absolutely good. I would love if it is even nerfed more.
In my opinion, MWD also need some cap usage increase and more CPU use.
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Nozaro
Section 3
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Posted - 2008.07.28 00:41:00 -
[782]
Against
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Terell
Princeps Corp T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:09:00 -
[783]
Edited by: Terell on 28/07/2008 01:08:58 the dev giveth and the dev taketh .... its easy and plane
who said nerff ?? .... i would say balancing
i would like to see what will u say if i had 3 differents tracking modules without penalty that make me able to hit any nanoship.
go go go, devs, its time to balance the game.
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Sunsayeach
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:09:00 -
[784]
Edited by: Sunsayeach on 28/07/2008 01:12:32 Edited by: Sunsayeach on 28/07/2008 01:10:36 Against
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Sunsayeach
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:10:00 -
[785]
Edited by: Sunsayeach on 28/07/2008 01:10:55
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Vladez
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:14:00 -
[786]
i am agenst the nano nerf.... buy doing that you make most mini ships useless.....
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Ne0 MaTrIx
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:14:00 -
[787]
SAVE THE NANOS!!!!!!!!! ---
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Spurty
Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.28 01:29:00 -
[788]
Edited by: Spurty on 28/07/2008 01:29:25 signed
and CCP, please introduce NEW CONTENT. Leave the Universe alone!
Morphing the Universe is the stuff of Hollywood and Time Traveler movies (Cue Claud Van-Driver).
There just is no way to roll this out without breaking people's "suspension of disbelief".
Whats next? Removal of an entire classification of ship?
Concerning ANY and EVERY nerf past, present and future:
I urge you to think about it a bit more and then if you can't dream up a storyline for the nerf, don't do it!
Surely the scientists and engineers of EVE might have put their heads together and produced some new weaponry to thwart the threat?
At least its BELIEVABLE and some STORY driven from its conception!
I'm not a role player, but I do appreciate a backstory existing to bolster and flesh out what exists in a Universe. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!" |
Wil Stryker
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Posted - 2008.07.28 02:05:00 -
[789]
Edited by: Wil Stryker on 28/07/2008 02:06:10 Against
There are counters to nanos as can be seen on many killboards.
Current proposed changes will tilt the battle towards a larger group.
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Kasamatsu
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Posted - 2008.07.28 02:12:00 -
[790]
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MrAssasin
Error666 Devils Rising
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Posted - 2008.07.28 02:18:00 -
[791]
THIS IS CRAZY. THIS NERF WILL HURT THE GAME MORE THEN HELP. ALOT OF MINMTAR SHIP WILL BE CRAP NOW :(
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Drgnvale
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.28 02:40:00 -
[792]
I support the changes to polycarbon engine housings to be in-line with other speed rigs, and support in general the lowering of maximum speeds (we don't need a linear speed decrease, just adjust the far edge of the curve down a bit), but the rest of that devblog is pure horseshit.
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Mobvious Dammage
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:16:00 -
[793]
Going fast is just to much fun.
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:31:00 -
[794]
While I support the spirit behind the proposed changes, I don't support the changes themselves. I'd rather see new items/skills added to provide better counters, rather than cross-the-board ner***e.
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gtcsellalt
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:35:00 -
[795]
Edited by: gtcsellalt on 28/07/2008 03:36:20
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Lt Jester
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:37:00 -
[796]
AGAINST!
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VanDam
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:38:00 -
[797]
Against the nanonerf
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:42:00 -
[798]
Against.
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Vilhelm
Hippie Haters
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:45:00 -
[799]
Against
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Zarowka
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Posted - 2008.07.28 03:51:00 -
[800]
Full support
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xh'duality
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.28 04:00:00 -
[801]
Want more speed hehe --------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"] |
Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.28 04:20:00 -
[802]
Against nerf.
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memphistopheles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.28 04:28:00 -
[803]
Against
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.28 04:39:00 -
[804]
against.
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Mikhalio
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 04:46:00 -
[805]
Against.
Reiterating a good 'poast' on the topic:
Edited by: Areo Hotah on 25/07/2008 13:18:08 I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily. I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.
Observations from me fighting nano gangs: -nobody takes booster pills -Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot. -Hardly anyone uses snakes -There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors -I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.
I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.
I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.
I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.
There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.
I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.
Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?). Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.
Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).
Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.
Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement": Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic. Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.
Cause: Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships. Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.
Areo
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.28 05:12:00 -
[806]
You can still fly fast with the nerf, just not game-breakingly fast.
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Arcane Carnage
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.28 05:57:00 -
[807]
AGAINST ALOT! -
Illuminati - Pathetic Legion
Ures truly kickin' ass Carn |
teji
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Posted - 2008.07.28 05:57:00 -
[808]
People were actually having fun playing eve online. This was obviously not intended.
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Serial ATA
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:00:00 -
[809]
against
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Toon33
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:03:00 -
[810]
Against.
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:08:00 -
[811]
Originally by: Toramii I can see the need for ludicrous speed to be brought down a notch with slight nerf to some speed mods and implants.
But the proposed webifier nerf with the new MWD disruptor funcitonality hits Gallente blaster boats even more. Other weapon systems are close on their heels without the range penalties.
This change has absolutly no effect on Blaster boats if the ship you are fighting against has a MWd equipped too. Here's the breakdown:
If you are a blaster boat, you will be webbing your target. If you are within web range then you are withing scram range too. Guess what, after the changes, turning off their MWD, and webbing them down 60% will ruduce their speed by I believe 92%... Thats SLOWER than you can tackle them now.
This change Benifits a blaster ship very slightly.
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Rumai Ning
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:32:00 -
[812]
Nanofgts Unite!
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T0Praw3
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:38:00 -
[813]
i'm against nano nerf
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Kasigi
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:21:00 -
[814]
Against. _______________
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SS Archon
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:29:00 -
[815]
against
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Abelard Solon
Beach Boys BeachBoys
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:29:00 -
[816]
AGAINST!
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Silas Flyhalf
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:30:00 -
[817]
Against
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KaDiabl0
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:31:00 -
[818]
AGAINST!
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:55:00 -
[819]
voting against nano nerf because i think they are not doing it the right way... too much nerfing that isnt needed ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Aeo IV
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.07.28 08:14:00 -
[820]
Ding; it needs reexamining.
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MECHANIQUE
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Posted - 2008.07.28 08:34:00 -
[821]
against nano nerf
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J Malkavian
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.07.28 08:35:00 -
[822]
against
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NTT Neverdie
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Posted - 2008.07.28 08:35:00 -
[823]
Against
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Oly26
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.28 08:38:00 -
[824]
against
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Sweet Caress
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Posted - 2008.07.28 09:23:00 -
[825]
AGAINST
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Piterskiy
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Posted - 2008.07.28 09:42:00 -
[826]
against!!!
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Evil M
Minmatar Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 09:45:00 -
[827]
the nano nerf is totaly stupid..
sign
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Neadekvatos
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Posted - 2008.07.28 09:47:00 -
[828]
AGAINST!
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Rammite
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:16:00 -
[829]
against
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Wraith101
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:19:00 -
[830]
Edited by: Wraith101 on 28/07/2008 10:19:28 AGAINST, with them nerfing everything might as well be called WOW instead of eve. 0.o |
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MTX PT
Unsafe Flying Ops
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:21:00 -
[831]
Speed balance is needed, but not this NERF.
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Asif BADKARMA
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:22:00 -
[832]
Supported.
Nano ships are one of the few fun ways of fighting left in the game
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Langz
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:30:00 -
[833]
.
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coeathal vega
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:45:00 -
[834]
against.
dont wreck another race. ----
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Okita Souji
Solar Dragons Academy SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2008.07.28 11:20:00 -
[835]
Edited by: Okita Souji on 28/07/2008 11:21:21 Against!!!
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.28 11:38:00 -
[836]
o/
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Draendalok
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.28 11:54:00 -
[837]
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Molo Ki'vyar
AngelCor Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.28 11:55:00 -
[838]
No nerf pls
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Oerton
Isa Vodum Malachai Fa'an
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Posted - 2008.07.28 11:55:00 -
[839]
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nova hunter
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 12:55:00 -
[840]
Voting no on nano nerf!
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Astydameia
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.28 13:12:00 -
[841]
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Midnight Reaper
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Posted - 2008.07.28 13:31:00 -
[842]
Against!
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bluebeyond
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.07.28 13:49:00 -
[843]
Edited by: bluebeyond on 28/07/2008 13:51:42 Against
CCP pull your finger out and stop ruining your own fkin game.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.28 13:57:00 -
[844]
yes i got this dream, lets make it so the game is purly based on numbers. it will be awesome
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Trojanman190
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:28:00 -
[845]
Originally by: Pheonix Kanan Edited by: Pheonix Kanan on 26/07/2008 14:28:06
Originally by: Mister Xerox We all had it coming, so come on folks, let's just suck it up and use your own words...
ADAPT
Why are the pvp'ers ALWAYS adapting. We use ECM, you whine for a nerf and it gets nerfed. We use damps, you whine for a nerf and ccp nerfs it. We use NOS, you whine for a nerf and, OMG GUESS WHAT, it gets nerfed. We are always adapting. ALWAYS coming up with new ways to make your sorry excuse for an eve life miserable. So the nano nerf really won't change anything. Telling a PVP'er to adapt is like telling a shark to swim, he's doing it anyway.
Pay attention. This is win.
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Raquel Trotter
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:42:00 -
[846]
/against
More due to imbalance for minmatar ship and this making the caldari missile spamming ships even more of an easy-button in eve.
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sylvester stallowned
Terran Robotics Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:43:00 -
[847]
/signed |
wiztecia
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:55:00 -
[848]
Against
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Sir Gwilloc
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:59:00 -
[849]
AGAINST!
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Hatchetharry
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:01:00 -
[850]
Against, this is changing way to many things in one go. ccp obviously havn't learned a damn thing from past patches that they have ****ed up.
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Morphed Override
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:01:00 -
[851]
Against
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Desert Red
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:02:00 -
[852]
Against
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lastrebel
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:05:00 -
[853]
Definately AGAINST
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Kitaen
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:06:00 -
[854]
Awesome. 31 pages of idiots who can't read.
Quote: Attention! The modifications discussed below are all subject to change, based on player input and testing experience.
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teji
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:24:00 -
[855]
Originally by: Kitaen Awesome. 31 pages of idiots who can't read.
One cute noobie that thinks ccp will do anything but break things further and remove any semblance of fun from the game.
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Shuttlemaster
Exiled. Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:27:00 -
[856]
Small gang warfare must be a viable part of EVE or i fear the game as we know it will die. Ok something might need to be done about the most extreme speeds but there are really already counters and tactics to meet the more normal nanogangs.
In any case, plz CCP be moderate dont do all those changes at once, the chance you break more than you fix is way to high and it usually takes ages to fix the fixes after such huge change. The game is currently probably more well balanced, at least on the none-capital scale, than i ever can remember.
Concentrate on doing something about how the sov works and have a look at what impact the combination of jumpbridges/cynojammers and Titans have on the game - this is probably where we have the biggest problem in the game currently and what forces a more and more blobbing environment.
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Gandj
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:28:00 -
[857]
Originally by: Kitaen Awesome. 31 pages of idiots who can't read.
Quote: Attention! The modifications discussed below are all subject to change, based on player input and testing experience.
...and one idiot, who belive in attentions. This patch is installed on test server now. This means that the patch was probably ready before this attention... This attention is only democracy games...
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Wish Kaan
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:36:00 -
[858]
If speed gets nerfed I'm gonna go play WoW, cuz of better pvp...
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Megan Maynard
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:37:00 -
[859]
Totally against
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Heromann
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:38:00 -
[860]
wrong wrong wrong
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Hauler Biotch
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:38:00 -
[861]
WHY CCP?
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RazerKill
New-Roots
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:40:00 -
[862]
against......... PiRatE KiTtY |
Aypse
Aypse's Holiday
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:40:00 -
[863]
Against.
Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link |
Matt Wolfe
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:07:00 -
[864]
Against
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:18:00 -
[865]
I think it's telling how many votes this topic got before the changes even got as far as the test server.
It suggests there's a whole lot of people who are prepared to condemn something without any clue whatsoever how it'll bear out.
I hope CCP takes this into consideration, when they start looking at voting. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Hercules Strongarm
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:56:00 -
[866]
Edited by: Hercules Strongarm on 28/07/2008 16:56:31 I totally support this thread.
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Drachma Golea
hunter killers
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:58:00 -
[867]
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Ebodhisatva
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:58:00 -
[868]
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HUN Riker
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:02:00 -
[869]
Edited by: HUN Riker on 28/07/2008 17:03:07 perfectly againts
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Kalek Astroth
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:09:00 -
[870]
just teste on sisi , this patch is shamefull , ccp must hide under a rock imo
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Prez21
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:13:00 -
[871]
Changes are too big and not needed, i agree some speeds need looking at but this is just stupid, totally against
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MaLa ZoRRa
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:14:00 -
[872]
I have tried the test server and I shame on CCP. That game now really sucks. Totally against.
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naDuL
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:17:00 -
[873]
I played on test server and it really sucks. I am now more against than never. I hope CCP will not change anything or lots of $ will fly away ;) for example my 4 accounts.
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Sebasv
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:20:00 -
[874]
AGAINST
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galaxy rider
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:21:00 -
[875]
Against
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Rob Hodin
The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:25:00 -
[876]
Edited by: Rob Hodin on 28/07/2008 17:26:13 Against
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Ladin Avre'toc
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:28:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Ladin Avre''toc on 28/07/2008 17:30:32 Edited by: Ladin Avre''toc on 28/07/2008 17:29:37 well nanos are the last thing that will prevent all of pvp to be blob tactics and small skirmish warfare, and it's one of the few pvp-aspects where it still rquires more than just be able to press f1-f8 so lay off the speed. you will still be screwed if they got neuts or huginn/rapiers and so. And TBH people that are raging against nanogangs are usually new people that cant understand why their precius ratting raven got killed by 2 vagabonds, or other "pvp'ers" that only pvp in blops.
The proposed speed nerf is removing one of the most challenging way of fighting for me in the game. If anyone is in doubt I'm against the speednerf.
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Jogvan
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:29:00 -
[878]
against
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RuriHoshino
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:31:00 -
[879]
Some changes are indeed necessary, but as it stands this is far too sweeping. Polys were out of line, high grade snakes were out of line, high level meta MWDs were out of line, but these are relatively easy changes. Not to mention that this change is being proposed after Factional Warfare has introduced an awful lot of new players to PVP who, instead of understanding and adapting to current mechanics have generated an epic level of forum whining that appears to have given them exactly what they want - devs promising to make it even easier to kill speed-dependent ships.
These are not the changes to make, CCP. I vote AGAINST. ________________
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Reddherring
Minmatar Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:36:00 -
[880]
Against
just when i get finally skills done they nerf something again :(
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FlumZ
x13 X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:36:00 -
[881]
Edited by: FlumZ on 28/07/2008 17:38:10 against totaly
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killerkhan
Mugen Industry
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:40:00 -
[882]
stupid nerf. AGAINST!
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Hardknocks
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:42:00 -
[883]
against
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Shinobi Kanjii
Gallente Society of Assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.28 17:47:00 -
[884]
AGAINST !!!
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ian666
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:03:00 -
[885]
Totally against
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Safjhas
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:10:00 -
[886]
AGAINST R-r-r-r-r!!!
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gtcsellalt
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:19:00 -
[887]
Edited by: gtcsellalt on 28/07/2008 18:19:46
Originally by: Matalino Just couple of questions:
First, is anyone going to bother counting how many of these votes of opposition were made BEFORE we have even been able to test what exactly the changes are, or should we create a new thread to voice rational objections based on fact instead of speculation?
Second, do we need seperate discussion for what could be viewed as two different changes.
1) There is the nerf to "ludicrous" speed done by changing the attributes of nanos/poly's and various high-end modules/implants.
2) There is the "boost" to Afterburners by allowing MWD's to be scrambled, and changing the webber attributes.
Is there a thread anywhere that allows for rational and reasonable discussion of these needed changes or is only irrational ranting permitted?
your probably evangelical Christian, lack rationality. All your comments are so stupid they don't deserve a counter argument.
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Yufudachi
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Posted - 2008.07.28 18:23:00 -
[888]
Edited by: Yufudachi on 28/07/2008 18:22:48 against
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Khfiva
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:36:00 -
[889]
Edited by: Khfiva on 28/07/2008 18:41:52 Edited by: Khfiva on 28/07/2008 18:40:52 Against!!
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pedros
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:42:00 -
[890]
Im VOTE FOR the Nerf!
damn 10k flyers
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KNK
Mugen Industry
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:45:00 -
[891]
AGAINST!!11!
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Gajowy
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:46:00 -
[892]
Originally by: pedros Im VOTE FOR the Nerf!
damn 10k flyers
Ok but if you want to support nerf post it in appropriate thread FS
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Dr Einstien
Circle of Steel Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:49:00 -
[893]
Just say NO
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Black Jack21
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:57:00 -
[894]
This has to be one of the worst nerf attempts in CCP history....
AGAINST
If you need balance, fine. Balance ships and implants, NOT mods and skills. Hitting the ships and implants will get the worst "offenders". Mods and skills will hit EVERYONE. After all EVERYONE have been nerfed enough this past year...
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Dr Nightmare
Digital assassins
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 19:03:00 -
[895]
against... byebye small gang 0.0, hi blob warfare
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Frank May
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 19:13:00 -
[896]
against it
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Nestor X85
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 19:14:00 -
[897]
Against the nerf.
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Lonagan
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 20:41:00 -
[898]
against
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Solomon XI
Black Scorpion Navy
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:42:00 -
[899]
/Signed.
I am ***Strongly Against*** this patch.
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Demus DaVet
Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:45:00 -
[900]
AGAINST
I doubt there could a way to implement this worse
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Cloue
Gallente Stripping Agency
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:48:00 -
[901]
ASAINST, Worst patch idea ever? ---------------------------------------------- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Gallente Stripping Agency. |
Hambonie
The Good Fellas
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:49:00 -
[902]
Edited by: Hambonie on 28/07/2008 20:49:37 AGAINST drops the value of my toon
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Tantrim
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:51:00 -
[903]
Agains, especially after some tests made by my friend on sisi...
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:53:00 -
[904]
Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 28/07/2008 20:53:21 If this nerf goes through it will ruin eve for many like myself. I don't wanna fight in RR gangs all the time. Small gang pvp will be ruined. --
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Captain Coochie
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:53:00 -
[905]
Against this idea, especially after testing it. It's way worse than I thought.
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Blue Sensation
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:53:00 -
[906]
Against, horrible just horrible
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Hellown
Einherjar Rising
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:55:00 -
[907]
This totaly kills small gang warfare.... Welcome to blob online.
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Nyx Opet
Top Secret Robot Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 20:58:00 -
[908]
AGAINST AGAINST AGAINST!!! --- What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion. |
Jallem Sims
Quantum Warriors
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:00:00 -
[909]
to much..... they should develop not destroy |
Mother Sheep
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:02:00 -
[910]
not in this form
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:18:00 -
[911]
worst attempt at a nerf eva
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Han Renbai
Omerta Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:23:00 -
[912]
Supported.
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IVI430
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:30:00 -
[913]
i tried it on sisi today, AGAINST
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Louis Trenker
Jion Keanturi
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:32:00 -
[914]
AGAINST
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ElCholo
Killed In Action
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:35:00 -
[915]
aaaaaaagainst!
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Warn1nG Soul
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:36:00 -
[916]
fix the lag.
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Arous Drephius
Alpha Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:36:00 -
[917]
Senseless nerfbat swinging.
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Ti'ara Ka'trik
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:43:00 -
[918]
Against! Dint read all, so i dont know if it sayed before, but this nerf looks like an idea frome someone who nerver flyed with or against a nanogang.
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VIncent Vance
Gallente E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:50:00 -
[919]
AGAINST
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Regulottus
E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:51:00 -
[920]
AGAINST
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Phi Doe
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:52:00 -
[921]
AGAINST
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LiMu Bai
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:52:00 -
[922]
AGAINST!
Do it and I leave^^
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Rogan Guild
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:53:00 -
[923]
The proposed speed nerfs would significantly detract from the fun of pvp battles in Eve. I support this thread.
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Seymour Roids
E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:54:00 -
[924]
Totally AGAINST
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Kellen Pikara
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:12:00 -
[925]
Against. Heavy handed, ill thought, poorly implemented.
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Galaxy S
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:25:00 -
[926]
Against
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Rn Bonnet
Free Collective The OSS
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:28:00 -
[927]
Some fixes needed to be made, this is insane.
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Guam
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:30:00 -
[928]
Against
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Ashira Yoshino
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:32:00 -
[929]
Against
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Tennents Supra
Einmal mit Profis arbeiten eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:33:00 -
[930]
against
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Shinri Kyo
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:34:00 -
[931]
Edited by: Shinri Kyo on 28/07/2008 22:37:37 Against
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Battalier
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:34:00 -
[932]
Sux big time - Time to start looking for a new game. There appears to be no point what so-ever in this game to train for specific skills as the minute people do become profficient CCP in their infinite stupidity totally negate any benefits that the time you have spent have given you.
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Arutha Danan
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:36:00 -
[933]
Against - totally
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Heikke Ahtisaari
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:38:00 -
[934]
Against. - Emphatically
Your Signature exceeds the max filesize limit of 24,000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo |
Davey Oaks
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:50:00 -
[935]
The seriously high speed ships could do with looking at - but this is waaaay over the top. |
Galvatr0n
Gallente LEGI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.28 23:17:00 -
[936]
Against. Although I wonder, will CCP even give a shit? If the MWD nerf and the WEB nerf go through I will end my subscription. No you can't have my stuff. I may come back if they ever unnerf this stupid shit. WE ARE LEGI0N. WE DO NOT FORGIVE. WE DO NOT FORGET. EXPECT US. |
Hehulk
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.28 23:18:00 -
[937]
Do Not Want. ----------
It's great being minmatar, ain't it |
Afjab
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 23:22:00 -
[938]
Bad
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Femaref
Armageddon Day Brotherhood of armed traders
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 23:24:00 -
[939]
against
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Der Fangzahn
Breed of Malakka
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Posted - 2008.07.28 23:26:00 -
[940]
AGAINST
Try to shoot a cruiser in near orbit with your BS (incl. web). -> Fail
Try to shoot a frig in near orbit with your Cruiser (incl. web). -> Fail
This is not only a nano Nerf, this a missile buff and a great turret nerf.
-- I'm the Pest -- |
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IVI430
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Posted - 2008.07.28 23:52:00 -
[941]
Originally by: Der Fangzahn AGAINST
Try to shoot a cruiser in near orbit with your BS (incl. web). -> Fail
Try to shoot a frig in near orbit with your Cruiser (incl. web). -> Fail
This is not only a nano Nerf, this a missile buff and a great turret nerf.
i totally agree
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Labho1
|
Posted - 2008.07.28 23:52:00 -
[942]
Fail CCP, against
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Alex Eclipse
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 00:15:00 -
[943]
Rock Paper Scissors.
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Ghostthor
Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.29 00:16:00 -
[944]
Rock Paper Scissors.
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AntarisIX
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 00:19:00 -
[945]
long live nano
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Ronan Ko'dred
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Posted - 2008.07.29 00:32:00 -
[946]
I read countless of posts so far on this topic I flew a lots of hours till today I spend months of training time I lost millions of isk to nanos I lost another millions of isk in nanos
against !¦
taking away lots of gameplay fun *thx
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Halsoy
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 00:36:00 -
[947]
Edited by: Halsoy on 29/07/2008 00:36:31 This reall, really, really, really, oh, wait, did I say really sucks?
Signed.
Surely there is a better way to work around it, as discussed in corp, make a bloody scripted web, one with long range but low web and a short range with good web or something. Don't knock down on everything ffs.
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Pip Warchild
North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 01:13:00 -
[948]
AGAINST
Fine get the speeds down a tad, but dont remove small gang warfare.
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MD Dawg
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 02:25:00 -
[949]
The nano nerf can lick the hind of my ishtar's body which you can call its rear end.
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Dalla
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 02:25:00 -
[950]
Against Nano MWD Web Scrammbler Nerf
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Cirax
Escuadron Federal de Asalto
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 02:28:00 -
[951]
I support this. Excesive changes at the same time.
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Eacham Graeme
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 02:38:00 -
[952]
Signed
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Essque
Starlancers
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 03:07:00 -
[953]
Originally by: James Lyrus I think it's telling how many votes this topic got before the changes even got as far as the test server.
It suggests there's a whole lot of people who are prepared to condemn something without any clue whatsoever how it'll bear out.
I hope CCP takes this into consideration, when they start looking at voting.
I don't need to jump from a high building head first in order to know it's a bad idea. A basic understanding of physics and a wee bit of imagination will tell me what it will happen. I'd appreciate if you'd think before you post. Thank you.
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Tucan SonOfSam
Otakus Society Revolution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 03:38:00 -
[954]
Against. This is a really stupid idea overall. You are removing the efforts of hundreds if not thousands of invested training hours per person and vast somes of isk that people have invested in order to be able to have some amazing ships which should be the right of people who have played long enough and invested a lot of real money in subscription fee's. This is just as R E T A R D E D as the carrier nerf and just as bad. Maybe you should add new modules instead that work to counter nano set up's instead of nullifying people's hard fought investments.
CCP = EPIC FAIL.
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El Polako
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:19:00 -
[955]
against
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Pticu
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:20:00 -
[956]
Against the nerf.
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Xavras
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:21:00 -
[957]
Against the nerf
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Azazel Ardi
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:22:00 -
[958]
Against the nerf
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:24:00 -
[959]
I'm against it *as it stands now*. The changes are far too complex and far reaching for something that is just supposed to slow things down a bit. I'd be prepared to re-look at a simpler model.
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Quinnolite
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:24:00 -
[960]
Against!!
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Quarantan
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 05:32:00 -
[961]
Edited by: Quarantan on 29/07/2008 05:32:09 Against
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Mear O'Breannen
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:17:00 -
[962]
Against!
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Rhamnousia
Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:27:00 -
[963]
AGAINST.
Test on Sisi proved that this is not going to work. Nerfbat at fullswing can kill the game in a single blow.
Recommend Devs spend more than five hours to come up with a solution for EVE's problem(s) next time around. ---------------------- What happens in Pelennor stays in Pelennor.
Forever Pelennor |
Gnojna Angina
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:35:00 -
[964]
against the nerf!!
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Kalica Kahn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:50:00 -
[965]
As it stands it's far too heavy handed.
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Gellios RU
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 07:12:00 -
[966]
AGAINST!!!
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Exclipt
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 07:28:00 -
[967]
signed
вротмненогичтовыделаете
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daMindwalker
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 07:30:00 -
[968]
Against - skip this crap
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Kombat PL
Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 07:42:00 -
[969]
TOTALLY AGAINST!!!! IT WILL BREAK THE GAME
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Mathias Valknut
Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 07:59:00 -
[970]
I would suggest that the person that came up with these changes should play the game a bit, skill for a nanoship, earn isk for a nanoship and fit and skills and then go pvp in it for a bit and only THEN try to think about changing things after his vaga is killed to 3 weeks old raven (or any other BS) with hvy neut. There is no 'nano problem' it was created by people who don't know how to fit their ships! I'm strongly concidering quitting my 3 accounts if this patch makes it to TQ. (As many of my corpmates) Totally against.
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Predator989
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:11:00 -
[971]
Edited by: Predator989 on 29/07/2008 08:11:21 The damn nerf was just too much to handle. Not even a battleship can move at even decent speed armor fit + mwd. If this patch does go live...I'll still be around, but damn will it be boring.
Carebears need to adapt and use other ships to counter nano fit ships....it really isn't that hard.
CCP needs to learn:
1) do not feed crybabys it only promotes more whining
2) Instead of nerfing a type of tanking all together, they need to nerf certain ships down to a lower speed.
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Terriax
Beach Boys
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 08:23:00 -
[972]
Against!
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Boma Airaken
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 08:32:00 -
[973]
mega deluxe against
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DRACOaberration
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 08:35:00 -
[974]
AGAINST!!!
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 08:42:00 -
[975]
Remember to check the "give your support" box when making a post, or your vote really doesn't get noticed, or counted! Thanks people.
(I already voted, so I don't need to do it again!)
Cheers. *
* |
Dinkytot
Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:02:00 -
[976]
Edited by: Dinkytot on 29/07/2008 09:03:23 Against
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Poison Punch
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:02:00 -
[977]
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Elise Vectra
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:05:00 -
[978]
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:06:00 -
[979]
CCP will ignore this, don't worry guys.
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Gronadal Achura
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:25:00 -
[980]
against
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Grondi PL
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:31:00 -
[981]
AGAINST |
Dire Lonestar
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:36:00 -
[982]
Against.
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Val Kox
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:37:00 -
[983]
against |
MenanceWhite
Red Light Navy
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:39:00 -
[984]
lol. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
|
Deathifier
Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:10:00 -
[985]
Against.
As it stands on the test server, a 3,800 m/s ship has been nerfed down to 1,800 m/s with the proposed changes. The clusterf***s in ccp want to decimate their custome base??
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Venzon 2003
Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:11:00 -
[986]
Against
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Anuqueira
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:11:00 -
[987]
AGAINST
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GuerrilaRadio
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:13:00 -
[988]
Edited by: GuerrilaRadio on 29/07/2008 10:12:46 Against
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Zarlis
The Scope
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:18:00 -
[989]
I dont fly nano but when battleships using Afterburners are getting caught up in the nerf (my Navy Mega lost 60m/s and my Mach lost 100+m/s) then CCP have gone way too far. if specific ships or modules have an issue then fix them but this indiscriminate carpet bombing of most of the eve population has to stop.
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Angel Cruz
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:23:00 -
[990]
I am full AGAINST this
This makes me sad.
|
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OverLord PL
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:23:00 -
[991]
Against
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Dominik Miethling
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:34:00 -
[992]
Against due to overuse of the Nerfbat.
|
Midfielder
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:38:00 -
[993]
Against webnerf!
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Ar3s
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:39:00 -
[994]
Against webnerf!
|
Krantus
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:42:00 -
[995]
Against webnerf!
|
viollllllas
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:43:00 -
[996]
AGAINST
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Slithery Stalker
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:44:00 -
[997]
Against webnerf!
|
Captain Crunch
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:47:00 -
[998]
Against webnerf!
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MadMadMad
Perkone
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:58:00 -
[999]
nano must live |
Gyoji
T e r c i o s
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:13:00 -
[1000]
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bella lugosi
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:18:00 -
[1001]
Edited by: bella lugosi on 29/07/2008 11:18:30 against. the constant nerfs are getting absurd. the number of unintended changes incurred by altering so many game mechanics at once will be staggering.
you say you want to reduce the "ludicrous speeds" on some ships, but have really implimented massive changes in speed and accelleration to every ship.
|
GodNoob 666
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:19:00 -
[1002]
AGAINST
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easylad
Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:20:00 -
[1003]
Plz plz plz plz dont nerf nanos, There are plenty of ways to stop nano fleets if people use there heads so there is no need to change it.
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5h4dy
Caeco Dominus
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:24:00 -
[1004]
The nerf is to harsh and to much of a change to the way pvp works, a change as big as this can completely break pvp as we currently know it and that isnt a good thing.
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Anja Lind
Genesis Rising
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:26:00 -
[1005]
<--
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Inoi Troriak
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:28:00 -
[1006]
I for one am really dissapointed with ccp on this matter. I fly a multitude of ships nano being my ship of choice. It has taken me and im sure the rest of you a great deal of time to skill in this area. We pay good money to play eve and the way I see it this game is geared up for the bears in eve. CCP do yourselfs a favor and LEAVE NANO ALONE!!!! SO YES I AM 100% against the nerf. One last thing I can See CCP loosing many pilots if this nerf is bought into affect why are you fixing something that is not broken Wake up !!!
|
TheMean Machine
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:40:00 -
[1007]
against! |
Bobroglaz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:41:00 -
[1008]
Edited by: Bobroglaz on 29/07/2008 11:41:41 AGAINST
Small gang warfare must prevail all this is going to is add to the blob warfare thats currently controling eve. |
Hastrabull
Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:44:00 -
[1009]
signed |
Ior Mader
Exiled. Un-Natural Selection
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 11:56:00 -
[1010]
Edited by: Ior Mader on 29/07/2008 11:56:49 I'm disappointed with this knee-jerk reaction. I find it interesting that when people complain about nanos being overpowered and start telling their hard luck stories of encountering them, the last thing they want to hear is constructive suggestions on how to setup or what to do, to avoid a repeat. They seem to have accepted the party line that nanos are overpowered and need to be changed and won't consider that perhaps they also could adapt.
The big blobfests are not fun. I fly them when I have to out of a feeling of duty to the team. The small fast gangs are fun and don't take such solid massive blocks of time. Please leave some variety in the game CCP so that small gang pvp is still an option.
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ArchVonBaron
Dire Trucking Varangian Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 12:04:00 -
[1011]
In its current form I'm against the nerf, and until they sort it out I won't support it, and no I don't fly any nano ships because I can't afford them.
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EvilFree
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 12:07:00 -
[1012]
nano nerf will kill all small scale pvp
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Hilder
G.E.A.R.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:14:00 -
[1013]
Nano setups unquestionably need rebalancing. Its also quite telling to see the section of the player base most vocal in their "moral outrage" . Nano should no longer be the "I-Win button" it is atm, but these changes are too much CCP!
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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:15:00 -
[1014]
-------------------------------------------------
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Evesham
Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:23:00 -
[1015]
Well I guess this means that we should all start roaming around in slow ass Battleships taking 5 minutes to get through a system, meaning going 10 jumps there and 10 jumps back will take 2 hrs. Oh BTW I support this thread if you must keep nerfing stuff then please don't do to speedy ships what you did to the Pilgrim give the ships that are meant to be fast a boost so they stay fast
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PeaceDeath
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:38:00 -
[1016]
аgainst
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:39:00 -
[1017]
AGAINST !!!!!!!!!!
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Ion Hound
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:49:00 -
[1018]
I am against this nerf. |
BRS san
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 12:59:00 -
[1019]
against
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dangster
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:05:00 -
[1020]
againts. i spent the 1st year and half of my eve life maxing my skills 4 nano and have used this skill 2 progress 2 new ships that can b nano. this will b a major set bk 4 ccp if this does happen and seems there going backwards not forwood
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Kay Han
Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:11:00 -
[1021]
/me is against this nerf. It¦s absolutly not needed and there are more imprtant things to fix arround
Originally by: CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:20:00 -
[1022]
the current ratio of about 900-300 amuses me. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:25:00 -
[1023]
against the nerf, keep it up boys
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Labienus
Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:38:00 -
[1024]
Against, nerf just takes it too far and elimates nano ships as a viable option.
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Hanid Queen
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:40:00 -
[1025]
Edited by: Hanid Queen on 29/07/2008 13:42:33 AGAINST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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Gimpslayer
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:47:00 -
[1026]
against
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Lord dMt
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:53:00 -
[1027]
Up Nano ships Down chinese farmers!!!! Anyway u will die in both case cos u're only noob!!!
buahahaha
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Sir dMt
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:54:00 -
[1028]
Edited by: Sir dMt on 29/07/2008 13:54:05 Nano ships for ever \o/
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Dr dMt
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:55:00 -
[1029]
Nano nano, la tua mano...ops sry :) Anyway up for nano ships
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Lemonxi
Sour Lemons
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:55:00 -
[1030]
Voted
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Darkxen
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 13:56:00 -
[1031]
.
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Sohta
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:04:00 -
[1032]
Against, the nerf to the nanoships
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Streptokok
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:05:00 -
[1033]
Edited by: Streptokok on 29/07/2008 14:05:11 Against.
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KarakC
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:05:00 -
[1034]
Small ew ships(electronic attack ships) cretad for satisfying goon requests. Speed nerfed for satisfying chinese isk famer requests. What's the next? Nerfing weapons, indestructible minning ships? Vote no to CCP mindless plans.
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Siobhan Delphi
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:18:00 -
[1035]
againstttt
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BostonGeorge
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:29:00 -
[1036]
Edited by: BostonGeorge on 29/07/2008 14:29:46
Originally by: Siobhan Delphi againstttt
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Cpt Cry
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:30:00 -
[1037]
against
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:30:00 -
[1038]
against Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Dranadar
Privateer Industrial Operations
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:31:00 -
[1039]
no no no
Dranadar - Space Monkey
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Columbus Expo
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:31:00 -
[1040]
omg no...
|
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HighwayMan DhD
Highwaymen
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:32:00 -
[1041]
no. stop this idiocy
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K'lairne
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:33:00 -
[1042]
against
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Jebe Noyon
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:33:00 -
[1043]
Nerf nano and you will see an entirely new level of emo.
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Whistler Vinci
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:33:00 -
[1044]
stupid move imo. against
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GeorgeYung
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:34:00 -
[1045]
agasint.
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Space Cracker
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:35:00 -
[1046]
against it.
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32Kilo
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:35:00 -
[1047]
nooooo
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Dandy Highwayman
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:36:00 -
[1048]
against it...
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Sir Quentin
Nuts and Bolts
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 14:55:00 -
[1049]
Against ---
www.nubo-corp.de - Nuts and Bolts Killboard |
HedFunk Iillumanatie
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:07:00 -
[1050]
noo
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MiBallzRhairy
Black Star Union
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:10:00 -
[1051]
WTB new Devs
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ExitW0und
STARFLEET SHIPYARDS
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:10:00 -
[1052]
leave the game alone! Its prefect how it is.
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BananaHammock
Black Star Union
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:11:00 -
[1053]
leave the nanos alone!!
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Lib1
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:12:00 -
[1054]
agasint.
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Solar Fear
The Illuminati.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:12:00 -
[1055]
against
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Carnage Asada
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:13:00 -
[1056]
AGAINST
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Mysa
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:15:00 -
[1057]
well i had fun for a month in my deimos atleast, time to reprocess? AGAINTS !!!
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Angmar Illuminati
freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:15:00 -
[1058]
i hate nano***s, but im against the nerf, carebears need to L2P
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Lightbringer
freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:16:00 -
[1059]
against the nano nerf, Learn to play
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lib2
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:23:00 -
[1060]
supported
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Deckert
freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:24:00 -
[1061]
Against. People really should know how to use webbifiers.
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Bartho
freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:26:00 -
[1062]
Edited by: Bartho on 29/07/2008 15:26:42 Against the nerf. Learn how to play.
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Yaay
Game-Over The Requiem
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:27:00 -
[1063]
my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
It's the Economy Stupid |
THEDON1
freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:32:00 -
[1064]
Against. If you don't know how to play or sacrifice a med slot for a web then don't play the game whiners.
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REV001
VXR Heavy Industries
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:39:00 -
[1065]
Against !!!
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Sola Sun
Jita Trade Services
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:41:00 -
[1066]
I am against speed nerf.
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Damsel I
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:44:00 -
[1067]
Against !!!!
WTB Dev's with some brains !!!
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SHADEVIL
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:48:00 -
[1068]
Definitely Against this ridiculous nerfing !!!
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:52:00 -
[1069]
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
Think twice before speaking. You can only support the vote with one char per payed account.
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vtocIII
Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:54:00 -
[1070]
Against !!!
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MrauuSrauu
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:55:00 -
[1071]
Totally against.
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Dalej lama
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:56:00 -
[1072]
WTF?! Again matar nerf. NEVER!
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XrayZ
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 15:57:00 -
[1073]
Against !!! --------------------------------------
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SpaceSavage
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:00:00 -
[1074]
AGAINST!
_______________
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Ackaroth
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:06:00 -
[1075]
I just think this isnt as well thought out as it could be. Nano gives people a chance to do guerilla warfare. EVE needs some way to do this, we cant all get 100 people together just to raid enemy space for a half hour.
__________________________________________ -"This band I'm listening to is sooo underground, they released their first album as 60 minutes of silence."
-"As an mp3?"
-"As a word document..." |
diiidiiax
Amarr Dark Entropy G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:39:00 -
[1076]
AGAINST!
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Lydia Celestine
Garoun Investment Bank
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:40:00 -
[1077]
AGAINST!
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Karad Forsky
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:42:00 -
[1078]
Not in this form.
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TERROZ HUN
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:57:00 -
[1079]
Bring the noobs closer to highly skilled players,ahh how sweet,Do us all a favour and leave the game alone for a few years.........
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TERROZ HUN
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:59:00 -
[1080]
against
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Steel-Wolfs
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:04:00 -
[1081]
Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 29/07/2008 17:04:45 Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 29/07/2008 17:04:13
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
Think twice before speaking. You can only support the vote with one char per payed account.
Wrong, the CSM's just have a way of seeing how many accounts accually voted, and not characters.
There is nothing that limits the number of characters you /sign in this thread with. Since there are 3 characters per account, it is perfectly feasable for there to only be 13 pages of actual votes against this nerf.
Judging from the ammount of alts I've spotted where 3 people in a row look the exact same, or 2-3 in a row have the same name with different spellings. I'ld say this thread actually only has around 20 somthing pages of actual votes.
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Jenna Trueman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:07:00 -
[1082]
AGAINST!
|
Ilovepoasting
Richard Cheese dedication corp
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:10:00 -
[1083]
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
ohey Mr bs ops for life!
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Kurt Hetfield
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:12:00 -
[1084]
Against!
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Jade Constantine
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:15:00 -
[1085]
Originally by: Steel Tigeress Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 29/07/2008 17:04:45 Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 29/07/2008 17:04:13
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
Think twice before speaking. You can only support the vote with one char per payed account.
Wrong, the CSM's just have a way of seeing how many accounts accually voted, and not characters.
There is nothing that limits the number of characters you /sign in this thread with. Since there are 3 characters per account, it is perfectly feasable for there to only be 13 pages of actual votes against this nerf.
Judging from the ammount of alts I've spotted where 3 people in a row look the exact same, or 2-3 in a row have the same name with different spellings. I'ld say this thread actually only has around 20 somthing pages of actual votes.
Of course thats going to be exactly the same for the pro nerf thread as well so its something of a null argument.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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sajberk
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:29:00 -
[1086]
Edited by: sajberk on 29/07/2008 17:33:44 no speed nerf pls!
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Red Raider
Caldari Airbourne Demons
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:34:00 -
[1087]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Of course thats going to be exactly the same for the pro nerf thread as well so its something of a null argument.
I only voted once their Jade. Though I don't agree with some of the parts of the nerf the Dev mentioned I agree a change needs to be made.
A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out. |
Will Rose
Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:36:00 -
[1088]
I am not against a reduction in the effectiveness of Nano ships - for the longest time I did my best to make do without a 'nano' ship in small gang PVP and was quickly educated in just how impossible they were to do without. There are counters to nano, yes - but they are particularly resource intensive in terms of specific skills, modules and ships - much more so nanoing - they only lead down the slippery slope towards blobsville, which is not a place I want to go.
What is needed isn't a broad nerf of everything nano, what is needed is a balanced consideration of what the problems are with the tracking, explosion radius system etc. as well as the more extreme ends of the Nano scale, and a proper rebalancing. Perhaps consider modules like webification fields, or remote area webs, just as there are remote area ECM mods.
I support the principle of the thing - ridiculous speeds need to be brought back into line (or weapons need to be properly worked out so that they still have some effect at speeds), but not the scale of the proposed nerfs, so I vote against.
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Jade Constantine
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:37:00 -
[1089]
Originally by: Red Raider
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Of course thats going to be exactly the same for the pro nerf thread as well so its something of a null argument.
I only voted once their Jade. Though I don't agree with some of the parts of the nerf the Dev mentioned I agree a change needs to be made.
I imagine plenty of perfectly honest players only voted in this thread once too. Point was that extreme frothers on both sides of the argument will multiple post with their alts as a general rule.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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ZedLey
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:38:00 -
[1090]
Against.
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shibby5114
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:55:00 -
[1091]
Edited by: shibby5114 on 29/07/2008 17:55:27 against!
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Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:55:00 -
[1092]
nerf nanos
---------------------------------------------
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:57:00 -
[1093]
against stupid design decisions.
|
Pegas
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:58:00 -
[1094]
Against. |
cmd icecube
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:00:00 -
[1095]
Against
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Wojak Szwejk
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:01:00 -
[1096]
Against
|
Zbuntowany Kaloryfer
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:02:00 -
[1097]
AGAINST
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Rozbity Termometr
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:03:00 -
[1098]
AGAINST
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Zakrecony Termos
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:03:00 -
[1099]
AGAINST
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Wstyd mi
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:04:00 -
[1100]
AGAINST
|
|
Narzeczona Bosmana
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:05:00 -
[1101]
Against
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Pani Zuzia
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:05:00 -
[1102]
AGAINST
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:11:00 -
[1103]
Wow, look at ALL these alts!!! Its too bad all the alts don't count :)
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Tearavygh Quillam
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:16:00 -
[1104]
AGAINST
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Luna DeRossa
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:16:00 -
[1105]
AGAINST definitly !
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recco02
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:18:00 -
[1106]
AGAINST
Small gang warfare must prevail.
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Insaki
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:18:00 -
[1107]
AGAINST
Kill the blob
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xDOTHEDEWx
School of Applied Knowledge
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:22:00 -
[1108]
SUPPORT
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Dieneykes
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:40:00 -
[1109]
Against.
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Dieneykes
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:41:00 -
[1110]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Wow, look at ALL these alts!!! Its too bad all the alts don't count :)
Too bad you don't actually know how the voting mechanism works.
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Yaay
Game-Over The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.29 18:45:00 -
[1111]
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
Think twice before speaking. You can only support the vote with one char per payed account.
and how many people in even have more than one account.
It's the Economy Stupid |
Yaay
Game-Over The Requiem
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:48:00 -
[1112]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Steel Tigeress Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 29/07/2008 17:04:45 Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 29/07/2008 17:04:13
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
Think twice before speaking. You can only support the vote with one char per payed account.
I think you'll tend to find the people affected most negatively will also be the most outspoken on issues.... the old business contengent, an unhappy customer will tell 40 people, a happy customer will tell 7
Wrong, the CSM's just have a way of seeing how many accounts accually voted, and not characters.
There is nothing that limits the number of characters you /sign in this thread with. Since there are 3 characters per account, it is perfectly feasable for there to only be 13 pages of actual votes against this nerf.
Judging from the ammount of alts I've spotted where 3 people in a row look the exact same, or 2-3 in a row have the same name with different spellings. I'ld say this thread actually only has around 20 somthing pages of actual votes.
Of course thats going to be exactly the same for the pro nerf thread as well so its something of a null argument.
It's the Economy Stupid |
Tiggi Wrath
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:50:00 -
[1113]
against
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Xrat
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:51:00 -
[1114]
against |
DarkMistress IV
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:56:00 -
[1115]
against
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Adrienne Amici
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:56:00 -
[1116]
against
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shanador
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:57:00 -
[1117]
against
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 19:04:00 -
[1118]
I was just looking at the names of the people in this thread with a thumbs-up, and I thought I had accidentally fallen in to a macro mining boost thread.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Gumpy Nighthawk
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:13:00 -
[1119]
I hate the idea, so i'm against it!!
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:14:00 -
[1120]
I personally am for, and therefor I shall not tick the box to support. ____________________________
Originally by: Elirel this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff.
[/ |
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xHomicide
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:26:00 -
[1121]
--- Razor CEI
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Kelborn Rostu
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:27:00 -
[1122]
Against the nanonerf
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Joe Widowmaker
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:34:00 -
[1123]
People play like this because it's fun...Take the fun away and people won't play anymore.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:36:00 -
[1124]
Originally by: Joe Widowmaker People play like this because it's fun...Take the fun away and people won't play anymore.
So people who can't, for whatever reason, play like that aren't entitled to fun?
Nice.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Calthur
Anal Anomities of Space Hookers
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:37:00 -
[1125]
Edited by: Calthur on 29/07/2008 19:37:47 I finish Cruiser V in a few days!! NO WAI!
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Shurq Ellale
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 19:49:00 -
[1126]
I am pro nerfing nanos generally, but against this nano-nerf. Too heavy-handed for numerous reasons.
For starters, try: - stacking nanos with ODs and i stabs - make the polycarbon worse than the nano - nerf snakes - nerf gang bonuses (I actually kind of like the bonus to agility idea)
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Jennice
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:51:00 -
[1127]
AGAINST
cuz i just trained nano lol
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Oritan
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 19:56:00 -
[1128]
Against
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Sheratos
Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 19:59:00 -
[1129]
Against |
Damia
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:02:00 -
[1130]
Against.
Server speed first, ship speed later. __________________________________ :Signed: |
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Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:17:00 -
[1131]
Voting for this. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Raukho
Industrial Docktors
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:21:00 -
[1132]
Roaming in 0.0 will be dead at every fighter bombed bubbled gate camp.
If people spent 1.5 Bill and more on a ship and implants they should be fast.
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Momochanchan
Hedion University
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:21:00 -
[1133]
Girls just want to go fast.
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Lady Starfire
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:22:00 -
[1134]
I have a carrier pilot and as Fun as fighter bombing is I just wanna go fast.
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Fuzzydice
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:23:00 -
[1135]
Against |
Komoran
Gallente Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:24:00 -
[1136]
AGAINST
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OrcishMonkey
Caldari Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:24:00 -
[1137]
typhoon = fatter then hyperion or baddon LOL cerb = god anyways /support [url=http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=47107] [/url] |
Kahu'mza
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:25:00 -
[1138]
Edited by: Kahu''mza on 29/07/2008 20:25:08 Against this nerf |
Morgan La'Chance
Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:26:00 -
[1139]
It is too much. Have a look at implants, polycarbs, and stacking, and mess around with speeds and agility if you want, but in its current SiSi edition it is just too much. |
Zirator
Industrial Docktors
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:26:00 -
[1140]
I vote against the nerf in it's current form.
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Hiauki
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:28:00 -
[1141]
For what it's worth
|
Caldor Gend
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:32:00 -
[1142]
Against
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Lyserc
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:33:00 -
[1143]
Against
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TheAdj
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:47:00 -
[1144]
While nerfing polys/snakes some wouldn't be a bad thing, this is way overboard. The entire minmatar race is nearly useless and webs are useless (even officer webs got ****d for no reason). Please rethink this, as a significant portion of your subscriber base is saying "these changes are horrible." ----------------
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Momo chan
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Posted - 2008.07.29 21:01:00 -
[1145]
Peach chan punch support.
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Red Raider
Caldari Airbourne Demons
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 21:05:00 -
[1146]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Red Raider
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Of course thats going to be exactly the same for the pro nerf thread as well so its something of a null argument.
I only voted once their Jade. Though I don't agree with some of the parts of the nerf the Dev mentioned I agree a change needs to be made.
I imagine plenty of perfectly honest players only voted in this thread once too. Point was that extreme frothers on both sides of the argument will multiple post with their alts as a general rule.
Which bears the question: Are all players being equally represented by this(and the other) thread? Or is this threads success contributed to the people with the most to lose stomping their feet and throwing a fit in an attempt at retaining a gameplay advantage that is largely considered extremely unbalanced?
Has there been any proposals to require player voting at login? It seems to me like at this point thats a very valid way of determining what everyone thinks not just those that troll the forums from work and those that stand the most to lose
A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out. |
TATP
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 21:12:00 -
[1147]
against
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Red Raider
Caldari Airbourne Demons
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Posted - 2008.07.29 21:16:00 -
[1148]
Originally by: TheAdj While nerfing polys/snakes some wouldn't be a bad thing, this is way overboard. The entire minmatar race is nearly useless and webs are useless (even officer webs got ****d for no reason). Please rethink this, as a significant portion of your subscriber base is saying "these changes are horrible."
I think this makes my point quiet well. Even if every post in here was against and every one of them was a single account than this current quantity accounts for .55% of the active accounts of EVE. Not a "significant" portion by any means.
A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out. |
Mitthrawn Uruodo
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 21:18:00 -
[1149]
against
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Oregon sinful
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 22:11:00 -
[1150]
/signed this nerf takes everything i like about this game and throws it all away.
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Love Shine
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 22:12:00 -
[1151]
/signed ----------------- I am a Very Pretty Man!!!
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TavroJ
Black Plague.
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 22:13:00 -
[1152]
Edited by: TavroJ on 29/07/2008 22:13:14 this nerf is blatantly ******ed.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 22:23:00 -
[1153]
My sig is even more true than before....against! -- Might As well Train Another Race |
Sunshine Katy
Patricia Lane Partners
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 22:54:00 -
[1154]
against. by a lot. not well thought-out and extremely heavy-handed. clumsy even. |
Skebet
Evolution
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 22:58:00 -
[1155]
against. |
Sandra Tourraine
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 23:03:00 -
[1156]
think this change has been very poorly implemented. |
Durris
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 23:12:00 -
[1157]
against
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CHAOS100
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 23:22:00 -
[1158]
AGAINST --------------
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B4ckst4B
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.29 23:40:00 -
[1159]
Theres noway ill continue to play this game if the sisi changes are put on tq. -3 accounts.
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FinnAgain Zero
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Posted - 2008.07.29 23:51:00 -
[1160]
Nerf is too drastic and nerfs way too much all at once. Start with polys or something and go from there, we're players not beta testers and 0.0 small gang tactics can't really be tested on SISI anyway. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain! Comeday morm and, O, youÆre vine! SenddayÆs eve and, ah, youÆre vinegar! Hahahaha, Mister |
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Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.29 23:54:00 -
[1161]
Edited by: Cmndr Griff on 29/07/2008 23:55:39 Get my vote.
The fact that this thread is so much longer than its sister one speaks volumes. There are numerous suggestions that would've been much better in sorting out nano combat. Perhaps listening to some of the more intelligent forum posters might stop you getting fourty-two page threads going against your proposed ideas CCP?
"Your ego's writing cheques your body can't cash." |
Minh Linh
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 00:05:00 -
[1162]
/signed
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D Yden
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 00:08:00 -
[1163]
sigend
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Ninninx Jaasii
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 01:02:00 -
[1164]
/Signed
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Khyle
Center for Advanced Studies
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 01:44:00 -
[1165]
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Test Ctrl
Tacos Revolution
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 02:50:00 -
[1166]
/signed
My ceptor's are useless now. I could tackle just as well in a cheap frigate instead of having my uninsurable ship popped by warrior drones.
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St0rmtr00per
Mechanical Engineering
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 03:31:00 -
[1167]
Edited by: St0rmtr00per on 30/07/2008 03:31:30 AGAINST
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FleshFish
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 04:29:00 -
[1168]
Against!
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KurMur
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 04:30:00 -
[1169]
Against!
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Loyal Servant
PURE Legion Pure.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 04:46:00 -
[1170]
It is clear to me that this is a HOT topic. I was really undecided in this as a rule.
There are many ways to counter nanoships that nobody really wants to do because it requires coordination and brains to do it.
The arguments on both sides are very compelling but it is clear to me just looking at these 2 threads that the playerbase has spoken.
Looks to me like the majority is against this nerf so I will support this motion, that has no weight anyhow - CCP will do it no matter what is said.
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Katarlia Simov
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.07.30 05:04:00 -
[1171]
Nano nerf can go die. Lots.
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Droofy
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 05:53:00 -
[1172]
Against !
Nerf speed ? Why not. Destroy speed tanking for cruiser sized vessels and above ? No please, not fair for those who can't shield or armor tank. Make missiles the must have in small gang or solo pvp ? It's going to become the "push the button it can't tank it anyway" flavor of the month until the next nerf.
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Rhysh
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Posted - 2008.07.30 07:03:00 -
[1173]
Too much, too fast and too many 'flow on' effects to missiles, web, scram and who knows what else if it is ever put into operation.
Good idea to reduce 'ludicrous' speed but worst implementation ever.
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Helfix
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 07:13:00 -
[1174]
/signed and STAMPED to Iceland
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Gishpanec
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 07:45:00 -
[1175]
AGAINST
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Egnostos
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:01:00 -
[1176]
against
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vlzSonya
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:04:00 -
[1177]
Against
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Celeene Siun
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:04:00 -
[1178]
AGAINST
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runers
Requiem of Hades Blade.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:15:00 -
[1179]
ccp need rethink what they want. they try to control everything now. did they still remember what they said first?they just give tools they will give player a free space. so they want more now.
null |
Bugson PL
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:20:00 -
[1180]
Against !
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:24:00 -
[1181]
2/3 of the replies here are done by alters ________________________________________
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Coriin Fenn
Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:33:00 -
[1182]
Against!!!
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Faydelm
Central Research Nexus
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:44:00 -
[1183]
Against.
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unlucky bustard
Combined Fleet
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:50:00 -
[1184]
Against.
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someonedark
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:54:00 -
[1185]
signed
against
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Nagasaki III
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:57:00 -
[1186]
signed
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Gostyx
No Quarter. Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 08:58:00 -
[1187]
against --- Woe to the vanquished. |
doobey
Minmatar Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:02:00 -
[1188]
signed
against
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Memento KOS
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:06:00 -
[1189]
DEAR PLAYER,
we changed your loved mmog to hello kitty online. It¦s sink or swim!
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dayandnight trader
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:11:00 -
[1190]
Edited by: dayandnight trader on 30/07/2008 09:12:20 hello kitty online is great fun! ok.../sarcasm end
against
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DREAMWORKS
Jion Keanturi
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Posted - 2008.07.30 09:14:00 -
[1191]
Who ever came up with this nerf-has never played this game.
__________________________
http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
Otellus
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.07.30 09:27:00 -
[1192]
Edited by: Otellus on 30/07/2008 09:27:12 nvm
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Daniarel Grey
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:44:00 -
[1193]
Against!!!
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Twixies
Black Plague.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 09:55:00 -
[1194]
I'm AGAINST this nerf
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Thomas Telford
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 10:19:00 -
[1195]
Against it. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 10:38:00 -
[1196]
Originally by: DREAMWORKS Who ever came up with this nerf-has never played this game.
I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it.
It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good.
I would have nerfed it harder tbh.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 10:40:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: DREAMWORKS Who ever came up with this nerf-has never played this game.
I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it.
It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good.
I would have nerfed it harder tbh.
I tried it. I voted against. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Otellus
Imperial Shipment
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 10:43:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: DREAMWORKS Who ever came up with this nerf-has never played this game.
I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it.
It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good.
I would have nerfed it harder tbh.
I have tried it. But probably a lot of people voting against haven't. But I bet the same goes for people voting in favour. And I also bet that I have more evidence that CCP Nozh doesn't have a ****ing clue about what he is doing than that you have to the contrary. Using a Vaga with T2 polys and a snakeset as an example of a setup 'with nothing special'?
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Mona X
Polish Task Forces C0VEN
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 10:46:00 -
[1199]
Originally by: YapYup
...heck, just title it as a Drake Boost
Well, Caldari missile boats (except Kestrel) needs a boost. :P
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TimGascoigne
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 10:52:00 -
[1200]
Edited by: TimGascoigne on 30/07/2008 10:53:36 nano ships are too easy to kill. I never fly them but I blow them up all the time in slow ships. My last five kills are against nano ships with my buffer tank hurricane.
edit: opps I forgot to get the support button fixed now
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matrix666
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:03:00 -
[1201]
Against the nerf
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Tendence
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:07:00 -
[1202]
Against
ps.:bring more stuff ships and items don`t nerv the old
|
Seren Khi
SniggWaffe
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:14:00 -
[1203]
Against. Balance it, don't change the game completely.
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GumisPLL
Famillia
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:34:00 -
[1204]
signed
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:48:00 -
[1205]
Keep it up boys, poke your corp mates to voice their opposition to this garabage and hopefully it will get retracted.
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The Pol
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:54:00 -
[1206]
Against it |
skularika
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 11:56:00 -
[1207]
Against.
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Matrixcvdalt2
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 12:10:00 -
[1208]
and me too, i hate ze nano nerf and the caldari whiners tooz
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Darep
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 12:17:00 -
[1209]
Against.
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Neo Zord
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 12:20:00 -
[1210]
Against.
|
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 12:23:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead against
go to hell CCP
You honestly think that will make them want to reverse changes and walk away like they never thought about it?
If you're that mad, you sir need to deactivate your account and take a step outside. It's a gorgeous day, the rabbits are hopping, and the children are playing...
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Blue Sassley
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 12:32:00 -
[1212]
Against
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Zarathushtra
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 12:44:00 -
[1213]
Against!
I bet they do it whatever people say.
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Eskel Trust
sex and Violence
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 13:04:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: Zarathushtra Against!
I bet they do it whatever people say.
so true
but, I vote AGAINST
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Eomar
Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 13:23:00 -
[1215]
Im all for adjustments to nanos, and all for SOME of the ideas currently being tested, but in its current format I cant agree with it ...in accordance with the prophecy |
Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 13:51:00 -
[1216]
Edited by: Zephyr Rengate on 30/07/2008 13:51:23 Support a nano nerf but not how they have done it.
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bozwold
Veto. Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:08:00 -
[1217]
Edited by: bozwold on 30/07/2008 14:08:44 against
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:12:00 -
[1218]
AGAINST definitly !
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drippy
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:15:00 -
[1219]
Edited by: drippy on 30/07/2008 14:15:39 against
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Alcononymous
More-Cowbell
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:15:00 -
[1220]
half baked ideas my opinions are my own and don't represent the corps
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Pete Stalker
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:24:00 -
[1221]
!!!!!!!!!!
There are only two types of aircrafts -- fighters and targets. |
Maeltstome
Suicidal Office Clerks
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:28:00 -
[1222]
jajaja, /signed -------
[12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF |
Ben Grim
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 14:59:00 -
[1223]
against |
Sokata
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:02:00 -
[1224]
Against.
|
Rahti Jorma
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:07:00 -
[1225]
Against
|
Ari Jack
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:08:00 -
[1226]
Edited by: Ari Jack on 30/07/2008 15:08:42 Against.
|
Mister Bones
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:21:00 -
[1227]
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:23:00 -
[1228]
Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 29/07/2008 18:49:05
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman
Originally by: Yaay my god, 300 people and their 500 alts all voting against, go figure
Think twice before speaking. You can only support the vote with one char per payed account.
and how many people in eve have more than one account.
I don't know how many players have more than one account, but what does it change ? you only have one vote per payed account.
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:31:00 -
[1229]
Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 29/07/2008 18:51:20
As for you Tri guys, Remember that time you were asked to run 1 battleship op and you revolted completely and asked that I leave the alliance.... or when Super flipped out because I asked him (not told him) to cut back on Nano, not altogether remove it from use.
Gee wonder why I asked him that, maybe this patch has something to do with it.
I don't think this is the appropriate way to wash the dirty laundry of requiem. You perfectly know, why tri members didn't join in that op. God, what am I happy to be back in TRI.
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Anton March
Skill Level Six
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:36:00 -
[1230]
/signed
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iloni atoriandra
SniggWaffe
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:39:00 -
[1231]
Against
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Lars Vegaz
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:47:00 -
[1232]
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clonkrieger
Imperium Forces Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 15:57:00 -
[1233]
AGAINST ___________________________ Returned after being absent. Updating... |
Popeye Marino
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 16:20:00 -
[1234]
Against
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Fenarid Iluminati
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 16:37:00 -
[1235]
AGAINST!
|
Cap II
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 16:40:00 -
[1236]
Against |
Sidewayzracer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:21:00 -
[1237]
the nerfs in current fashion are completly uncalled for and out of line
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Gixian
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:27:00 -
[1238]
the speculation on the upcoming nerf is ruining my profits .
also the underlying issue of completly removing a viable tanking option speed isnt about running away its about engaging
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spiderppig
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:29:00 -
[1239]
against over powering missles
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Tomic
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:30:00 -
[1240]
I support this thread. Down with the nano nerf.
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Jovian Curse
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:31:00 -
[1241]
Nano nerf is badmmmkay?
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Artyfakt
Weylan-Yutani
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:32:00 -
[1242]
I don't see why they need to remove content from the game.
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Rabid cat
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:34:00 -
[1243]
!
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Laveticus Draconis
The Illuminati.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:38:00 -
[1244]
Boo. Nano nerf is a fail idea. - Laveticus Draconis - |
Legacy Ashira
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:39:00 -
[1245]
The dev blog was complete nonsense
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S1r Minealot
Shade.
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:51:00 -
[1246]
Edited by: S1r Minealot on 30/07/2008 17:51:52 they'd better nano the nerf !
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Amaneka Swareshsana
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:54:00 -
[1247]
Against.
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Jezs
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 17:56:00 -
[1248]
just say NO to the nano nerf! As well as the web nerf although this doesnt seem to be the topic for that...
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Hexman
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 18:43:00 -
[1249]
Signed. Worst nerf ever. Not even scripts were this stupid.
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Equiluck
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 18:46:00 -
[1250]
My choice of ships doesnt really include nano-ships, but I understand how they are part of game mechanics and how competent people counter them.
NO to this absurd nerf.
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White Don
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 18:52:00 -
[1251]
/signed
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Idari Ito
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 18:53:00 -
[1252]
/signed
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Neytralniy Ya
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 18:54:00 -
[1253]
/signed
|
Evnikat
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 18:56:00 -
[1254]
/signed
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Memo Herdez
Marshmellow Shipping Company
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 19:06:00 -
[1255]
Against. Totally.
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Synapse Archae
Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 19:10:00 -
[1256]
Against.
We need a viable small-gang high-skill replacement if we're going to change speed mechanics.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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firepup82
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 19:15:00 -
[1257]
Against!
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4EPTEHKA
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 19:21:00 -
[1258]
Against!
|
Saline Ladamire
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 19:47:00 -
[1259]
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Atlanticpyro
The Space BorderLine United For 0rder
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 19:48:00 -
[1260]
Down with the nano nerf! |
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ganksalot
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 20:08:00 -
[1261]
signed |
Gegel
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 20:15:00 -
[1262]
SUPPORT THIS THREAD AGAINST NERF
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Ramanuja
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.07.30 20:18:00 -
[1263]
Against!
Balance if u please. Dont take away!
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Sorum Daemoth
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 20:35:00 -
[1264]
AGAINST!
CCP failed at nerfing the nanoes and also nerfed rapiers, webs, blasterboats, and a bunch of other shit too, there should be no nano nerf and if their should be one this isn't it.
You just got WTF EXIT ganked! |
Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.07.30 20:49:00 -
[1265]
Originally by: agent apple Again someone bends it all to suit their own purposes, this is not a simple yes or no topic.
Most respectable pvp'ers know that nano's need balancing. That consisting off brining polycarbs inline with their module counterparts and stopping cruisers getting over ~5km/s sans vaga. This does however exclude screwing over normal nano cruisers in the 3-4km/s range.
So no, like most I don't oppose balance. I do however dislike random ******ed changes and mass nerf batting.
This. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine. |
Hracky
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:11:00 -
[1266]
Against!
Yay we got 25 more pages then the for so i hope we win! :D The nanonerf will kill ALOT of ships i know there are diferent sollutions for those ships but we dont want a change CCP will loose alot of members now if this gets to the TQ server.
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Cerys Magente
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:31:00 -
[1267]
Against the proposed changes |
Cy Gal
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:35:00 -
[1268]
Against |
cats collective
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:48:00 -
[1269]
Rock/ paper/ scissors Break the scissors Paper is happy Rock is happy, until it runs out of scissors to kill Then rock is broken Paper is happy, until it runs out of rocks to kill Then paper is broken.
If CCP break their scissors, the failure cascade begins.
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JLobes
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:48:00 -
[1270]
Worst idea after the script thing AGAINST!
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Dark Intaki
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:57:00 -
[1271]
Against
Is just too much, not only make ships slower but nerf webs as well? just for trying to bring afterburners into the table? geez...
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Phoenix Lonestar
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.07.30 22:58:00 -
[1272]
Against it all the way
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Einstein MF
Clockwork Orange Ltd
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Posted - 2008.07.30 23:00:00 -
[1273]
Eventhough Im Amarr and a carebear, this is too much Is a whole Minmatar nerf, what else are the rusty buckets good for if not speed? just to make drones hit? or missiles? Nerf if you need too, but dont kill the game All in all we're just bricks on the wall! |
Mia Archer
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 23:10:00 -
[1274]
Edited by: Mia Archer on 30/07/2008 23:10:07 its true that nano's need to be nerfed and reworked but CCP has taken it way too far, instead of spending time to think up a way of balancing things around the system that already exists they would rather bash everyting with the nerf bat till its totaly unrecognizable and redo the whole thing and basicaly say screw everyoen who has invested time and isk into the current system. So Against 100% ____________________________________________
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.07.30 23:17:00 -
[1275]
Patch overnerfs so many thing it isn't funny.
Very much against.
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Cotirani
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Posted - 2008.07.30 23:21:00 -
[1276]
I am against the current changes proposed, but however I am not against a speed nerf entirely.
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Dakisha
Corp 1 Allstars The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.30 23:29:00 -
[1277]
/sign
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Jack Gilligan
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.31 00:34:00 -
[1278]
Against in it's current form.
It's too extreme, too cataclysmic. Too SOE like.
(yes that is a grave insult to CCP, to compare a move of theirs to SOE)
I'd rather see a nerf that affects the high end (cruisers going freaking 10K+) but leave reasonable fits alone (say 3-5K). These changes are going to make reasonable setups cost billions because it seems to be balanced based on people fitting crazy stuff.
I also disagree vehemently with the webifier nerf, WTF? Nerf the only thing that CURRENTLY can be used to break nanos?
The MWD change is just ******ed. A T2 MWD should be faster than a T1.. Ditto faction and officer ones...
Also, I disagree with giving warp scrams the ability to also shut off MWD's. That makes one module way too powerful. If you want to add that ability to a scram/disruptor module it should be via script so that you have to load either warp scram or MWD scram script.
Webs also should be scripted one for strength, another for longer range at the expense of strength...
--- My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance. |
Hekktor Zarkon
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.31 00:58:00 -
[1279]
Having the invitation to a Marathon race i started training, being nearly ready someone told me: 'hey dude, they shortened the distance... it's just 100m now!' I thought - 'hell s..t I need to change my training and get some spikes!'
Then - when the races finally started - the referee came: 'Hello sportsmen.. the organizers of these fine games got the audiences opinion - they better like to see WERESTLING' ...
Hello? CCP? Adjusting..., balancing, fine tuning... ok - but turning the whole thing upside down in between?
I vote NO the planned 'changes'.
-;= |
Essque
Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 01:30:00 -
[1280]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: DREAMWORKS Who ever came up with this nerf-has never played this game.
I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it.
It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good.
I would have nerfed it harder tbh.
Just out of interest, is this merely another example of your usual trolling, or indeed your honest opinion?
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xeroxgirl
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Posted - 2008.07.31 01:50:00 -
[1281]
/signed
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Whispi
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Posted - 2008.07.31 01:52:00 -
[1282]
that
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Tisni
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:35:00 -
[1283]
Edited by: Tisni on 31/07/2008 02:45:43 AGainst your taking it all away
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d3vo
The Space BorderLine United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:42:00 -
[1284]
We need a nerf but this is the wrong one. I am against! __________ \(^.^)/ |
Allard Blackheart
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:44:00 -
[1285]
the nerf of the pollcarbs/mwd reuse timer YES
warp scram killing mwds/WEB nerf/gang skill nerf NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sig starts here
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StepFam
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:47:00 -
[1286]
Edited by: StepFam on 31/07/2008 02:48:20 [size=24]HELL NO[/size]
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fisty
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:09:00 -
[1287]
against
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Rothran
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:10:00 -
[1288]
This will KILL small gang PvP. There will be NO WAY that a smaller force can engage a blob without getting annihilated. This will move from a game of skill into a game of who can make the biggest BLOB. Small gang PvP is the most rewarding experience that this game has to offer, and this patch will destroy it.
AGAINST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Slate Fistcrunch
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:22:00 -
[1289]
Too many radical changes at once. You've had many months to address the issue in which you could have changed one module at a time and gradually worked to a solution.
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Rostran Targo
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:35:00 -
[1290]
Against
C'mon CCP, there has to be another to implement this. A very large and painful kick in the balls certainly isn't the way to go.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
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Erben
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:37:00 -
[1291]
against
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blkmajik
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:41:00 -
[1292]
just say no to the nano nerf
if we want to go all nerf crazy, why not nerf things that real-life technology has already shown to be obsolete? we can use lasers to shoot down artillery and missiles, so why not let amarr take out incoming arty rounds and missiles? silly defender missiles. and we can use the super advanced technology of 'mirrors' to deflect incoming laser attacks, so why not let everyone fit mirrors over their hull to nullify laser damage? just saying :)
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Dagaon
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:00:00 -
[1293]
Against
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Damnd
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:02:00 -
[1294]
Against
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Kaila Cassels
Surreal Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:06:00 -
[1295]
Against
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Belfegorus
Surreal Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:07:00 -
[1296]
Against
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Jstewart
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:08:00 -
[1297]
about time it was done
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Surreal crafter
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:08:00 -
[1298]
Against
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P0D Master
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:10:00 -
[1299]
Against
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Sidewayzracer
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:11:00 -
[1300]
Originally by: P0D Master Against
all the guys in stain that voted should actualy hit the agree button when the post or they r not counted
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DGWabbit
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:13:00 -
[1301]
Don't make t2 ships useless =/
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Heomos Ricedi
Russian SOBR
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:20:00 -
[1302]
Against
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conKORD
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:45:00 -
[1303]
Edited by: conKORD on 31/07/2008 05:46:33 against
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K012
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 05:46:00 -
[1304]
against
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OT3Cb HAPODA
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:47:00 -
[1305]
Against
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Grey one
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:49:00 -
[1306]
against
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:50:00 -
[1307]
People, be SURE to check the "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on" box when you are making your post, or your vote won't get properly tallied.
Thank you for your "No" vote on this critical issue.
Cheers.
P.S. My vote was tallied a LONG time ago, so this post is just a reminder to all of you. Peace. *
* |
CEPA5I TEHb
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:51:00 -
[1308]
Against
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Zheka Monster
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:53:00 -
[1309]
against
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Mata Hary
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:56:00 -
[1310]
Against
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K008
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:57:00 -
[1311]
Edited by: K008 on 31/07/2008 06:00:24 Edited by: K008 on 31/07/2008 05:59:26 I just trained interceptors. Against
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Drunken Scientist
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:04:00 -
[1312]
Against
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Valery Galaxy
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:09:00 -
[1313]
Against
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Kreonny
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:15:00 -
[1314]
Edited by: Kreonny on 31/07/2008 06:14:50 Against
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Koontx
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:42:00 -
[1315]
AGAINST
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KvaNTy Troiden
SoT
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:58:00 -
[1316]
Against
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Serenity2005
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:20:00 -
[1317]
Signed
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Stan D'marco
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:21:00 -
[1318]
Signed
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blazefast
Delusions 0f Grandeur
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:21:00 -
[1319]
Against!!
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EvEIndustry
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:27:00 -
[1320]
AGAINST
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otkrivalkin
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:37:00 -
[1321]
AGAINST
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wavre
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:56:00 -
[1322]
500% from an MWD dam thats low.
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Caldrion Dosto
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:10:00 -
[1323]
Against this is bullshit.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:04:00 -
[1324]
Can we have all the posts in this thread not linked to accounts which have logged in to sisi this week removed?
Tried it all again tonight, and it is still good. There were some extensive engagement tests, and the nano ships still managed to engage and disengage just fine, they just had more reason to disengage at times.
The tests included a bubble-camp .. and it did not end up with a bunch of dead nano-ships, they pretty much all got out.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
mayke
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:07:00 -
[1325]
Against
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MissBolyai
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:08:00 -
[1326]
AGAINST
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:16:00 -
[1327]
Originally by: Essque
Originally by: Avon
I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it.
It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good.
I would have nerfed it harder tbh.
Just out of interest, is this merely another example of your usual trolling, or indeed your honest opinion?
No, it really is my honest opinion.
The only thing I don't really like is the MWD cycle time thing because I don't realy see the point - but even that I can live with.
Seriously, get in on some of the Sisi testing, the whole balance is much better than those in this thread would have you believe.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Sun Takkara
GREY COUNCIL Pure.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:32:00 -
[1328]
Against!! "What we do in life echoes in eternity" |
Alex Foradlera
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:33:00 -
[1329]
Against
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iceyreloaded
The Wild Hunt
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:47:00 -
[1330]
i am completey against this patch in its current form. more development from ccp is essential.
i support this thread 110%. time to earn ur free trip each year CSM
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mr Digger
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:49:00 -
[1331]
AGAINST
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pippan
The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:07:00 -
[1332]
Edited by: pippan on 31/07/2008 10:07:29 Found the right one :D ---- - pippan
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I'Can'Has'Hauler
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:09:00 -
[1333]
Nerf is too big imo
------------ /me the alt |
Tsia
Disorder.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:13:00 -
[1334]
AGAINST!
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Prez21
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:13:00 -
[1335]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Essque
Originally by: Avon
I very much doubt the people voting against it have actually tried it.
It isn't the drastic nerf they are making it out to be. In fact, it is pretty darn good.
I would have nerfed it harder tbh.
Just out of interest, is this merely another example of your usual trolling, or indeed your honest opinion?
No, it really is my honest opinion.
The only thing I don't really like is the MWD cycle time thing because I don't realy see the point - but even that I can live with.
Seriously, get in on some of the Sisi testing, the whole balance is much better than those in this thread would have you believe.
Well i have tested it and some parts of the change are ok such as the changes to AFs and i dont mind the changes to scrams either, but the changes to webs and speed are to much.
With the web changes every gallente blaster boat has to fit mwd, scram and web, disruptor is no longer an option because you have to be able to deactivate your opponents mwd to be able to stay in range becuase webs dont slow things down enough anymore. The problem with that though is if you are going up against a blaster boat all you need is ab, scram and web and you can dictate range easily, because you cut there mwd and will have more speed than them with the AB and the web wont slow you down enough to keep you in blaster range that long.
Also with the changes missiles get a massive boost over turrets, one situation i noticed was with drones, drones when webbed at close range are still quick enough to get under your tracking, ive got virtualy max gunnery skills, and when flying an astarte, i was being attacked my 10 hammerheads t2, seen as they was the only things doing dmg to me i decided to try and kll them, but i found even when webbed they still manage to orbit me at close range and make it virtualy impossible to kill them, which isnt a problem for missile ships.
Also the changes seem to cater towards numbers > skill, alliances who can put out large numbers with high skilled pilots will like these changes, but smaller alliances who rely on hit and runs and picking off large blobs will suffer, missile spam on sisi is the i-win at the min, this was evident when i flew into the cruisers FFA and just watched cerbs ripping everything apart from whatever range they wanted.
Vagas seem pathetic on the test server, ive soloed 2 in my jag and astarte, perhaps part of it was down to bad piloting, but there has been other instances where all ship types are ripping vagas apart easily. Curses are ok 1v1 or if you can dictate range, but they are awfuly slow now and cant tank at all and rapiers and huginns were getting ripped apart.
Overall i think the changes to speed is too much, you say they are broken becuase missiles and drones cant hit them, but if missiles can hit them doesnt that mean that missiles are the superior weapon choice becuase they can do everything? The web changes is way to harsh and realy is a big change in gameplay, maybe knock it down 10% but the current change is way to much. The scram change offers a new style of play and is another way to counter nanos, but becomes almost a must fit module combined with the other changes which is somthing CCP say they dont want. Speed nerf and web nerfs need throwing out and maybe just reducing speed by alittle is all the is needed and the scram boosts along with the boosts to AFs are the only things needed to be introduced.
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Loeb Brin
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:14:00 -
[1336]
Holy batman wall of text u got there.
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Sempaia Tenda
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:19:00 -
[1337]
Edited by: Sempaia Tenda on 31/07/2008 10:20:19 i don't like this plan:
- it is not structured: eventhough the objective is really clear and well stated, the plan doesn't follow a structured path from the objective to solutions, but simply jumps from the objective to solutions. - it is not focused: it seems to me like a bunch of ideas thrown there for the only reason that they can imply some changes to speed. Indeed the plan affects too many different things, nerfing even webifiers that is the natural counter of nanos.
Come on CCP, this is the result of a coffe-break brainstorming. i know you can do better than this.
I'm AGAINST this specific plan of nerfing nanos, while i'm pro a smart way to avoid reaching too fast speed.
ST
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Xile Tsia
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:23:00 -
[1338]
Aaaaaaagainst.
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YonaTron
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:23:00 -
[1339]
I am against it
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Grande Mulo
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:27:00 -
[1340]
AGAINST
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Neve Moritra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:37:00 -
[1341]
Against
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Uomonero
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:37:00 -
[1342]
i'm against it.
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Lil Cutie
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:40:00 -
[1343]
Against
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:55:00 -
[1344]
Against.
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Quarios Cha
Quantar Swords
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:01:00 -
[1345]
Especially against gimping the blasterships!
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AlwierGal
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:02:00 -
[1346]
Against
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Chimii Lecto
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:12:00 -
[1347]
I like this thread.
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R3T4RD
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:15:00 -
[1348]
Who cares about nanos? DON*T KILL BLASTERBOATS!!
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Sky Grunthor
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:24:00 -
[1349]
against the nano nerf in the current form. Search: Sky Grunthor |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:30:00 -
[1350]
Originally by: Prez21 snip well thought out reply
We tried blaster ships *a lot*, and if anything they are better than before, so I am not sure where you are comming from on that. I was shooting drones no problem either .. but if your set-up makes that hard, use your drones on their drones.
I don't understand your claim that some ships can't tank at all either. There are some awesome tank fits for some of those ships, but people are trying to use them how they used to, and then moaning it doesn't work.
Missiles need adjusting a bit (not much though, a small tweak on explosion velocity should do it), I agree. However, that does not make the changes bad in general.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
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Jillien Rutgers
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:46:00 -
[1351]
/vote against the nerf
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Ondine Sapporo
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:57:00 -
[1352]
Vote against the nano nerf
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Namaco
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:29:00 -
[1353]
againt
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RookieEG
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:31:00 -
[1354]
against |
dreamforce
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:35:00 -
[1355]
Against!
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THRASHER23
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:40:00 -
[1356]
Against! For death and glory
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Fent
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:40:00 -
[1357]
Against
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Stork DK
The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:45:00 -
[1358]
F*ck you CCP!
Making Raven one of the lightest Battleships and nerfing the minmatar BS further into uselessness is just f*cking stupid-
Check the new stats. ___________
Originally by: CCP Nozh I see you'r nano.... And i TAKE IT!!
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junaru
LDK Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:58:00 -
[1359]
Support
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Meta Pyrr
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:59:00 -
[1360]
Against!
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Neosteve
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Posted - 2008.07.31 13:21:00 -
[1361]
Against
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Big Zulu
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 13:54:00 -
[1362]
Save solopvp! _________
I has bree.. |
JarJarBinks01
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Posted - 2008.07.31 13:59:00 -
[1363]
Against!
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Uma2U
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:01:00 -
[1364]
Against
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Daymi Mur
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:01:00 -
[1365]
Against!
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Aru'aban
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:01:00 -
[1366]
Against
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Jack Rush
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:02:00 -
[1367]
Against
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Daymio
Caldari Research and Development Shop
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:05:00 -
[1368]
Against!
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HULIGANKO
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:07:00 -
[1369]
Against!
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Liman Rus
Stella Polaris.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:23:00 -
[1370]
Against. save solo
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:34:00 -
[1371]
poasting in the loser thread
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Dihania
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:40:00 -
[1372]
gay
[hrhr]
Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
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Tanatloc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:47:00 -
[1373]
against
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Howen
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:03:00 -
[1374]
Against most stupid nerf ever galaxy should evolve not degrade
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FiberFly
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:09:00 -
[1375]
Against
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Einar Matveinen
Paladines N E X O
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:39:00 -
[1376]
I'm AGAINST the speed nerf
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Cassius Longinus
Darkwave Technologies Pure.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:42:00 -
[1377]
The changes on Sisi simply are too aggressive... other simpler changes could achieve the more important corrections without causing so much collateral nerf. |
NNeoNN
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:42:00 -
[1378]
Against.
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Namaco
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:42:00 -
[1379]
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Namaco
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:43:00 -
[1380]
ahora creo que si :)
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Toguri Iva
Paladines N E X O
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:44:00 -
[1381]
I'm AGAINST the speed nerf
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Lady Xuhn
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 15:45:00 -
[1382]
Against.
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NeVeH
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:52:00 -
[1383]
Against
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i hunt
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:53:00 -
[1384]
Against
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trap
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:55:00 -
[1385]
Against
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Zillaby Trypp
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:56:00 -
[1386]
100% against.
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Amarr Citizen2115641
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 15:56:00 -
[1387]
Against
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Slugworth Proxy
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 15:58:00 -
[1388]
Against
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Pimp Seoh
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 16:01:00 -
[1389]
Against
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Navigaytion
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 16:06:00 -
[1390]
against! Worst idea for a nerf ever
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Navigaytion
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:08:00 -
[1391]
Agaisnt again , forgot to support topic :s
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Y Mahimus
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:41:00 -
[1392]
AGAINST!
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Jurimaru
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 16:47:00 -
[1393]
Against changing nano in that way. |
Flameproof
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:51:00 -
[1394]
I'm for CCP's willing to improve this awesome game, I'm willing to express my attitude to "nerf"\changes as "Against". |
Shopster
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 16:54:00 -
[1395]
Being a newbie means your passion to test those pretty ships everybody already fly.
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Riddik1989
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 16:57:00 -
[1396]
Against!
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Fortune Mitford
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:48:00 -
[1397]
Edited by: Fortune Mitford on 31/07/2008 18:49:20 against
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parthon
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:49:00 -
[1398]
ha ha
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Promethian child
VITOC
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 18:58:00 -
[1399]
100%
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Nervo
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:01:00 -
[1400]
Against!
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DeadDrakon
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:19:00 -
[1401]
against
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:54:00 -
[1402]
Even if this nerf made game balance better (which I don't think), the cost of customer dissatisfaction is too high.
This nerf does more to change the style of EVE PvP than to adjust balance in EVE PvP. We don't want to play a different space game, we want to play THIS space game, that's why we are here.
The speed balance can be adjusted without creating a New Game Experience for EVE
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SERZHant T
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:17:00 -
[1403]
against, it's better to boost missiles a bit
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B4ckst4B
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:21:00 -
[1404]
signed!
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Ribeye Jaksom
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:35:00 -
[1405]
against
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torpedan
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Posted - 2008.07.31 21:46:00 -
[1406]
Fully against. |
Alchemos
Middle School Comedy Club
|
Posted - 2008.07.31 22:16:00 -
[1407]
More against the web nerf.
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Caldur Ryndal
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 22:46:00 -
[1408]
This nerf is something I'd expect from SWG devs.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 23:01:00 -
[1409]
Originally by: Ephemeron Even if this nerf made game balance better (which I don't think), the cost of customer dissatisfaction is too high.
This nerf does more to change the style of EVE PvP than to adjust balance in EVE PvP. We don't want to play a different space game, we want to play THIS space game, that's why we are here.
The speed balance can be adjusted without creating a New Game Experience for EVE
There have been many much bigger changes than this in the past. Eve survived, and thrived.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
RuhRoh
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 23:08:00 -
[1410]
AGAINST "NANO" NERF
Too broad of a "fix", its like going after a fly on the wall with a trebucet.
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Hareeln
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 23:13:00 -
[1411]
against |
Freighter Jjoe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:36:00 -
[1412]
I think I will vote with my accounts (against the nerf)
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Elliott Manchild
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:09:00 -
[1413]
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:41:00 -
[1414]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Ephemeron Even if this nerf made game balance better (which I don't think), the cost of customer dissatisfaction is too high.
This nerf does more to change the style of EVE PvP than to adjust balance in EVE PvP. We don't want to play a different space game, we want to play THIS space game, that's why we are here.
The speed balance can be adjusted without creating a New Game Experience for EVE
There have been many much bigger changes than this in the past. Eve survived, and thrived.
I remember some pretty big changes in very early stages of EVE, which is to be expected as everything was new and felt like beta testing a product.
But since EVE has matured, I can't think of any patch that had more game-altering changes than the one proposed here.
All the previous nano nerfs are nothing compared to this, because none of them made speed tactics obsolete.
Dual MWD Raven nerf was kind of big, but again it was a very targeted change, it doesn't quite match the scale of current nerf.
The 50% hp buff was big, effected everybody - it killed sniper Eagle as viable pvp ship. Effected other snipers negatively but sniping didn't die, it still plays key role in fleet warfare. HP buff also made small gang pvp a little tougher, it encouraged blobbing just a little more. But not enough to kill roaming.
Soon after the HP nerf, with introduction of t2 cruisers in game, we started seeing development of modern roaming PvP - speed tactics.
There were many nerfs, I'll admit, they altered EVE PvP focus one way or another. But nothing that compares to this. We are going for a total break down half the game, with new system in its place. It's not evolution of the PvP, it's a replacement of one system with another.
Fleet wars won't be effected much, aside from more titan DDD deaths due to slower accelerating bs. But small scale pvp is completely different.
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Weeeer
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Posted - 2008.08.01 02:31:00 -
[1415]
AGAINST
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Stahlfalke
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Posted - 2008.08.01 03:56:00 -
[1416]
/against!
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Pimparella
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Posted - 2008.08.01 03:58:00 -
[1417]
/against
dont fu ck this game up please :(
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morteyfarus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 03:59:00 -
[1418]
no nanonerf!
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Rocket Ajax
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:00:00 -
[1419]
AGAINST! Changes as they are now, are unacceptable. They break far more than they fix. Ludicrous speed is acheivable only by very specialized, expensive ships. Start with those very specialized set ups and work from there.
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Irongut
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:06:00 -
[1420]
I can see the need to fix some speed issues but the currently proposed changes are too many and too much. Also whichever dev said "we need to reduce speeds, let's make webs less effective" needs to be put on coffee making duty, permanently.
-
The future is Black. Brace for Impact! |
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Rezaa
Pandemonium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:26:00 -
[1421]
Signed NO NERF!!
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TempSniper
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:28:00 -
[1422]
support that I am against the nano nerf
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Shimali Softpaws
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:41:00 -
[1423]
against
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Shimali Softpaws
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:42:00 -
[1424]
err against
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Rezaa
Pandemonium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:44:00 -
[1425]
OOPS box checked this time
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Dobriy Ya
Gallente Brotherhood.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 04:44:00 -
[1426]
/signed
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Stenley Twiddle
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Posted - 2008.08.01 05:46:00 -
[1427]
signed
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Ar Rimal
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Posted - 2008.08.01 05:51:00 -
[1428]
signed
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.08.01 06:00:00 -
[1429]
People, be SURE to check the "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on" box when you are making your post, or your vote won't get properly tallied.
Thank you for your "No" vote on this critical issue.
Cheers.
P.S. My vote was tallied a LONG time ago, so this post is just a reminder to all of you. Peace. *
* |
The Hardman
Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:17:00 -
[1430]
not such a great nerf, sonme nerf woudl be ok
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nemure
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:41:00 -
[1431]
Against
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Rutger Centemus
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:00:00 -
[1432]
Edited by: Rutger Centemus on 01/08/2008 07:59:54 I would be in favor of maybe 'rebalancing' nano's, though (imho) there not that big a problem.
I am, however, against the 'let's tie a blindfold, whack the pinata with a nerfbat and see what happens' - approach CCP seems intend on following. It just changes to many things at once, seemingly without proper consideration of the results.
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Russland
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:20:00 -
[1433]
Against
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Bhagavad Gita
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:45:00 -
[1434]
/against The most fun I've had since lowsec tbh. It's a great way to roam, and strategy rules the battlefield again, rather than just blobin. Of course you still have nano blobs, but things seem to really be in balance now to where skill matters again. There are already far too many ships that simply aren't usable now, and this is just going to toss even more into the pile.
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Agent OO1
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:50:00 -
[1435]
Against nano nerf
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Mauop KocMoca
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:49:00 -
[1436]
Against
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JC X
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:49:00 -
[1437]
Signed
If this goes ahead... we are going to loose a great aspect of eve combat, Countering Nanos has never been a problem, it forced people to adapt and use diffrent fits. If CCP gives in to the whiners ill be pretty disapointed.
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Roy Batty68
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:21:00 -
[1438]
This isn't a nerf. This is a redesign. It is more likely to break far more than it fixes.
I think "ludicrous" speeds need to be fixed. I think this is the wrong way to do it.
Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:29:00 -
[1439]
This isnt a nerf its completely breaking something that was working fine.
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Sago Tuc
Gallente Warriors tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:34:00 -
[1440]
/me against
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subbz2k
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:50:00 -
[1441]
against with all my 3 chars! theres no need for a nerf that masse
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Roulle
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:49:00 -
[1442]
against.
Pve = missiles, pvp = missiles? so what u want keep for matars?
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Skilzo
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:43:00 -
[1443]
AGAINST
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Blade Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:48:00 -
[1444]
Against
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Klayton Carc
PsyCorp
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Posted - 2008.08.01 14:26:00 -
[1445]
against |
ZulM
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:49:00 -
[1446]
AGAINST
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kosh121
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:51:00 -
[1447]
Signed
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:31:00 -
[1448]
People, be SURE to check the "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on" box when you are making your post, or your vote won't get properly tallied.
Thank you for your "No" vote on this critical issue.
Cheers.
P.S. My vote was tallied a LONG time ago, so this post is just a reminder to all of you. Peace. *
* |
Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:36:00 -
[1449]
Devs need to focus on fixing the stuff that is already broken before they go are start breaking other stuff.
Recoding the application to fix/offset the prevalent and increasing LAG and DESYNC should be the #1 Dev priority and not just a priority.
They can worry about balancing the game features when it works properly.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Zoneh
Mizuro Cybon Said NO
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:44:00 -
[1450]
Edited by: Zoneh on 01/08/2008 17:44:48 AGAINST the nano nerf ___________________
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Cat Gilligan
Blair Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:45:00 -
[1451]
I support a nano nerf, but this is too extreme, too huge, and too fast.
CCP shouldn't be making huge sudden changes to gameplay mechanics. Look where that got SOE and SWG.
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:07:00 -
[1452]
moar votes!
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
Corylus A'Villain
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:21:00 -
[1453]
Not totally against but this nerf is too overwhelming. Killing t2 ships in favor of another classes is not a solution. I always though that nerf supposed to bring ballance. Delay this patch. Make more testing. Use feedback from actual testers on Singularity.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:32:00 -
[1454]
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Tetsuo Hourai
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:50:00 -
[1455]
Supported, i want the game to stay as is, i encounter too few nanos for this to be an issue for me and when i do, generally we beat them with other counters. if speed need be nerfed, come up with another option, do not slow eve down as a whole to nerf 3 or 4 ships.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:04:00 -
[1456]
It's an interesting idea for a rebalancing but way too drastic with effects that go beyond affecting just the targeted so-called "broken" gameplay mechs.
I would like to see many of these changes introduced, but one at a time so to speak, so that their real TQ effects can be evaluated without breaking down major areas of gameplay for a huge amount of people to adress a type of setup that is indeed eminently counterable...
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Spoonarithm
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:23:00 -
[1457]
:)
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Brent Elder
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:25:00 -
[1458]
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Kiarah
Janus Pilot Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:09:00 -
[1459]
Edited by: Kiarah on 01/08/2008 20:09:45 Bad nerf idea. Go back and think harder.
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Xeno Xandovar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:24:00 -
[1460]
Againts.
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Pious Rage
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:46:00 -
[1461]
Just Say NO To The Nano Nerf |
Mabe Odora
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:50:00 -
[1462]
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solarwinds
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 21:38:00 -
[1463]
AGAINST
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 21:39:00 -
[1464]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
You have to keep in mind that this issue is so big that it goes beyond the quest for better game balance. This issue is very much about the conflict of playstyles.
You should be aware that it is possible to change a game in such a way as to make every ship balanced, yet not fun to play. For people whose ability to enjoy this game is at stake, "testing on SiSi" isn't going to do anything.
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Rachel Melach
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Posted - 2008.08.01 21:57:00 -
[1465]
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The Deceiver
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:01:00 -
[1466]
Edited by: The Deceiver on 01/08/2008 22:02:59 against
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Squeegy
|
Posted - 2008.08.01 22:16:00 -
[1467]
against
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Ronald Wagonwang
|
Posted - 2008.08.01 22:18:00 -
[1468]
Against this terrible nerf
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:35:00 -
[1469]
This is a terrible nerf when taken as a whole. I am against it.
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pompafric
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:35:00 -
[1470]
Against the nanonerf definately
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Tadehiro
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:37:00 -
[1471]
Edited by: Tadehiro on 01/08/2008 22:38:05 AGAINST!
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Nephtalius
|
Posted - 2008.08.01 22:39:00 -
[1472]
Against the speed nerf
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Ituralde
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:09:00 -
[1473]
These ideas bring EVE in the wrong direction.
_____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
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Nemesor
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:09:00 -
[1474]
Ummm. See previous posts.
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Tyzzara
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:10:00 -
[1475]
I am all for changing the game. However, we need to implement changes that promote small gang warfare as much as they do large fleet battles. FW is an excellent start but they could do more with future nerfs and other modifications. Also each race is supposed to have different strengths and weaknesses. That is the point. They are not supposed to be so balanced as to be exactly the same.
Props to CCP for constant innovation and keeping pace but come up with something that does not hinder small gang style warfare to this extent.
I think some of the changes are warranted but don't kill small gang abilities to fight the blob. Leave us some kind of option other than blobbing up right along with them.
Against for these reasons.
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Princess 02
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:31:00 -
[1476]
NO SUPPORT!!!
This is a typical example why DEMOCRACY can be a joke... hence NOT the BEST way of doing things...
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Jonny Damordred
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:51:00 -
[1477]
A vote against the nerf is a vote for small-gang pvp. Down with the blob.
Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:04:00 -
[1478]
Originally by: Jonny Damordred A vote against the nerf is a vote for small-gang pvp. Down with the blob.
Cheers, Jonny D.
What this brilliant man has said. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Xaiah Darlis
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:07:00 -
[1479]
And of course, I agree as well.
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DasDizzy
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:30:00 -
[1480]
Adapt or die you ****tards [/sig start] Due to popular request i have now added a thing to show where my sig starts
In federate gallente, armor tanks YOU [sig end]
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:41:00 -
[1481]
Originally by: DasDizzy Adapt or die you ****tards
- Brought you by people who failed to adapt to nanos
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BlackMoon Thrawn
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.02 01:53:00 -
[1482]
While I support a nerf of polycarbs, snakes and a stacking penalty on all speed mods I oppose everything else being implemented. If some minor tweaks don't solve the problem revisit it a couple months down the road.
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Jim Linger
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 02:28:00 -
[1483]
CPP putting their pistol in their mouth again.
Make the right choice.
i'm not an alt i just post like one |
evilphoenix
3vil Industries Efferus Vehemens Inasnum Latrocinium
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Posted - 2008.08.02 02:30:00 -
[1484]
I disagree with the nerf. --------
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Insertclevernamehere
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 02:38:00 -
[1485]
S
W
G
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Pheonix Kanan
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 02:48:00 -
[1486]
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: DasDizzy Adapt or die you ****tards
- Brought you by people who failed to adapt to nanos
TRUTH! |
BobMoo22
Radically Awesome People Eaters
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:26:00 -
[1487]
/signed
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Yorku
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 03:30:00 -
[1488]
I say the nano nerf should not happpen. It's only planned because people complain about how nano ships are overpowered. After all, that is bull. They are not overpowered, people just cant adapt to how people fit their ships. Ok - if you spend a billion isk on faction fitting of a nano ship and all your skills are maxed to 5, and you have a gang with perfect nano bonuses, then you are nearly untouchable. But I think in that case you deserve to live anyways. Webs exist in the game for a reason. (This also means the web nerf would not work.) The nerf needs to be revised.
/signed
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.08.02 05:35:00 -
[1489]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
This. Get to it people. Give the devs in game examples of why all of these changes are a bad thing or they are going to blatently ignore popular demand like always. I, for one, am doing my part, have you done yours gentle reader?
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Molicious
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 05:58:00 -
[1490]
AGAINST THE NERF!!!
I was right, once they did the testing on sisi they needed to nerf missiles again cus people whined, and probably going to look at ecm and neuts again. when is it going to stop???? OH NO I DIED pls make pvp damage 1/5 of pve damage like wow!!!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
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TripleDistilled Pownage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:55:00 -
[1491]
Edited by: TripleDistilled Pownage on 02/08/2008 08:03:01 think before you act ccp, nerfing nano should be done EXTREMELY CAREFULLY, one thing at a time. your proposing to much to fast, as many ppl have said already do one or 2 changes, see how it goes, and proceed from there. and seriously, 5 hours? 5 whole hours you thought about this and you release that blog? dont they see the rammifications of even the slightest nerf to nano? pull your heads out of your asses and look around. **** im not even against a nano nerf, having bs's fly around at 4-5km/s is ludicurous but you need not destroy nano'ing as a tactic because some people have found a loophole in a system YOU designed. your system needs some fine tunning, maybe having mass reduction work on an exponential scale, meaning the heavier the ship is, it is exponentially harder to make is go faster by reducing its mass, thats just my opinion
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Jita Johnny
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Posted - 2008.08.02 08:10:00 -
[1492]
Quite possibly the worst set of proposed changes I have ever seen from CCP. |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:14:00 -
[1493]
No Nerf!
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Tar Sonn
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 11:20:00 -
[1494]
Against
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chopsypaul
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 11:22:00 -
[1495]
No to nano nerf
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Darc Kaahar
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:54:00 -
[1496]
Edited by: Darc Kaahar on 02/08/2008 11:54:04
Originally by: Xaiah Darlis And of course, I agree as well.
I agree with you. I love you.
Against o7 o7 o7
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Karentaki
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:45:00 -
[1497]
Originally by: Jonny Damordred A vote against the nerf is a vote for small-gang pvp. Down with the blob.
Cheers, Jonny D.
QFT However, now you are just reading my signature... Or are you...
========= Sporks FTW |
Callie Nefarious
Atomic Battle Penguins The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:55:00 -
[1498]
We dont need that kind of nerfs. /signed
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Pheleus
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:06:00 -
[1499]
As much as i support this topic CCP will just do whatever they want so it is really not that worth while.
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Gregorius Decimus
Caldari Unseen Chimera The Unseen Company
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 13:09:00 -
[1500]
Definitively against!
-=Perfect Dream=- |
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D Martyr
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:54:00 -
[1501]
Just, Don't.
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Boris Butterfield
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.02 14:18:00 -
[1502]
Edited by: Boris Butterfield on 02/08/2008 14:21:59 Just to annoy my corp members. I really dont want to go back to bs being the only cost effective ships to pvp in again, but I can I guess.
Edit: And if the changes are reverted I say keep the scram changes to effect MWD just for more strategy and give gal recons a bit of a side boost. |
Diana Dettmar
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Posted - 2008.08.02 14:51:00 -
[1503]
Until I see some credible evidence that 'guerilla warfare remains viable' I vote against this nerf. Right now it looks like the only viable option is to bring a bigger blob if you want to take on an established 0.0 alliance in their own territory. Anything else is simply going to die to the blob that gets jump-bridged in behind them after a few minutes of roaming.
By all means rebalance polycarbons and snakes, but the changes currently on Sisi will just push Eve further towards being all about big fat boring lagged-out blobs.
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Evolyze
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.08.02 15:13:00 -
[1504]
Support for this i like killing paper tigers
Wut?
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2008.08.02 17:01:00 -
[1505]
If the nano nerf goes through the future of pvp in eve is tank and spank. **** that.
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Dynamic Man
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 17:10:00 -
[1506]
Heavy handed balancing. Try things a little at a time.
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Dyntheos
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 18:03:00 -
[1507]
Supporting this thread against the nanonerf.
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Voltmodder
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 18:23:00 -
[1508]
Against
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Ander
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.02 18:24:00 -
[1509]
Screw the "FOR nerf" crew.
EVE PIRATE
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Maniag
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 18:26:00 -
[1510]
Against
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Killerinsilence
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Posted - 2008.08.02 18:29:00 -
[1511]
Against
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Gabbot
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 18:38:00 -
[1512]
This
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CardboardSword42
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.02 18:56:00 -
[1513]
Doubt this'll do much but it's worth a shot
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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gankathon
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Posted - 2008.08.02 19:12:00 -
[1514]
Edited by: gankathon on 02/08/2008 19:11:58 i agree i doubt ccp will listen to the masses, but worth a try
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.02 19:13:00 -
[1515]
speed needs a nerf - this isnt it - putting the gist back into logistics |
Anubis Hatak
OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL
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Posted - 2008.08.02 20:32:00 -
[1516]
Against... leave my ceptors alone
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 21:03:00 -
[1517]
Edited by: Alpha Prime on 02/08/2008 21:04:03
/Against.
This is just a cheap & easy way to nerf the Nanoships.
/Edit: I really dislike nanoships and everything they stand for. But this is still not the correct way to solve this issue.
There is no price on true lojalty
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Seraph Cohen
Eve University
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 21:58:00 -
[1518]
signed - In hull integrity I trust - |
Thamuzz
Nexus Consortium
|
Posted - 2008.08.02 22:07:00 -
[1519]
Against
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leboe
The Aftermath.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 23:08:00 -
[1520]
I have died to many nanos in the past. But i respected them like hell everytime.
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.08.02 23:25:00 -
[1521]
After 2 years in Eve, and not a nano'er... I'm finally ready to stop subscribing for anymore pointless training
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.02 23:56:00 -
[1522]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
Interested to hear your experience on this?
In the tests I have been invloved with the nano-gangs could still pretty much disengage with impunity if they so wished, but had less of an advantage if they decided to engage.
I think there is still some room for tweaking things, but actually things seem to mesh together better than you would think from reading the devblog.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 00:08:00 -
[1523]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
Interested to hear your experience on this?
In the tests I have been invloved with the nano-gangs could still pretty much disengage with impunity if they so wished, but had less of an advantage if they decided to engage.
I think there is still some room for tweaking things, but actually things seem to mesh together better than you would think from reading the devblog.
i tried using nano curse, ishtar, and vaga on test: curse and ishtar died incredibly fast against anything with missiles, vaga lasted longer but still died fairly quick, definitly too quick to do any real damage
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
Li Ter
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Posted - 2008.08.03 00:32:00 -
[1524]
Definatly against this "nano" nerf
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Carebear Trader
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Posted - 2008.08.03 00:33:00 -
[1525]
Originally by: Red Thunder
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
Interested to hear your experience on this?
In the tests I have been invloved with the nano-gangs could still pretty much disengage with impunity if they so wished, but had less of an advantage if they decided to engage.
I think there is still some room for tweaking things, but actually things seem to mesh together better than you would think from reading the devblog.
i tried using nano curse, ishtar, and vaga on test: curse and ishtar died incredibly fast against anything with missiles, vaga lasted longer but still died fairly quick, definitly too quick to do any real damage
Good, about time the elitist pvpers have to replace t2 ship losses on a regular basis rather than get easy ganks. I hope ccp nerf pvp further in future patches and cater for the long suffering silent majority of eve and buff up pve in many areas.
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Telender
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.03 01:46:00 -
[1526]
I am all FOR a NANO nerf but these changes go way, way, way beyond that. Please don't do this. Not as specced out on Sisi anyway.
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TripleDistilled Pownage
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Posted - 2008.08.03 04:10:00 -
[1527]
people please go on sisi and see the diffrence. a vaga can reach just under 3km/s WITHOUT I REPEAT WITHOUT SNAKES. all is not lost for the nano. 3km/s coupled with a decent passive shield tank will make for a decent ship, not the beast it was before but still a useful vessel. balancing is required and i think this just might work, nano gangs can still break through gate camps with minimal losses, but now its not suicidal to go against a nano gang with no-nano ships
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Tetsuo Hourai
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Posted - 2008.08.03 04:32:00 -
[1528]
Edited by: Tetsuo Hourai on 03/08/2008 04:32:55 Edited by: Tetsuo Hourai on 03/08/2008 04:32:03
Originally by: Alpha Prime Edited by: Alpha Prime on 02/08/2008 21:04:03 I really dislike nanoships and everything they stand for. But this is still not the correct way to solve this issue.
Same here; nerfing EVE to nerf nanos is wrong wrong wrong, change as little as possible to knock the nanos down a peg, don't change the whole damned game.
/signed again and to remind people once more, a large stacking penalty boost is in order, with changes to min and max speeds for ships like the vaga and (perceived) too fast ships, not this insane, blaster boat killing, minmatar slaughtering, MWD demolishing nerf bat with spikes. Thats all it takes is some small changes to specific things, which narrows mistakes even further. CCP is bringing a sledge hammer to attempt a brain surgery.
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Krohnan
Minmatar Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2008.08.03 04:50:00 -
[1529]
Edited by: Krohnan on 03/08/2008 04:51:05 Well with CCP giving us its latest balancing, i feel if i continue playing i will be reduced to hog tying my enemies only going 1m/s while chucking rocks out my cokpit windsheild
Firmly AGAINST P00PY! \o/ |
Romulus Silvia
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.03 05:33:00 -
[1530]
i dont like this nano nerf at all... but i do like the added abilities of a scrambler.
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Incip
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Posted - 2008.08.03 07:56:00 -
[1531]
CCP proves yet again they have no clue how to take small steps to a greater good.
Instead they blanket nerf a race into uselessness.
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Violinier
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Posted - 2008.08.03 08:36:00 -
[1532]
I don't really "nano", I fit a MWD to my blaster boats, some istabs, overdrives depending on what I am doing. I can see how speed needs to be altered to fix issues with the ships that lie 3 standard deviations out of the mean but hell, this breaks too many things. Blaster boats are gonna suck now, Missle boats are getting a major boost.... it is just too much. I'm not sure how interceptors will do their job now without being flying coffins.
I vote hell no. |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.03 08:37:00 -
[1533]
Against the changes.
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Ferbin Holse
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Posted - 2008.08.03 09:33:00 -
[1534]
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Idara
Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.03 09:43:00 -
[1535]
Against. ---
in EVE - Idara |
Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2008.08.03 09:50:00 -
[1536]
Definitely Against as they stand on sisi -- this is my sig. |
PewPewLePewPew
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Posted - 2008.08.03 09:52:00 -
[1537]
Edited by: PewPewLePewPew on 03/08/2008 09:52:11
Originally by: Red Thunder
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue counts as the most popular public issue for the coming August 3rd meeting so we will be discussing it. I've certainly done some testing myself on SISI and I'd advise as many people as possible to do that too. Go there, form up nano gangs and anti nano gangs and see if its possible now for speed to escape 0.0 bubble gamps. Make sure the BH's and devs get to see for themselves what happens. Basically - having a huge ass thread like this is good for highlighting the issue and now thats certainly been done - but its now time to get testing on SISI and coming up with some specific proposals for how to improve the changes suggested in the devblog.
Interested to hear your experience on this?
In the tests I have been invloved with the nano-gangs could still pretty much disengage with impunity if they so wished, but had less of an advantage if they decided to engage.
I think there is still some room for tweaking things, but actually things seem to mesh together better than you would think from reading the devblog.
i tried using nano curse, ishtar, and vaga on test: curse and ishtar died incredibly fast against anything with missiles, vaga lasted longer but still died fairly quick, definitly too quick to do any real damage
I couldn't hit a vaga for shit on the test server yesterday, well I could hit him but it was always for less then 25 damage with cruise's.
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Biswen
My Small Personal Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.03 10:48:00 -
[1538]
AGAINST ! ! !
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Sinder Ohm
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 10:52:00 -
[1539]
Against the change! Minmatar ships will become redundant since thier gurilla warefare abilty will hardly make a difference especially the vaga. |
Mad Mackem
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.08.03 10:55:00 -
[1540]
Against
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Kire Nosslrak
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:04:00 -
[1541]
dont nerf!!
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Karazack
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:12:00 -
[1542]
against
it is way over the top in its current form, the reasoning behind it is flawed and in the end all it will really do is cater to blobbing
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mirem
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:13:00 -
[1543]
against
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Theodorovik
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:14:00 -
[1544]
Against
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:28:00 -
[1545]
Totally against, ccp are destroying not only the viability on interceptors but they are destroying blaster ships and making missile ships far too overpowered.
Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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T'savong Lah
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:48:00 -
[1546]
AGAINST!!!
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Terra Mikael
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:57:00 -
[1547]
Jesus, with that web nerf, blaster boats and plated ships are screwed. that's just idiotic. this would take that last bit of solo pvp that there was in this game. I vote against this stupid nerf because it nerfs everything.
_________________________________________________ Ninja Looter, Ninja Salvager, And High sec suicide Ganker - Making high-sec feel like low-sec, not for ISK, but for LuLz. |
Ryan Coolness
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:04:00 -
[1548]
Against
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Slave 775
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:23:00 -
[1549]
No quarter to the whiners !
EVE ONLINE Adapt or die ? more like: go and whine on the ForumsÖ |
Sej Jamira
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:42:00 -
[1550]
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Tekilsun
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:43:00 -
[1551]
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Stizz
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:43:00 -
[1552]
omfg... AGAINST !!!11 |
K3nsh1ro
Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:57:00 -
[1553]
AGAINST
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Erinie
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Posted - 2008.08.03 12:58:00 -
[1554]
Against ''In the beginning there was nothing, and then, even THAT exploded!'' |
Raather
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Posted - 2008.08.03 13:25:00 -
[1555]
Against
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Terra Mikael
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.03 13:42:00 -
[1556]
50% speed reduction on webs. screw that. plus they are nerfing afterburners. WTF do afterburners have to do with nano-fa ggoty?
In a word, ******ed.
_________________________________________________ Ninja Looter, Ninja Salvager, And High sec suicide Ganker - Making high-sec feel like low-sec, not for ISK, but for LuLz. |
Daelan Lok'errt
SoT
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Posted - 2008.08.03 14:28:00 -
[1557]
Originally by: PewPewLePewPew Edited by: PewPewLePewPew on 03/08/2008 09:52:11 I couldn't hit a vaga for shit on the test server yesterday, well I could hit him but it was always for less then 25 damage with cruise's.
Well it was obviously MWDing so tell me, for how much was it hitting you? Would 0 be about right?
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Vtoc
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Posted - 2008.08.03 14:49:00 -
[1558]
NO TO THIS RIDICULOUS NERF !!!
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Shivaro Zik
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Posted - 2008.08.03 15:40:00 -
[1559]
Against the changes as it now on test.
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Tyler
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.08.03 16:16:00 -
[1560]
AGAINST!
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Ebony Rider
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Posted - 2008.08.03 16:29:00 -
[1561]
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Meridius Dex
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.03 16:46:00 -
[1562]
Hilarious. Look at all the shiny PL and Tri alts! Keep sending out those alliance-wide evemails, I know you can do it!
-- Meridius Dex --
Amarr = EVE on Hard setting |
Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 17:14:00 -
[1563]
Hilarious. Look at all the nooblets making up excuses for them to be losing 2 to 1
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
Destuctor
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Posted - 2008.08.03 18:50:00 -
[1564]
i m againt of the nano nerf
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Shane Darman
Gallente Break Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.03 18:57:00 -
[1565]
I find it hilarious how yall think you can *PERSUADE* CCP to not do it.
Its THEIR Game, THEIR Server, not yours.
If you don't like it, well your SoL
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:05:00 -
[1566]
yea i know ccp will do it anyway, but maybes they will regret it once they start losing money
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
crockp0t
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:28:00 -
[1567]
Against. |
Elaine Celeste
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:31:00 -
[1568]
I'm against it. Reduce snakes/boosters/gang bonuses/deadspace mwd's slightly... or make them give bonuses to agility instead, but leave the rest of the game alone.
CELESTE LOTTERIES |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:49:00 -
[1569]
Was raised in today's CSM meeting - discussion ensued - chatlog is Vote on nano-nerf statement at 16:45
Feel free to have a read about what was said.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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THEGREAT LOBO
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.03 20:03:00 -
[1570]
Against the nerf in its current form
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Katherine Cole
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Posted - 2008.08.03 20:23:00 -
[1571]
against
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Great Emrys
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.03 21:11:00 -
[1572]
Against. Nanos need a revision but this goes too far.
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Seetesh
Pixels Docks Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.03 21:19:00 -
[1573]
Against
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Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.08.03 21:24:00 -
[1574]
sry, nop
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Minamoto Taira
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:11:00 -
[1575]
against
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hidden tiger
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:26:00 -
[1576]
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Rusty DP
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:30:00 -
[1577]
signed/
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Inistis
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:32:00 -
[1578]
against
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Pogo Stick
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:35:00 -
[1579]
Originally by: Elaine Celeste I'm against it. Reduce snakes/boosters/gang bonuses/deadspace mwd's slightly... or make them give bonuses to agility instead, but leave the rest of the game alone.
Iam with this.
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:46:00 -
[1580]
a better solution http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=838894
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
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Tia' Moroth
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:48:00 -
[1581]
Ok so our subscription money is being wasted flying you to Iceland to talk about Issues that really mater such as MUSICAL ****ING INSTRUMENTS? Not the game breaking changes the dev's who asume the standard nano pilot has a full set of High Grade snakes and T2 Rigs.
Christ almight. I might as well biomass my charicters right now.
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Isanoe nothwood
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 23:54:00 -
[1582]
against
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LVirus
GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER
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Posted - 2008.08.04 00:13:00 -
[1583]
Edited by: LVirus on 04/08/2008 00:15:11 AGAINST! Plz CCP dont nerf our last defence vs BLOB.
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Fumunda minuts
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Posted - 2008.08.04 00:16:00 -
[1584]
Against the Nerf in it's current form. The entire game moves to slow on Sisi now.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:36:00 -
[1585]
Against as presented. -----------------------------------------
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Octo VII
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:05:00 -
[1586]
Against.
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Arrgs
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:06:00 -
[1587]
Against as presented
My first video! |
RenegadeRacer
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:16:00 -
[1588]
Nano FTW!!!!
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MuthaTeresa
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:00:00 -
[1589]
Against, most definitely.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:11:00 -
[1590]
Edited by: Sylthi on 04/08/2008 06:13:29
Originally by: Tia' Moroth Ok so our subscription money is being wasted flying you to Iceland to talk about Issues that really mater such as MUSICAL ****ING INSTRUMENTS? Not the game breaking changes the dev's who asume the standard nano pilot has a full set of High Grade snakes and T2 Rigs.
Christ almight. I might as well biomass my charicters right now.
THIS. I am EXTREMELY disappointed in the CSM reps who voted to put this off and are potentially going to do nothing about this issue.
The entire point of the CSM was/is to bring the concerns of the player base to the CCP devs. There are now several THOUSAND votes (both for and against) telling you to do just that. You then turn around and vote DIRECTLY to NOT do your job. All I can say is: WTF.
The general consensus of the council was that "it is too early" to say/do anything about this. Absolute Bullocks.
Fact: The "Against" vote poll is winning by more than 2 to 1 at the time of this typing, and has been ever since it was posted.
Does this give the CSM any sort of a clue as to the MAJORITY feelings of the player base concerned by this issue?
Fact: Read any 20 pages, hell, read any 10 pages of the "Against" poll and the general consensus becomes so OBVIOUS that a pre-schooler could sort it out. MOST people is BOTH the "For" and "Against" poll agree that a change is needed to speed. But, specifically in the "Against" poll, MANY point but that the devs are going WAY to far and considering too many changes to very BASIC game play elements.
Am I TOTALLY insane, or is this, or is this not, MORE than enough information to DO YOUR JOBS and go to CCP with the idea that they need to (at the very least) severely reduce the scope of the changes they are planning?
Bottom line: To those reps who voted FOR moving forward with this issue: Thank you for keeping the faith with your constituents. To those reps who voted directly NOT to do your jobs: Shame on you. And, good luck getting my vote for re-election.
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Lellulah Eshnayim
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:21:00 -
[1591]
Against. 1. Perhaps a nerf to vessels going "ludicrous" speeds (stacking penalties maybe). 2. Dont touch MWDS, and webs 3. Boost ABs and AFs 4. Leave masses of ships alone. 5. Keep new scram module, although it may need some tweaking. THIS PATCH KILLS TACTICS, the game will be broken simply to address issues with ships that are a billion if not billions to fly and are not close to as common as these nuking changes suggest. Simply adding certain stacking penalties would prevent people from going "ludicrously" fast. Hit and run tactics should include other ships besides frigates. There are already ships, especially with the new scram mod, that are effective at taking down ludicrous fast ships anyway and their cost is a mere fraction of the cost of the superfast ship. You are also really killing the role of blasterboats that need the speed, recons(especially the huginn/rapier as its role is a frig killer), the vaga would be silly now as well. I think if these changes are enacted we will see more nerfs to "attempt" to correct the imbalances/inadequacies spawned by these changes. Nerfing launchers next, then people will gripe about sniping, meanwhile the gangs/tactics you will see will be very one dimensional compared to what existed before. Tons of frig/some ECM ships, with sniping BSs, or just simply mass blobs at the gates. Many HACs and recons are rendered broken. A megathron blaster boat will be screwed. Also, quite a slap in the face to someone that has invested a hell of a lot of training for mindlinks (money given to you i might add) only to have the speed bonus stack such that any ship that is "fast" wont get much of a benefit, same can be said of snake implants, and if you rely on both you are synergetically screwed. There is nothing wrong with cruisers being able to go from 2.5 - 5 km/s without spending a billion isk. These speeds are very reasonable to be able to counter against. If you feel you need to nerf webs so much, you should give a web effectiveness bonus to those ships in which webbing was its role, not just a maurader (are you kidding?)
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Sniper EMP
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:55:00 -
[1592]
Against.
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Sir Atkinson
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.04 07:58:00 -
[1593]
I endorse this...
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p4wl
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:34:00 -
[1594]
against!
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Speedy Bobcat
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Posted - 2008.08.04 09:38:00 -
[1595]
Against
Boost anti-nano, for example increase web range, is better than nerf nano. Nano is need to be rebalanced, but not so extremely.
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Zanarkand
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:00:00 -
[1596]
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mirosan
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:15:00 -
[1597]
against
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Mr System
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:20:00 -
[1598]
Against
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Cheburawka
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:22:00 -
[1599]
Against
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:58:00 -
[1600]
AGAINST, Unless CCP rethings some changes on ALL ships that will get pwned and nerfed to oblivion as these could only "deliver" in nano-setups.
On the other hand, this nano-craze should be stopped, yet not by driving all fast-ship-combat and speed tanks to extinction. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
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kill0rbunny
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:14:00 -
[1601]
against
Go places. Kill people. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:46:00 -
[1602]
The only way to fight a nano setup is to use another nano setup or a huginn and a bit of luck.
Nanoships can take on huge numbers of non nano ships without taking any damage.
So obviosley broken its not even funny.
Rebalance speed tanking.
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Shinori
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:52:00 -
[1603]
Voting only against the web nerf.
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:55:00 -
[1604]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Was raised in today's CSM meeting - discussion ensued - chatlog is Vote on nano-nerf statement at 16:45
Feel free to have a read about what was said.
Very dissapointed in the CSM !!!! You are considering you own opinions on the subject and not the input generated by the Pro-Con the vote. I tought your mission was to voice the feeling of the community not your own???
You seem to think that we all just vote pro-con without trying it out on sisi. Well you are wrong, I think there are plenty of posts with concrete evidence that this nerf is bad, and will eliminate a certain type of warfare as it is no longer a viable option with the proposed changes.
CCP seems to think that all Nano pilots use HG snakes and use T2 poly's on. I think they can find out, if they wanted to, on how many pilots acutally use this type's of mods and implants in actual combat. But I'm convinced it will be a minorty. The typical nano pilot is using T1 poly's, T2 nano's and overdrives, and maybe a speed mod. This is what should be looked into that the typical setup by most nano pilots remains a viable option. Not nerf everything that the ridicilous stuff that most can't offord remains a half baked solution.
Go do your job CSM !!!!
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anidaG
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:57:00 -
[1605]
Against
mwd being switched off when scrambled - this will kill all nanoships, because when you want to kill the target, you put your warp disruptor on him. This means he can put warp disruptor back on you. So, this nerf will affect every engagement where the target is not jammed. Why mwd was created in the first place. Decrease in web strength - you want to nerf nanoships, so you want to nerf ships that counter them. My logic is lost there))) You do that and then we'll see how you will let nanohac, going full speed under mwd, stop and still be within your web range. You might think about rapiers being overpowered - then think about falcon, isn't it overpowered as well then? Why not nerf all the ships to the point of where all the ships in game will have the same characteristics, because it's somehow fair. By making overdrives and nanofibers stack, you'll do no harm to vagas and rapiers (they usually fit only overdrives). But, you'll nerf ships like curse, zealot and ishtar (which usually fit mixture of overdrives and nanofibers) (3 overdrives, 2 nanofibers for ishtar), so that the minmatar ships will be even more superior in speed and this will create even more disballance. Almost every single patch ccp nerfs something - why not improve something that counters the stuff that you want to nerf? PS: Arazu used to be a great ship. Ask how many people fly them now. Please don't make the same to the rest of the ships in eve, where an uber ship will be something like navy issue osprey :(
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Kadeia
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:02:00 -
[1606]
Against |
Akelica
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:03:00 -
[1607]
Against! |
Tal Nok
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:28:00 -
[1608]
Against
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY.
Need sacrifice.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:52:00 -
[1609]
keep it up, get everyone in on this party and lets show the whinny b1t3chs whose boss
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:13:00 -
[1610]
+1 |
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Jack Forge
Gallente Wolverine Solutions Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:00:00 -
[1611]
against current proposal
FOR : "I don't get why just one or two of these changes couldn't rebalance everything: make scrams shut off mwds, which gives gallente recons a role, and nerf the polycarbs back in to line with every other rig out there.
Whoah... suddenly fixes the nano and does wonders for the speed problem!
or.
Just nerf the stacking penalties, but leave everything else as it is.
but doing that on top of nerfing the hell out of pretty much everything that gives speed.... is just over the top."
as a fix __________________________________________________ Stupid is as stupid does... |
Mira O'karr
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:41:00 -
[1612]
Edited by: Mira O''karr on 04/08/2008 18:43:46 Edited by: Mira O''karr on 04/08/2008 18:41:49 against (am i late?)
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putukas
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.04 19:20:00 -
[1613]
Edited by: putukas on 04/08/2008 19:20:17 against
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Galee Bladestorm
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:03:00 -
[1614]
AGAINST!!
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Shinma Apollo
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.04 22:48:00 -
[1615]
Against
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Brutor42
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:30:00 -
[1616]
I am against speed nerf.
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Dallas Aidan
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:32:00 -
[1617]
I am against speed nerf.
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Slartibartfaest
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:34:00 -
[1618]
I am against speed nerf.
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Zorborg
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:35:00 -
[1619]
Edited by: Zorborg on 05/08/2008 00:35:01 I am against speed nerf.
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Hiru Protagonist
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:12:00 -
[1620]
I'm against the speed nerf. It will simplify the game.
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Gut Punch
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:09:00 -
[1621]
Edited by: Gut Punch on 05/08/2008 02:14:43 Against.
These is taking away the sandbox. Train skills, think tactically, find friends, or quit.
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Dr NooBLeT
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:10:00 -
[1622]
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman Edited by: AdmiralFreeman on 04/08/2008 13:28:34 Edited by: AdmiralFreeman on 04/08/2008 12:59:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Was raised in today's CSM meeting - discussion ensued - chatlog is Vote on nano-nerf statement at 16:45
Feel free to have a read about what was said.
Very dissapointed in the CSM !!!! You are considering your own opinions on the subject over the input generated by the Pro-Con the vote/poll. I tought your mission was to voice the feeling of the community not your own??? AGAINST / PRO NERF = 2/1 I think its clear !!!
You seem to think that we all just vote pro-con without trying it out on sisi. Well you are wrong, I think there are plenty of posts with concrete evidence that this nerf is bad, and will eliminate a certain type of warfare as it is no longer a viable option with the proposed changes.
CCP seems to think that all Nano pilots use HG snakes and use T2 poly's on. I think they can find out, if they wanted to, on how many pilots acutally use this type's of mods and implants in actual combat. But I'm convinced it will be a minorty. The typical nano pilot is using T1 poly's, T2 nano's and overdrives, and maybe a low cost speed mod implant. This is what should be looked into that the typical setup by most nano pilots remains a viable option. Not nerf everything that the ridicilous stuff that most can't offord remains a half baked solution.
Go do your job CSM !!!! The vote tells you exactly what you should do !!!!
this
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Noluck Ned
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:25:00 -
[1623]
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To mare
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:09:00 -
[1624]
nanoships are fine
carebear need a nerf
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Taylor Bridges
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Posted - 2008.08.05 08:01:00 -
[1625]
Against.
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Venger X
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:17:00 -
[1626]
AGAINST
WTF CCP is starting to look like Microsoft what we want we do F*** the members
you can call the next patch EVE - VISTA then we get the point :P
at least make ad something for ships that NEED speed like uhhhh the Vagabond it will suck after this patch FOR LIVE but thatÆs what i think
was a EVE fan but now thinking of going for Jumpgate - evolution BLACK PROPHECY For a space mmo
VENGER :The force of EVIL |
Spy Eye
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:32:00 -
[1627]
Save the Vaga!
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Dante Karaal
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.08.05 12:07:00 -
[1628]
/signed
Changes as on SiSi are a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Why to combat 'ludicrous speed' must normal t2 fits be made redundant?
What you should do:
- reduce the effectiveness of snakes. - put polycarbons in-line with the other astronautic rigs. ie worse than a t2 nanofibre, but still worth fitting. - introduce the change to warp scramblers, making them shut down mwds. - make webs signature radius dependant so that a battleship, or cruiser running mwd can be webbed 90% by a t2 web, but a frigate not running a mwd will be webbed by as little as 33-40%. - boost the velocity and explosion velocity of precision missiles slightly.
What you should NOT do: - change the current stats or balance of t1, named, t2 and faction speed mods and MWDs. - introduce re-activation delay on MWDs, this encourages perma-MWD setups. Pulsing MWD is a valid and skillful tactic for maintaining range.
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squiddie
Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:29:00 -
[1629]
I'm against the announced nerf because it goes too far. For details read the feedback thread.
I would support a game balancing nerf of implants, polycarbs and gang bonuses. Perhaps a general speed limit of 12-15k to prevent the physics engine going crazy.
Vote against the nano nerf! Don't forget to check the 'support' checkbox when replying.
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:40:00 -
[1630]
a better solution http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=838894&page=1
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
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goodnight
Sleeper Technology Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.05 15:28:00 -
[1631]
For Minmatar and diversity
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Steyr Daghan
thx for all the fish Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.08.05 15:54:00 -
[1632]
I'm for the balancing of ludicrus speed, absolutely. That means "yes to the nerf" if you didn't get it.
All of you here are just whining because you'll get no more safe, free kills.
The proposed changes will bring a new life to pvp in eve. And it's way, way, way overdue.
I hope CCP won't cave to the whiners that can't adapt.
(No my pvp alt does not fly caldari)
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Milena Marich
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:05:00 -
[1633]
Against!
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Great Guardian
H A V O C
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:07:00 -
[1634]
Strongly against!!! " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:18:00 -
[1635]
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman Edited by: AdmiralFreeman on 04/08/2008 13:28:34 Edited by: AdmiralFreeman on 04/08/2008 12:59:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Was raised in today's CSM meeting - discussion ensued - chatlog is Vote on nano-nerf statement at 16:45
Feel free to have a read about what was said.
Very dissapointed in the CSM !!!! You are considering your own opinions on the subject over the input generated by the Pro-Con the vote/poll. I tought your mission was to voice the feeling of the community not your own??? AGAINST / PRO NERF = 2/1 I think its clear !!!
You seem to think that we all just vote pro-con without trying it out on sisi. Well you are wrong, I think there are plenty of posts with concrete evidence that this nerf is bad, and will eliminate a certain type of warfare as it is no longer a viable option with the proposed changes.
CCP seems to think that all Nano pilots use HG snakes and use T2 poly's on. I think they can find out, if they wanted to, on how many pilots acutally use this type's of mods and implants in actual combat. But I'm convinced it will be a minorty. The typical nano pilot is using T1 poly's, T2 nano's and overdrives, and maybe a low cost speed mod implant. This is what should be looked into that the typical setup by most nano pilots remains a viable option. Not nerf everything that the ridicilous stuff that most can't offord remains a half baked solution.
Go do your job CSM !!!! The vote tells you exactly what you should do !!!!
Well I've added the speed nerf Issue to the agenda again for the August 17th meeting and urged all the CSM delegates to make the effort to get onto SISI for the two intervening weeks so we can hopefully have a more useful discussion at the next meeting. Fingers crossed we get something more useful from the next one.
For the record: Jade, Omber Zombie, Ben Derider, Ank voted for a statement on the nano nerf last meeting. Bane Glorious, Darius Johnson, Inanna and Tusko Hopkins voted against. If you feel that any of the CSM delegates who would ordinarily be representing your interests on this issue have made a mistake then I'd advise you to evemail, convo, or otherwise engage them in discussion and let them know what you think.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Somal Thunder
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:42:00 -
[1636]
I really really like the nano nerf, but doing missions in my Raven is going to take a crapload of time now, because the BASE SPEEDS were lowered significantly. How bout adding more mass instead and making afterburners less viable to mass changes?
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kerbir
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Posted - 2008.08.05 17:19:00 -
[1637]
against
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Neo Merchant
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:27:00 -
[1638]
A G A I N S T
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Neo Trader
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:28:00 -
[1639]
Edited by: Neo Trader on 05/08/2008 20:27:57 A G A I N S T
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Neo Harald
The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:28:00 -
[1640]
A G A I N S T
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Neo Broker
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:30:00 -
[1641]
A G A I N S T
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IronGoldenEagle
NightHawk Phantom Fleet The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:30:00 -
[1642]
Edited by: IronGoldenEagle on 05/08/2008 20:30:25 /signed
Against
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Neo Business
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:30:00 -
[1643]
A G A I N S T
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Neo Ultimate
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:31:00 -
[1644]
A G A I N S T
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Chencherra
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:50:00 -
[1645]
Originally by: Steyr Daghan I'm for the balancing of ludicrus speed, absolutely. That means "yes to the nerf" if you didn't get it.
All of you here are just whining because you'll get no more safe, free kills.
The proposed changes will bring a new life to pvp in eve. And it's way, way, way overdue.
I hope CCP won't cave to the whiners that can't adapt.
(No my pvp alt does not fly caldari)
1. This thread is for voting against the nerf, if you a for the nerf go to the other thread 2. AFAIK you and a lot others were whining, that explains why CCP made these changes 3. Explain how the nerf will bring new life to pvp 4. CCP listened to whiners, like you, too long and now they are doing wrong just to satisfy all you caldari carebears, because your crappy fitted drakes and caracals die so fast, no matter if it is a nano or a tanked ship that kills you. 5. Quote: (No my pvp alt does not fly caldari)
Ahahahahaha
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Originally by: Silence Duegood
Quote:
Nighthawk fitting: ... Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II ...
...what's with the Kinetic Hardeners, do you fly this ship?
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:00:00 -
[1646]
5.3kmmax for a stiletto? 4.3km for hyena? 3.6km vaga 3.4 for interdictors!?!?
sorry everything dies at these speeds _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
Sirus Ade
Relinquo.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:39:00 -
[1647]
Not just a nano nerf, but a Gallente and Minmatar nerf. Ill conceived and badly implemented in its current state.
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Rmageddon
Fluffy Bunny Love
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:03:00 -
[1648]
Edited by: Rmageddon on 06/08/2008 01:05:44 AGAINST
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Uncle Smokey
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:04:00 -
[1649]
HELL NO! .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. \o/ EVERYBODY SAY HELL YEAH! \o/ |
SkiLLzThaTKiLLz X
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:23:00 -
[1650]
Edited by: SkiLLzThaTKiLLz X on 06/08/2008 01:24:36 Against
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Duran Bolivar
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:34:00 -
[1651]
against
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Rjindael
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:34:00 -
[1652]
against
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DarkArch0n X
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.06 01:36:00 -
[1653]
Against the nerf
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Secluse
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Posted - 2008.08.06 02:10:00 -
[1654]
Edited by: Secluse on 06/08/2008 02:10:05 Against
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Phaedruss
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Posted - 2008.08.06 03:05:00 -
[1655]
Nerf extreme speeds, trash the ideas in the Dev Blog, and find some people with a clue to come up with ideas before publishing them.
Against THIS nerf.
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Kobrakilla
Eternal Perseverance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 04:10:00 -
[1656]
Unprepared should always equal dead |
Cun
Caldari Risky eXplosion Death or Glory
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:21:00 -
[1657]
Against WBR, Cun |
Hitryi Kot
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:46:00 -
[1658]
Against
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Loony Hypo
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:51:00 -
[1659]
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evildotcom
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:52:00 -
[1660]
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Mauy Thai
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:54:00 -
[1661]
gimps way too many ships, and basically it just seems lazy.
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Milamar Tokugawa
Care-a-lot
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:55:00 -
[1662]
Down with minnie nerfs!
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eliminator2
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 09:23:00 -
[1663]
every1 is moaning that there is not away to kill them on ur own i kill them on mmy own easy in a BS i have my own techneak that gets rid of any of em plus theres the rapier/mugin that can web em to death not to mention the jammin/dampin ships that can jam or damp the inty/nano*** i mean i read the blog and it was like mmm gd up to now then i go to the bit to nerf all ships speed hmmm abit over top but ill carry on readin then theres the drones that can catch nano/***s y even bother doing that nano***s kill the enemy ships drones anyway so thats pointless and then the web nerf WAY over the top i mean u dnt exactly have any nanoer thatr comes to ur web range and wen they do they get out easy at it is and with web nerf u might as well just not carry one since all other ships if ur gate campin will just get to get easyier even a freighter could get to gate faster now i bet lol :D and then the short range scram boost all MWD's will be made inactive if u get hit by these WTF they have 7,500m range (i think) no nano *** will ever go that close in first place let alone 10 km and even if they do they just do wat they did with the web go fling out i mean sure the mwd gets turned of but base speed much even with web it will still be faster than a BS and i bet the inty/nano*** will carry one just incase the bs trys MWD to them or any other nano*** trys it so over all CCP has yet failed at another nerf
P.S sorry about the crap typing i aint a gd speller lol
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Tonkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 10:31:00 -
[1664]
against
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Rijasy
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:19:00 -
[1665]
Against.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:28:00 -
[1666]
against, -----------------------------------------------
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Typhado3
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:19:00 -
[1667]
against the minmatar being kicked in the nuts again and again yes
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Enigmaria
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:15:00 -
[1668]
Signed because of Gallente and Minnie getting screwed over.
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:25:00 -
[1669]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: AdmiralFreeman Edited by: AdmiralFreeman on 04/08/2008 13:28:34 Edited by: AdmiralFreeman on 04/08/2008 12:59:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Was raised in today's CSM meeting - discussion ensued - chatlog is Vote on nano-nerf statement at 16:45
Feel free to have a read about what was said.
Very dissapointed in the CSM !!!! You are considering your own opinions on the subject over the input generated by the Pro-Con the vote/poll. I tought your mission was to voice the feeling of the community not your own??? AGAINST / PRO NERF = 2/1 I think its clear !!!
You seem to think that we all just vote pro-con without trying it out on sisi. Well you are wrong, I think there are plenty of posts with concrete evidence that this nerf is bad, and will eliminate a certain type of warfare as it is no longer a viable option with the proposed changes.
CCP seems to think that all Nano pilots use HG snakes and use T2 poly's on. I think they can find out, if they wanted to, on how many pilots acutally use this type's of mods and implants in actual combat. But I'm convinced it will be a minorty. The typical nano pilot is using T1 poly's, T2 nano's and overdrives, and maybe a low cost speed mod implant. This is what should be looked into that the typical setup by most nano pilots remains a viable option. Not nerf everything that the ridicilous stuff that most can't offord remains a half baked solution.
Go do your job CSM !!!! The vote tells you exactly what you should do !!!!
Well I've added the speed nerf Issue to the agenda again for the August 17th meeting and urged all the CSM delegates to make the effort to get onto SISI for the two intervening weeks so we can hopefully have a more useful discussion at the next meeting. Fingers crossed we get something more useful from the next one.
For the record: Jade, Omber Zombie, Ben Derider, Ank voted for a statement on the nano nerf last meeting. Bane Glorious, Darius Johnson, Inanna and Tusko Hopkins voted against. If you feel that any of the CSM delegates who would ordinarily be representing your interests on this issue have made a mistake then I'd advise you to evemail, convo, or otherwise engage them in discussion and let them know what you think.
Thanks for your efforts Jade, its appreciated. Keep on pushing !!!
To the other CSM members : I think the message given by the vote is pretty clear, so I don't understand why you are reluctant on voicing the results of the vox-populi ? Invoking the fact that the proposed changes are still subject to change is b***s**t. You know as well as I, that if we don't act now, the nerf is going to happen. So get in the frontline and act based on the votes!!
Also unsure what some of your CSM members(-1), that voted against the CSM putting something forward are going to test on sisi. As they seem to have close to no KB stats / proven combat experience, or display any relevant pre nerf pvp experience..... or does being in csm mean that you are defacto experts on small gang warfare and tactics ?
If they would have been pre-occupied by the upcomming changes they would already have tested is on sisi the day it was released. don't you think so ?
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Falun Assad
Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:34:00 -
[1670]
Against, in this current state it is simply to much!
Tweaking instead of breacking please!
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Sol'Kanar
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:02:00 -
[1671]
Against
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Xavieer Naidoo
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:39:00 -
[1672]
AGAINST the nano/blasterboat nerf.
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Bobbechk
Vigilante inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:12:00 -
[1673]
Against!
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Xavier Zedicus
Priory of Zorrabed
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:36:00 -
[1674]
Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 06/08/2008 17:36:51
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burning raven
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:07:00 -
[1675]
Against
.!. CCP 4TL
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Corin Nebulon
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:11:00 -
[1676]
against the nerf /signed
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edtheshed
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:24:00 -
[1677]
against!!!!!!!!!!
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DNSSauce
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:29:00 -
[1678]
AGAINST
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:01:00 -
[1679]
k
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Dante Tucker
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:12:00 -
[1680]
This is my vote, there are many like it. |
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gamertrav
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 23:54:00 -
[1681]
I like exciting pvp where anything can happen. They seem to be steering the game in the direction of "arena pvp" which will basically be like the alliance tournaments. You can't expect to just hit F1-F8 and win every fight...or maybe you can now
There are plenty of ways to beat nano ships as it stands, and they are extremely vulnerable when you catch them. They also tend to be expensive, so you are flying an expensive ship with no tank (other than speed).
Also as mentioned the nerf will have a negative impact on ships that aren't even "nano ships".
So, you could say I'm AGAINST the nerf.
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Vlad Cetes
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:26:00 -
[1682]
I say we should look at some other ideas. tbh the only thing needed is a poly nerf.
I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature. |
Akhavir
Shinra
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Posted - 2008.08.07 02:00:00 -
[1683]
Edited by: Akhavir on 07/08/2008 02:01:50 Against, 100% Re: Suicide Ganking Nerf
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 04:00:00 -
[1684]
yes _____
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:10:00 -
[1685]
Changing my vote from for to against. After much discussion I come to agree this is simply too much nerf.
Diary of a pod pilot |
Heckelgruber
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:09:00 -
[1686]
While accepting that there is a problem with speed, this solution goes way too far, too fast. I suggest phasing in changes one by one rather than shotgunning the whole game into Drake tennis.
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Shaox
The Aggressors
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:48:00 -
[1687]
indeed
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:24:00 -
[1688]
against
remove uber-speeds not ALL speeds
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:27:00 -
[1689]
Edited by: Ben Derindar on 07/08/2008 09:27:54
Originally by: Jade Constantine For the record: Jade, Omber Zombie, Ben Derider, Ank voted for a statement on the nano nerf last meeting. Bane Glorious, Darius Johnson, Inanna and Tusko Hopkins voted against.
Who is this Ben Derider? It can't be me, I'm usually the one being derided.
Anyway, I thought I'd highlight an observation about this thread (which I also mentioned in the CSM meeting itself) that while a lot of people here are accepting of the need for a nerf to some degree, they feel that the current plan goes too far. Well, the more I read of the threads in Game Development and the more time I spend on Sisi myself, the more I'm inclined to agree with that position also.
Early on in the piece I voted in the "for" thread, and while I still don't regret that, I think it's only fair that I vote in this thread now too in recognition of the other aspects of the game the current plan stands to break should it go ahead.
EDIT: grammar
/Ben
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Eevul Rabbite
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.08.07 10:41:00 -
[1690]
Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 07/08/2008 10:42:25 Against.
I'm all for nerfing insane speeds, but the proposed changes are ridiculous.
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Xen Mind
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:06:00 -
[1691]
i support this thread
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Richard Winters
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:06:00 -
[1692]
Against its all ok for now dont nerf again heh ------------------------------------------------ Our disease, everywhere I wander I trail the song of your despair, everywhere don't you breathe, don't you dare? Only life, do you care when it' |
Mrs Sea
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:44:00 -
[1693]
Against nano nerf.
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Rex Wolfen
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:57:00 -
[1694]
against ze speed nerf
....its just too much.
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H Lecter
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:27:00 -
[1695]
I agree that balancing is needed. But it should be done like balancing a scale. You don't put an aircraft carrier on the other side of the scale to tip it slightly into the right direction.
I love flying my Taranis on TQ - it's T2 fitted and unrigged. Passing through a bubble gate camp is a challenge for me as it is. When the changes go through as proposed I can decide to invest 1 billion ISK to achieve the same result. No thanks CCP!
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:57:00 -
[1696]
Down with the nerfs.
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Maurice Bourdon
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:30:00 -
[1697]
I am against it.
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AenarisNL
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:40:00 -
[1698]
signed
if u do this look at missiles and guns tracking speeds...
webs won't stop u.
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Johnny Trigger
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:56:00 -
[1699]
I am AGAINST the nano nerf.
Devs/Nozh, please read all the great ideas people have put forth and give this some more thought.
do not make minmatar a useless race.
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Wanderer Grey
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:55:00 -
[1700]
AGAINST
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Mangold
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:56:00 -
[1701]
To much imho, a tweek is in time but not all this.
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Ioan Metorsky
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:45:00 -
[1702]
I am for and against the proposed changes, but mostly against.
I am in favor of balancing (i.e., fixing the stacking issues with) polycarbon rigs, snake implants, and nanofibers.
Smoothing out differences in speed across ship classes and within classes is a decent idea, but I am concerned that the current implementation is poorly done.
I am not in favor of the rest of the changes.
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Karando
Random Goods
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:54:00 -
[1703]
against.
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:55:00 -
[1704]
Worst Patch Ever.
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Hatch
Bug-Blatter Beasts of Traal
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:57:00 -
[1705]
/signed
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Harotak
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:57:00 -
[1706]
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Worst Patch Ever.
indeed
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Katorah
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:57:00 -
[1707]
/signed
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BlaX LF
Minmatar SoT
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:35:00 -
[1708]
against
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hast Ulga
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:09:00 -
[1709]
N.N.N!
No Nano Nerf !
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Orogaldeo
Star Horizons Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:30:00 -
[1710]
AGAINST:FOR 1359:638 Supporters 1794:789 Replies 60:27 Pages
2:1, lolz ________________________________
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Trojanman190
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:25:00 -
[1711]
Edited by: Trojanman190 on 07/08/2008 19:26:02
Originally by: Steyr Daghan I'm for the balancing of ludicrus speed, absolutely. That means "yes to the nerf" if you didn't get it.
All of you here are just whining because you'll get no more safe, free kills.
The proposed changes will bring a new life to pvp in eve. And it's way, way, way overdue.
I hope CCP won't cave to the whiners that can't adapt.
(No my pvp alt does not fly caldari)
I love this guy. The embodyment of all those who support these insane sweeping changes.
"I hope CCP won't cave to the whiners that can't adapt." You ****ing moron! The only reason they are nerfing it is because a bunch of people whined and couldn't adapt!!! We are pvpers! "Telling a PVP'er to adapt is like telling a shark to swim, he's doing it anyway." -Pheonix Kanan
If people like you had adapted as opposed to whining, this thread wouldn't be here and you wouldn't have made that stupid comment!
Nerfing ludicrous speed is needed, but these sweeping nerfs are insane and go WAY to far. This nerf is wrong and needs to be reworked.
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onymous
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:41:00 -
[1712]
the changes go too far. |
atrabilious
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:42:00 -
[1713]
/signed |
myrmecophilous
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:42:00 -
[1714]
/signed |
Dizeezer Velar
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:53:00 -
[1715]
Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 07/08/2008 19:53:10 /signed.
Say no to Drake tennis. [/url] |
Venetiyan'Hel
Fields Of Fire
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:34:00 -
[1716]
Edited by: Venetiyan''Hel on 07/08/2008 20:35:52 Edited by: Venetiyan''Hel on 07/08/2008 20:35:03
Originally by: hast Ulga N.N.N!
No Nano Nerf !
This.
Against.
(Minmatars main defence is speed, I like speed. DO NOT NERF THIS.
EDIT: First on page 61. \o/ EDIT 2: Showing my support with the thumbs up. ----------------------------------------
If you're leaving scorch marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:15:00 -
[1717]
Against.
CCP stated that nanogangs are broken. I fully support a reasonable nerf on nanos. However, I do not support a nerf to speed and every single ship that uses speed to get anywhere.
The idea is horrible. CCP should know better than to give crap dev blogs after the carrier nerf one. If CCP wants to come up with a way to nerf nano gangs, they need to get a consensus from the community, because it's quite clear by now that we know the inner workings of the game far better than the devs. -----------
Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0... |
Jan Laursen
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:50:00 -
[1718]
AGAINST
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jerrard iceni
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:06:00 -
[1719]
AGAINST
Nanos need some tweaking/balancing but the changes on sisi arent the way to do it.
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Yoh Starblade
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:14:00 -
[1720]
Against. While I'm not against the changes per say, I'm against the sweeping nature of it. It just plain overkill for such a minor problem such as nanos.
Babysteps CCP, babysteps.
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Maijugs Arhueg
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:15:00 -
[1721]
Originally by: Yoh Starblade a minor problem such as nanos.
LOL, TEH INNERNET.
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Soyemia
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:03:00 -
[1722]
Yes. I dont want my minmatar toon be useless. Official BoB fanboy. Called Stabemia. Corp hopper. |
Zhilan Alaioki
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:19:00 -
[1723]
I want to see A nano nerf, just not THIS one as it's taking a sledgehammer approach.
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Azuraito
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 09:00:00 -
[1724]
Edited by: Azuraito on 08/08/2008 09:02:44 Some kind of speed nerf is required, especially for the vaga.
But what the dev is proposing is ludicrous and will effect stuff that does not need to be changed.
I will have to be with the eve community on this one.
AGAINST!
btw.. LaVista? if it was only an idea, why is the nerf running on SiSi?
PS.. any chance we could vote on stasis bubbles to combat these pesky minmattar
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DNSBLACK
Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.08 11:17:00 -
[1725]
AGAINST
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beretta74
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 12:17:00 -
[1726]
AGAINST!!!
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duece duece
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:18:00 -
[1727]
totally against!!!
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Pun1sh3r
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:20:00 -
[1728]
AGAINST!!
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Diabolyc
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:30:00 -
[1729]
AGAINST!!!!!
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Vladameir Harkenin
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Posted - 2008.08.08 15:42:00 -
[1730]
I do not fly nano, but I can see the reasoning behind being able to nano a hac. If they can't be nanoed they generally aren't much better then there bc counterparts making paying the isk not worth it.
Also there is no reason to nerf speed across the board, killing one race (minmatar)and making another races weaponry (blasters) completely useless.
Nerf ludicrous, don't kill speed tanking as it's a viable tactic.
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Taya Tal
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Posted - 2008.08.08 16:52:00 -
[1731]
/signed
P.S. CCP YOU SUCK AT LIFE
This is an individual rant that really doesn't have much to do with the nano nerf but over the past few months my experience with CCP Staff has been extremely bad.
Thus I might quit eve for greener pastures so I can flame CCP and not really care. (No you can not have my stuff I would destroy it before I would give it to you).
CCP YOU ARE ALL GIGANTIC ***GOTS NOW GO DIE BY HEAD TRAUMA FROM A PENCIL NOW OR SOMETHING YOU GAY PEDO***GOTS!!!!
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N'irrti
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 20:20:00 -
[1732]
give speed a chance :D
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Genji Ancient
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:31:00 -
[1733]
AGAINST !
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Lex Aeterna
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:40:00 -
[1734]
AGAINST!
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Alex Salas
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:45:00 -
[1735]
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Yadot
Tarfen Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:32:00 -
[1736]
Bad.. Spent a few days on Singularity and I am disappointed. As Minmatar, even my mission ships are screwed and I can no longer have a bit of fun tanking L4's in a Claw. Nano is not an "I win" button, it takes extensive skill and big isk to make it really effective. Why should pilots who have invested time and isk be nerfed because some disgruntled idiots cannot adapt?
CCP, don't take away the reason to specialise.
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Develon Hitaki
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:28:00 -
[1737]
totally against this Idea
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Hetjan
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:48:00 -
[1738]
Support .. sooo against this ****up nerf |
Dapanman1
Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.09 02:30:00 -
[1739]
NOZH DROP THE SLEDGEHAMMER AND STEP AWAY FROM THE NANOS.
You may find this scalpel is more effective, I'll show you to the polycarbons. Stop panting, please. Sig removed for inappropriate content.~~~Applebabe |
Kusotarre
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:08:00 -
[1740]
Against, but I've already cancelled all my accounts.
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Mark Amarr
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:27:00 -
[1741]
Edited by: Mark Amarr on 09/08/2008 08:33:54 Against
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Kilostream
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:32:00 -
[1742]
Against
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Jimberwookie
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:44:00 -
[1743]
Against
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Clarence
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:45:00 -
[1744]
Against
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Afrika Minmatar
Wingrove Weapons Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:48:00 -
[1745]
Very 'gainst http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3753/wingrovesigcopy7vh.jpg
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Gramobolanda
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:07:00 -
[1746]
Against
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Uedel
Lyonesse. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:08:00 -
[1747]
Against
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Apos Masamo
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:09:00 -
[1748]
Against
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Kayleigh Lothian
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:59:00 -
[1749]
Against in it's current form. Something has to be done, but this feels a bit....uhmmm....radical. ----------------------
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:58:00 -
[1750]
AGAINST. Unless the Vagabond and other Speed ships are somehow balnced up so they remain a viable ship for PvP.
KIA EVE Home
KIA in game Public Channel "KIA"
KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact Devoras2 or SentryRav |
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Pushme Pullyou
Wingrove Weapons Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:07:00 -
[1751]
Against
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stehrle
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:44:00 -
[1752]
against
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DarkGirl84
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:47:00 -
[1753]
against
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IceCr0w
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:48:00 -
[1754]
against
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Suitonia
interimo
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:49:00 -
[1755]
against in it's current form. |
Amarr'd
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Posted - 2008.08.09 12:15:00 -
[1756]
Against as it is currently on sisi
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Etil DeLaFuente
Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 12:24:00 -
[1757]
Against! (at least against so much stupid change in one time)
I had a spider in my house, ccp destroyed the building
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Demonikan
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:03:00 -
[1758]
Against, the percentage of true snaked/factioned setup ships which these steps will curtail whilst killing off many other ship types is miniscule.
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Z'app
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 19:51:00 -
[1759]
Edited by: Z''app on 09/08/2008 19:52:41 Against |
thebaltaci
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:58:00 -
[1760]
Against the nerf..!! Let people have fun and stop nerfing the good things in game ..im against against against THE NERF !!!!
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Feanor Caldarian
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:02:00 -
[1761]
AGAINST
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Hardflow
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:02:00 -
[1762]
AGAINST
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Feseurdeveuve
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:04:00 -
[1763]
Against
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MaDOnos
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:04:00 -
[1764]
AGAINST
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USTURA KEMAL
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:12:00 -
[1765]
againts
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luckymans
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:15:00 -
[1766]
against
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Wormeyes
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:23:00 -
[1767]
against
Roving Guns XO Roving Guns Website |
Tinman256
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:26:00 -
[1768]
AGAINST
This nerf is too big and broad. It will kill small gangs and create more lag.
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PsycheAnalyzer
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:31:00 -
[1769]
AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !AGAINST definitly !
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Lord Elminster
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:37:00 -
[1770]
Edited by: Lord Elminster on 09/08/2008 21:38:04 Against!
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skip60
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:40:00 -
[1771]
agains
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Drak Nijoba
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:45:00 -
[1772]
Edited by: Drak Nijoba on 09/08/2008 21:45:41 I'm against.
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Telamonide
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:50:00 -
[1773]
against
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Zeppeline
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:51:00 -
[1774]
against
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Nukta
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:52:00 -
[1775]
against
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Boban77
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:53:00 -
[1776]
against
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Tesiphona
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:54:00 -
[1777]
against
|
Niffer Mac
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:54:00 -
[1778]
against
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Sam KaBlam
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:56:00 -
[1779]
This season I will be mostly against the Nano Nuke
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N0Remorse
Rum Runners' Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:57:00 -
[1780]
yay for nano's
-N0Remorse
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mremre
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:58:00 -
[1781]
against! i payed 3.0 bil to snake set. will ccp give me that iskies back ? or i will forget 3.0 b isk which i gave
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Therem Harth
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 21:59:00 -
[1782]
against this and any other stupid short-sighted attempts to break the game for people who actually play it --
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Autumn Nature
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 22:00:00 -
[1783]
Against
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Haddon Mirk
Wingrove Weapons Systems
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 22:08:00 -
[1784]
Against http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3753/wingrovesigcopy7vh.jpg
[orange]Oversized, please read the forum |
bellevegasj
AnTi. Atrocitas
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 22:10:00 -
[1785]
Edited by: bellevegasj on 09/08/2008 22:10:16 against Minmatar nerf!
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Blowing Bubble
|
Posted - 2008.08.09 22:11:00 -
[1786]
against
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Krullz
CyberDyne Industries
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 00:01:00 -
[1787]
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SnoW BlinDeR
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 00:02:00 -
[1788]
against
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Way TightThigh
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 00:03:00 -
[1789]
Edited by: Way TightThigh on 10/08/2008 00:02:57 against
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Caiitlin
Amarr Trading Company
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 00:04:00 -
[1790]
|
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Ghaylente 7864
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 00:04:00 -
[1791]
againsttt
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Vortech
Wingrove Weapons Systems
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 08:45:00 -
[1792]
Against
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Fonain
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 13:16:00 -
[1793]
Against
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Taylor Musgrat
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 15:03:00 -
[1794]
Edited by: Taylor Musgrat on 10/08/2008 15:02:46 against.
Speed wasn't broken, nano gangs were overpowered. So CCP nerfs the speed of every ship in the game, while nerfing webs and entire race's of weapon classes? Get real, and hire some real devs.
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Ihrda Siharkhail
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.10 15:52:00 -
[1795]
against
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Drug Kito
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 16:58:00 -
[1796]
Against.
CCP displaying their massive lack of insight into their own game again. They should have fired the guy proposing these changes already.
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mremre
HUNLAR the Almighty Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:29:00 -
[1797]
against! i payed 3.0 bil to snake set. will ccp give me that iskies back ? or i will forget 3.0 b isk which i gave?
(second same coz first i forgot to check the box.)
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forum mematar
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Posted - 2008.08.10 18:56:00 -
[1798]
SIGNED! ---
http://stige.pingtimeout.net/evevids/ |
Janex Tualor
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 20:19:00 -
[1799]
against
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Jonas Tualor
Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 20:26:00 -
[1800]
against
I R TEH NUB. |
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Juzo
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 20:28:00 -
[1801]
against
__________________________ /|I came, I saw, I burped.| |
Taius Pax
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 22:48:00 -
[1802]
Edited by: Taius Pax on 10/08/2008 22:48:49 against
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Eran Mintor
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
|
Posted - 2008.08.10 23:48:00 -
[1803]
/Signed
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Mikhalio
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 00:20:00 -
[1804]
Bump
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 01:08:00 -
[1805]
Edited by: Grant Smith on 11/08/2008 01:07:53 This proposed nerf is the best thing that's come to Eve since evar. If this nerf doesn't go ahead the PvP factor of eve will be pwned beyond any control, it will spiral to extinction. Nerf nanos 4tw.
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Sugarush
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.11 01:40:00 -
[1806]
As a crow pilot, I endorse this topic.
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WarmWaffles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:40:00 -
[1807]
I support this topic
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Zhang Shicheng
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 05:38:00 -
[1808]
AGAINST
Avoid changing the rules to a game after it is in play. Poor gamemanship.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:26:00 -
[1809]
Edited by: Morel Nova on 11/08/2008 10:27:11 against the "doomsday" approach to patching. nerfing polycarbs and snakes would have been enough.
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Azazzel
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 11:41:00 -
[1810]
Edited by: Azazzel on 11/08/2008 11:41:56 AGAINST nano nerf
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Supremacy 266
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 17:00:00 -
[1811]
Aganst
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carleyjones
Caldari Blood and Silver
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 18:11:00 -
[1812]
Against
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Gaunty
Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 18:14:00 -
[1813]
Against
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Stan KaBlam
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.11 19:34:00 -
[1814]
Agin'
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.12 02:54:00 -
[1815]
The proposed changes are entirely too all encompassing in completely flipping current combat mechanics. This will cause a lot of changes within the combat system at once ending in utter turmoil for the players. Nerfing snakes and poly's is enough.
These other changes are going to kill current mechanics and strategy/tactics. If CCP want to introduce these changes they need to do them over a longer time-frame instead of all at once. Many new pilots are just getting a grasp on combat mechanics, this is going to flip their world upside down.
--
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Malaa Sarena
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Posted - 2008.08.12 10:11:00 -
[1816]
Strongly AGAINST the nerf.
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Lyra Blazing
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:38:00 -
[1817]
This is no nano nerf. This is lets make all ships move like bricks.
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cheese monkey
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:59:00 -
[1818]
Edited by: cheese monkey on 12/08/2008 13:59:05 CCP will loose my 4 accounts. Not because of the nerf, but because i dont support any service that doesnt listen to their customers as much as CCP does. its insulting! bunch of whiners... oh no nos is bad... oh no speed is bad... y not nerf everything so we can all fly round in pwn mobiles!!
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Maurice Bourdon
Deep Space Exploration Squad Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2008.08.12 15:09:00 -
[1819]
against the nerf
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Eelyen
Digital Fury Corporation
|
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:53:00 -
[1820]
Edited by: Eelyen on 12/08/2008 17:53:18 /signed
|
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Conwright
Digital assassins
|
Posted - 2008.08.12 20:51:00 -
[1821]
AGAINST
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Equlibri
|
Posted - 2008.08.13 08:16:00 -
[1822]
AGAINST
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Gmoorick
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.08.13 10:28:00 -
[1823]
Edited by: Gmoorick on 13/08/2008 10:35:18 /signed.
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Sadrinna
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.13 12:06:00 -
[1824]
signed
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StormDiver
|
Posted - 2008.08.14 19:29:00 -
[1825]
Edited by: StormDiver on 14/08/2008 19:37:51 Against.
Added: nano nerf is killing solo warfare IMO. |
Zaenna Dark4ngel
|
Posted - 2008.08.14 19:33:00 -
[1826]
Against nano nerf as proposed because I am against blob warfare . . . and thought CCP was trying to work to discourage blob warfare - nor encourage it.
Did not CCP say they were working to move away from blob warfare?
|
Mr Ignitious
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.14 20:20:00 -
[1827]
Def against
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Yerik Locke
The New Order.
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 07:58:00 -
[1828]
Edited by: Yerik Locke on 15/08/2008 08:02:50 Edited by: Yerik Locke on 15/08/2008 07:59:09 Against.
I guess I still can't see the value of nerfing webifiers.
And anyway, perhaps some ships can still go too fast... but nanoships were a problem when you'd actually see them being used. They're not really that common anymore.
I hate to be cliche, but I agree - stealth Caldari boost. They're not really affected by it at all :\ But therein lies the problem, Caldari is not -supposed- to be the best PVP race. They are a fantastic gang race.
Keep it that way, CCP! Don't blend everything together! I want real reasons based on play style to pick one ship over the other, not just because of how it looks in space! :(
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Wardor
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 10:26:00 -
[1829]
Against it.
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Vic Brunner
Minmatar Beach Boys BeachBoys
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 11:55:00 -
[1830]
Against =========================== there is no force, no money and no power, to stop us now and change our fate Beach Boys |
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StainLessStealRat
101010 Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 11:55:00 -
[1831]
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Emperor Ryan
Imperial Syndicate Forces
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 13:10:00 -
[1832]
against
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Serious Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 18:58:00 -
[1833]
Changes need to be made. The proposals on test however are TOO drastic. One thing at a time in my opinion.
I like the 'scram turns MWD off' idea I think that nano's and polys should stack I think that OD's and Aux thrusters should stack
I don't think OD's and Nano's should stack, they affect completely different attributes of a ship! Drop that bit and the change gets a bit more balance IMO -- Noble Scumbag
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Dirtball
PinK TacO Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.08.15 23:09:00 -
[1834]
I have 2 chars with 4 clones each with a head full of snakes
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DiamondEdges
Black Lotus Foundation Damned Pirates
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Posted - 2008.08.16 03:01:00 -
[1835]
Edited by: DiamondEdges on 16/08/2008 03:01:31 The nerf as stated in the blog is udderly unfair and unbalanced. While I agree ships need to have a cap put on speed for it's ship class I do not agree that the nerf as it is proposed right now.
problems I see-
Interceptors will no longer be capable of doing their designed roles
Warp disruptors will be over powered and cause unstable game play options for smaller ships and gangs designed to move fast as a counter to larger fleets or for the intentions of tackle and actual interception
you're making ships far slower, and nerfing all forms of speed moduals and then making some of this completely redundant by suggesting that webs need to be nerfed.
All in all wether you like nanoed ships " wich by the way are no longer actually nano ships already due to nano nerfs prior " or you don't like them speedy guys, the real point is speed is suppose to be a legit part to this game as designed by ccp in the form of ships with bonuses to go fast, and have mwd duration bonuses.
On a scale of 1-10 this nerf gets a 10 on the " not thought out prior to publication " system
I highly suggest people look into this fully and without emotion or favortisim and come to a feasable and proper means of reducing over speed ships that should NOT go as fast as they can right now. IE: battle ships, bc's and yes even hacs can go at speeds they should not be capable of.
I did come up with a thought, wich is sure to have some if not full out rejection. But I was thinking a possible dammage drawback to making ships too fast for it's ship type.
IE: A battleship given a max safe speed of 1.2 kms would take dammage to the hull wich will eventually end in destruction of the ship for going over it's intended speed for the ship class.
This in fact would be closer to a real life situation where as the structure is only made to take so much thrust and speed on certian moving objects before the structure becomes dammaged and unstable.
Just a thought " smack away "
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Efdi
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 04:32:00 -
[1836]
Nanos may need a bit of toning down, but these changes are absurd. _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Izo Alabaster
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 15:52:00 -
[1837]
Against, but only because it seems CCP will bork it all up worse with their proposed changes than it already is.
|
Julius Rigel
House Rigel
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 16:36:00 -
[1838]
AGAINST
The intention is good, but the approach is all wrong. Don't nerf speed as an entirety just because it's being used generously in pvp. And let's all face it, blobs are not fun. If I hadn't already given up pvp for the foreseeable future, I would threaten to give up pvp! <insert angry fist shaking here>
Julius Rigel, NPC-PC equal rights activist! |
Yelram
AnTi.
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 20:41:00 -
[1839]
/signed
Why does CCP hate my Brutor roots?
|
Montaron
Celestial Asylum
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 21:04:00 -
[1840]
Against! -------------------------------------------
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Thorensen
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 22:15:00 -
[1841]
Against
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ian666
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 22:18:00 -
[1842]
against
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LLeugh
Starlancers
|
Posted - 2008.08.17 23:24:00 -
[1843]
Cheers felysta
Sheer insanity. A scrambler shutting down your microwarp drive will turn all frigs into flying coffins.
If you are not living life on the edge you are taking up too much room
|
Max Deth
|
Posted - 2008.08.18 20:10:00 -
[1844]
against. |
Amarr Holymight
Bat Country Vanguard.
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 02:32:00 -
[1845]
|
Mandinka
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 02:34:00 -
[1846]
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Kareena Evol
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 02:35:00 -
[1847]
|
Xlex Dominator
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 06:20:00 -
[1848]
Against
Needed to be looked at, but not crazy nerf |
SuperSarge
FIRMA Cosa Nostra.
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 08:33:00 -
[1849]
Edited by: SuperSarge on 19/08/2008 08:33:28 current nerfbat to big. |
Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 08:51:00 -
[1850]
[X] Support |
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Alkeena
Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 09:37:00 -
[1851]
Hamfisted attempt |
Relyen
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 13:39:00 -
[1852]
I am Relyen and I approve this message. |
prdelac
Caldari 47R THE R0NIN
|
Posted - 2008.08.19 15:36:00 -
[1853]
the nano nerf is to hard hitting one is needed jsut not the one CCP is planing |
Amarr Holymight
Bat Country Vanguard.
|
Posted - 2008.08.20 02:01:00 -
[1854]
Originally by: Serious Rikk Changes need to be made. The proposals on test however are TOO drastic. One thing at a time in my opinion.
I like the 'scram turns MWD off' idea I think that nano's and polys should stack I think that OD's and Aux thrusters should stack
I don't think OD's and Nano's should stack, they affect completely different attributes of a ship! Drop that bit and the change gets a bit more balance IMO
This makes sense to me something I thought myself might work. |
sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.08.20 18:17:00 -
[1855]
Almost two thousand replies to this thread.
Will be interesting to see if CCP even notice.
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N0N4M3
Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2008.08.20 18:49:00 -
[1856]
I support the nano nerf |
MentaFox
The Chaotic Order Void.
|
Posted - 2008.08.21 13:52:00 -
[1857]
yo |
Thaanvanite
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.08.21 17:37:00 -
[1858]
I liked diamond's idea of taking damage once a ship goes past a certain speed, so long as the speed caps are reasonable and still give the option of speed tanking.
I loath the day in EVE where my only option is to throw plates or extenders on my ship and hope our blob is bigger than the hostiles. |
Kira Lady
|
Posted - 2008.08.22 06:12:00 -
[1859]
AGAINST
|
cain mjolnir
|
Posted - 2008.08.22 08:03:00 -
[1860]
against the nerf
|
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Concordh8er
|
Posted - 2008.08.22 08:04:00 -
[1861]
|
Ghost IX
|
Posted - 2008.08.22 08:05:00 -
[1862]
nerf is too harsh
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
|
Posted - 2008.08.22 17:57:00 -
[1863]
Against the nerf. Increment missile speed, explosion velocity, and add 200% falloff on webs.
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Amarr Holymight
Bat Country Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.22 19:10:00 -
[1864]
Good ideas Semkhet you should clik the box to actually vote against it. Web falloff is a great idea imo but not voting properly here is a bad one .
|
nofeel
|
Posted - 2008.08.22 20:53:00 -
[1865]
against
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
|
Posted - 2008.08.23 18:14:00 -
[1866]
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Xasz
AnTi.
|
Posted - 2008.08.24 06:27:00 -
[1867]
Against.
--Random Links:-- eve-pirate.com, read and share your Yarr adventures Ransom Boards, get one for your corp |
Shadow Sapphire
|
Posted - 2008.08.24 06:32:00 -
[1868]
MY slepnir won't kick ass anymore but then again I can finaly stop using nanos .
Speed tanks need some serious balancing , althou it's funny as hell seing a whole gang of idiots trying to shut you down while you blow them out of the sky 1 by 1
But one a more serious note , when was the last time you tooks a armor/shield tannk over speed/dps .
Atm speed needs to be nerfed a bit .
Not suported .
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PriceCheckAlt
|
Posted - 2008.08.24 06:46:00 -
[1869]
Originally by: Shadow Sapphire
But one a more serious note , when was the last time you tooks a armor/shield tannk over speed/dps .
Snipers, RR BS gangs, capitals. So basically anytime we're trying to deny someone the use of a system or heavy defenses are present.
|
Robocop
Reikoku Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.08.25 11:40:00 -
[1870]
AGAINST
|
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fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
|
Posted - 2008.08.25 13:19:00 -
[1871]
These kind of ideas make me wonder why devs even try to play this game and still come up with these terrible ideas.
Just fix what's causing this by adjusting it slightly to get a viable compromise. Stuff like tweaking percentages to downsize the speed gain from eightfold to sixfold for interceptors, to fourfold for cruisers and twofold for BS. Or if you have your head full of snakes your MWD will get heat dmg after 10 cycles (+metalevel). |
Die Warzau
|
Posted - 2008.08.25 14:20:00 -
[1872]
Against. Too heavy handed for the intended objective. I support some of the mass rebalancing to make frigates and AFs faster, and the web nerf, but that's about all. Instead, nerf stacking if "ludicrous speed" is the real problem.
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Sylvmar
Gallente
|
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:21:00 -
[1873]
Against nerf.
CCP are either a wielding a very large and over-compensated nerf bat or they are trying to introduce many less justified changes under the guise of a nano nerf
|
iLike ISK
|
Posted - 2008.08.27 04:27:00 -
[1874]
against
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SFX Bladerunner
Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2008.08.27 12:24:00 -
[1875]
I vote for matari friendliness
we need our speed, it's basically the only bloody thing we have left! __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Mellow Wind
|
Posted - 2008.08.29 17:39:00 -
[1876]
against
|
Zhang Shicheng
|
Posted - 2008.08.30 07:22:00 -
[1877]
Reduce blobs the game can not currently handle.
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Grunt MacHardFist
|
Posted - 2008.08.30 11:17:00 -
[1878]
My main character is a Gallente who flies Amarrian ships. Needless to say, a nano nerf would help me out tremendously. Even so, I am against it.
I enjoy the uphill challenge of countering nano tactics with my limited abilities. So why mess with it? I also like the thought of Minmatar ships out-running cruise missiles. That means that a Raven needs to rely on an interceptor to take down a nano fleet. So it builds teamwork. Is teamwork suddenly a bad enough thing that CCP should discourage it?
Finally, it's fun to zoom around at top speed. Period. This nano nerf is like the nation of India deciding to shave a few thousand feet off the top of Mt Everest. It's a waste of time, energy, and resources that's gonna change the way we look at the world, **** ppl off, and bog down CCP when they could be focusing on other issues, such as what new ships or skills to roll out in the next build.
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StoneCold
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 11:26:00 -
[1879]
Against the nerf.
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Icylce
Elektrum Bullet
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 18:56:00 -
[1880]
Edited by: Icylce on 31/08/2008 18:56:27 against the nerf
|
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tib0
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 20:01:00 -
[1881]
against
|
TpyIIoff
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 20:04:00 -
[1882]
against
|
Oun'zi
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 20:17:00 -
[1883]
AGAINST
|
Antyk Kelam
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 22:23:00 -
[1884]
AGAINST
|
Basicou France
|
Posted - 2008.08.31 23:21:00 -
[1885]
AGAINST
|
Templar Jindarri
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 10:28:00 -
[1886]
Against |
JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 11:29:00 -
[1887]
Against. I'm so against the nerf I figured I would state it two times, a month apart. |
Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 13:38:00 -
[1888]
Edited by: Havohej on 01/09/2008 13:39:03 If a single 10M SP Hurricane pilot can kill a nano'd Rapier with AutoCannons, then it can't be that "broken" can it?
|
HypnotiX
Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 14:34:00 -
[1889]
AGAINST |
Brisingia
|
Posted - 2008.09.01 18:23:00 -
[1890]
Against this stupid "nerf". Try to balance it another way and stop this UBAR-pimped pirate-imp-sets (not only snake)! |
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MoriaCZ
Elektrum Bullet
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:30:00 -
[1891]
Against!!! Just keep flying, just keep flying... :)
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Lady Izabell
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:32:00 -
[1892]
HELL YEAH!!! AGAINST!!!!!!!!!
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Lady Izabell
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:32:00 -
[1893]
HELL YEAH!!! AGAINST!!!!!!!!!
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Jane Blacke
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:33:00 -
[1894]
against
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Jane Blacke
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:33:00 -
[1895]
against
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Cacorka
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:37:00 -
[1896]
against
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Cacorka
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:37:00 -
[1897]
Edited by: Cacorka on 02/09/2008 15:37:30 Against
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ViTkoo
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:34:00 -
[1898]
AGAINST!!!
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ViTkoo
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:34:00 -
[1899]
AGAINST!!!
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Ley Lee
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:36:00 -
[1900]
Against.
Whole idea is good - invulnerability "nano" must die, but by other methods.
CCP, think twice more strongly - I beliEVE in the best way ! :)
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Ley Lee
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:36:00 -
[1901]
Against.
Whole idea is good - invulnerability "nano" must die, but by other methods.
CCP, think twice more strongly - I beliEVE in the best way ! :)
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SpecialGrade Cyborg
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 21:17:00 -
[1902]
Against.
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SpecialGrade Cyborg
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 21:17:00 -
[1903]
Against.
|
Lolos Amarr
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 01:47:00 -
[1904]
Mebe.....
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Lolos Amarr
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 01:47:00 -
[1905]
Mebe.....
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Rudebwoy
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 01:52:00 -
[1906]
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Rudebwoy
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 01:52:00 -
[1907]
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Umberto Tann
NED-Clan
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 07:25:00 -
[1908]
Against
|
Umberto Tann
NED-Clan
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 07:25:00 -
[1909]
Against
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Rethyl
Valkyries of Night
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 18:59:00 -
[1910]
I think some minor nano nerf is OK, but if the nerf is implemented as described in the dev blog, it would totally throw the balance of the whole game out of whack.
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Rethyl
Valkyries of Night
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 18:59:00 -
[1911]
I think some minor nano nerf is OK, but if the nerf is implemented as described in the dev blog, it would totally throw the balance of the whole game out of whack.
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Montmorency
No Nerdrage Blue Sun Trust
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 20:10:00 -
[1912]
Against
And just a thought that I think could end all the nerfs
Swap the Amarr and Minmatar Recon Bonus'
They are fighting each other.... so why the hell are their ships designed against each other rather then against the opposite race???
Minmatar = Speed and Web.... wtf Amarr = Tank and Neut...... wtf
Give the Minmatar the Neut Bonus' and the Amarr the web bonus.... the curse's value will drop slightly but it will balance EVERYTHING!!
Montmorency CEO of No Nerdrage [NEERD] Head of Blue Sun Trust [BOOST] |
Montmorency
No Nerdrage Blades of Serenity
|
Posted - 2008.09.05 20:10:00 -
[1913]
Against
And just a thought that I think could end all the nerfs
Swap the Amarr and Minmatar Recon Bonus'
They are fighting each other.... so why the hell are their ships designed against each other rather then against the opposite race???
Minmatar = Speed and Web.... wtf Amarr = Tank and Neut...... wtf
Give the Minmatar the Neut Bonus' and the Amarr the web bonus.... the curse's value will drop slightly but it will balance EVERYTHING!!
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Gramtar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.09.06 20:21:00 -
[1914]
Against the speed changes that were on sisi, as they constituted a huge buff (more to heavy missiles than anything) to caldari and nerf to the two benefits for flying minmatar (webs and speed tanking).
A proper speed adjustment would be to the effectiveness of certain implants (primarily high grade snakes), and perhaps extending a portion of the minmatar recon/eas web range bonus to a T1 ship like the Bellicose. In addition, two particularly overpowered ships could have their base speed and agility adjusted downward, the Sacriledge and Ishtar, as their bonuses permit them to do significant damage without tracking issues. Of these two, the Sacriledge is more overpowered than the Ishtar.
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Gramtar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.09.06 20:21:00 -
[1915]
Against the speed changes that were on sisi, as they constituted a huge buff (more to heavy missiles than anything) to caldari and nerf to the two benefits for flying minmatar (webs and speed tanking).
A proper speed adjustment would be to the effectiveness of certain implants (primarily high grade snakes), and perhaps extending a portion of the minmatar recon/eas web range bonus to a T1 ship like the Bellicose. In addition, two particularly overpowered ships could have their base speed and agility adjusted downward, the Sacriledge and Ishtar, as their bonuses permit them to do significant damage without tracking issues. Of these two, the Sacriledge is more overpowered than the Ishtar.
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Daikir
Amarr Bushwhackers
|
Posted - 2008.09.07 01:42:00 -
[1916]
Against. Fix the nano problem without throwing the whole game off balance. These changes affect everyone, in special blasterboats too much.
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Daikir
Amarr Bushwhackers
|
Posted - 2008.09.07 01:42:00 -
[1917]
Against. Fix the nano problem without throwing the whole game off balance. These changes affect everyone, in special blasterboats too much.
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freed0m rus
Starbridge
|
Posted - 2008.09.08 15:57:00 -
[1918]
/against.
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freed0m rus
Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
|
Posted - 2008.09.08 15:57:00 -
[1919]
/against.
|
Steamroll McGee
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Militia
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 10:22:00 -
[1920]
|
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Steamroll McGee
Capital Produce Free Trade Zone.
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 10:22:00 -
[1921]
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Gluecksbaerchi
Nocebo Industries Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 10:29:00 -
[1922]
supporting the op. CCP basicly says no to 5k-hacs which is achieved by snake sets, hardwirings and faction items. Obvious how to balance that, at least to me.
also dictors sub-5k aren't working, if you have a problem with the sabre, change the slot layout. |
Gluecksbaerchi
Nocebo Industries Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 10:29:00 -
[1923]
supporting the op. CCP basicly says no to 5k-hacs which is achieved by snake sets, hardwirings and faction items. Obvious how to balance that, at least to me.
also dictors sub-5k aren't working, if you have a problem with the sabre, change the slot layout.
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aSacHorYu
Black Nova Corp
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 10:35:00 -
[1924]
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aSacHorYu
Black Nova Corp
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 10:35:00 -
[1925]
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Pyro Explorer
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 13:12:00 -
[1926]
o.0
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Pyro Explorer
|
Posted - 2008.09.09 13:12:00 -
[1927]
o.0
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Ellohem
Amarr Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 12:03:00 -
[1928]
Edited by: Ellohem on 10/09/2008 12:05:47 *double post* laggy inet
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Ellohem
Amarr Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:03:00 -
[1929]
Edited by: Ellohem on 10/09/2008 12:05:47 *double post* laggy inet
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Ellohem
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 12:05:00 -
[1930]
/signed
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Ellohem
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 12:05:00 -
[1931]
/signed
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Mutius
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 12:36:00 -
[1932]
against
too much nerf, too little balance. |
Mutius
Tribal Liberation Force
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 12:36:00 -
[1933]
against
too much nerf, too little balance. |
Tallis Reomain
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 19:00:00 -
[1934]
I'm against the nano nerf. Yes, there should be a way to stop nano ships, BUT killing all speed related ships is not the way to do it.
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Tallis Reomain
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 19:00:00 -
[1935]
I'm against the nano nerf. Yes, there should be a way to stop nano ships, BUT killing all speed related ships is not the way to do it.
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Azzail
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 21:23:00 -
[1936]
Signed
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Azzail
|
Posted - 2008.09.10 21:23:00 -
[1937]
Signed
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JacKDynne
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
|
Posted - 2008.09.11 14:14:00 -
[1938]
AGAINST.
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JacKDynne
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
|
Posted - 2008.09.11 14:14:00 -
[1939]
AGAINST.
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T'aun
Heaven's Avatars
|
Posted - 2008.09.11 17:52:00 -
[1940]
Against
This game is too reliant on blob warfare as it is
|
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T'aun
Heaven's Avatars
|
Posted - 2008.09.11 17:52:00 -
[1941]
Against
This game is too reliant on blob warfare as it is
|
Northern Fighter
|
Posted - 2008.09.11 20:22:00 -
[1942]
Against
|
Northern Fighter
|
Posted - 2008.09.11 20:22:00 -
[1943]
Against
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Priory
|
Posted - 2008.09.12 04:28:00 -
[1944]
against
|
ThaDollaGenerale
The Priory
|
Posted - 2008.09.12 04:28:00 -
[1945]
against
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Havohej
Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.12 07:06:00 -
[1946]
I wonder if the fact that this thread has twice as many supports as the other thread will actually serve to influence anything.
Not trying to naysay the whole Assembly Hall/CSM scheme, I just really wonder.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Havohej
Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.12 07:06:00 -
[1947]
I wonder if the fact that this thread has twice as many supports as the other thread will actually serve to influence anything.
Not trying to naysay the whole Assembly Hall/CSM scheme, I just really wonder.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Chenrezig
|
Posted - 2008.09.13 20:56:00 -
[1948]
/against
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Chenrezig
|
Posted - 2008.09.13 20:56:00 -
[1949]
/against
|
Kanagawa
|
Posted - 2008.09.14 18:07:00 -
[1950]
against
|
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Kanagawa
|
Posted - 2008.09.14 18:07:00 -
[1951]
against
|
localhorse
|
Posted - 2008.09.16 01:18:00 -
[1952]
Against.
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localhorse
|
Posted - 2008.09.16 01:18:00 -
[1953]
Against.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 02:50:00 -
[1954]
keep it up, keep tellin everyone how stupid this idea was
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 02:50:00 -
[1955]
keep it up, keep tellin everyone how stupid this idea was
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Havohej
Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 04:10:00 -
[1956]
Originally by: Matrixcvd keep it up, keep tellin everyone how stupid this idea was
Confirming nano nerf was stupid idea.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Havohej
Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 04:10:00 -
[1957]
Originally by: Matrixcvd keep it up, keep tellin everyone how stupid this idea was
Confirming nano nerf was stupid idea.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Johnes Zakre
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 12:43:00 -
[1958]
Edited by: Johnes Zakre on 17/09/2008 12:46:29 against
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Johnes Zakre
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 12:43:00 -
[1959]
Edited by: Johnes Zakre on 17/09/2008 12:46:29 against
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Jeal Tersen
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 12:54:00 -
[1960]
Edited by: Jeal Tersen on 17/09/2008 12:54:31 against
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Jeal Tersen
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 12:54:00 -
[1961]
Edited by: Jeal Tersen on 17/09/2008 12:54:31 against
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Enne
Slacker Industries
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 22:50:00 -
[1962]
Change needs to be made, but not this one. Try again. |
Enne
Slacker Industries
|
Posted - 2008.09.17 22:50:00 -
[1963]
Change needs to be made, but not this one. Try again. |
RedLion
Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.18 03:36:00 -
[1964]
I'm for the nano nerf, but it should be a lot bigger! I want to wtfbbq solo everything in my Raven with cruise missiles!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
RedLion
Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.18 03:36:00 -
[1965]
I'm for the nano nerf, but it should be a lot bigger! I want to wtfbbq solo everything in my Raven with cruise missiles!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
Sweet Rosella
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2008.09.18 16:11:00 -
[1966]
Speed is fine, infact its more fun, using skill to fly your ship instead of just stting there to see who can last the longiest, but that can be fun to
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Sweet Rosella
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2008.09.18 16:11:00 -
[1967]
Speed is fine, infact its more fun, using skill to fly your ship instead of just stting there to see who can last the longiest, but that can be fun to
|
Sid Xr
|
Posted - 2008.09.25 08:13:00 -
[1968]
Against
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Sid Xr
|
Posted - 2008.09.25 08:13:00 -
[1969]
Against
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Alvar Kesh
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 14:24:00 -
[1970]
|
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Alvar Kesh
Ealurian Wolves Aegis Militia
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 14:24:00 -
[1971]
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Pheonix Kanan
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.10.05 14:13:00 -
[1972]
I agree with this topic -----
|
Pheonix Kanan
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.10.05 14:13:00 -
[1973]
I agree with this topic -----
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Gaelenus
The Scope
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 00:52:00 -
[1974]
|
Gaelenus
The Scope
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 00:52:00 -
[1975]
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Miriyaka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 02:18:00 -
[1976]
Broad nerfs don't balance games.
'Invincibe nanoships' explode by the hundreds every day. I try to make sure that I'm responsible for a bunch of those. I can't get behind anything that takes away all of the satisfaction of making an extremely challenging tackle and podding an 800m isk implant set. Eve is all about buying performance, and then losing your investment to a tiny mistake. Don't change that. |
Miriyaka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 02:18:00 -
[1977]
Broad nerfs don't balance games.
'Invincibe nanoships' explode by the hundreds every day. I try to make sure that I'm responsible for a bunch of those. I can't get behind anything that takes away all of the satisfaction of making an extremely challenging tackle and podding an 800m isk implant set. Eve is all about buying performance, and then losing your investment to a tiny mistake. Don't change that. |
Renax
Red Tides
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 03:57:00 -
[1978]
/ME IS AGAINST
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Renax
Red Tides
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 03:57:00 -
[1979]
/ME IS AGAINST
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Hurfy McDurfy
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 09:10:00 -
[1980]
Edited by: Hurfy McDurfy on 09/10/2008 09:10:37 Im fully against the nano nerf, speed makes this game fun, and excessive speed makes it awesome.
With that said, totally raping minmatar by doing both a nano nerf and a web nerf will make the rapier about as useful as an ass-frig
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Hurfy McDurfy
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 09:10:00 -
[1981]
Edited by: Hurfy McDurfy on 09/10/2008 09:10:37 Im fully against the nano nerf, speed makes this game fun, and excessive speed makes it awesome.
With that said, totally raping minmatar by doing both a nano nerf and a web nerf will make the rapier about as useful as an ass-frig
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Cassandra Trotter
Trotters Independent Trading
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 12:49:00 -
[1982]
/Against
Such a heavy handed nerf dumbs down one of the few aspects of the game that requires more skill than F1-F8... Actually flying a ship that's paper thin and worth a significant amount of isk.
There are numerous ways to counter fast ships if you apply yourself to pvp and don't expect it to be the same as shooting NPCs. A tackling frigate and a T1 fit blackbird is all it takes to counter a nano ship.
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Cassandra Trotter
Trotters Independent Trading
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 12:49:00 -
[1983]
/Against
Such a heavy handed nerf dumbs down one of the few aspects of the game that requires more skill than F1-F8... Actually flying a ship that's paper thin and worth a significant amount of isk.
There are numerous ways to counter fast ships if you apply yourself to pvp and don't expect it to be the same as shooting NPCs. A tackling frigate and a T1 fit blackbird is all it takes to counter a nano ship.
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 13:48:00 -
[1984]
Originally by: Miriyaka Broad nerfs don't balance games.
'Invincibe nanoships' explode by the hundreds every day. I try to make sure that I'm responsible for a bunch of those. I can't get behind anything that takes away all of the satisfaction of making an extremely challenging tackle and podding an 800m isk implant set. Eve is all about buying performance, and then losing your investment to a tiny mistake. Don't change that.
Nice idea, shame it doesn't work too well when the Vaga starts going over 14km/s. I am against this entire thread. Farjung is my God |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 13:48:00 -
[1985]
Originally by: Miriyaka Broad nerfs don't balance games.
'Invincibe nanoships' explode by the hundreds every day. I try to make sure that I'm responsible for a bunch of those. I can't get behind anything that takes away all of the satisfaction of making an extremely challenging tackle and podding an 800m isk implant set. Eve is all about buying performance, and then losing your investment to a tiny mistake. Don't change that.
Nice idea, shame it doesn't work too well when the Vaga starts going over 14km/s. I am against this entire thread. Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Esmenet
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 14:25:00 -
[1986]
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Esmenet
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 14:25:00 -
[1987]
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 22:06:00 -
[1988]
Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Miriyaka Broad nerfs don't balance games.
'Invincibe nanoships' explode by the hundreds every day. I try to make sure that I'm responsible for a bunch of those. I can't get behind anything that takes away all of the satisfaction of making an extremely challenging tackle and podding an 800m isk implant set. Eve is all about buying performance, and then losing your investment to a tiny mistake. Don't change that.
Nice idea, shame it doesn't work too well when the Vaga starts going over 14km/s. I am against this entire thread.
I'm against your posting.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.10.09 22:06:00 -
[1989]
Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Miriyaka Broad nerfs don't balance games.
'Invincibe nanoships' explode by the hundreds every day. I try to make sure that I'm responsible for a bunch of those. I can't get behind anything that takes away all of the satisfaction of making an extremely challenging tackle and podding an 800m isk implant set. Eve is all about buying performance, and then losing your investment to a tiny mistake. Don't change that.
Nice idea, shame it doesn't work too well when the Vaga starts going over 14km/s. I am against this entire thread.
I'm against your posting.
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bowk
Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 04:41:00 -
[1990]
nano requires player skill and is fun. against.
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bowk
Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 04:41:00 -
[1991]
nano requires player skill and is fun. against.
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Oodlebang Slipslop
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 06:30:00 -
[1992]
CCP need to get a grip tbh
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Oodlebang Slipslop
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 06:30:00 -
[1993]
CCP need to get a grip tbh
|
Doxs Roxs
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 09:07:00 -
[1994]
Dont kill roaming in EvE, jumping 100 jumps in slow ass ships is booring as hell! After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead... |
Doxs Roxs
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 09:07:00 -
[1995]
Dont kill roaming in EvE, jumping 100 jumps in slow ass ships is booring as hell! After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead... |
Solcypher
The Priory
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:18:00 -
[1996]
There is a problem with the very high end nano setups. Rather than addressing these type of setups, the 'fix' is to effectively remove this type of setup completely?
In their currently proposed form, I am against the changes.
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Solcypher
The Priory
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:18:00 -
[1997]
There is a problem with the very high end nano setups. Rather than addressing these type of setups, the 'fix' is to effectively remove this type of setup completely?
In their currently proposed form, I am against the changes.
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Mike Yass
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:21:00 -
[1998]
there is no reason to eliminate a perfectly good form of gameplay with such a heavy handed nerf, even with the new changes.
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Mike Yass
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:21:00 -
[1999]
there is no reason to eliminate a perfectly good form of gameplay with such a heavy handed nerf, even with the new changes.
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Poast Warrior
Imperial Academy
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:27:00 -
[2000]
Against. Balancing ludicrous speed is fine, but a general speed nerf is a bad idea.
Originally by: Kiay Stryx
Your an idiot.
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Poast Warrior
Imperial Academy
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:27:00 -
[2001]
Against. Balancing ludicrous speed is fine, but a general speed nerf is a bad idea.
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Lord Amentia
Art of War
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 21:23:00 -
[2002]
Minor nerf maybe, but not the nerf currently suggested. |
Lord Amentia
Art of War
|
Posted - 2008.10.10 21:23:00 -
[2003]
Minor nerf maybe, but not the nerf currently suggested.
|
BiggestT
Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
|
Posted - 2008.10.11 04:43:00 -
[2004]
Sorry, game-over try again CCP? In otherwords no, shove those changes up your hairy behind Awesome EVE history
Missiles ba-oom! |
BiggestT
Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
|
Posted - 2008.10.11 04:43:00 -
[2005]
Sorry, game-over try again CCP? In otherwords no, shove those changes up your hairy behind Awesome EVE history
Missiles ba-oom! |
Butzewutze
|
Posted - 2008.10.11 08:21:00 -
[2006]
AGAINST THE NERF!
Modules should be tweaked, maybe tune some imps too but the current nerf is really to much and imbalances the whole game.
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Butzewutze
|
Posted - 2008.10.11 08:21:00 -
[2007]
AGAINST THE NERF!
Modules should be tweaked, maybe tune some imps too but the current nerf is really to much and imbalances the whole game.
|
tymus procura
|
Posted - 2008.10.11 12:25:00 -
[2008]
against
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tymus procura
|
Posted - 2008.10.11 12:25:00 -
[2009]
against
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GIJoeDirtbag
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.10.12 05:24:00 -
[2010]
AGAINST.
Stop penalizing people who have spent well over a month to get into the best ships in game, only to effectively toss that all away.
There are going to be a lot of people quitting, probably myself included, if all of the time I spent training vagas, rapiers, and all of the isk I've spent pimping polycarb'd Gisti crows just goes away like it never happened.
Flying the best ships takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of skill, and a LOT of isk. That is what balances speed. Learning how to avoid or counter attack nano-gangs is a necessary feature in this game, the same as learning how to counter the best weapons systems in real life is a constantly pursued goal by defense contractors.
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GIJoeDirtbag
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.12 05:27:00 -
[2011]
Edited by: GIJoeDirtbag on 12/10/2008 05:27:15 I also think that it's absolutely laughable that a company so dedicated to roleplaying aspects of a game gives set laws of physics, forces everyone to get used to them, and then decides that they just want to arbitrarily change the laws of physics as if God would change the laws of gravity to make the olympics more fair for fat people.
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GIJoeDirtbag
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.12 05:27:00 -
[2012]
Edited by: GIJoeDirtbag on 12/10/2008 05:27:15 I also think that it's absolutely laughable that a company so dedicated to roleplaying aspects of a game gives set laws of physics, forces everyone to get used to them, and then decides that they just want to arbitrarily change the laws of physics as if God would change the laws of gravity to make the olympics more fair for fat people.
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Cornette
Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.12 11:52:00 -
[2013]
Edited by: Cornette on 12/10/2008 11:53:32 I am voting against the nerf of speeds even though I was for a nerf of ludicrous speeds in the beginning. Why? Because CCP seems unable to fix a broken aspect of the game without breaking others in the process. Nor do I like that they want to make the game easier for defenders and owners of space and drastically make "guerrilla warfare" less viable.
Nozh mentioned that the speed was fine in "2004" and that I believe is the problem. We have a dev with a "2004" mindset that want to drastically alter "2008".
And that's my reason why I can't vote "yes".
Edit: forgot to klick the support-idea-thingy.
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Cornette
Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.12 11:52:00 -
[2014]
Edited by: Cornette on 12/10/2008 11:53:32 I am voting against the nerf of speeds even though I was for a nerf of ludicrous speeds in the beginning. Why? Because CCP seems unable to fix a broken aspect of the game without breaking others in the process. Nor do I like that they want to make the game easier for defenders and owners of space and drastically make "guerrilla warfare" less viable.
Nozh mentioned that the speed was fine in "2004" and that I believe is the problem. We have a dev with a "2004" mindset that want to drastically alter "2008".
And that's my reason why I can't vote "yes".
Edit: forgot to klick the support-idea-thingy.
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Blind Jhon
Amarr Alenia psy departement
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:19:00 -
[2015]
just no your 650mmII autocannon perfectly turn of wreking your untanked minmatar ship |
Blind Jhon
Amarr Alenia psy departement
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:19:00 -
[2016]
just no your 650mmII autocannon perfectly turn of wreking your untanked minmatar ship |
Sandrinne Mirterois
Minmatar Alenia Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:21:00 -
[2017]
3 month skills for the vagabond.
now
1) 3 monts money back
2)3 months of skillpoint bonus i can cange, let's say for the deimos
3) stop nerfing everything -------- ...qui repentius currunt.... don't need to tank =) |
Sandrinne Mirterois
Minmatar Alenia Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:21:00 -
[2018]
3 month skills for the vagabond.
now
1) 3 monts money back
2)3 months of skillpoint bonus i can cange, let's say for the deimos
3) stop nerfing everything -------- ...qui repentius currunt.... don't need to tank =) |
bigjava
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:28:00 -
[2019]
nano nerf = roaming nerf
why not nerf antimatter? why not nerf fof missiles? why not nerf falcons? why not nerf mitnal? why not nerf stargates's sentries? why not nerf concord bilboard? why not nerf the dominix? why not nerf tachions? and why no nerf veldspar?
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bigjava
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:28:00 -
[2020]
nano nerf = roaming nerf
why not nerf antimatter? why not nerf fof missiles? why not nerf falcons? why not nerf mitnal? why not nerf stargates's sentries? why not nerf concord bilboard? why not nerf the dominix? why not nerf tachions? and why no nerf veldspar?
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SAI Peregrinus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.13 08:58:00 -
[2021]
I vote No. I'd be fine with the suggestion to make MWDs turn off other modules like cloaks do, as long as ABs got a buff to help.
No ship should ever be invulnerable, but the nerf as described is doing it wrong.
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SAI Peregrinus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.13 08:58:00 -
[2022]
I vote No. I'd be fine with the suggestion to make MWDs turn off other modules like cloaks do, as long as ABs got a buff to help.
No ship should ever be invulnerable, but the nerf as described is doing it wrong.
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Lady Bollocknose
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
[2023]
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Lady Bollocknose
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
[2024]
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lordjoel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:55:00 -
[2025]
i am completely against this change, and i almost never fly nano. It is easy enough to counter and harder to do than than the carebears would think. This change would also make it impossible to bump ships out of the docking radius of a station leading to ungodly amount of docking/undocking station games.
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lordjoel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:55:00 -
[2026]
i am completely against this change, and i almost never fly nano. It is easy enough to counter and harder to do than than the carebears would think. This change would also make it impossible to bump ships out of the docking radius of a station leading to ungodly amount of docking/undocking station games.
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foxclaw
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:00:00 -
[2027]
against this crap
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foxclaw
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:00:00 -
[2028]
against this crap
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Wolf Soldier
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:21:00 -
[2029]
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Wolf Soldier
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:21:00 -
[2030]
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MaDeX
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:18:00 -
[2031]
I'm against the nano nerf
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MaDeX
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:18:00 -
[2032]
I'm against the nano nerf
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Innate Carnage
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:19:00 -
[2033]
Yes way, stop this nerf!!
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Innate Carnage
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:19:00 -
[2034]
Yes way, stop this nerf!!
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Jeffery Lebowskie
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:26:00 -
[2035]
AGAINST
Yeah no I don't think this a good idea at all,
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Jeffery Lebowskie
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:26:00 -
[2036]
AGAINST
Yeah no I don't think this a good idea at all,
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PainMiester
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:18:00 -
[2037]
i am against the nanno nerf- its not hard to kill a nano-vaga-or ishtar-- there are ships and tatics for that if ya cant handle that go back to carebear land---- if your gonna be in 0.0 grow some and stop crying--and o yea time to pay for your training muhahahahah
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PainMiester
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:18:00 -
[2038]
i am against the nanno nerf- its not hard to kill a nano-vaga-or ishtar-- there are ships and tatics for that if ya cant handle that go back to carebear land---- if your gonna be in 0.0 grow some and stop crying--and o yea time to pay for your training muhahahahah
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the blender
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:45:00 -
[2039]
I'm against the nano nerf cus'ummmmm I live in fountain which is conveniently placed for snake droppage and autumn walks, so long live the nano ***. "I'm gonna put you in a little dress and pod you!" |
the blender
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:45:00 -
[2040]
Edited by: the blender on 14/10/2008 23:20:48 I'm against the nano nerf cus'ummmmm I live in fountain which is conveniently placed for snake droppage and autumn walks, so long live the nano ***. "I'm gonna put you in a little dress and pod you!" |
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Piuro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:10:00 -
[2041]
Dear CCP:
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Piuro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:10:00 -
[2042]
Dear CCP:
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Brka
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:24:00 -
[2043]
Edited by: Brka on 15/10/2008 06:26:09 Edited by: Brka on 15/10/2008 06:25:15 Voting NO against the nano nerf. Terrible idea. Too heavy handed.
Approach it differently. Removing a style of play instead of finding ideas and new roles (new ships) to counter blobs as well as nanos is more interesting and creative.
Again so far I see this as another bad idea from the devs. You guys need some civil or mechanical engineers on that dev squad I swear. 69 pages of no votes against 32 votes for the nerf. Yikes 2:1. Time to listen this time. Already accounts closing due to the GTC ( not whining just the truth) and now this? Where is a shark when when have the Fonz all ready for it.
Brka Brka Brka
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Brka
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:24:00 -
[2044]
Edited by: Brka on 15/10/2008 06:26:09 Edited by: Brka on 15/10/2008 06:25:15 Voting NO against the nano nerf. Terrible idea. Too heavy handed.
Approach it differently. Removing a style of play instead of finding ideas and new roles (new ships) to counter blobs as well as nanos is more interesting and creative.
Again so far I see this as another bad idea from the devs. You guys need some civil or mechanical engineers on that dev squad I swear. 69 pages of no votes against 32 votes for the nerf. Yikes 2:1. Time to listen this time. Already accounts closing due to the GTC ( not whining just the truth) and now this? Where is a shark when when have the Fonz all ready for it.
Brka Brka Brka
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Thargat
North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:09:00 -
[2045]
No nerf, no nerf, no nerf *brings torch and pichfork*
No seriously, a bit of fine tuning might be required tho.
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Tyremis
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:32:00 -
[2046]
Against the nerf if you can even call it a nerf. CCP has taken small gang warfare chopped it up into little pieces with a chainsaw and set it on fire. CCP YOU FAIL
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Melegaunt Tanthul
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.20 01:46:00 -
[2047]
Against the nerf passionately. It kills close range combat, roaming gangs and renders fragile ships useless alpha fodder.
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Paul99
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:27:00 -
[2048]
AGAINST. So... if you have no ideea how to pvp just make a blob and win, yee for the lag that comes with numbers. I agree that Snakes schould be nerfed but the this is WAY TOO MUCH, that a noob in an insured bs stays and only activates modules. This is the pvp you wont???I certanly do not and WILL NOT.
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Drad Lord
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Posted - 2008.10.21 10:47:00 -
[2049]
Against.
I fly minmatare ships more then half year mostly bs, if minmatare wouldnt have speed they die very quick even in pve...They now have useless arty, and only ac and speed may equivalent it with other race. Pitty why I canceled train my caldari character, then CCP boost missiles and they will be uber. Nerf web and all guns will be space trash. Look at minmatares, all of them train ammarian ships. Do you know anyone from other race who want train minmatare ships? or projectile arty? I like eve but CCP dont do it worst for people who want still stay with you.
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Capt Jita
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:24:00 -
[2050]
Totally against this move
I say Nerf the blob instead.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:56:00 -
[2051]
I say nerf them both. Nano***s and blobbers ruined this game.
_ Hooray for shitty marketing moves.
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Efrim Black
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:24:00 -
[2052]
Originally by: Raymond Sterns I say nerf them both. Nano***s and blobbers ruined this game.
QFT.
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Caleb Lich
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Posted - 2008.10.23 17:11:00 -
[2053]
WHY DON'T YOU JUST NERF EVE ?? |
batmoth
Cardinal Armada
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:02:00 -
[2054]
im totally against this nano nerf. its a stupid idea and when it comes to stupid ideas some one should pay... |
Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:19:00 -
[2055]
Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/10/2008 18:19:40
Originally by: Raymond Sterns I say nerf them both. Nano***s and blobbers ruined this game.
It's only a blob if you're not in it. If you're in it it's a strategic fleet. . |
Conlin
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:36:00 -
[2056]
Against ...... Nerf Carebears & CCP devs
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.10.23 23:20:00 -
[2057]
I WANT MY GALLENTE DPS BOAT BACK YOU BASTARDS! |
Sanity Lost
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Posted - 2008.10.24 07:35:00 -
[2058]
Down with the nano nerf.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Aeden
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Posted - 2008.10.24 20:46:00 -
[2059]
Fetchez la vache !
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Guev Ara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.25 07:15:00 -
[2060]
Against
Nano-nerf is fail Dirty Alt |
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.10.25 16:18:00 -
[2061]
Used to be for it, but its gone too far. DO NOT NERF BLASTERS. If CCP can't do this without making blasters even worse, they shouldn't do it. |
Neo Rainhart
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:03:00 -
[2062]
AGAINST! I SWEAR OF A FRICKIN' STORM!
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Tamash Maar
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2008.10.26 21:33:00 -
[2063]
"Aim towards the Enemy." - Instruction printed on U.S. Rocket Launcher |
L33T Lobo
Infestation.
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Posted - 2008.10.27 13:23:00 -
[2064]
Im against this poorly thought out nerf. |
Princess Mercury
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Posted - 2008.10.28 06:51:00 -
[2065]
against the nerf |
Lord Morloc
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 19:55:00 -
[2066]
/support
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XrayZ
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Posted - 2008.10.28 20:02:00 -
[2067]
down with the nerf! --------------------------------------
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DJ Geist
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Posted - 2008.10.28 21:33:00 -
[2068]
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Shirazz
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.28 22:19:00 -
[2069]
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Xenomorphea
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Posted - 2008.10.30 09:05:00 -
[2070]
AGAINST the nano nerf in the current form, as it severely limits the possibilities of 1 vs multi PvP in a blaster-BS. With improved tracking on blasterobats and/or not as severaly nerfed webbers I might be in favor of some of these changes.
Cheers, Xeno
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Kel Solaar
Soulbound.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 12:04:00 -
[2071]
Againt too in it's current form.
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Doc Reed
Loot.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 12:42:00 -
[2072]
Against
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ian perrins
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:33:00 -
[2073]
as specialist in minmatar ships this will devastate my charcter,wasting years of skill training i`m most definatley against the nano nerf.. go fix the lag instead MINMATAR HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED TO HELL LEAVE US ALONE!!!!
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night shiftstar
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Posted - 2008.11.01 07:57:00 -
[2074]
How do i get close enough to my target then, to use my blasters and my slow as hell (drone carrier nerfed, by the way) drones?
I need a MWD, im already loosing tanking and cap to use it.
Ill end up being blown to bits, wile my caldari opponent sits relaxed spaming local selling crap, making entire eve universe an imensse Jita, as im still out of range, IN MY POD!
I need as well my implant slots and rigs for other things, like Armore, that collaterals speed... Nanos i only use in unfavorable zones, to avoid fights. If a cadari wants to catch me, he should be able to loose is tanking to fit webs, as im not fitting tank coz im using nanos. Also, he should use their drone bay once in a wile, not only 4 mining! Light scout drones r fast and thers also web drones. Most of caldari ships have drone bay. Use them!
Doing something with nanos should b something like using cpu and power greed; if u use it, less resources for guns, or even removing tham from game would b bether than cutting of everything abt speed. Even bether would b creating counter mesures, like appends in nature.
If a species develops a determent advantage, the other should countermeasure it. U guys create the rouls, now deal with it.
Sincerely, the fox become faster than the rabbit... Natures reply: "Ups, lets shop of its legs"
Meh, if nerfing goes, at least increase my drones engagement speed, speed bonuses of some races speed specialized and the ability to shoot down missiles!
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Kazan Bho
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:55:00 -
[2075]
The whole nano-nerf is a massive overreaction to a small problem (that CCP caused ) that could easily be solved with a few gentle tweaks.
Sadly, the people at CCP who have invested so much time in developing the game and working with its community seem to have moved onto CCP's new project, and the new team in control of game development do not appear to have any respect for the game, its history or its player base.
I truly hope that CCP can pull something out of the bag to save this great game.
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Sar Ferredj
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:59:00 -
[2076]
Nuking an entire area of the game to solve 1 problem is not a viable tactic . . . I support this thread : FIND A BETTER ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM !
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 11:31:00 -
[2077]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 11:32:21 A mess of horrible changes nerfing everything in game, and breaking balance horribly in a number of places. I expected them to improve the changes after the first SISI iteration which was problematic - instead they just pushed the same stuff sans MWD reactivation delay, and went on wantonly nerfing stuff along the way.
Down with the crap.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.05 13:43:00 -
[2078]
You know...after 2000 replys against this nerf...70 pages on this thread, CCP Still bringing this crap onto TQ, shows they dont care about their subscribers at all. They dont care about this CSM crap ( guess it's a joke ) and just continue nerfing things they dont even know how to use.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 00:59:00 -
[2079]
Originally by: Stalina You know...after 2000 replys against this nerf...70 pages on this thread, CCP Still bringing this crap onto TQ, shows they dont care about their subscribers at all. They dont care about this CSM crap ( guess it's a joke ) and just continue nerfing things they dont even know how to use.
Coming from the people suggesting small guns on battleships, well... erm. What's the point?
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Kaker
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.06 06:52:00 -
[2080]
AGAINST NANO NERF Gimme My 8 hvy drone Thorax back ! |
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Takon Orlani
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.11.07 04:27:00 -
[2081]
I support this after seeing it put into effect on SiSi.
Using a pack of nails where a staple would have done the job.
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Rakaim
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.07 04:58:00 -
[2082]
I just wish nerfs would halt complelty. It's making my cry. I don't feel one way or the other about this particular nerf but I feel strongly for those who are losing a lot of training becuase of another silly nerf!!
I also am against the carrier nerf, and they're NOT overpowerd becuase spending 1.1B on a ship and repairers with crap loads of training time SHOULD be able to instantly redeploy! They've earned it!
But yeah, any nerfing is bad. I just feel bad for these players is all.
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Bambuu
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Posted - 2008.11.07 15:42:00 -
[2083]
Against.
Quote: Overkill is a slang term for the use of excessive force that seems to go much further than necessary to achieve its goal. For example, shooting an ant with a rocket launcher would be overkill. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overkill
Wake up. Needed a few small minor changes... not for you to wade in with a sledgehammer.
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Rubino
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.11.07 15:48:00 -
[2084]
Completely against this nerf!
There's no reason at all to nerf nano ships. They're just as vulnerable as any other ship. Most aren't cap stable, most have paper-thin shields/armor when compared to similarly priced ships, most require a great deal of skill to fly properly. There are also plenty of ways to defend against a nano ship. The fact that people choose not to set-up their ship/fleet to defend against a nano ship, then whinge like 3 year olds when they lose ships doesn't justify wiping out a legitimate tactic.
CCP have taken some of the diversity out of the game and have pushed us closer towards blob warfare. Completely bonkers.
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Keflin Geard
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.07 19:42:00 -
[2085]
Been on sisi and dont like what i see - this expansion is not a nano-nerf - its a fundamental reorientation of the game away from fluid fast-paced engagements that rely on position to a slower paced one where numbers are king.
It hurts solo and small gang roaming. It rewards static gate camping. It nerfs almost every ship in the game except assault frigs. and murders the most fun ships in the game û Hacs and recons. It creates ridiculous imbalances where expensive ships and highly skilled characters are now much less effective against small and cheap ships flown by low skill point characters.
The weapons stacking thing is good as are the server improvements û thatÆs a big price to pay for all the rest of the crap.
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Ameri Boi
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.07 20:08:00 -
[2086]
fully Support the petition against the nano nerf.
Either way, I got plans for new ship fittings if the nano nerf goes through, but would be nice if I didnt have to bother.
pew pew boom boom FLASH splat. |
Felysta Sandorn
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 15:06:00 -
[2087]
Being the largest and most supported topic in the forum, it's suprising that this is still going ahead...
.: A Vagabond's Requiem (Blog) :.
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Phoenus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.08 20:49:00 -
[2088]
Originally by: Keflin Geard Been on sisi and dont like what i see - this expansion is not a nano-nerf - its a fundamental reorientation of the game away from fluid fast-paced engagements that rely on position to a slower paced one where numbers are king.
It hurts solo and small gang roaming. It rewards static gate camping. It nerfs almost every ship in the game except assault frigs. and murders the most fun ships in the game û Hacs and recons. It creates ridiculous imbalances where expensive ships and highly skilled characters are now much less effective against small and cheap ships flown by low skill point characters.
The weapons stacking thing is good as are the server improvements û thatÆs a big price to pay for all the rest of the crap.
^ This.
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Sniper Wolf18
Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.11.08 20:59:00 -
[2089]
McVOTE
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ViRUS Pottage
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:50:00 -
[2090]
I APPROVE!!!!! _________
Originally by: CCP Taera
May I have your stuff?
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Jacques Benoit
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:00:00 -
[2091]
Edited by: Jacques Benoit on 08/11/2008 22:04:42 I'm in agreement, down with the nerf!
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Vitrael
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:38:00 -
[2092]
I support the anti "Speed Balance" movement.
These changes effect far too many fundamental aspects of gameplay to be viable, and I feel they will be damaging to the game overall.
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Lukeah
Relentless Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:43:00 -
[2093]
/against!
This patch hasn't been tested enough! Most people who are blindly supporting it haven't even been on Sisi to see how messed up things are over there. |
Anomie Camus
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:45:00 -
[2094]
Edited by: Anomie Camus on 08/11/2008 22:44:50 Against!!!
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Khamal Jolstien
Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:45:00 -
[2095]
Edited by: Khamal Jolstien on 08/11/2008 22:45:48
Originally by: Lukeah /against!
This patch hasn't been tested enough! Most people who are blindly supporting it haven't even been on Sisi to see how messed up things are over there.
I don't like nanos, but the way they've gone about this is absolutely insane. now all ships are nerfed, and it's almost miserable trying to play.
Edit to add following: Bottom line is, after testing it on SiSi, it's just not fun. THIS is where you should be focusing.
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Q'zelm Wyrnatori
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:52:00 -
[2096]
This thead has my full support
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MEM0
Battlestars
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:02:00 -
[2097]
Edited by: MEM0 on 08/11/2008 23:02:59 AGAINST
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Needa3
BURN EDEN Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:15:00 -
[2098]
Give me my Raven back CCP
This account is paid for and i don't want your blob encouraging nerfs.
My time skilling My time playing My corps time creating tactics
You ****ing it up with a "way to go blob" patch
Undo all your nerfs and start boosting things instead of pulling the carebear card again and again
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JorEl Tarasque
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:43:00 -
[2099]
Edited by: JorEl Tarasque on 08/11/2008 23:44:10 This is not an update to game play. This is a freakin "NERF FEAST".
So many people have spoken out against these changes and it all appears to be falling on deaf errors.
This is really beyond belief.
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jdok
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:54:00 -
[2100]
Edited by: jdok on 08/11/2008 23:54:54 Really bad timing ccp, with all the other great games coming out on the same day as your fail cascade, looks like I'll be droppin eve for a while.
This is no expansion, this is slapping your players in the face ___________________________
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Centra Spike
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.11.09 00:18:00 -
[2101]
Just read the patch notes...who wants my stuff?
You guys took a sandblaster to a soup cracker. ------
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Leyline777
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 00:18:00 -
[2102]
Edited by: Leyline777 on 09/11/2008 00:26:29 Edited by: Leyline777 on 09/11/2008 00:22:11
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Tzujeih Lookit all these worthless fuggen posters.
If you don't test it out, your opinion is worthless.
Since nobody can test it yet, you're all worthless.
Now who do you suppose such a huge nerf will benefit? Goonswarm and their blob tactics? Naaaawwww. Couldn't be.
Windjammer
heh true stuff... oh wait and we HAVE been testing it on sisi, but ccp is from iceland apparently they dont teach reading comprehension or customer service or both there...
In other news the link to warhammer online is here (great new content coming their way it looks like if you read that heavy metal article).
And ofc the obligatory Wrath of the Lich King and WoW Community site is Here. --
My sig doesn't fit and the sig limit is ******ed >>. (yes this is a "jetcan".. get over it) |
FVZA
Dark Dominion
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Posted - 2008.11.09 00:39:00 -
[2103]
Against ---------------------------------
Need a can flipped? Contact me in game. |
Sephrin
Minmatar Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.09 04:10:00 -
[2104]
This patch affects way to many aspects of the game to be well thought through. I try and cut CCP alot of slack and go on faith most of the time, but the release date of this expansion combined with the current SiSi revision does not make me feel like this expansion is going to do much of anything good for the eve universe.
I vote no
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Splaterbug
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Posted - 2008.11.09 04:46:00 -
[2105]
/signed
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Yon89
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 06:01:00 -
[2106]
i like my vaga ============= SIG SIG SIG |
Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 06:01:00 -
[2107]
I'm against the nerf, because it's so far reaching. I agree with it in principle - some ships shouldn't go as fast as they can currently go. However, I disagree with how this readjustment is being handled. Speed is related to everything, and therefore adjusting it completely (like is being done) means adjusting almost everything else. More time needs to be spent to find a correct, or even an agreeable answer.
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Gaelenus
Gallente Society of the Crimson Flame
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Posted - 2008.11.09 06:07:00 -
[2108]
And CCP still ignores this
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nukebie
The Establishment
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Posted - 2008.11.09 07:33:00 -
[2109]
against the blob encouraging nerf. Sigh... eve was fun... once.
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Xathytoz
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2008.11.09 07:40:00 -
[2110]
Yeeha, ofc I wanna trash my Deimps... respectively, with the upcoming changes even Zulupark's 6/4/5-Deimos with Rep bonus would've made more sense... :( CCP, STOP THIS MADNESS, speed-patch REALLY has not just to be postponed but to be REVISED!
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Don Shadow
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.09 08:26:00 -
[2111]
CCP, give me back my game!
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Meister75th
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:02:00 -
[2112]
Edited by: Meister75th on 09/11/2008 09:04:16 *Ahem*
1500 vs 230000?
Yeah.. Can I haz all ur stuffz!?
hello nano nerf, goodbye lamers!
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Thoruos
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:38:00 -
[2113]
/signed
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oni911b
Suns Of Korhal
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Posted - 2008.11.09 19:48:00 -
[2114]
If i recall we asked for hacs that cant go faster than inties not blobfests. Well that stacless io will be usefull to handle upcoming blobfest.
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Max Leadfoot
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 02:51:00 -
[2115]
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Milan Sovilj
Ergo Abstergo
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Posted - 2008.11.10 04:35:00 -
[2116]
A G A I N S T !
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Veryez
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Posted - 2008.11.10 07:01:00 -
[2117]
This fundamental change to combat is wrong in so many ways, I HATE the direction that eve is going. These combat changes are HORRIBLE, does CCP actually think that these changes are going to do ANYTHING other than promote blobs? CCP's history is not good, they ALWAYS overnerf something, then are forced to buff it 1 to 2 years later. The question is do you feel like waiting 2 years for CCP to correct this mistake?
The whole premise that small ships can fight large ships is flawed. Of course a battleship won't be able to solo an AF, so what will it do - join up with 10+ of his buddies. Sorry but this 'change' works against small gang and solo PvP - so much for our sandbox. Welcome to SWG II.
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ARGH69
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.11.10 07:25:00 -
[2118]
AGAINST!
all they had to do was increase the mass of cruisers so that they can no longer be made to go faster than interceptors and it would have solved the nano problem. instead they completely change the missile damage formula where a specialized cruise missile fired from a stealth bomber (a ship designed to alpha strike and destroy small ships in one volley) will no longer be able to alpha strike a frigate going 150 m/sec or faster, despite the cruise missiles going 7,500 m/sec towards it.
i will be forced to quit the game for good as i feel like my years of training in missiles will be useless in pvp and solo stealth bomber pilots will become obsolete.
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Savage Roar
Storm Thesis
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Posted - 2008.11.10 09:01:00 -
[2119]
/signed and yes, this is my sig. IBTL |
Teraos
Genos Occidere Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.10 11:05:00 -
[2120]
Against!
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Iva Soreass
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 12:23:00 -
[2121]
/supported
wow im so shocked that ccp are going ahead with this and just aint listening, oh wait no im not......SWG//Planetside All over again.
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Ag3nT 0rang3
DamageDealer Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.10 12:48:00 -
[2122]
Against!
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desintox
Square Dimensions
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Posted - 2008.11.10 14:36:00 -
[2123]
Edited by: desintox on 10/11/2008 14:38:29 They never listened to the community about the speednerf, they even referred to their blog post from July 2008 wich first announced the proposed changes to speed.
Nothing has been changed since that was announced... and CCP wanted player feedback?
LOOK AT THIS - 72 PAGES OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK - NOTHING .. NOTHING IS CHANGED ?
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Divine Infinity
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Posted - 2008.11.10 14:41:00 -
[2124]
AGAINST it completely. And yes, is really bad if you do that, only possibility for players is to quit if they are against that. And i think I might take this into account.
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Ruri Dant
Onorata Societa
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Posted - 2008.11.10 16:07:00 -
[2125]
NO NANO NERF
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Orar Ironfist
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.11.10 20:22:00 -
[2126]
against
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
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Posted - 2008.11.12 03:51:00 -
[2127]
Edited by: Verstal on 12/11/2008 03:56:11
/SIGNED for 3 accounts 9 total characters! As stated many times this is the worst patch in the history of Eve, these accounts are about to expire because of how much I hate these changes, everything is canceled.
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Quicktime
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:00:00 -
[2128]
/signed This is a great way to vote! The whole patch needs to be tossed out if you ask me, new ship is cool but not at the cost of the rest of the game, you can read my 10's of posts about how bad I think this patch is.
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Mother Commander
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:03:00 -
[2129]
Edited by: Mother Commander on 12/11/2008 04:03:11 /signed
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altish McN0tmymain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:42:00 -
[2130]
1 step forwards and 6 steps back, well done once again ccp. signed
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Vexara
Mentat Assassins
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:14:00 -
[2131]
/signed
This patch is making me so sad, feel like 2 years of my life enjoying eve have been wasted, so depressing to cancel my accounts. My interceptors are worthless and no fun to fly anymore, I fear trying anymore ships out of the pure pain that Eve is over as a fun game, please someone at CCP tell us that it's going to go back to the fun game it was just a few days ago. This patch fills me with hate for the people that changed the game I loved.
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Col Callahan
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:22:00 -
[2132]
I'm sorry, but your motion for a repeal of the nano nerf has fail, your stuff....my hanger...its a date _
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Mithrandere
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:38:00 -
[2133]
i vote. The recent nano nerf is foolish
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UrsaeMajoris
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:47:00 -
[2134]
/signed.
Quantum Suck has brought nothing but unsubscriptions and rage.
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Musashibou Benkei
Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:51:00 -
[2135]
/signed
You know there's something wrong when ships such as the thorax, deimos, vigilant and vindicator get MORE cap by equipping a MWD that is better than T1...................I think that guy who failed maths in class is working for CCP
Oh well, they reap what they sow
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Musashibou Benkei
Caldari Combined Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.13 14:05:00 -
[2136]
Edited by: Musashibou Benkei on 13/11/2008 14:08:01
Originally by: Col Callahan I'm sorry, but your motion for a repeal of the nano nerf has fail, your stuff....my hanger...its a date
I think this guy ought to be banned from forums for spamming "can i haz ur stuffz" everywhere people complain about the new patch.
It should fall under the category of trolling
edit: reported
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evePreD
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 16:01:00 -
[2137]
/signed
few months ago, CCP said "ok ok, we remove from our plan the speednerf we made. Know we stay under you'r suggestion on how to balance that."
And know we got EXACTLY the same speednerf without anychange (and some nice other nerf, likes missile which arent designed to makes full damage to ship bigger of 2 classes)
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Loyal Soldier
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Posted - 2008.11.13 16:39:00 -
[2138]
/signed
My ass hurts from being sexually assaulted
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Takashi Halamoto
THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.11.13 18:51:00 -
[2139]
against, too much too fast, Me? im just sitting here,
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shuckstar
Gallente Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2008.11.13 19:41:00 -
[2140]
LOL why carry on voting CCP dont listen and nerf is already in. Adapt or Die as plenty of you so fond of saying. 72 pages means nothing to ccp even if some of the points raised in this thread are valid.
o7
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Mikhale Romanov
Black Hats Delta
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Posted - 2008.11.14 05:35:00 -
[2141]
Rethink and redo IMO.. the current situation is unacceptable. Missiles as a whole require ATLEAST a gang of 4 to be somwhat effective.. and ONLY once the target is WEBBED AND PAINTED. ZOMG Communism! |
Jackspanoni
Black Hats Delta
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Posted - 2008.11.14 05:39:00 -
[2142]
Just Say No to Nano nerf!!
CCP doesn't care and are hostile to paying customers!!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=921235
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Avok
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.14 07:06:00 -
[2143]
Edited by: Avok on 14/11/2008 07:06:32 This nerf was necessary. Most of nano users i know are agree with that. |
Commander Leto
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:02:00 -
[2144]
It looks like I see a thread for the people who are FOR the nano nerf why don't you folks that are dead to me for it even coming into this thread to waste our time making a post, go fly your new crappy ships, that move at snails pace and dont do any damage, and dont bother posting in the thread that the majority is for reversing this patch NOT an expansion which we begged them not to do, after were told in the live dev blog our opinion doesn't matter.
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SoD0EnGine
The Secret Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:40:00 -
[2145]
against
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Spc One
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Posted - 2008.11.16 00:16:00 -
[2146]
Edited by: Spc One on 16/11/2008 00:20:05
I am against this speed reduction. At least base ship speed should be like it was. Vindicator now has a base speed of 105m/s.
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:52:00 -
[2147]
Edited by: Stalina on 16/11/2008 16:53:04
Originally by: Col Callahan I'm sorry, but your motion for a repeal of the nano nerf has fail, your stuff....my hanger...its a date
Funny, at the same time you are complaining about changes that came with the nerf. Enjoy your missiles now ?
Originally by: Avok Edited by: Avok on 14/11/2008 07:06:32 This nerf was necessary. Most of nano users i know are agree with that.
You too, haha have fun with missiles. |
SeFoN
The Secret Fleet The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 15:44:00 -
[2148]
AGANIST!!!
I KNOW TOO LATE BUT THIS SUCKS!!!! get back eve what it was before this patch !!
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NinjaTurtle
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.18 17:08:00 -
[2149]
Edited by: NinjaTurtle on 18/11/2008 17:09:46 AGAINST. I dont even have to play this patch to see that its the farthest thing from a good idea possible. Remember the days where good things weren't messed around with? What happened? I'd rather go back to playing Gemini or Red Moon Rising than this crap. /signed Owing to lack of Eve-related content, forums removed. If you would like to discuss this, please flame me. |
General Zox
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Posted - 2008.11.18 17:29:00 -
[2150]
Edited by: General Zox on 18/11/2008 17:36:37 lets play eve . not world of evecraft |
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hijk14
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Posted - 2008.11.19 19:17:00 -
[2151]
THIS SUCKS
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William Caldon
Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.11.22 05:31:00 -
[2152]
Whaaa, whaaaaa whaaaaaa, my speed is no longer my Iwin button whaaa whaaa whaa.
Its balanced. Quit whining.
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Hammerlock
Caldari Mentat Assassins
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Posted - 2008.11.22 08:29:00 -
[2153]
Originally by: William Caldon Whaaa, whaaaaa whaaaaaa, my speed is no longer my Iwin button whaaa whaaa whaa.
Its balanced. Quit whining.
Thanks for the free bump idiot.
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xxxskullnbonexxx
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:26:00 -
[2154]
against the nerf
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Jadrut
The Secret Fleet The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:31:00 -
[2155]
back to red moon rising
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Darth Vaders
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 11:15:00 -
[2156]
Where is the thumbs down button? |
Bobinoo
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Posted - 2008.11.24 01:30:00 -
[2157]
/signed
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Syvenor Suslemo
The Secret Fleet The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:24:00 -
[2158]
Edited by: Syvenor Suslemo on 24/11/2008 16:24:59 THIS IS A UTTER BULL**IT return the NANO or you will forever suck!!!
Lemo
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Jalif
Scorpion's Sting
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:06:00 -
[2159]
Edited by: Jalif on 24/11/2008 21:06:45 Against
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SPQRMocton
Minmatar Calmarr Technologies
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Posted - 2008.11.26 13:04:00 -
[2160]
FOR YEA NANO NERF BOO WHINERS if any of you had played for any amount of time you would know that the nano nerf isn't a nerf, never used to be able to make cruisers 8000 ms. Just a return to common sense Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun |
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.26 13:58:00 -
[2161]
Originally by: SPQRMocton FOR YEA NANO NERF BOO WHINERS
Boo whiners? Does that include all the whiners that did not have cheese to their "nanos are overpoweredomgwtfbbq!!!1111oneoneone"-whine?
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Nobues
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.26 15:53:00 -
[2162]
Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 08/11/2008 15:08:10 Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 26/07/2008 12:16:16 Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 26/07/2008 11:38:36 This is the closest we have for a voting tool, so please give your support here if you are AGAINST the nano nerf detailed in the recent dev blog.
IF YOU SUPPORT THIS THREAD, PLEASE CHECK THE 'SUPPORT' CHECKBOX WHEN REPLYING, YOU CANNOT JUST REPLY OR YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT!
UPDATE: The patch is being released on Tuesday 11/11/2008, despite this being the most supported topic in the whole forum! VOICE YOUR OUTRAGE, PEOPLE!
Patchnotes are available here...
having the support of maybe 3k players with a player base of around 250k doesn't mean you have the support of the while forum, just means you have the support of all the forum *****s.
I for one support the the nano nerf, if you have to use speed and kiddy type play style to win a fight I feel sorry for you. Stop your ship and slug it out like a man.
Webhosting, teamspeak and Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info |
IxenBlaze
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.26 18:01:00 -
[2163]
/signed
This isnt a nano nerf, its a nano change. If you read what nanofibers do, they dont say anything about giving a speed bonus. Make the nano nerf an actual nerf meaning REDUCTION!. Warp disruptors disrupt navigation systems that allow you to pinpoint a warp exit point therefore making it impossible to warp. MWDs do not require pinpointing, but they give a massive speed boost, i dont see why warp jammers should disable a speed boost module. Nerf the nano***s and maybe nerf MWD speed boost but these changes just dont make any sense whatsoever. I think a large portion of the playerbase wanted a nano nerf but is all this really necessary?
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Sybern
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Posted - 2008.11.27 19:43:00 -
[2164]
Quote: having the support of maybe 3k players with a player base of around 250k doesn't mean you have the support of the while forum, just means you have the support of all the forum *****s.
I for one support the the nano nerf, if you have to use speed and kiddy type play style to win a fight I feel sorry for you. Stop your ship and slug it out like a man.
You're kidding right? I mean, you seriously enjoy that style of play? No strategy, no interaction, just click orbit, turn on guns, sit back and watch? Do you realize that that style of play is exactly like playing fscking pokemon? Oh, look at the lvl 30 Vexor I have. I just ran into a lvl 29 Stabber! Vexor! I choose you! *walks away while they are fighting* *comes back* !!! You're Vexor has evolved into a Megathron! *logs off thinking about how awesome a pilot he is*
ffs man, if you're going to play a game, fscking play it. Get yourself into a pre-patch nano ship. Now go out there and try to not get blown up. Try to last 1 day. I think you'll find out that it wasn't the speed that kept us alive. It was us interacting with our ship, paying attention 100% of the time, knowing exactly what our job was within the fleet, and the communications between your fellow nano pilots in the gang.
I'm not saying I disagree 100% with the nano nerf. Being able to build a 25 km/s vagabond was a bit excessive. But, then again we spent billions to make that happen.
What CCP has done has completely shut down any sort of speed build. And thus, shut down any sort of strategy beyond "you stand here, you stand here, now start shooting, blob moar". This also means the fun part of eve is also gone. If I wanted to play pokemon, I would have played pokemon.
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Mother Commander
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Posted - 2008.11.28 06:42:00 -
[2165]
Originally by: Nobues
Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 08/11/2008 15:08:10 Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 26/07/2008 12:16:16 Edited by: Felysta Sandorn on 26/07/2008 11:38:36 This is the closest we have for a voting tool, so please give your support here if you are AGAINST the nano nerf detailed in the recent dev blog.
IF YOU SUPPORT THIS THREAD, PLEASE CHECK THE 'SUPPORT' CHECKBOX WHEN REPLYING, YOU CANNOT JUST REPLY OR YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT!
UPDATE: The patch is being released on Tuesday 11/11/2008, despite this being the most supported topic in the whole forum! VOICE YOUR OUTRAGE, PEOPLE!
Patchnotes are available here...
having the support of maybe 3k players with a player base of around 250k doesn't mean you have the support of the while forum, just means you have the support of all the forum *****s.
I for one support the the nano nerf, if you have to use speed and kiddy type play style to win a fight I feel sorry for you. Stop your ship and slug it out like a man.
Face it man, if you knew how to fight you wouldn't say this crap, thanks for the free bump though. I love it when tards learn to type...
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SSgt Sniper
MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.11.28 10:27:00 -
[2166]
though it may be too late, I cast my vote against these changes. I feel just violated after the change, too far too much too quickly. Just no. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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Djan Anaplian
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:25:00 -
[2167]
Gotta love the fact that it has gone to over 70 pages and they just don't give a ****.
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Red Thanatos
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:26:00 -
[2168]
Edited by: Red Thanatos on 29/11/2008 18:26:47 I think the funniest thing about this "expansion" is, it's not an expansion, it's just a patch of nerfs, and a ship or two. Coming back to this after 8 months, it's a tad disheartening. I'm not the type of guy who will take a punch if I can just step to the side and punch back. That's why nanoships fit me so well. Well, this has really killed most of the fun in the game for me. I might have to think again about staying.
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Felysta Sandorn
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.05 02:15:00 -
[2169]
Originally by: Djan Anaplian Gotta love the fact that it has gone to over 70 pages and they just don't give a ****.
This... Suprising really how CCP just don't give a ****, probably because there are a few devs that can't fit a Vagabond properly and cried about it.
The userbase wants: No nano nerf CCP gives: Nano nerf
Fail.
.: A Vagabond's Requiem (Blog) :.
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Vexara
Caldari Mentat Assassins
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Posted - 2008.12.17 20:21:00 -
[2170]
Edited by: Vexara on 17/12/2008 20:22:30
Originally by: LaVista Vista I think it's tragic how CCP is talking about fixing the effect, without even MENTIONING the cause.
It was obvious that nano needed nerfing, as speeds over 7-8k breaks the physics engine.
But I WILL remind you all, the dev blog was just an IDEA, for which they wanted feedback. So it's not even sure, that it will happen.
Well it happened and you are in the CSM now, can anything be done to get the speed of back to the way it was? Is CCP just going to let us all quit playing? Seems so I am on a 5 day free pass and came to check to see if any hope exists to get this changed back?
I have little to no 0 hope for good news about this issue, but it would be great to hear from CSM about the chances of someone at CCP coming to their senses.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.17 20:51:00 -
[2171]
The great Speed Nerf is really heart breaking.
They basically reduced the number of tactics available for PvP. And completely gutted a few great ways to have fun in EVE.
I want the old devs back. These new people aren't the ones who made the game. They are not hardcore, they are mainstream
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Vexara
Caldari Mentat Assassins
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Posted - 2008.12.17 21:33:00 -
[2172]
Edited by: Vexara on 17/12/2008 21:34:32
Originally by: Ephemeron The great Speed Nerf is really heart breaking.
They basically reduced the number of tactics available for PvP. And completely gutted a few great ways to have fun in EVE.
I want the old devs back. These new people aren't the ones who made the game. They are not hardcore, they are mainstream
Agree and have stated these same words many many times myself, I kept asking myself why all the bad choices all of a sudden, then after digging into all the changes at CCP it all came clear, those guys aren't working on the game anymore just the drunken jackasses you see in the fanfest videos. Oh well maybe they can keep duping people into paying for eve until it is dumped for the next game, I am always surprised how dumb the customers of game products can be.
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Dipluz
Notorious Legion Bring Out Ya Dead
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Posted - 2008.12.19 13:15:00 -
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/SIGNED CCP DONT GIVE THE CAREBEARS MORE!
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Tagaloa
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tagaloa on 30/12/2008 20:16:42 AGAINST!
Nano ship weren't invulnerable and the ppl complaining about Nano's just weren't thinking tactically enough to fight effectively against them. I ran in nothing but nano gangs for 2 years and just for a change of pace we set up anti nano gangs to totally pwn any nano gang we came across. If the skill and mods were too expensive, then get out and make the isk to buy them then. Join an alliance that can help you out, dont b***h and ruin the game for the people who have been playing for years and built up their wallets to be able to enjoy flying nano ships. I bet a majority of the people who are complaining are casual EVE players who wont be around in two months. Then all that will be left are the people like myself who have been playing for years. The ones who have spent lots of isk and countless hours to enjoy this type of gameplay.
<---where did my alliance ticker go?
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dartthh deatthh
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Posted - 2009.01.01 21:42:00 -
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Crap, thisgame is turning into Star Wars Galaxies NERF NIGHTMARE 2009 lol I am totally against Nano Nerf. The answer is ALWAYS the SSAAMMEE in MMO Games, rather than being a Profeessional World Class Paltform what CCP seems to brag about AALLL the time they are just taking the LAME, WEAK, I CANT DO, way out shortcut and creating a huge Nerf and creating MASSIVE LAG in Game performance with a Useless NERF which does not solve problem anyways it just creates bigger problems to mask their inability to create a Talanted, Creative solution. CCP you claim to be a World Classs Inovative Team Of Professionals, isntead you just like the rest of the has beens out there. Just a thought from a LOYAL Customer :+)
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Matarella
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:19:00 -
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I'm AGAINST the nano nerf. Give webs and disruptors alternative bonuses, and all be ok.
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Sedious Bloke
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Posted - 2009.01.10 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sedious Bloke on 10/01/2009 03:08:35 All the nano ***** ships were hella hella ghey and this needed to be done badly. However the new system is totally ****ed and needs to be fixed even more badly
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TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.10 03:17:00 -
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The thing that made 0.0 mildy fun is gone. |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.01.10 04:22:00 -
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I'll put aside by bias against the recent patches to say this:
I roam in Delve as a hostile to BoB and their pets who live there. I have lived in that region for more than 1 year. I represent the "small scale" pvper. I take notice of what's going on, who else is roaming, what fleets are moving.
I in the last months, it feels like I'm the only hostile in the entire region - who's not part of a blob. I realize that's not true, sometimes I come across other small fighters hostile to BoB. But there are so few of those that it's easy to feel like small scale PvP is dead.
It wasn't always this way. I remember there were more people roaming, I lived thru these changes so I can feel things change. Every patch, it gets worse.
Blob wars still doing fine tho. Blobs just keep getting bigger and juicier |
Qinglong Zhong
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Blob wars still doing fine tho. Blobs just keep getting bigger and juicier
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Pius Punitorea
42 Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:25:00 -
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Djan Anaplian
Gallente Chavs With Guns
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Posted - 2009.01.17 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sedious Bloke Edited by: Sedious Bloke on 10/01/2009 03:08:35 All the nano ***** ships were hella hella ghey and this needed to be done badly. However the new system is totally ****ed and needs to be fixed even more badly
And your a hella ******. I am a raving homosexual. |
JMM0520
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:13:00 -
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signed
"even more badly.." ftw |
Efrim Black
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hammerlock
just play this less fun version of Eve to your hearts content.
It's not even a nerf. They are simply tweaking stats.
If you're that fed up, can I have your stuff? |
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